Selling our soul for 18 jobs

Written By: - Date published: 10:28 am, August 31st, 2013 - 27 comments
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The Greens have got hold of an official report that National has had for 2 years showing that the SkyCity deal will add just 18 jobs to the economy as a whole. Joyce in his ‘defence’ says the report looks at the wider economic impact on Auckland city, rather than the number of workers needed at the convention centre. Uh, huh. Everyone thought they were promising 800 extra jobs for the country, when the real number is 18.

See, when Key and Joyce were promising 800 jobs they were talking the number to work at the convention centre. What they failed to mention is that the deal will destroy nearly that many jobs in the rest of the economy due to a slightly higher dollar and the convention centre sucking up investment capital.

It was a con. If Key and Joyce had gotten up and said ‘back this deal to sell our laws and New Zealand will have 18 more jobs as a result’ they would have been laughed at. So, instead they said ‘this deal will create 800 jobs at the convention centre’ and kept mum about the jobs it would destroy in the wider economy. What a bunch of two-bit con artists this government is.

27 comments on “Selling our soul for 18 jobs”

  1. One Anonymous Knucklehead 1

    A con to what end? At this point it looks like political donations for the National Party, increased profits for their clients and nothing else.

    Naked greed and corruption.

    Perhaps Dr. Wayne Mapp will be able to set me straight.

  2. Sable 2

    Yet more lies from a political party that seems to have nothing else to offer. Interesting its the Greens not Labour doing the leg work uncovering Nationals dishonesty and dirty deals not Labour. Maybe a few skeletons of their own or some shared in common such as the GCSB??

  3. Clement Pinto 3

    I have stopped giving any benefit of the doubt for this dodgy Government and its dodgy operating head honchos, namely Key, Joyce, English, Ryall, Finlayson, Parata, Collins, Brownlee and Banks. I am now simply waiting for the next election to vote these scoundrels out. I am hoping that lots of others are too.

  4. Draco T Bastard 4

    It was a con.

    It’s National, it’s always a con.

  5. Wayne 5

    I am overseas at the moment. But from the TVNZ report iin NZIER’s view it is 340 jobs once the centre is built. Frankly the assertion that it will produce only 18 extra net jobs is nonsense. For that to have any credibility you would have to believe that the centre will attract no international conferences at all.

    One of the key jobs of Ministers is to critically analyse reports, and make their own assessment. Otherwise you might just as well leave government to the civil service and not have elections at all.

    As a general proposition 20 Ministers (whichever the Govt) bring a huge amount of collective experience and jdgement to the role. And can sort out he wheat from the chaff.

    Just because some junior economist in NZIER makes that assertion does not mean they are right. For instance I recall NZTE and MFAT saying in 2008 that the China FTA would only have a modest effect. I said to them they were wrong and that with the growth of China the effect on NZ sales in key products would be huge. And on the Left you will recall Michael Cullens view of some of the Treasury Reports.

    [Wayne, I hope you bothered reading reports better than that when we were paying your salary. The NZIER report says that the convention centre will employ 800 people (340FTEs) but that will be almost entirely offset by job losses elsewhere in the economy so that the net effect is 18 more FTEs nationwide. That’s the price of our country’s legislation now? Eddie]

    • Colonial Viper 5.1

      An extra 340 jobs would be roughly $12M pa in increased payroll for SkyCity.

      They would have to attract two maybe three major international conferences a month just to break even.

      In reality though, we know that most of those jobs are going to be casual and minimum wage, with no minimum hours of work per week.

    • framu 5.2

      And just because sky city and building industry people claim a number doesnt make them right either does it

      because thats where crony key has got his figures from

      none of your comment even addresses this – and looks only at the actions of ministers after receiving this info

      which is a pretty weak argument

      and its full time equivalent jobs – not “jobs”. You know that its easy to make a job total sound bigger if its made up of part time and casual labour

      ” junior economist in NZIER” – do we know it was a junior? – nice playing of the man wayne

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 5.3

      So, between 18 and 340 jobs (not 800) in Auckland – remind me where the highest unemployment is in NZ – political donations and profits for the National Party’s clients is worth the extra cost to society of gambling misery and getting the government into bed with money laundering?

    • Macro 5.4

      Why Wayne, in the course of things, in 5 or so more years – when the dreadful monstrosity is built – and the world is coming to terms with the awful fact that rampant climate change is almost upon them, and the price of oil is going through the roof; why would anyone in their right mind want to organise a convention as far away from the centre of population as possible?
      Perth has such a monstrosity at the present time – underused and a blot on the landscape. These things are fine where there is a population mass that can utilise them, but to build one – just because everyone else has one – is sheer madness!
      Furthermore – is it the intention to hire staff on a casual basis for the occasional influx of conference attendees – and keep them on the books and waiting in the vain hope that there will be further employment? No doubt you will be into this sort of corrupt and abusive employment practice as well and make appropriate law changes as well. (when you say there will be 340 + jobs you are really only talking about these part-time casual jobs) You can’t honestly think that the conference centre will be full all year round. If you do then you are more a fool than I thought!

    • ghostwhowalksnz 5.5

      Dont forget Sky City allready has a convention center- they got extra pokies from Judith Collins for building that inside their hotel- so that will be subsumed into the new building.

      As well, Aotea Centre has convention facilities, which most predict to be underused for the big flash cousin up the hill. So expect job losses there too

  6. Rich 6

    The only people who could benefit from a convention centre are SkyCity, the Auckland hotel industry and the airlines.

    It’ll actually be a negative for other businesses if it puts up hotel rates / airfares during any big conventions that do happen.

    Normally, you’d expect a centre like this to be funded by its operators. If that isn’t viable, then the tourist industry could have raised some sort of levy. If they weren’t prepared to do that, then obviously it isn’t a viable proposition and we don’t need it.

  7. Wayne 7

    Eddie, as I said, I am overseas at the moment, and your link simply goes to the TVNZ report. But I had worked out that NZIER was dealing with job transfer. I stand by my view that the NZIER report is simply not credible on this point of 18 net jobs. Effectively they are saying the Convention Centre brings no new events from overseas, beyond what we already get. And I don’t accept that.

    And Marco, airlines all over the world are buying new aircraft. The price of air travel today is cheaper than it has ever been, and there is no indication that prices will go up anytime soon. So NZ is going to do OK in tourism (including international conventions). And Aucland is easier to get to than Perth.

    • Colonial Viper 7.1

      Effectively they are saying the Convention Centre brings no new events from overseas, beyond what we already get. And I don’t accept that.

      They would have to bring in two or three major events a month to justify the $12M pa payroll associated with 340 new jobs.

      But most of those roles will be casual and part time (and minimum wage), so they could get away with much less.

    • Macro 7.2

      ” The price of air travel today is cheaper than it has ever been, and there is no indication that prices will go up anytime soon.” wishful thinking!
      Yes air travel is cheap because airlines are not paying the full price of oil or carbon credits.(ie being effectively subsidized by future generations)..As people wake up to the impending calamity that awaits them with BAU.- that scenario is going to change. I believe it is highly immoral for any government to neglect the needs of future generations, but that is effectively what is happening around the world today.

    • Effectively they are saying the Convention Centre brings no new events from overseas, beyond what we already get. And I don’t accept that.

      That’s not how I read it Wayne. It seems to me that what they are saying is that any additional jobs created by increased convention patrons will be offset by reductions in jobs elsewhere. Or am I confused – I haven’t read the report, of course.

      Edit: Or, perhaps more accurately, job growth and any new employment will simply be displaced towards the gambling industry?

    • Tim 7.4

      They’re buying new aircraft Wayne for a number of reasons – reducing maintenance costs, retiring aging fleets, fuel efficiency and so on. They are not buying new aircraft simply to increase capacity.

      • North 7.4.1

        However you spin it Wayne the 800 new jobs is and always was a nonsense. And who spouted that nonsense ? A prime minister needing to justify selling legislation to his cronies having no scruples about spouting bullshit to do so.

  8. BLiP 8

    Great to see this back in the news. It is, of course, just one of many lies John Key has told about the Sky City deal . . .

    the Sky City deal will provide 1000 construction jobs and 800 casino jobs

    all five bidders for the convention centre were treated equally

    my office has had no correspondence, no discussions, no involvement with the Sky City deal

    I did not mislead the House (8)

    I can’t remember what was discussed at my meeting with the SkyCity Chief Executive on 14 May 2009

    I have no record of the 12 November 2009 email from Treasury advising that the SkyCity deal was dodgy and needed to be referred to the Auditor General

    there was nothing improper about the Sky City deal

    SkyCity will only get “a few more” pokie machines at the margins

    any changes to gambling regulations will be subject to a full public submission process

    Sky City has approached TVNZ about the purchase/use of government-owned land

    I did not mislead the House (9)

    this government has been very transparent about all its dealings with SkyCity

    I did not mislead the House (10)

    the Auditor General has fully vindicated National over the Sky City deal

    I did not mislead the House (11)

    the Deputy Auditor General supports the view that there was nothing inappropriate about the Sky City deal

    I did not mislead the House (12)

    I did not breach the confidentiality of the Auditor General’s Report into the Sky City deal

    the Labour Government did exactly the same sort of deal back in 2001

    This Sunday is Gamble Free Day. If you’re not going to attend a rally in support of democracy, or the Labour leadership you can, at 4.30pm tomorrow, find out more about the impact gambling has on public health and in communities.

  9. irascible 9

    Meanwhile PinoKeyo has greater things on his mind than his usual invented “facts & figures”, things more important than running the country.
    This from the STUFF website:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9109505/Today-in-politics-Saturday-August-31

    PM MISSES HOT POOLS, GIVES DIVE BOMB TIPS

    On a visit to the Bay of Plenty yesterday Prime Minister John Key was disappointed he didn’t get to visit the Mt Maunganui hot pools. However, he did share his ‘‘fabulous’’ technique for dive bombs with local reporters. ‘‘I’ve learned from my 18-year-old son, more when he was probably 13 or 12, but the knee tuck is very important. Holding your knees in firmly and showing no fear, I find, are the two pieces of advice I give on doing bombs.’’

    The shining intelligence of the man is revealed.

  10. Erentz 10

    I don’t get the obsession with convention centers. I’ve never seen a good one. They are most of the time empty blights on the city landscape. I will be surprised if this ends up being anything more.

    And why did they not make the new MEC building down on the waterfront a convention center also? It seems mostly empty.

  11. Terry 11

    Let’s get straight to the point – Key is a wanker. Simple.

  12. tracey 12

    Wayne if you accept 340 as the job number, abd you appear to, then 800 was guilding the lily by over 100% … with full knowledge of the lijely real number. Classy

  13. SpaceMonkey 13

    This is economic treason.

  14. Treetop 14

    How many extra counselling hours for the new addicts will be required? (40 hrs = 1 job).

    There are other hidden costs.
    1. Police call outs due to domestic violence caused by addiction.
    2. Seeking Winz assistance when food money is sucked by machines.
    3. Burglaries.
    4. Strained family relationships.
    5. Theft in the work place.

    The key thing for me when I look at pokie addiction is when it impacts on another person and the lies that get told. Sadly the biggest lies have come from the government who do not understand what pokie addiction does.

  15. tracey 15

    And remember the number of people banned from casinos is tiny compared to the number of problem gamblers. I have it on good advice that many of those banned have voluntarily applied to be banned. In otherwords gamblers who have admitted that there is a problem. Tip of iceberg stuff.p

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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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    The CivilianBy admin
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  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
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    The CivilianBy admin
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
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  • BORA reform is stalled
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
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    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
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