Same thing?

Written By: - Date published: 2:47 pm, June 26th, 2008 - 42 comments
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In an attempt to cover for John Key’s ignorance of New Zealand history, National’s Gerry Brownlee has pulled out a quote from Michael Cullen that he asserts says the same thing as the Key quote. You compare:

Key: “We’re not a country that’s come about as a result of civil war or where there’s been a lot of fighting internally, we’re, we’re a country which peacefully came together’.”

Cullen: “[New Zealand is] a country of enormous beauty, a country which by any reasonable standards is prosperous, a country with a continuous political tradition unbroken by civil war or revolution for over 150 years, something a bare handful of countries can celebrate”

Key says there hasn’t been a lot of internal fighting in New Zealand. That’s patently untrue. The Land Wars lasted decades as the Crown sought to establish sovereignty over the land of iwi who claimed that sovereignty for themselves. Thousands died in fighting and tens of thousands of Maori lost possession of their land to Pakeha settlers as a result. Sounds like a lot of internal fighting to me, and that doesn’t include the other skirmishes and class warfare.

Cullen says New Zealand’s political tradition has never been broken by civil war or revolution. That’s true. Parliamentary democracy has remained intact since 1853, despite the Land Wars and other upheaval. Moreover, a civil war or a revolution is when segments of an existing polity fight each other for control of the polity. The Land Wars were a contest for sovereignty between a colonising empire and the native people. It would be strange to consider the Land Wars a civil war or a revolution.

Same thing? I don’t think so.

PS. Notice the other contrast in the quotes? Key is constantly talking down New Zealand as part of National’s ‘New Zealand sucks’ campaign. Cullen is postively bursting with pride for his country.

42 comments on “Same thing? ”

  1. Skeptic 1

    Let’s try another comparison. John Key says: “New Zealand can perform much better than it is currently performing under Labour.”

    The Standard says John Key is saying: “New Zealand sucks.”

  2. I’ve noticed that Key’s statements off the cuff are noteworthy for the level of imprecision. They often come across like sentence fragments strung together. Word choice can be inappropriate.

    George W Bush does the same thing. The more I read Key’s unscripted comments, the more this strikes me.

    I’m NOT say Key is Bush!!!

    I am saying they have similar modes / episodes (mixing two things there) of apparently struggling to achieve the precision to express themselves adequately….or not.

    As for Key and Cullen saying the same thing, the difference is subtle, but there.

    This leads back to precision again.

    Skeptic: That is the sort of distortion more usual in your milieu….

  3. Tane 3

    God, I’ve just seen Brownlee’s press release selectively quoting Cullen and demanding he apologise.

    National’s just getting arrogant now. Instead of taking it on the chin and making amends they’re digging themselves even deeper.

  4. Felix 4

    Bush – Key: Yep, they’re very different people but are essentially in the same position – that of apolitical businessmen playing the role of a politician.

  5. randal 5

    new zealand is performing at maximum capacity at the moment.keys has never said how he is going to enlarge capacity or more importantly what enterprises will be initiated to enlarge capacity. till then keys is just another gloom and doom suck merchant.

  6. Principessa 6

    This quote from the Herald cracks me up:
    “Mr Ede said the party was looking at “taking other actions” in relation to the comments but he would not say what those were”.

    What are they going to do?- Sue?

  7. Yeah, that’s got me wondering too. I suspect it’s going to be more threatening phone calls to journos who don’t run National’s line. Like they did to Barry Soper and Greg Robertson

  8. Blar 8

    Your post would have more credibility if you quoted Key in full, as you did with Cullen:

    “We may be many voices but ultimately we are one people. One of the unique things about New Zealand is that we are not a country that’s come about through civil war or a lot of fighting internally. We’re a country that peacefully came together Maori and the Crown decided from both partners’ side that it was in their interests to have a peaceful negotiation. That’s what the Treaty was, a founding document a development document for New Zealand, and I think that we could work things out in a peaceful, sensible and mature way has actually been a defining part of New Zealand’s history. It’s very important, and it’s important we honour that now”

  9. insider 9

    Brownlee has issued this in a release

    The full [Key] answer [in an interview] reads: ‘We may be many voices but ultimately we are one people. One of the unique things about New Zealand is that we are not a country that’s come about through civil war or a lot of fighting internally. We’re a country that peacefully came together – Maori and the Crown decided from both partners’ side that it was in their interests to have a peaceful negotiation. That’s what the Treaty was, a founding document – a development document – for New Zealand, and I think that we could work things out in a peaceful, sensible and mature way has actually been a defining part of New Zealand’s history. It’s very important, and it’s important we honour that now’.

    Steve

    In some ways yo can’t compare Cullen’s and Key’s comments as one was unscripted in an interview while the other was a formal, highly scripted speech. The level of analysis and interprtation should similarly be different. I think this is a case of Standard/Labour making a huge meal out of a weight watchers portion pack.

  10. gobsmacked 10

    Michael Cullen or John Key?

    To put it another way, Treaty Settlements like yesterday’s … or Orewa?

    From Agenda, TV One, 2006:

    GUYON ESPINER:
    I’d like to ask you John whether you think that your position in the tone of the Maori policy last election cost you, and whether you think you need to change that a little bit?

    JOHN KEY:
    Look I don’t think it cost us, I think it was actually in many respects the launching of Don’s leadership and the resurgence of National back in the party, and frankly I think the media actually read it totally wrong, they came out and called Don all sorts of things said he was out of step with New Zealand in fact the polls proved he was in step with New Zealand and that was really an argument about the pendulum going too far.

  11. Blar, insider. The comments still display a huge ignorance of the Land Wars. In Key’s dream land New Zealand was magically created as a sovereign nation with borders accepted by all when the Treaty was signed. The Land Wars were a conflict over what the Treaty meant – the British empire saw themselves as having sovereignty over all of New Zealand and having the right to gradually appropriate more and more Maori land. Maori saw the Treaty as a deal by which the Crown became a protector or overlord but the iwi maintained sovereignty over their lands.. when these two different views of who owned New Zealand came into conflict, driven by the colonialists’ hunger for land, you had the Land Wars.

    Incidentally, Key is still bascailly incoherent when he’s speaking eh? Look at all those mangled sentences. It’s like George Bush, he starts a sentence not knowing how he is going to finish it.

  12. Matthew Pilott 12

    Hey you guys are right, when you surround Key’s comments with empty warm platitudes, it does make the comments seem nicer. Unfortunately those platitudes don’t change the context of the speech, nor the vaildity its criticisms.

  13. higherstandard 13

    Is it a slow news day today ?

    Having read both Key’s and Cullen’s comments in full they both seem more than reasonable ….. what’s the issue ?

  14. Scribe 14

    Tane,

    Instead of taking it on the chin and making amends they’re digging themselves even deeper.

    Now, where have we seen that before? Hmmmmmm (scratches head pensively)

  15. Tane 15

    Scribe, I’m confused. What’s your point?

  16. insider 16

    Steve

    Have you read Cullen’s speech? In a speech about the TOW, its evolution and our society and sovereignty he never once mentioned land wars. How can Cullen, a professional historian and person who regularly acts as PM, be so willfully ignorant of our history as to ignore these seminal events in a major speech?

    “…and I think that we could work things out in a peaceful, sensible and mature way has actually been a defining part of New Zealand’s history. It’s very important, and it’s important we honour that now.”

    In what way is this not full of pride and instead running NZ down?

    Tane

    Think HC’s reaction to recent polls and the govt’s responses to concerns about things such as the EFA…

  17. Tane 17

    insider, I suspected that was the case, I’m just not sure what his point was. That Labour has made some bad political decisions, and now National is too?

  18. Scribe 18

    Tane,

    Labour (who many on the blog — not necessarily you) defend to the hilt have spent a huge amount of time digging deep holes rather than taking things on the chin.

    It’s a common political strategy. See Bill Clinton-Monica Lewinsky.

  19. Tane 19

    Scribe, I still don’t see what your point is. Just a political observation?

  20. Joker 20

    It always makes me smile when you chaps attack John Key for his speaking style in interviews.

    Considering Helen’s vocal style comes across as a transvestite doing monotone John Wayne impersonations it seems a bit like people in glasshouses throwing stones.

    [Take it to kiwiblog you mysogynist. there’s a clear difference for criticising someone for the content of what they say and what you just did. SP]

    [lprent: I think I’ll make that mandatory. I’ve just scanned back through your comments and only found a single comment of any value (the one with joke). The rest of your comments are humourless, devoid of content, and just got you classed as a troll. I’ll put you into moderation for the moderators to do enhanced commentary on (if they don’t just zap you)]

  21. Scribe 21

    Tane,

    Many politicians think if they keep denying something people will stop asking. They should have the courage to admit when they’ve made a mistake. They’re (almost) all guilty of the same thing — left, right, blue, red, male, female.

    I guess that is just a political observation.

    And I found it somewhat irnoic that an author on a left-leaning blog would accuse a right-leaning politician of that behaviour, without a disclaimer like “Just like Labour has done, causing their catastrophic dive in the polls….” National has got arrogant etc etc etc

  22. Tane 22

    Dude, I was being ironic. Apologies if that didn’t come through clear enough.

    You’ll find no disagreement from me that Labour’s political management over the last couple of years has been a fiasco.

  23. Matthew Pilott 23

    Joker, there’s a difference between someone’s tone/elocution, and their ability to string a coherent sentence together. I know which I’d prefer to master – especially if I had to deliver so many focus-grouped lines that were fed to me by my minders that it was really obvious when I was saying what I was told, as opposed to articulating my own thoughts…inarticulately.

    Good to see you’re all style over substance…

  24. Scribe 24

    Tane,

    Damned Internet. Peace.

  25. Skeptic 25

    Goodness. I wonder who said this:

    “One hundred and sixty-eight years ago, two peoples were able to sit down, debate and agree on terms for how this land should in future be governed. Unlike the colonisation of most other lands, the settlers that followed the signing of the Treaty, did so legally and not because an invading army had gone before them. This was a remarkable and unique achievement. Many other countries’ national days mark the anniversary of violent revolutions, the end of wars or of successful coups. New Zealand’s national day marks the peaceful signing of a Treaty. Former American Ambassador to New Zealand, Carol Moseley Braun, the first black woman elected to the United States Senate put this well when she said: “It’s important for me as a woman of colour to be able to say to New Zealand —you’ve gotten it more right than a lot of other folks, and you should celebrate that.’

    That’s right. It was none other than our own Governor-General. I don’t see the Standard attacking his version of history.

  26. Matthew Pilott 26

    I don’t see the Standard attacking his version of history.

    I don’t see evidence you’ve read this thread, the other one on this topic, or are able to logically see the difference between the quote you gave, which is very specific, and Key’s, which broadly declares everything was happiness and bunnies.

    Yep, no fighting internally in New Zealand. Bit of a kicker, that one.

  27. Matthew Pilott 27

    And just out of interest, skeptic, why would you? Unlike John Key’s statement, Cullen’s and Satyanand’s comments (assuming you’re refering to the current Governor General) were correct.

  28. Skeptic 28

    It’s not obvious, Matthew, that you’ve read the statement that Key made, which was:

    ‘We may be many voices but ultimately we are one people. One of the unique things about New Zealand is that we are not a country that’s come about through civil war or a lot of fighting internally. We’re a country that peacefully came together – Maori and the Crown decided from both partners’ side that it was in their interests to have a peaceful negotiation. That’s what the Treaty was, a founding document – a development document – for New Zealand, and I think that we could work things out in a peaceful, sensible and mature way has actually been a defining part of New Zealand’s history. It’s very important, and it’s important we honour that now’.

    This is the third time it’s been quoted in this thread. But you are very selective in your quotes, as are the Standard authors.

    Would it really hurt to be less dishonest?

  29. polaris 29

    FFS, the earlier part of his speech explicitly refers to the land wars.

  30. Lew 30

    Skeptic/Matthew: Satyanand’s comment quoted above is in my view as bad as Key’s, because the statement that “the settlers that followed the signing of the Treaty, did so legally and not because an invading army had gone before them” is manifest bullshit.

    None of this, of course, excuses Key’s comments. Cullen’s were much more carefully scoped, and are in fact historically correct.

    L

  31. I think both statements are naive puffery of the kind politicians regularly engage in. Key’s is stunningly naive – yes the Treaty was signed, then promptly broken by the crown, which then went to war. But Cullen’s is only slightly better.

    Storm in a teacup.

  32. Skeptic 32

    No it isn’t manifest bullshit, Lew. It didn’t take an invading army to get the Treaty signed. It was negotiated peacefully. The settlers who arrived didn’t owe their presence in New Zealand to an invading army. They owed it to the Treaty, which was negotiated peacefully. Both Key and Satyanand’s statements were historically correct.

    The Standard is bullshitting again. Key wasn’t talking about the land wars. He was talking about the peaceful environment in which the treaty was signed. That’s something that we should be proud of as New Zealanders.

    Unless you take the Standard’s new position, which seems to be that New Zealand history sucks.

  33. The standard position on this, is rather demented and trivial.

  34. Lew 34

    Skeptic: The settlers arrived in NZ legally, yes. But in the majority of cases they didn’t settle legally, and that’s the point. Huge swathes of the land land they settled, especially in the Waikato, Bay of Plenty and Taranaki, was confiscated by armed soldiers on falsely-grounded fears of uprising, under the Suppression of Rebellion Act (which would have been legal had the act itself not been in breach of the Treaty), or by the Crown (backed by the army) under the Native Land Court or the Native Townships Act, (same caveat for both).

    This is why we have what folks like you, with a poor and self-serving grasp on history, call the `Treaty industry’. I presume people hold these views out of ignorance. Or do you think all that land was settled legitimately?

    L

  35. Talking about history , Helen Clark’s regime of Absolute Power will take some beating. Who could possibly take the gold medal for collective and cumulative corruption.

  36. Pascal's bookie 36

    Kind of related to one of the subtopics:

    As National leader John Key is fond of saying: Explaining is losing. Vernon Small in this morning’s Dompost.

    I hadn’t heard John say this before, but maybe he only says it to journo’s when he’s out on the piss or otherwise off the record.

    It’s not an original John Key insight of course, and it’s a shame that Vernon didn’t bother to let his readers know whose political strategy John is so fond of following.

  37. Matthew Pilott 37

    Septic, I haven’t seen The Standard start a New Zealand history sucks campaign. Unlike your good self, most people here seem to have an interest, and a decent grasp of history; that’s why when you repeatedly paste the same quote of Key’s in there, it doesn’t change anything.

    Funny you think an honest appraisal of New Zealand’s history is akin to criticism of it – I guess your perspective is as rosy and dishonest as Key’s is.

    Have you got a personal policy of only taking note of the nice bits of history? How do you think that affects your perception of reality?

  38. Ari 38

    If you can’t see the difference between saying that our country has been going about relatively peacefully for 150 years, (ie. after the land wars) and saying that we formed the current political system in a peaceful way, (ie. the land wars were either “peaceful” or didn’t exist) then I really pity you. One acknowledges how much better things are now. The other blatantly ignores how things were before, and implicitly approves the behaviour of the governorship allowing itself to be lobbied by settlers into using the treaty as a weapon instead of how it was intended by the Crown- a document giving Maori full rights and protections as British citizens. And that’s even ignoring the fact that the Maori version of the treaty is recognised as the legitimate legal original.

    Key is a politician. It is his responsibility to choose his own words carefully, and apologise when he gets them wrong. Anything else is the usual political arrogance we are so used to. What is different here, however, is that Key is running a platform of being the less arrogant politician, the change, the reformer of Labour’s excesses. Even more than other politicians, he has a responsibility to own up when he is wrong.

  39. Nedyah Hsan 39

    Strange how no one remembers little Georgie Greenholder who was stabbed by a tamariki behind the tree the day the treaty was signed.

    Bloodshed on the day of the signing? No! It couldn’t possibly be right.

    Alas, it’s true. This country was founded at the same moment one little boy killed another with his taiaha.

    Oh woe is NZ. Woe is the fact we came around peacefully with no internal fighting or bloodshed

    *snort*

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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Further funding for Pharmac (forgotten in the Budget?) looks like a $1bn appeal from a PM in need of...
    Buzz from the Beehive One Labour plan  – for 3000 more public homes by 2025 – is the most recent to be posted on the government’s official website. Another – a prime ministerial promise of more funding for Pharmac – has been released as a Labour Party press statement. Who ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    3 days ago
  • Bryce Edwards: The Vested interests shaping National Party policies
    As the National Party gets closer to government, lobbyists and business interests will be lining up for influence and to get policies adopted. It’s therefore in the public interest to have much more scrutiny and transparency about potential conflicts of interests that might arise. One of the key individuals of ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    3 days ago
  • Labour may be on way out of power and NZ First back in – but will Peters go into coalition with Na...
    Voters  are deserting Labour in droves, despite Chris  Hipkins’  valiant  rearguard  action.  So  where  are they  heading?  Clearly  not all of them are going to vote National, which concedes that  the  outcome  will be “close”. To the Right of National, the ACT party just a  few weeks  ago  was ...
    Point of OrderBy tutere44
    3 days ago
  • GRAHAM ADAMS: Will the racists please stand up?
    Accusations of racism by journalists and MPs are being called out. Graham Adams writes –    With the election less than three weeks away, what co-governance means in practice — including in water management, education, planning law and local government — remains largely obscure. Which is hardly ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago
  • Gordon Campbell on whether Winston Peters can be a moderating influence
    As the centre-right has (finally!) been subjected to media interrogation, the polls are indicating that some voters may be starting to have second thoughts about the wisdom of giving National and ACT the power to govern alone. That’s why yesterday’s Newshub/Reid Research poll had the National/ACT combo dropping to 60 ...
    3 days ago
  • Tuesday’s Chorus: RBNZ set to rain on National's victory parade
    ANZ has increased its forecast for house inflation later this year on signs of growing momentum in the market ahead of the election. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: National has campaigned against the Labour Government’s record on inflation and mortgage rates, but there’s now a growing chance the Reserve ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago
  • After a Pittsburgh coal processing plant closed, ER visits plummeted
    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections by Katie Myers. This story was originally published by Grist and is part of Covering Climate Now, a global journalism collaboration strengthening coverage of the climate story. Pittsburgh, in its founding, was blessed and cursed with two abundant natural resources: free-flowing rivers and a nearby coal seam. ...
    3 days ago
  • September-23 AT Board Meeting
    Today the AT board meet again and once again I’ve taken a look at what’s on the agenda to find the most interesting items. Closed Agenda Interestingly when I first looked at the agendas this paper was there but at the time of writing this post it had been ...
    3 days ago
  • Electorate Watch: West Coast-Tasman
    Continuing my series on interesting electorates, today it’s West Coast-Tasman.A long thin electorate running down the northern half of the west coast of the South Island. Think sand flies, beautiful landscapes, lots of rain, Pike River, alternative lifestylers, whitebaiting, and the spiritual home of the Labour Party. A brief word ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    3 days ago
  • Big money brings Winston back
    National leader Christopher Luxon yesterday morning conceded it and last night’s Newshub poll confirmed it; Winston Peters and NZ First are not only back but highly likely to be part of the next government. It is a remarkable comeback for a party that was tossed out of Parliament in ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    3 days ago
  • 20 days until Election Day, 7 until early voting begins… but what changes will we really see here?
    As this blogger, alongside many others, has already posited in another forum: we all know the National Party’s “budget” (meaning this concept of even adding up numbers properly is doing a lot of heavy, heavy lifting right now) is utter and complete bunk (read hung, drawn and quartered and ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    4 days ago
  • A night out
    Everyone was asking, Are you nervous? and my response was various forms of God, yes.I've written more speeches than I can count; not much surprises me when the speaker gets to their feet and the room goes quiet.But a play? Never.YOU CAME! THANK YOU! Read more ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    4 days ago
  • A pallid shade of Green III
    Clearly Labour's focus groups are telling it that it needs to pay more attention to climate change - because hot on the heels of their weaksauce energy efficiency pilot programme and not-great-but-better-than-nothing solar grants, they've released a full climate manifesto. Unfortunately, the core policies in it - a second Emissions ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • A coalition of racism, cruelty, and chaos
    Today's big political news is that after months of wibbling, National's Chris Luxon has finally confirmed that he is willing to work with Winston Peters to become Prime Minister. Which is expected, but I guess it tells us something about which way the polls are going. Which raises the question: ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • More migrant workers should help generate the tax income needed to provide benefits for job seekers
    Buzz from the Beehive Under something described as a “rebalance” of its immigration rules, the Government has adopted four of five recommendations made in an independent review released in July, The fifth, which called on the government to specify criteria for out-of-hours compliance visits similar to those used during ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    4 days ago
  • Letter To Luxon.
    Some of you might know Gerard Otto (G), and his G News platform. This morning he wrote a letter to Christopher Luxon which I particularly enjoyed, and with his agreement I’m sharing it with you in this guest newsletter.If you’d like to make a contribution to support Gerard’s work you ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    4 days ago
  • LINDSAY MITCHELL: Alarming trend in benefit numbers
    Lindsay Mitchell writes –  While there will not be another quarterly release of benefit numbers prior to the election, limited weekly reporting continues and is showing an alarming trend. Because there is a seasonal component to benefit number fluctuations it is crucial to compare like with like. In ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago
  • BRIAN EASTON: Has there been external structural change?
    A close analysis of the Treasury assessment of the Medium Term in its PREFU 2023 suggests the economy may be entering a new phase.   Brian Easton writes –  Last week I explained that the forecasts in the just published Treasury Pre-election Economic and Fiscal Update (PREFU 2023) was ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago
  • CRL Progress – Sep-23
    It’s been a while since we looked at the latest with the City Rail Link and there’s been some fantastic milestones recently. To start with, and most recently, CRL have released an awesome video showing a full fly-through of one of the tunnels. Come fly with us! You asked for ...
    4 days ago
  • Monday’s Chorus: Not building nearly enough
    We are heading into another period of fast population growth without matching increased home building or infrastructure investment.Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: Labour and National detailed their house building and migration approaches over the weekend, with both pledging fast population growth policies without enough house building or infrastructure investment ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago
  • Game on; Hipkins comes out punching
    Labour leader Chris Hipkins yesterday took the gloves off and laid into National and its leader Christopher Luxon. For many in Labour – and particularly for some at the top of the caucus and the party — it would not have been a moment too soon. POLITIK is aware ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    4 days ago
  • Tax Cut Austerity Blues.
    The leaders have had their go, they’ve told us the “what?” and the “why?” of their promises. Now it’s the turn of the would be Finance Ministers to tell us the “how?”, the “how much?”, and the “when?”A chance for those competing for the second most powerful job in the ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    5 days ago
  • MIKE GRIMSHAW:  It’s the economy – and the spirit – Stupid…
    Mike Grimshaw writes – Over the past 30-odd years it’s become almost an orthodoxy to blame or invoke neoliberalism for the failures of New Zealand society. On the left the usual response goes something like, neoliberalism is the cause of everything that’s gone wrong and the answer ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    5 days ago
  • 2023 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #38
    A chronological listing of news and opinion articles posted on the Skeptical Science Facebook Page during the past week: Sun, Sep 17, 2023 thru Sat, Sep 23, 2023. Story of the Week  Opinion: Let’s free ourselves from the story of economic growth A relentless focus on economic growth has ushered in ...
    5 days ago
  • The End Of The World.
    Have you been looking out of your window for signs of the apocalypse? Don’t worry, you haven’t been door knocked by a representative of the Brian Tamaki party. They’re probably a bit busy this morning spruiking salvation, or getting ready to march on our parliament, which is closed. No, I’ve ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    6 days ago
  • Climate Town: The Brainwashing Of America's Children
    Climate Town is the YouTube channel of Rollie Williams and a ragtag team of climate communicators, creatives and comedians. They examine climate change in a way that doesn’t make you want to eat a cyanide pill. Get informed about the climate crisis before the weather does it for you. The latest ...
    7 days ago
  • Has There Been External Structural Change?
    A close analysis of the Treasury assessment of the Medium Term in its PREFU 2023 suggests the economy may be entering a new phase. Last week I explained that the forecasts in the just published Treasury Pre-election Economic and Fiscal Update (PREFU 2023) was similar to the May Budget BEFU, ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    7 days ago
  • Another Labour bully
    Back in June, we learned that Kiri Allan was a Parliamentary bully. And now there's another one: Labour MP Shanan Halbert: The Labour Party was alerted to concerns about [Halbert's] alleged behaviour a year ago but because staffers wanted to remain anonymous, no formal process was undertaken [...] The ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Climate Change: Ignoring our biggest problem
    Its that time in the election season where the status quo parties are busy accusing each other of having fiscal holes in a desperate effort to appear more "responsible" (but not, you understand, by promising to tax wealth or land to give the government the revenue it needs to do ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • JERRY COYNE: A good summary of the mess that is science education in New Zealand
    JERRY COYNE writes –  If you want to see what the government of New Zealand is up to with respect to science education, you can’t do better than listening to this video/slideshow by two exponents of the “we-need-two-knowledge-systems” view. I’ve gotten a lot of scary stuff from Kiwi ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    7 days ago
  • Good news on the GDP front is accompanied by news of a $5m govt boost for Supercars (but what about ...
    Buzz from the Beehive First, we were treated to the news (from Finance Minister Grant Robertson) that the economy has turned a corner and New Zealand never was in recession.  This was triggered by statistics which showed the economy expanded 0.9 per cent in the June quarter, twice as much as ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    7 days ago
  • The Scafetta Saga
    It has taken 17 months to get a comment published pointing out the obvious errors in the Scafetta (2022) paper in GRL. Back in March 2022, Nicola Scafetta published a short paper in Geophysical Research Letters (GRL) purporting to show through ‘advanced’ means that ‘all models with ECS > ...
    Real ClimateBy Gavin
    7 days ago
  • Friday's Chorus: Penny wise and pound foolish
    TL;DR: In the middle of a climate emergency and in a city prone to earthquakes, Victoria University of Wellington announced yesterday it would stop teaching geophysics, geographic information science and physical geography to save $22 million a year and repay debt. Climate change damage in Aotearoa this year is already ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    7 days ago
  • CHRIS TROTTER: Calling the big dog’s bluff
      For nearly thirty years the pundits have been telling the minor parties that they must be good little puppies and let the big dogs decide. The parties with a plurality of the votes cast must be allowed to govern – even if that means ignoring the ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    7 days ago
  • The electorate swing, Labour limbo and Luxon-Hipkins two-step
     Another poll, another 27 for Labour. It was July the last time one of the reputable TV company polls had Labour's poll percentage starting with a three, so the limbo question is now being asked: how low can you go?It seems such an unlikely question because this doesn't feel like the kind ...
    PunditBy Tim Watkin
    1 week ago
  • A Womance, and a Nomance.
    After the trench warfare of Tuesday night, when the two major parties went head to head, last night was the turn of the minor parties. Hosts Newshub termed it “the Powerbrokers' Debate”.Based on the latest polls the four parties taking part - ACT, the Greens, New Zealand First, and Te ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    1 week ago
  • When The Internet Rushes To Your Defense
    Hi,You can’t make this stuff up.People involved with Sound of Freedom, the QAnon-infused movie about anti-child trafficker Tim Ballard, are dropping like flies. I won’t ruin your day by describing it here, but Vice reports that footage has emerged of executive producer Paul Hutchinson being inappropriate with a 16-year-old trafficking ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    1 week ago
  • Doubts about Robertson’s good news day
    The trading banks yesterday concluded that though GDP figures released yesterday show the economy is not in recession, it may well soon be. Nevertheless, the fact that GDP has gone up 0.8 per cent in the latest quarter and that StatsNZ revised the previous quarter’s figure to show a ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    1 week ago
  • The Votes That Media Dare Not Speak Its Name
    .Thanks for reading Frankly Speaking ! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work..A recent political opinion poll (20 September) on TV1 presented what could only be called bleak news for the Left Bloc:National: 37%, down two points equating to 46 seatsLabour: 27%, down one point (34 ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #38 2023
    Open access notables At our roots Skeptical Science is about cognition of the results of climate science research in the minds of the entire human population. Ideally we'd be perfectly communicating understanding of Earth's climate, and perfectly understood. We can only approximate that, but hopefully converging closer to perfection. With ...
    1 week ago
  • Failing To Hold Back The Flood: The Edgy Politics of the Twenty-First Century.
    Coming Over The Top: Rory Stewart's memoir, Politics On The Edge, lays bare the dangerous inadequacies of the Western World's current political model.VERY FEW NEW ZEALANDERS will have heard of Rory Stewart. Those with a keen eye for the absurdities of politics may recognise the name as that of the ...
    1 week ago

  • New community-level energy projects to support more than 800 Māori households
    Seven more innovative community-scale energy projects will receive government funding through the Māori and Public Housing Renewable Energy Fund to bring more affordable, locally generated clean energy to more than 800 Māori households, Energy and Resources Minister Dr Megan Woods says. “We’ve already funded 42 small-scale clean energy projects that ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    23 hours ago
  • Huge boost to Te Tai Tokerau flood resilience
    The Government has approved new funding that will boost resilience and greatly reduce the risk of major flood damage across Te Tai Tokerau. Significant weather events this year caused severe flooding and damage across the region. The $8.9m will be used to provide some of the smaller communities and maraes ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Napier’s largest public housing development comes with solar
    The largest public housing development in Napier for many years has been recently completed and has the added benefit of innovative solar technology, thanks to Government programmes, says Housing Minister Dr Megan Woods. The 24 warm, dry homes are in Seddon Crescent, Marewa and Megan Woods says the whanau living ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Te Whānau a Apanui and the Crown initial Deed of Settlement I Kua waitohua e Te Whānau a Apanui me...
    Māori: Kua waitohua e Te Whānau a Apanui me te Karauna te Whakaaetanga Whakataunga Kua waitohua e Te Whānau a Apanui me te Karauna i tētahi Whakaaetanga Whakataunga hei whakamihi i ō rātou tāhuhu kerēme Tiriti o Waitangi. E tekau mā rua ngā hapū o roto mai o Te Whānau ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Plan for 3,000 more public homes by 2025 – regions set to benefit
    Regions around the country will get significant boosts of public housing in the next two years, as outlined in the latest public housing plan update, released by the Housing Minister, Dr Megan Woods. “We’re delivering the most public homes each year since the Nash government of the 1950s with one ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Immigration settings updates
    Judicial warrant process for out-of-hours compliance visits 2023/24 Recognised Seasonal Employer cap increased by 500 Additional roles for Construction and Infrastructure Sector Agreement More roles added to Green List Three-month extension for onshore Recovery Visa holders The Government has confirmed a number of updates to immigration settings as part of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Poroporoaki: Tā Patrick (Patu) Wahanga Hohepa
    Tangi ngunguru ana ngā tai ki te wahapū o Hokianga Whakapau Karakia. Tārehu ana ngā pae maunga ki Te Puna o te Ao Marama. Korihi tangi ana ngā manu, kua hinga he kauri nui ki te Wao Nui o Tāne. He Toa. He Pou. He Ahorangi. E papaki tū ana ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Renewable energy fund to support community resilience
    40 solar energy systems on community buildings in regions affected by Cyclone Gabrielle and other severe weather events Virtual capability-building hub to support community organisations get projects off the ground Boost for community-level renewable energy projects across the country At least 40 community buildings used to support the emergency response ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • COVID-19 funding returned to Government
    The lifting of COVID-19 isolation and mask mandates in August has resulted in a return of almost $50m in savings and recovered contingencies, Minister of Health Dr Ayesha Verrall announced today. Following the revocation of mandates and isolation, specialised COVID-19 telehealth and alternative isolation accommodation are among the operational elements ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Appointment of District Court Judge
    Susie Houghton of Auckland has been appointed as a new District Court Judge, to serve on the Family Court, Attorney-General David Parker said today.  Judge Houghton has acted as a lawyer for child for more than 20 years. She has acted on matters relating to the Hague Convention, an international ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Government invests further in Central Hawke’s Bay resilience
    The Government has today confirmed $2.5 million to fund a replace and upgrade a stopbank to protect the Waipawa Drinking Water Treatment Plant. “As a result of Cyclone Gabrielle, the original stopbank protecting the Waipawa Drinking Water Treatment Plant was destroyed. The plant was operational within 6 weeks of the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Govt boost for Hawke’s Bay cyclone waste clean-up
    Another $2.1 million to boost capacity to deal with waste left in Cyclone Gabrielle’s wake. Funds for Hastings District Council, Phoenix Contracting and Hog Fuel NZ to increase local waste-processing infrastructure. The Government is beefing up Hawke’s Bay’s Cyclone Gabrielle clean-up capacity with more support dealing with the massive amount ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Taupō Supercars revs up with Government support
    The future of Supercars events in New Zealand has been secured with new Government support. The Government is getting engines started through the Major Events Fund, a special fund to support high profile events in New Zealand that provide long-term economic, social and cultural benefits. “The Repco Supercars Championship is ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • There is no recession in NZ, economy grows nearly 1 percent in June quarter
    The economy has turned a corner with confirmation today New Zealand never was in recession and stronger than expected growth in the June quarter, Finance Minister Grant Robertson said. “The New Zealand economy is doing better than expected,” Grant Robertson said. “It’s continuing to grow, with the latest figures showing ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Highest legal protection for New Zealand’s largest freshwater springs
    The Government has accepted the Environment Court’s recommendation to give special legal protection to New Zealand’s largest freshwater springs, Te Waikoropupū Springs (also known as Pupū Springs), Environment Minister David Parker announced today.   “Te Waikoropupū Springs, near Takaka in Golden Bay, have the second clearest water in New Zealand after ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • More support for victims of migrant exploitation
    Temporary package of funding for accommodation and essential living support for victims of migrant exploitation Exploited migrant workers able to apply for a further Migrant Exploitation Protection Visa (MEPV), giving people more time to find a job Free job search assistance to get people back into work Use of 90-day ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Strong export boost as NZ economy turns corner
    An export boost is supporting New Zealand’s economy to grow, adding to signs that the economy has turned a corner and is on a stronger footing as we rebuild from Cyclone Gabrielle and lock in the benefits of multiple new trade deals, Finance Minister Grant Robertson says. “The economy is ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Funding approved for flood resilience work in Te Karaka
    The Government has approved $15 million to raise about 200 homes at risk of future flooding. More than half of this is expected to be spent in the Tairāwhiti settlement of Te Karaka, lifting about 100 homes there. “Te Karaka was badly hit during Cyclone Gabrielle when the Waipāoa River ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Further business support for cyclone-affected regions
    The Government is helping businesses recover from Cyclone Gabrielle and attract more people back into their regions. “Cyclone Gabrielle has caused considerable damage across North Island regions with impacts continuing to be felt by businesses and communities,” Economic Development Minister Barbara Edmonds said. “Building on our earlier business support, this ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • New maintenance facility at Burnham Military Camp underway
    Defence Minister Andrew Little has turned the first sod to start construction of a new Maintenance Support Facility (MSF) at Burnham Military Camp today. “This new state-of-art facility replaces Second World War-era buildings and will enable our Defence Force to better maintain and repair equipment,” Andrew Little said. “This Government ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Foreign Minister to attend United Nations General Assembly
    Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta will represent New Zealand at the 78th Session of the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) in New York this week, before visiting Washington DC for further Pacific focussed meetings. Nanaia Mahuta will be in New York from Wednesday 20 September, and will participate in UNGA leaders ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Midwives’ pay equity offer reached
    Around 1,700 Te Whatu Ora employed midwives and maternity care assistants will soon vote on a proposed pay equity settlement agreed by Te Whatu Ora, the Midwifery Employee Representation and Advisory Service (MERAS) and New Zealand Nurses Association (NZNO), Minister of Health Dr Ayesha Verrall announced today. “Addressing historical pay ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • New Zealand provides support to Morocco
    Aotearoa New Zealand will provide humanitarian support to those affected by last week’s earthquake in Morocco, Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta announced today. “We are making a contribution of $1 million to the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC) to help meet humanitarian needs,” Nanaia Mahuta said. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Government invests in West Coast’s roading resilience
    The Government is investing over $22 million across 18 projects to improve the resilience of roads in the West Coast that have been affected by recent extreme weather, Prime Minister Chris Hipkins confirmed today.  A dedicated Transport Resilience Fund has been established for early preventative works to protect the state ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Government invests in Greymouth’s future
    The Government has today confirmed a $2 million grant towards the regeneration of Greymouth’s CBD with construction of a new two-level commercial and public facility. “It will include a visitor facility centred around a new library. Additionally, it will include retail outlets on the ground floor, and both outdoor and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Nanaia Mahuta to attend PIF Foreign Ministers’ Meeting
    Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta will attend the Pacific Islands Forum (PIF) Foreign Ministers’ Meeting, in Suva, Fiji alongside New Zealand’s regional counterparts. “Aotearoa New Zealand is deeply committed to working with our pacific whanau to strengthen our cooperation, and share ways to combat the challenges facing the Blue Pacific Continent,” ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • PREFU shows no recession, growing economy, more jobs and wages ahead of inflation
    Economy to grow 2.6 percent on average over forecast period Treasury not forecasting a recession Inflation to return to the 1-3 percent target band next year Wages set to grow 4.8 percent a year over forecast period Unemployment to peak below the long-term average Fiscal Rules met - Net debt ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • New cancer centre opens in Christchurch
    Prime Minister Chris Hipkins and Minister of Health Dr Ayesha Verrall proudly opened the Canterbury Cancer Centre in Christchurch today. The new facility is the first of its kind and was built with $6.5 million of funding from the Government’s Infrastructure Reference Group scheme for shovel-ready projects allocated in 2020. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Government invests in top of the south’s roading resilience
    $12 million to improve the resilience of roads in the Nelson, Marlborough and Tasman regions Hope Bypass earmarked in draft Government Policy Statement on land transport $127 million invested in the top of the south’s roads since flooding in 2021 and 2022 The Government is investing over $12 million to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago
  • New Zealanders continue to support the revitalisation of te reo as we celebrate Te Wiki o te Reo Mā...
    Ko tēnei te wiki e whakanui ana i tō tātou reo rangatira. Ko te wā tuku reo Māori, e whakanuia tahitia ai te reo ahakoa kei hea ake tēnā me tēnā o tātou, ka tū ā te Rātū te 14 o Mahuru, ā te 12 o ngā hāora i te ahiahi. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago
  • New Wildlife Act to better protect native species
    The 70-year-old Wildlife Act will be replaced with modern, fit-for-purpose legislation to better protect native species and improve biodiversity, Minister of Conservation Willow-Jean Prime has announced.   “New species legislation is urgently needed to address New Zealand’s biodiversity crisis,” Willow-Jean Prime said.   “More than 4,000 of our native species are currently ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago
  • Further safety initiatives for Auckland City Centre
    Central and Local Government are today announcing a range of new measures to tackle low-level crime and anti-social behaviour in the Auckland CBD to complement Police scaling up their presence in the area. “Police have an important role to play in preventing and responding to crime, but there is more ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 weeks ago

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