RSA oppose flag change

Written By: - Date published: 12:55 pm, April 13th, 2015 - 63 comments
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Key’s proposal to change the flag is an expensive and unnecessary circus, and this should be the end of it:

Flag change opposed by RSA

The Royal New Zealand RSA says it will fervently oppose changing the New Zealand flag when it appears before a parliamentary committee considering the issue.

The RSA would prefer the centenary of Anzac Day be commemorated this month without the distraction of the flag issue.
“For many who’ve served, our current flag is symbolic of the sacred oath they made to protect the peace and security of New Zealand.

“Our men and women made terrible personal sacrifices and we honour their courage and commitment every time our current flag is flown.”

Let’s spend that $26 Million on something else then shall we. Or is a supposedly conservative government going to oppose the open and “fervent” wishes of the RSA?

63 comments on “RSA oppose flag change”

  1. esoteric pineapples 1

    I’m with the RSA on this one – but it would be great to have a new national anthem although when it is sung in Maori it doesn’t sound so bad

  2. shorts 2

    The RSA’s argument is the weakest one put forward I reckon – the flag isn’t what or why people went to war, it is but the banner they fought and died under

    The timing of this part of the process isn’t ideal from their perspective… that is all

    Personally I’m up for a new flag but have no faith in Key’s govt and his “experts” to come up with anything other than a waste of money

    • Lanthanide 2.1

      +1, although it seems highly likely it’ll be Kyle Lockwood’s flag we’ll be voting on: http://www.silverfernflag.org/proposal.html

      • shorts 2.1.1

        If I was a sports team manager I’d happily adopt that design for our banner… for a country I’m not so sure, hence my concerns at the people in this process as I want serious debate not some “at the end of the day” economic/sports think

      • Naturesong 2.1.2

        I don’t mind those actually.

        And may vote for something like that once we become a republic.
        But, until we shed the monarchy as our head of state, the Union Jack should remain as a reminder.

        Changing the symbol of the country to represent greater independence, while at the same time binding our future to the follies of the US and UK just doesn’t sit right with me.

        • Maui 2.1.2.1

          There is something commercial and false about that flag that doesn’t seem right to me. Personally I like this flag by Mike Davison much more and it is has more of a cultural element: http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1391130603/689/9671689_600x400.jpg

          • infused 2.1.2.1.1

            That is horrid.

          • Naturesong 2.1.2.1.2

            I like that flag.

            But as art, not the symbol of NZ. Irrespective of its artistic merit, it has a corruption of the Union Jack.
            I suspect there’d be a significant number of people in the UK who would object, and pretty strenuously too.

            • Maui 2.1.2.1.2.1

              Sorry didn’t know the Union Jack was sacrosanct or that NZ still went off fighting wars for Britain. Considering there’s nothing Maori about the current flag, I think we would do well to partnership with Maori on the new flag and show in graphical form that the country was formed by two predominant cultures.

              • The Union Jack is sacrosanct to an overwhelming majority of UK citizens – I have no study to link to, only my experiences living in the UK for several years – I’d bet money I’m right though.

                And we have joined the UK in all major theatres of war since we were able to muster a force.

              • Pasupial

                Maui, you; “didn’t know the Union Jack was sacrosanct or that NZ still went off fighting wars for Britain”. Consider the armed forces oath of allegiance:

                “I, [name], solemnly promise and swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to our Sovereign Lady the Queen, Her heirs and successors, and that I will faithfully serve in the New Zealand Naval Forces/the New Zealand Army/the Royal New Zealand Air Force [Delete the Services that are not appropriate], and that I will loyally observe and obey all orders of Her Majesty, Her heirs and successors, and of the officers set over me, until I shall be lawfully discharged. So help me God.”

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_Allegiance_%28New_Zealand%29#Armed_forces_Oath

                The army website calls that a; “solemn oath of allegiance to the Crown and New Zealand Government”, but I can’t see a word about the NZ government in there. The army’s allegiance is to; the Queen, as relayed through the instructions of their Commander in Chief, the Governor General (presently ex-head of the GCSB).

                It is telling that the head of the NZ defense forces only has a 3-star rank, allowing us to coordinate seamlessly with HM’s other minions of empire.

                • Maui

                  Judging by that we’re still closely wedded to the Mother country, which is a bit frightening. I would say we’re a bit frightened to make a change to these historical things. I would much rather we pledged an oath to the Maori King over the Queen (even though I’m not Maori) .

                • dukeofurl

                  Its a bit of ceremonial fluff.

                  Its like a lot of the stuff around the British crown, only dates back to the edwardian era and was made up to compete in the ‘arms race of ceremonial’ which surrounded Europes royal families.

                  Any fool can see His/Her majesty hasnt been giving any orders to the military since someone wacked Richard III in the back of the head.

        • Lanthanide 2.1.2.2

          Canada is part of the commonwealth and has the Queen as head of state, yet don’t have the jack on their flag.

          • Naturesong 2.1.2.2.1

            That’s true. Doesn’t mean we should though.

            • Lanthanide 2.1.2.2.1.1

              Canada’s flag is amongst the most recognised in the world.

              Our flag is often confused with Australia’s.

              • Yes, Canada’s flag is awesome. I don’t think that’s in dispute.

                I also don’t think that the ignorance of some non-NZers is reason enough to change our flag.

                • McFlock

                  Our flag is like australia’s but with more detail and refinement.
                  Quite appropriate, really 🙂

                • Tracey

                  How does the unionjack reflect new zealand?

                  We stopped singing God save the queen and the world didn’t end?

                  • Our head of state is the Queen.

                    I’d love the Union Jack off our flag. And once we fire the Queen we should get it done.

                    • tracey

                      I know who our head of state is. A figurehead position which didn’t stop us removing her anthem. Canada hasn’t fired the Queen. It isn’t a pre requisite. Even RSA still gets to play games with the Commonwealth.

        • Draco T Bastard 2.1.2.3

          But, until we shed the monarchy as our head of state, the Union Jack should remain as a reminder.

          Yep and maybe that’s why Key wants to change the flag – in the hopes that we’ll forget that we’re not an independent nation.

        • Wynston 2.1.2.4

          “But, until we shed the monarchy as our head of state, the Union Jack should remain as a reminder.”

          +1

      • swordfish 2.1.3

        Lockwood’s design lacks balance, simplicity and a central motif. It’s like two different flags stitched together. Represents a half-way house where we want a new flag but can’t quite bring ourselves to entirely get rid of the old one.

        As I said on Bowalley Road a while back, “Put your hand over the southern cross and Lockwood’s design looks half decent (though perhaps just slightly over the top). Take your hand away and it’s little more than a dog’s dinner.”

      • infused 2.1.4

        Haven’t actually seen those before. 1st one isn’t bad.

    • Tracey 2.2

      Agree. I am also up for a new flag but not for $26m and not as a political weapon.

  3. Lanthanide 3

    “and this should be the end of it”

    Sorry, I don’t see why it should be the RSA that get to decide if we change our flag or not.

    That’s why we’re having a referendum, remember?

    • weka 3.1

      We’re having a referendum because John Key needs some positive distraction in his third term. No other reason.

      • Lanthanide 3.1.1

        No, we’re having a referendum because for any individual or group to unilaterally change the flag (or not change it) is simply against the way that NZ goes about these sorts of things.

        The fact that we’re having a discussion about changing the flag is because John Key needs some positive distraction in his third term.

  4. de Withiel 4

    On Planet Key, it’s all about corporate branding. Key’s ‘vision’, if that’s what you can call it, has nothing to do with sovereignty or who we are or what we aspire to be; but it does have an awful lot to do with the corporate sector. I’ve written a post on the the concept of flags in New Zealand/Aotearoa, looking at it from a design historical perspective: http://nzdesignhistory.blogspot.co.nz/2014/12/designs-on-flags.html.

    • Draco T Bastard 4.1

      if that’s what you can call it, has nothing to do with sovereignty or who we are or what we aspire to be

      Key’s presently making sure that the only people who have a say in any of that are US corporations.

  5. swordfish 5

    Poll breakdowns suggest younger New Zealanders, interestingly enough, express the greatest opposition to a flag change. It’s certainly not just the RSA generation.

    • miravox 5.1

      Paradoxically that’s probably because Key has played up patriotism – producing a greater recognition and sense of pride in the current flag. I reckon today’s younger generation are less likely to mix up the NZ and Australian flags than Key’s generation were at the same age.

      As for the reason for change being mistaken identification…
      http://www.quora.com/What-countries-have-very-similar-looking-flags

    • Chooky 5.2

      +100 swordfish…lets go with what young New Zealanders want!….and it isn’t wanker Key’s flag!…especially at $23 million

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_flag_debate

      (Interestingly enough the research paper showing young NZers want to keep the flag and oppose changing it seems to have disappeared (footnote 52 :www.researchnz.com. Research New Zealand. 5 November 2014. Retrieved 8 February 2015.)

      …the money should be going for the homeless into into keeping, upgrading and building more State housing.

      Key was a welfare State house boy….he and his mother lived in a house provided by generations of New Zealand taxpayers…. he should have more loyalty to the poor …he should get his New Zealand values and priorities sorted

      Leave the flag as is!…as the RSA wants

  6. Murray Rawshark 6

    I cannot get excited about flags. If I flew one, it would be the Tino Rangatiratanga flag. Otherwise, I just don’t care for symbols of manufactured nationalism.

    • Tracey 6.1

      I’m with you Murray. A flag is a piece of cloth. “Flags” have been used as symbols of nationalism and nationalism is a very destructive force.

      http://blog.prints.co.nz/2012/03/hundertwassers-alternative-nz-flag.html

      “Proposal for a second flag for New Zealand, which represents an unmistakeable identity that combines New Zealand’s age old heritage of nature and the heritage of Maori history with the growing future of a new nation.

      The flag symbolizes old and new, history and progress at the same time. This flag symbolizes peace, but not weakness, but the strength of creation moving forward in a courageous engagement.

      At a moment in human history with increasing environmental concern New Zealand gives an example to the world because this flag represents peace with nature, human development in harmony with nature. It is the sign of understanding with this everlasting powerful ally. This flag is a symbol of a new age, a big step towards mankind’s responsible evolution.

      The fern’s green spiral on white or silver ground starts at the black flagstaff lead taking up the whole width of the flag first decreasing gradually, dividing the flag into diagonal halves, then curling up in to a spiral at the other end of the flag.

      The spiral unfurling in a rectangular flag is the image of union of nature and technology, of round and square.

      It seems as if the flag contains another flag advancing, streaming, unrolling and opening up in a strange and mysterious wind, a flag which is transformed into another dimension.

      It is an image of how matter concentrates and turns into life. Quantity is transformed into energy. It is a symbol of the never ending cycle, a symbol for ever renewing life.

      The green is carefully composed of the special earthy deep, lush and fertile greens of the New Zealand bush and farmlands, not occurring anywhere else. This green is the wealth of New Zealand.

      The Maori spiral and the sprouting fern symbol combined, the koru, already represent New Zealand in many fields like for instance the Air New Zealand sign.

      This flag is unique and cannot be mistaken for any other flag, as is the case with the present flags of New Zealand and Australia, and the flags of many other nations. A recent example of how a symbol was accepted to represent a country with an identity quest similar to that of New Zealand is the maple leaf in the flag of Canada. In Australia too, efforts are undertaken to find a new flag. Let New Zealand be first.

      May New Zealand be part of the nations with a beautiful and meaningful and unique flag.

      It is an intelligent flag full of joy, it is indigenous, it contains a message, it has a purpose, it is different. It holds the mystery of this remote land. It is a flag to love because it is special, a flag to identify with.

      Like a fern sprouting, like a wave of nature, like a flag unfolding.

      It is a proud symbol of this nation, representing Maori history, representing the green land and the long white cloud, a true messenger of New Zealand to the world, independent, strong, invincible, full of life and energy, unmistakably New Zealand, a flag of future and age old identity.

      This second flag for New Zealand is in no way designed to detract from the Union Jack, the Southern Cross, the British monarchy, the Commonwealth, the British heritage and New Zealand traditions. The fern flag will fly happily together with the official Blue Ensign. It signals that New Zealand has come of age and qualifies as an equal among the nations of this Earth. The koru ensign symbolizes the love of New Zealanders for their country.
      Bay of Islands, the 18th of March 1983.”

    • Pasupial 6.2

      All this talk of flags brings this skit to mind (from; Eddie Izzard’s Dress to Kill, show):

  7. Robert owen 7

    Fern? What is special about a fern symbol of the Bush . we would clear it and have a dairty farm on as quick as a flash
    We should have a flag with a. deficating cow on it . much more representative

  8. Wynston 8

    I would have have real difficulty with a flag that includes the “silver fern”.
    1. It depicts the underside of a frond from a tree fern that doesn’t even naturally occur throughout the whole country (the ponga [silver fern] occurs throughout most of North Island, but extends only as far south as the Catlins in the east and about Karamea on the west coast of South Island).
    2. Its strong resemblance to a white feather (apt as that may be given the current political rush to sell off our country to overseas entertainers their ilk, and foreign-owned farming and mining companies).

    Lke the RSA, Labour, NZ First et al, I also have a real problem with the proposed referenda. Surely the first should determine whether the majority of people want a new flag. If they do, then we should move to deciding on one.

    • Rob 8.1

      I agree
      Shouldn’t we first as a country decide if we want a new flag then go though a process to choose one if we as a nation make that choice?
      Why do we let some “foreigner” who is here as a puppet get to make the call on this??

    • dukeofurl 8.2

      The silver fern has been an ’emblem’ representing NZ for a very long time. Long before the stylised kiwi in fact.

      I would say its our oldest recognised symbol

      If we we were starting from scratch I would adopt the penguin as our national bird

  9. vto 9

    The flag should not be influenced by war deeds and misdeeds. War and its misery is not to have such an upfront place in society. War and its misery is to be remembered for sure but that is the end of it.

    The RSA has it completely and utterly backwards.

  10. les 10

    the Silver Fern flag looks like the remains of a fish dinner.

  11. millsy 11

    If the flag has to change then the United Tribes flag is the only alternative.

    From 1835 to 1840 this country was technically an independent nation and that was the flag.

    • dukeofurl 11.1

      having a flag doesnt make you an independent nation. In fact the very statement of United tribes is a misnomer.
      Then there is the idea of flag was a foreign concept to maori then , and since. Which is why a shipping company flag was just a bit of bunting then and now.

      • millsy 11.1.1

        For all intents and purposes the United Tribes of New Zealand was technically a national government, and was intended to meet each year to make laws for New Zealand.

        Of course, it never really panned out that way.

      • Charles 11.1.2

        Hey, dukeofurl, Is part of the game here saying things that are clearly historically inaccurate, feigning ignorance for effect… and maybe even things that are racist? Oh right yeah, it’s the internet. Almost had me there, you pesky little cyberpixie.

  12. RedBaronCV 12

    I just want to tick a box saying – “stop wasting our money on your ego trip JK”

  13. Tom Barker 13

    I wouldn’t vote National with a shotgun at my back, but I totally support changing our dumb, craven, embarrassing flag. A fine move by Mr Key, and he deserves the support and respect of every left winger for initiating it.

  14. John Shears 14

    I agree with the RSA and wish them well in their submission.
    For the rest of you , forget the change of the New Zealand Ensign/Flag it is a John Key
    diversion and is a complete waste of money.
    Our energy should be directed at getting rid of John Key and his Government.

  15. Charles 15

    $26 million spent on re-instating the Unites tribes Federation Flag would be money well spent.
    An act even more ground-breaking (in the nation-building sense) than legalising gay marriage.
    It would detract nothing whatsoever from the deaths of those who fought in previous wars, in fact, it would elevate and amplify their sacrifice.

    The only problem I see in selling the idea would be that, as I understand it, the meaning the flag has contradicts the current attitude of “let me take anything I want from anyone I can” that is prevalent in mainstream culture. The United Tribes Flag says: Leave people alone to mind their own business, and let them trade freely. You’d think that’d be the most positive description of “the free market” by free market proponents possible, but in reality we all know what free market really means. In addition to that, Maori have their own meanings for the flag and older inter-tribal issues that might hamper an easy switch. We all have to make a compromise.

    To go some way to solving that, I’d suggest NZ have two flags: the one mentioned above, and the Maori Sovereignty flag. Even if two flags cost $52 million, it wouldn’t be money wasted. You could spend that much building a developmental America’s Cup boat, that never raced. It’s not at all unusual to have two flags for a country. Switzerland has considerably more and no one complains it’s too complicated.

    From the options, the United Tribes flag comes closest to what everyone wants for the present, and it already exists. Maori would get a validation not seen since 1835, Whities would get a validation of their current state, minus their potentially nasty extremes, and no one has to go about sporting the white feather of cowardice on a black anarchist’s flag.

    • Wynston 15.1

      Interestingly the “United Tribes” flag was actually one used by the Church Missionary Society. It was then chosen to be New Zealand’s flag by the chiefs of the far north of North Island who gathered at Waitangi on 20 March 1834. http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/zoomify/33966/united-tribes-flag-original-flag

      The ones seen these days almost without fail depart from the original in that the black borders of the the smaller St George’s cross in the upper quarter have been replaced with white.
      A still further variant excluding the white borders was adopted as the house flag of the Shaw, Savill and Albion shipping company. Given that we are selling so much of the country to overseas interests though it might well be appropriate that the latter form be adopted by us!

  16. Ian 16

    Leave the flag alone.I fully support the RSA.

  17. Shane 17

    How opposed were the RSA to changing the National Anthem from God Save the Queen/King to God defend New Zealand in 1976 I wonder? To throw their argument back at them’ – Oh but NZers fought and died under that ‘God Save the Queen/King’ Anthem’ – we shouldn’t change it! How opposed were they in the 1970’s? We don’t need the Union Jack on our flag – why should be be reminded and call ‘sacrosanct’ a flag for a nation that was the cause of so many young NZ and Australian lives at Gallipoli being lost because of the British ineptitude at leadership? The soldiers at Gallipoli and throughout the First and Second World wars fought for independence – for NZ to be recognised as an independent nation – a country in our own rights – not to remain a puppet of the pathetic British leadership that sent so may young men to their deaths

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    Just when I was thinking that Palmerston North's mayoral race (which includes a convicted child molester / public wanker and a convicted child beater) was the worst in the country, Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere opened his mouth:Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere is being slammed for using the words "sieg ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Index of Power Update, 2018-19: China #2
    We reprint below an article from the excellent website the Economics of Imperialism by Tony Norfield This is an update of the statistics for my Index of Power, using data for 2018-19 and discussing what a country’s ranking reflects. The major change is that China’s rank has shifted up and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • Climate Change: A history lesson
    Why is New Zealand climate change policy so crap? The Herald this morning has a long article on the twists and turns of climate change policy in New Zealand [paywalled / depaywall script], which shows where we've been. The short version is that the government first began worrying about this ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • What the All Blacks Mean to Us
    The All Blacks have been, for more than a century, arguably the most successful International sports team in the world. But they are more than that; even for those Kiwis who are immune to the charms of rugby (and there are more than a few), the All Blacks are ambassadors ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    6 days ago
  • No one is born into the wrong body
    A short and incredibly powerful speech from a young lesbian woman. No one is born in the wrong body. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    7 days ago
  • Contempt
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Covering up the cover-up
    Yesterday NZDF officials were put on the stand about the lies they had told over Operation Burnham, making implausible claims that it was all a big mistake. But along the way, we learned they had already been put on the spot about it by a previous Defence Minister, who had ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Not as important as they think they are
    Farmers have been whining a lot lately, about the methane targets in the Zero Carbon Bill, about Canterbury's proposed nitrogen limits, and about the government's new proposals to stop them from shitting in our lakes and rivers. These policies are "throwing farmers under the tractor", they will force farmers off ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Behind Every Good Woman Should Stand – Another Good Woman.
    Alone, Alone, All, All, Alone: To argue that the Prime Minister is the victim of her advisers’ failure to keep her informed may offer Jacinda some measure of exoneration – but only at the cost of casting her as a hopeless political ingénue. A star-dusted muppet, whose only purpose is to ...
    1 week ago
  • Poor quality, poorly educated kiddie ‘Journalists’ spreading fake news
    In times of hysteria about the “World coming to an end” and “rising sea levels” so-called ‘Journalists’ who can barely spell words longer than four letters are having a ball! Though the majority of the Public have worked out that manmade climate change is nothing short of pseudo-science, and the ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    1 week ago
  • Chris Trotter on the BFD
    I don't want to give pblicity to certain parts of the internet that are better left to fester in their own irrelevance (I know, a bit like this place) but the listing of Chris Trotter as a 'author' on Cameron Slater's spinoff website, the BFD requires some explanation.Now, I don't ...
    1 week ago
  • Sex is not a spectrum
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    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Trees, aviation, and offsets
    With crunch time for new Zealand climate policy approaching, most of the New Zealand media have got on board with a global reporting effort to cover the issue. There's one strand of stories today about polling and what it shows about changing public attitudes to the crisis, but the strand ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Pissing-Off The Israelis Is A High-Risk Strategy.
    Dangerous Foes: For those readers of Bowalley Road who feel disposed to dismiss any prospect of an Israeli destabilisation of New Zealand politics, the example of the United Kingdom repays close attention. Ever since the election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the British Labour Party, the Israelis have sanctioned, funded and ...
    1 week ago
  • Something to go to in Wellington
    Make It 16, the youth-led campaign to lower New Zealand's voting age, is holding an official campaign launch at Parliament this Friday from 16:30. If you'd like to attend, you can register using EventBrite here. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A founding member responds to Peace Action Wellington
    by Don Franks It was a lovely sunny Wellington afternoon with blue skies above  the beaches.  In Courtenay Place, political activists packed out a stuffy upstairs room for an important meeting. The assembled pacifists, anarchists, communists and independent young radicals of Peace Action Wellington felt the need for a mission ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • “Mistakes and errors”
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • “Homosexuality is same-sex attraction and relationships, not heterosexuals with delusions of gende...
    by Rafael D. Quiles (gender-critical gay man from Puerto Rico) The writing on the wall is right in people’s faces and people just don’t see it or don’t want to. What could actually possess a heterosexual male to want to feminize himself and claim that he is a lesbian? Because ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Trump: “Where’s my favourite dictator?”
    From the Wall Street Journal:Inside a room of the ornately decorated Hotel du Palais during last month’s Group of Seven summit in Biarritz, France, President Trump awaited a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi. Mr. Trump looked over a gathering of American and Egyptian officials and called out in ...
    1 week ago
  • Magdalen Burns, 1983-2019, fighter for women’s liberation
    by the Redline blog collective At Redline we are very saddened to hear of the death of Magdalen Burns who passed away on the morning of Friday, September 13 (British time). Magdalen was a great fighter for the rights of women in general and lesbian women in particular, a defender ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Parliament and the Executive
    The Brexit issue has certainly brought with it a series of apparently difficult constitutional issues, many of them concerning the respective roles of the executive and parliament. Most of them arise because of the unwillingness of MPs, despite their professions to the contrary, to be bound by a constitutional rarity ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • The Abigail Article; Martyn Bradbury’s Article, and My Response
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    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • Police will have to wear silly Buckingham Palace hats from now on, says Police Minister
    Those close to the Police Minister believe the initiative may be the result of Nash “seeing a great deal” on AliExpress. In a move that comes seemingly out of nowhere, Police Minister Stuart Nash announced this afternoon that he expects all frontline staff to don bearskin hats, famously worn by ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • A sensible crackdown
    The government has released its Arms Legislation Bill, containing the second tranche of changes to gun laws following the March 15 massacre. And it all looks quite sensible: a national gun register, higher penalties for illegal possession and dealing, tighter restrictions on arms dealers and shooting clubs, and a shorter ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
    When National was in power, they were very keen on Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) - basicly, using private companies to finance public infrastructure as a way of hiding debt from the public. They were keen on using them for everything - roads, schools, hospitals. But as the UK shows, that "service" ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    2 weeks ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    2 weeks ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago

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