Shadbolt campaign funded by Hollow Men
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Remember how I asked who was funding Tim Shadbolt’s campaign to “bring down the government”? Turns out the Southland Times was interested too and they’ve found out his move to deliberately break electoral law is being propped up by the Talley brothers, who appear to have a bit of a history of that themselves.
Now the Talleys have a fine tradition of backing National (including offering Don Brash a million dollars and South Island use of a private helicopter for the 2005 election campaign) and are well known right-wing political activists. Most recently the Talleys have been behind a campaign to take the ACC to court – it turns out they got a cut-price ACC deal in exchange for covering all injury costs themselves. One of their workers got shot at their Wairoa plant and now they think the taxpayer should foot the bill – National has championed the company’s attempt to escape their contractual obligation.
It’s also interesting to note that Peter Talley was the guest speaker at National’s Canterbury Westland regional conference in 2004 and that they have a reputation as aggressive and anti-worker employers. After losing a case of sexual discrimination against one of their female workers Andrew Talley’s response was:
There are jobs – pole dancing being one and fish filleting being another – that have a higher predominance of either men or women. The decision is a joke.
So let’s have a look at this: we’ve got a bunch of extremely wealthy right-wing businessmen who think they are above contract law and have a very close relationship with the National Party and they’re funding an “independent” campaign by Tim Shadbolt to bring the government down. That stinks more than a Talley’s fish factory and when a veteran politician like Shadbolt claims he had no idea the Talleys were in the Hollow Men (note: he didn’t say he had no idea they were National Party activists) then he’s being more than a little bit slippery.
Tim mate – you should have learned by now that when you lie down with dogs you catch fleas.
[Kudos to Southland Times reporter Phil McCarthy for doing some real journalism – it’s nice to see someone asking some awkward questions rather than just recycling press releases]
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- Continued progress on reducing poverty in challenging times77,000 fewer children living in low income households on the after-housing-costs primary measure since Labour took office Eight of the nine child poverty measures have seen a statistically significant reduction since 2018. All nine have reduced 28,700 fewer children experiencing material hardship since 2018 Measures taken by the Government during ...2 days ago
- Speech at Fiji Investment and Trade Business ForumDeputy Prime Minister Kamikamica; distinguished guests, ladies and gentlemen. Tēnā koutou katoa, ni sa bula vinaka saka, namaste. Deputy Prime Minister, a very warm welcome to Aotearoa. I trust you have been enjoying your time here and thank you for joining us here today. To all delegates who have travelled to be ...2 days ago
- Government investments boost and diversify local economies in lower South Island$2.9 million convertible loan for Scapegrace Distillery to meet growing national and international demand $4.5m underwrite to support Silverlight Studios’ project to establish a film studio in Wanaka Gore’s James Cumming Community Centre and Library to be official opened tomorrow with support of $3m from the COVID-19 Response and Recovery ...2 days ago
- Government future-proofs EV chargingTransport Minister Michael Wood has today launched the first national EV (electric vehicle) charging strategy, Charging Our Future, which includes plans to provide EV charging stations in almost every town in New Zealand. “Our vision is for Aotearoa New Zealand to have world-class EV charging infrastructure that is accessible, affordable, ...2 days ago
- World-leading family harm prevention campaign supports young NZersAssociate Minister for Social Development and Employment Priyanca Radhakrishnan has today launched the Love Better campaign in a world-leading approach to family harm prevention. Love Better will initially support young people through their experience of break-ups, developing positive and life-long attitudes to dealing with hurt. “Over 1,200 young kiwis told ...3 days ago
- First Chief Clinical Advisor welcomed into Coroners CourtHon Rino Tirikatene, Minister for Courts, welcomes the Ministry of Justice’s appointment of Dr Garry Clearwater as New Zealand’s first Chief Clinical Advisor working with the Coroners Court. “This appointment is significant for the Coroners Court and New Zealand’s wider coronial system.” Minister Tirikatene said. Through Budget 2022, the Government ...3 days ago
- Next steps for affected properties post Cyclone and floodsThe Government via the Cyclone Taskforce is working with local government and insurance companies to build a picture of high-risk areas following Cyclone Gabrielle and January floods. “The Taskforce, led by Sir Brian Roche, has been working with insurance companies to undertake an assessment of high-risk areas so we can ...3 days ago
- New appointment to Māori Land Court benchE te huia kaimanawa, ko Ngāpuhi e whakahari ana i tau aupikinga ki te tihi o te maunga. Ko te Ao Māori hoki e whakanui ana i a koe te whakaihu waka o te reo Māori i roto i te Ao Ture. (To the prized treasure, it is Ngāpuhi who ...3 days ago
- Government focus on jobs sees record number of New Zealanders move from Benefits into work113,400 exits into work in the year to June 2022 Young people are moving off Benefit faster than after the Global Financial Crisis Two reports released today by the Ministry of Social Development show the Government’s investment in the COVID-19 response helped drive record numbers of people off Benefits and ...3 days ago
- Vertical farming partnership has upward momentumThe Government’s priority to keep New Zealand at the cutting edge of food production and lift our sustainability credentials continues by backing the next steps of a hi-tech vertical farming venture that uses up to 95 per cent less water, is climate resilient, and pesticide-free. Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor visited ...3 days ago
- Conference of Pacific Education Ministers – Keynote AddressE nga mana, e nga iwi, e nga reo, e nga hau e wha, tena koutou, tena koutou, tena koutou kātoa. Warm Pacific greetings to all. It is an honour to host the inaugural Conference of Pacific Education Ministers here in Tāmaki Makaurau. Aotearoa is delighted to be hosting you ...4 days ago
- New $13m renal unit supports Taranaki patientsThe new renal unit at Taranaki Base Hospital has been officially opened by the Minister of Health Dr Ayesha Verrall this afternoon. Te Huhi Raupō received around $13 million in government funding as part of Project Maunga Stage 2, the redevelopment of the Taranaki Base Hospital campus. “It’s an honour ...4 days ago
- Second Poseidon aircraft on home soilDefence Minister Andrew Little has marked the arrival of the country’s second P-8A Poseidon aircraft alongside personnel at the Royal New Zealand Air Force’s Base at Ohakea today. “With two of the four P-8A Poseidons now on home soil this marks another significant milestone in the Government’s historic investment in ...4 days ago
- Further humanitarian aid for Türkiye and SyriaAotearoa New Zealand will provide further humanitarian support to those seriously affected by last month’s deadly earthquakes in Türkiye and Syria, says Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta. “The 6 February earthquakes have had devastating consequences, with almost 18 million people affected. More than 53,000 people have died and tens of thousands more ...4 days ago
- Community voice to help shape immigration policyMigrant communities across New Zealand are represented in the new Migrant Community Reference Group that will help shape immigration policy going forward, Immigration Minister Michael Wood announced today. “Since becoming Minister, a reoccurring message I have heard from migrants is the feeling their voice has often been missing around policy ...4 days ago
- State Highway 3 project to deliver safer journeys, better travel connections for TaranakiConstruction has begun on major works that will deliver significant safety improvements on State Highway 3 from Waitara to Bell Block, Associate Minister of Transport Kiri Allan announced today. “This is an important route for communities, freight and visitors to Taranaki but too many people have lost their lives or ...4 days ago
- Ginny Andersen appointed as Minister of PolicePrime Minister Chris Hipkins has today appointed Ginny Andersen as Minister of Police. “Ginny Andersen has a strong and relevant background in this important portfolio,” Chris Hipkins said. “Ginny Andersen worked for the Police as a non-sworn staff member for around 10 years and has more recently been chair of ...4 days ago
- Government confirms vital roading reconnectionsSix further bailey bridge sites confirmed Four additional bridge sites under consideration 91 per cent of damaged state highways reopened Recovery Dashboards for impacted regions released The Government has responded quickly to restore lifeline routes after Cyclone Gabrielle and can today confirm that an additional six bailey bridges will ...5 days ago
- Foreign Minister Mahuta to meet with China’s new Foreign MinisterForeign Minister Nanaia Mahuta departs for China tomorrow, where she will meet with her counterpart, State Councillor and Foreign Minister Qin Gang, in Beijing. This will be the first visit by a New Zealand Minister to China since 2019, and follows the easing of COVID-19 travel restrictions between New Zealand and China. ...5 days ago
- Education Ministers from across the Pacific gather in AotearoaEducation Ministers from across the Pacific will gather in Tāmaki Makaurau this week to share their collective knowledge and strategic vision, for the benefit of ākonga across the region. New Zealand Education Minister Jan Tinetti will host the inaugural Conference of Pacific Education Ministers (CPEM) for three days from today, ...5 days ago
- State Highway 5 reopens between Napier and Taupō following Cyclone GabrielleA vital transport link for communities and local businesses has been restored following Cyclone Gabrielle with the reopening of State Highway 5 (SH5) between Napier and Taupō, Associate Minister of Transport Kiri Allan says. SH5 reopened to all traffic between 7am and 7pm from today, with closure points at SH2 (Kaimata ...5 days ago
- Special Lotto draw raises $11.7 million for Cyclone Gabrielle recoveryInternal Affairs Minister Barbara Edmonds has thanked generous New Zealanders who took part in the special Lotto draw for communities affected by Cyclone Gabrielle. Held on Saturday night, the draw raised $11.7 million with half of all ticket sales going towards recovery efforts. “In a time of need, New Zealanders ...6 days ago
- Government delivers a $3 million funding boost for Building Financial Capability servicesThe Government has announced funding of $3 million for providers to help people, and whānau access community-based Building Financial Capability services. “Demand for Financial Capability Services is growing as people face cost of living pressures. Those pressures are increasing further in areas affected by flooding and Cyclone Gabrielle,” Minister for ...1 week ago
- Education New Zealand | Manapou ki te Ao – new Chair and memberMinister of Education, Hon Jan Tinetti, has announced appointments to the Board of Education New Zealand | Manapou ki te Ao. Tracey Bridges is joining the Board as the new Chair and Dr Therese Arseneau will be a new member. Current members Dr Linda Sissons CNZM and Daniel Wilson have ...1 week ago
- Scholarships honouring Ngarimu VC and the 28th (Māori) Battalion announcedFifteen ākonga Māori from across Aotearoa have been awarded the prestigious Ngarimu VC and 28th (Māori) Battalion Memorial Scholarships and Awards for 2023, Associate Education Minister and Ngarimu Board Chair, Kelvin Davis announced today. The recipients include doctoral, masters’ and undergraduate students. Three vocational training students and five wharekura students, ...1 week ago
- Appointment of Judge of the Court of Appeal and Judge of the High CourtHigh Court Judge Jillian Maree Mallon has been appointed a Judge of the Court of Appeal, and District Court Judge Andrew John Becroft QSO has been appointed a Judge of the High Court, Attorney‑General David Parker announced today. Justice Mallon graduated from Otago University in 1988 with an LLB (Hons), and with ...1 week ago
- NZ still well placed to meet global challengesThe economy has continued to show its resilience despite today’s GDP figures showing a modest decline in the December quarter, leaving the Government well positioned to help New Zealanders face cost of living pressures in a challenging global environment. “The economy had grown strongly in the two quarters before this ...1 week ago
- Western Ring Route CompleteAucklanders now have more ways to get around as Transport Minister Michael Wood opened the direct State Highway 1 (SH1) to State Highway 18 (SH18) underpass today, marking the completion of the 48-kilometre Western Ring Route (WRR). “The Government is upgrading New Zealand’s transport system to make it safer, more ...1 week ago
- Briefings to Incoming MinistersThis section contains briefings received by incoming ministers following changes to Cabinet in January. Some information may have been withheld in accordance with the Official Information Act 1982. Where information has been withheld that is indicated within the document. ...1 week ago
- Teaming up for a stronger, more resilient FijiAotearoa New Zealand Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta reaffirmed her commitment to working together with the new Government of Fiji on issues of shared importance, including on the prioritisation of climate change and sustainability, at a meeting today, in Nadi. Fiji and Aotearoa New Zealand’s close relationship is underpinned by the Duavata ...1 week ago
- Investment in blue highway a lifeline for regional economies and cyclone recoveryThe Government is delivering a coastal shipping lifeline for businesses, residents and the primary sector in the cyclone-stricken regions of Hawkes Bay and Tairāwhiti, Regional Development Minister Kiri Allan announced today. The Rangitata vessel has been chartered for an emergency coastal shipping route between Gisborne and Napier, with potential for ...1 week ago
- Next steps developing clean energy for NZThe Government will progress to the next stage of the NZ Battery Project, looking at the viability of pumped hydro as well as an alternative, multi-technology approach as part of the Government’s long term-plan to build a resilient, affordable, secure and decarbonised energy system in New Zealand, Energy and Resources ...1 week ago
- Statement from the Prime Minister on Stuart NashThis morning I was made aware of a media interview in which Minister Stuart Nash criticised a decision of the Court and said he had contacted the Police Commissioner to suggest the Police appeal the decision. The phone call took place in 2021 when he was not the Police Minister. ...1 week ago
- CPTPP Trade Ministers coming to AucklandThe Government’s sharp focus on trade continues with Aotearoa New Zealand set to host Trade Ministers and delegations from 10 Asia Pacific economies at a meeting of Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) Commission members in July, Minister for Trade and Export Growth Damien O’Connor announced today. “New Zealand ...1 week ago
- Govt approves $25 million extension for cyclone-affected businesses$25 million boost to support more businesses with clean-up in cyclone affected regions, taking total business support to more than $50 million Demand for grants has been strong, with estimates showing applications will exceed the initial $25 million business support package Grants of up to a maximum of $40,000 per ...1 week ago
- Fijian Drua and Moana Pasifika looking for 80min performances
The Fijian Drua will need to start and finish well, while Moana Pasifika’s coach wants to see a full 80-minute performance this weekend as the two regional teams continue their Super Rugby Pacific campaigns. The Drua tackle the Highlanders in Dunedin today and Pasifika face the Hurricanes at Mt Smart ...2 hours ago - PNG contractors plead for government to pay up after 12-year waitBy Todagia Kelola in Port Moresby A number of small contractors in Papua New Guinea are still waiting for positive feedback for money owed to them by government agencies after 12 years. A 2015 Post-Courier front page picture showed a man, David Goli, who chained himself at the then headquarters ...2 hours ago
- A new review into how teachers are educated should acknowledge they learn throughout their careers (...Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Beryl Exley, Professor, Griffith Institute for Educational Research, Griffith University, Griffith University Shutterstock Last August, the federal government set up an expert panel to look at the continuous improvement agenda in teacher education in Australia. The panel, led by ...9 hours ago
- Analysis: Teachers need a lot of things, another curriculum 'rewrite' isn't one
We all clearly want the best learning outcomes for our nation's children, but there are deep ideological divisions, writes Cathy Buntting. ...10 hours ago - The Winston Peters greatest hits hour
The New Zealand First leader took to the altar of an East Auckland church today to set out his 2023 election agenda. It was, as Stewart Sowman-Lund found out, pretty much what you’d expect. Winston Peters rolled into Howick today with a state of the nation speech that, he claimed ...11 hours ago - Woolworths is getting into telehealth – but patients need to be treated as more than customersSource: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Jon Wardle, Professor of Public Health, Southern Cross University Shutterstock Earlier this week, Australian retail giant Woolworths announced a move into health-care delivery via development of its subsidiary HealthyLife’s online portal. Through this portal, Australians can book a same-day ...11 hours ago
- Winston Peters rails against secret 'woke agenda' in campaign speechNew Zealand First leader Winston Peters - eyeing a political comeback - has used a scene-setting speech in Auckland warning against a "conceited, conniving, cultural cabal". ...12 hours ago
- At the 2023 Adelaide Festival, the best works shimmer with a brutal honesty on incarceration, exile ...Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By William Peterson, Adjunct Associate Professor, Auckland University of Technology The Sheep Song. Tim Standing/Daylight Breaks/Adelaide Festival Few Adelaideans remember a time before the Adelaide Festival. Formed in 1960 as a civic enterprise and financed against loss by prominent Adelaide businessmen, the ...13 hours ago
- Week in Politics: Minor parties could hold unprecedented influence post-electionAnalysis - The Greens lay down a challenge as the minor parties approach an election in which both National and Labour are going to need coalition partners to form a government, writes Peter Wilson. ...13 hours ago
- Repeal Fiji’s media law and start with ‘clean slate’, says CFL chiefBy Arieta Vakasukawaqa in Suva Communications Fiji Ltd (CFL) chair William Parkinson has called for a repeal of Fiji’s Media Industry Development Act 2010 and more discussion on the proposed Media Ownership and Registration Bill 2023. He said this during a public consultation on the review of MIDA Act 2010 ...13 hours ago
- Posie Parker wins the beautiful freedom to make an ugly argument
High Court Justice David Gendall regretfully allows anti-trans activist to enter New Zealand, but warns the expression of her views may be harmful to our vulnerable rainbow community. Jonathan Milne does his best to be civil. Opinion: Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull calls herself Posie Parker. And that's what I'm going to call her. Because she is ...13 hours ago - Guy Montgomery’s Guy Mont Spelling Bee is an absolute joyIt’s about time somebody made a wacky TV show about how bonkers spelling is. Enter comedian Guy Montgomery and his Guy Mont Spelling Bee. The three years since Covid-19 began have been pretty rocky, but one of the best things to come out of the chaos was Guy Montgomery’s Guy ...14 hours ago
- Psychologists Condemn Anti-trans Hate Speech And Urge The Government To Put Hate Speech Laws Back On...
Te Rōpū Mātai Hinengaro o Aotearoa, The New Zealand Psychological Society (NZPsS) stands beside LGBTQIA+ and Takatāpui communities rallying against anti-trans rhetoric in light of the impending visit of Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull (Posie Parker). We are ...14 hours ago - Shocking and controversial: MAFS Australia has outrated 1NewsEarlier this month, everybody’s favourite Monster of the Week series Married at First Sight Australia toppled 1News to become the highest rating television show for New Zealand viewers aged 25-54. The controversial reality series garnered an average audience of 137,000, or 6.7% audience share from March 5 until March 11. ...14 hours ago
- Ingredient of the week: FeijoasIt’s the most wonderful time of the year for feijoa lovers – here’s how to make the most of it. Fragrant and sweet, with a delicate jelly centre surrounded by gritty, tangy flesh, all encased in a green sour skin. My parents’ feijoa tree has just dropped its first fruit, ...14 hours ago
- The Friday Poem: ‘Bang a Drum’ by Maggie Rainey-SmithA new poem by poet and novelist Maggie Rainey-Smith. Bang a Drum We’ve hit Gentle Annie passed the pub at Okaramio and on the left, at Wakapuaka there’s Sunnybank where parents left their children An oddly named orphanage manned (ha) by Nuns childless women in black habits, scapula, cowls and ...14 hours ago
- Teachers need a lot of things right now, but another curriculum ‘rewrite’ isn’t one of themSource: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Cathy Buntting, Director, Wilf Malcolm Institute of Educational Research, University of Waikato Getty Images Less than a fortnight after teachers staged a national strike, education was back in the headlines with the National Party’s release of its curriculum policy – ...14 hours ago
- The Unity Books bestseller chart for the week ending March 24The only published and available best-selling indie book chart in New Zealand is the top 10 sales list recorded every week at Unity Books’ stores in High St, Auckland, and Willis St, Wellington. AUCKLAND 1 Birnam Wood by Eleanor Catton (Te Herenga Waka University Press, $38) Number one in both ...15 hours ago
- High Court Decision The Only Right Result For Nation That Values Free SpeechThe Free Speech Union welcomes the decision of the High Court to reject the application to overrule the decision of the Minister of Immigration to allow Kellie-Jay entry into New Zealand. This was the only right result for a nation that ...15 hours ago
- AI chatbots with Chinese characteristics: why Baidu’s ChatGPT rival may never measure upSource: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Fan Yang, Research Associate at RMIT and Alfred Deakin Institute, Deakin University Baidu’s ERNIE Bot was launched to considerable disappointment. Ng Han Guan / AP On March 16, Baidu unveiled China’s latest rival to OpenAI’s ChatGPT – ERNIE Bot (short for “Enhanced ...15 hours ago
- Ask Fiji military about ‘guns on plane’ claims, says Sayed-KhaiyumBy Meri Radinibaravi in Suva Former attorney-general Aiyaz Sayed-Khaiyum has told The Fiji Times to ask the Republic of Fiji Military Forces about claims that his bodyguards were allowed to take guns on to Fiji Link flights without proper authorisation. “I understand that there’s some enquiries going on regarding that ...15 hours ago
- Melbourne Now: a vast, sprawling and inspiring exhibition that seems to burst out of its architectur...Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Sasha Grishin, Adjunct Professor of Art History, Australian National University Installation view of Troy Emery’s work Mountain climber 2022 on display as part of the Melbourne Now exhibition at The Ian Potter Centre: NGV Australia, Melbourne from 24 March – 20 August ...15 hours ago
- KPIs are for businesses and boardrooms, not children and schoolsNational’s education policy reinforces an old-fashioned and hierarchical curriculum that does lasting harm to many students, writes educational specialist Dr Sarah Aiono. Announcing the National Party’s new education policy this week, leader Christopher Luxon cited a recent NCEA pilot in which two-thirds of students were unable to meet the minimum ...16 hours ago
- Last ditch attempt to stop anti-trans speaker from entering NZ failsAttempts by rainbow groups to stop an anti-trans campaigner entering the country have failed. The High Court has dismissed a judicial review application from Gender Minorities Aotearoa, InsideOUT Kōara and Auckland Pride, aimed at the immigration minister for allowing Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull into New Zealand. As part of the application, the ...16 hours ago
- Urgent hearing under way to determine if anti-trans speaker can enter NZThe High Court is this morning considering an interim order that would prevent an anti-trans campaigner from making it into New Zealand. Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull is expected to arrive on our shores today ahead of two planned rallies in Auckland and Wellington over the weekend. After immigration officials deemed her safe ...17 hours ago
- Statement From Mayor Paula Southgate: Hamilton’s LGNZ MembershipI was disappointed to see yesterday afternoon’s announcement that Auckland has chosen to leave Local Government NZ (LGNZ). Hamilton’s membership of LGNZ is one of collaboration and sharing. Being a member gives us important views from other ...17 hours ago
- Review: The Unruly Tourists is fun, but facileIt’s the most talked about local opera production in years – but does it live up to the chatter? The lowdown You’ve probably heard of the “unruly tourists”, the British family who created a media firestorm as they toured around the country leaving trash and turmoil in their wake. You’ve ...17 hours ago
- Ministry of Health removed trans advice after pressure from activistsAs reported by Newsroom’s Marc Daalder this morning, correspondence released under the Official Information Act shows advice about puberty blockers was removed from the Ministry of Health website “in the hopes it creates fewer queries” from anti-trans campaigners. The line that was removed from the site said puberty blockers “are ...18 hours ago
- Bryce Edwards’ Political Roundup: NZ needs to distance itself from Australia’s anti-China nucle...Analysis by Dr Bryce Edwards. Political Roundup: NZ needs to distance itself from Australia’s anti-China nuclear submarines The New Zealand Government has been silent about Australia’s decision to commit up to $400bn acquiring nuclear submarines, even though this is a significant threat to peace and stability in the Asia Pacific. The ...18 hours ago
- Secondary teachers confirm next strikeSecondary teachers will strike again next week after an agreement on improved pay and working conditions was not reached. The strike will take place on Wednesday, less than two weeks after thousands of educators took to the streets across the country. “PPTA Te Wehengarua members have shown they are serious ...18 hours ago
- Share Your Views On Human Rights Progress In Aotearoa New ZealandTe Kāhui Tika Tangata Human Rights Commission is encouraging organisations and individuals to share their views on human rights in Aotearoa New Zealand for the government’s upcoming report to the United Nations. The report informs a process ...18 hours ago
- Secondary And Area School Teachers Plan More Industrial ActionSecondary and area school teachers around the country have voted overwhelmingly in favour of more industrial action, including a one day national strike next Wednesday, in support of their collective agreement negotiations. “PPTA Te Wehengarua members ...18 hours ago
- Aaron Hawkins: Auckland Council has turned its back on the rest of the countryAt a time when our need for collective action is stronger than ever, Auckland Council has opted out to save each of its residents just 25c a year, writes former Dunedin mayor Aaron Hawkins. I grew up in rural Southland, in the shadows of the Cut The Cable movement. In ...19 hours ago
- Fishing for data: commercial fishers help monitor rising temperatures in coastal seasSource: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Julie Jakoboski, Oceanographic Data Scientist, Moana Project’s Te Tiro Moana Team Lead, MetService — Te Ratonga Tirorangi Moana project, CC BY-ND The world’s oceans are buffering us from the worst climate impacts by taking up more than 90% of the ...19 hours ago
- Political editors panel: Schools, lobbying, and trans rightsMorning Report - RNZ and Newsroom's political editors consider National's education pitch, and the political responses to lobbying revelations and Posie Parker. ...19 hours ago
- Free Speech Union Granted Intervening Status In Posie Parker Judicial ReviewThe Free Speech Union will be an intervener this morning as the High Court considers whether Immigration New Zealand's decision to allow Posie Parker (Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull) entry into New Zealand was legal, says Jonathan Ayling, Chief Executive of the Free ...19 hours ago
- Why is this Auckland club clinging to a ‘discriminatory’ dress-code rule?For over a decade, Manurewa Cosmopolitan Club has come under fire for denying entry to people wearing religious headwear. Despite the Human Rights Commission getting involved, it seems the rule remains unchanged. One of the definitions given by the Oxford dictionary for the word cosmopolitan is: “including people from many ...20 hours ago
- Listen: How Labour just hurt the Emissions Trading SchemeChris Hipkins’ dump of Ardern-era policy has potentially jeopardised a major part of the government’s climate change response. In this week’s episode of When the Facts Change, Bernard Hickey talks to climate policy expert Christina Hood from Climate Compass to find out why this month’s Emissions Trading Scheme auction failed and ...20 hours ago
- LGNZ head confused by Wayne Brown’s claim about drunken conferenceThe head of Local Government NZ, the group representing councils across the country, has hit back at claims made by Auckland mayor Wayne Brown. It was his casting vote that saw Auckland Council leave the representative group yesterday evening, with councillors divided on whether or not it was the right ...20 hours ago
- A new study on Australian volcanoes has changed what we know about explosive ‘hotspot’ volcanismSource: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Al-Tamini Tapu, Geoscientist, The University of Queensland Warrumbungle national park. colinslack/Shutterstock Our new study published in Nature Geoscience on an ancient chain of Australian volcanoes is helping to change our understanding of “hotspot” volcanism. You may be surprised to learn eastern ...20 hours ago
- Time to grow up: Australia’s national security dilemma demands a mature debateSource: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Matthew Sussex, Fellow, Strategic and Defence Studies Centre, Australian National University There’s been a lot of recent shouting about Australia’s national security policy. It began with the Nine newspapers’ “Red Alert” extravaganza, spread over multiple articles. Featuring a graphic of warplanes ...20 hours ago
- Want an easy $400 a year? Ditch the gas heater in your home for an electric split systemSource: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Rachel Goldlust, Adjunct Research Fellow, School of Archaeology and History, La Trobe University Shutterstock Earlier this month, regulators flagged electricity price rises in Queensland, New South Wales, Victoria and South Australia. Like many people, you’re probably wondering how you can ...20 hours ago
- 4-day work week trials have been labelled a ‘resounding success’. But 4 big questions need answe...Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Anthony Veal, Adjunct Professor, Business School, University of Technology Sydney Shutterstock A little more than a century ago, most people in industrialised countries worked 60 hours a week – six ten-hour days. A 40-hour work week of five eight-hour days ...20 hours ago
- The gaming audience is ‘queerer than ever’ – so how are game creators responding?Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Xavier Ho, Lecturer in Interaction Design, Monash University Sony Entertainment Mainstream games are embracing openly queer characters – and so are many of their players and fans. The Last of Us, the prestige HBO adaptation of the critically lauded ...20 hours ago
- The Bulletin: Let’s Get Wellington Moving consultant costs in the crosshairsThe capital’s transport overhaul will have spent $130 million on consultant fees by the end of next year, Stuff reports. Let’s Get Wellington Moving (LGWM) expects to spend $60 million on outside experts in the coming year, after already spending $38.5m in the past three years and $35m this year. Greater ...21 hours ago
- How Labour just hurt the Emissions Trading SchemeChris Hipkins’ dump of Ardern-era policy has potentially jeopardised a major part of the government’s climate change response. Bernard Hickey talks to climate policy expert Christina Hood from Climate Compass to find out why this month’s Emissions Trading Scheme auction failed and how she feels cabinet have destroyed confidence in ...21 hours ago
- National’s ‘back to basics’ plan to address the literacy crisisChristopher Luxon says the policy is what’s needed to address serious issues with reading, writing and maths in primary schools. Others aren’t so sure, writes Catherine McGregor in this excerpt from The Bulletin, The Spinoff’s morning news round-up. To receive The Bulletin in full each weekday, sign up here. Back ...21 hours ago
- Flood-affected Aucklanders breathe a sigh of rates relief
Although Auckland Council’s big cleanup following this year’s extreme weather events continues, “things are getting more difficult at this point”. Five weeks after Cyclone Gabrielle, some 7,000 Aucklanders remain impacted by the aftermath of the floods, slips and heavy winds that battered the region in January and February. Auckland Council’s ...23 hours ago - A new motorway took all the traffic away – but don’t write Huntly off just yetA traffic bypass stole 20,000 potential daily visitors from its main streets and local businesses. Three years on, how are the Waikato town’s 9,000 residents coping? The tourism centre is closed – “permanently”, says the sign. The cafe next door, once called River Haven, now with two missing letters making ...23 hours ago
- A year on from the death of Levi James, what’s changed for Auckland cyclists?After a 19-year-old was killed while riding his bike on a dangerous stretch of Auckland road, the tragedy became a rallying call to make the city safer for cyclists. Tommy de Silva looks at what’s been achieved in the 12 months since. On March 5, 2022, 19-year-old Levi James was ...24 hours ago
- Health advice scrubbed due to anti-trans pressure
Pressure from anti-transgender activists led the Ministry of Health to remove health advice regarding puberty blockers from its website. ...24 hours ago - Bring back the Ministry of Works
The now defunct ministry is the kind of agency needed to fix our current infrastructure disaster - not Civil Defence and independent sub-contracting and consulting firms. ...24 hours ago - Twinkle toes teen runs riot in world sevens
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Someone could be injured, or worse, during this year’s election campaign, warns James Shaw ...24 hours ago - Airport share sales fraught with difficulty – but retaining ownership is costly
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well done Phil McCarthy – let’s see what the rest of the msm do with it…
It’s a sad indictment on the media that some guy from the Southland Times to actually follow the money. That should be the first rule of journalism, but again they’ve let us down. This should have been out weeks ago when Shadbolt was being feted by the media as the saviour of education, democracy and little Johnny Key.
speaking of which
http://www.website.net.nz/wp-content/uploads/286883.jpg
What business is it of yours if some wealthy businessmen choose to use their money to bring down this corrupt government? So what if they were in the hollow men? It’s called freedom of choice, but then you socialists wouldn’t know what that means.
Is this the same Talley that told a bunch of school children that animals shouldn’t have rights and that he wants to “kill and eat” them?
“Invercargill Mayor Tim Shadbolt yesterday said he was not aware of Friends of SIT supporters the Talley brothers’ alleged links to the National Party.”
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Can the man be any more stupid?
For the benefit of any naive souls who think Shadbolt had never heard of the Talleys until last month:
http://www.nzfarmersweekly.co.nz/article/3220.html
“It’s called freedom of choice, but then you socialists wouldn’t know what that means.”
Sure we do watcher. In fact, by providing people with information like this we provide more freedom of choice. Now people are free to choose to support a campaign backed by the Talley brothers or not. If Shadbolt had his way people would not be free to make that choice as they would not have been informed. Just think of us as consumer watchdogs.
“For the benefit of any naive souls who think Shadbolt had never heard of the Talleys until last month:”
Oh dear.
Wait a second, are you seriously trying to tell us that a gang-related shooting is a workplace accident… You’ve got to be fucking kidding, right?
I cannot understand why ACC aren’t being persecuted in public for that.
Phil, the Talleys agreed to take responsibility for all injuries on their premises regardless of fault in exchange for reduced ACC levies:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0712/S00203.htm
They were happy to get a discount from the taxpayer when it suited them, and as soon as it didn’t they changed tack. If anyone should be persecuted it’s the Talleys for trying to perpetuate this rort on the public, and the Nats for shamelessly backing them.
The Talley’s plants in regional New Zealand dominate the economies of the small towns of which they are a part of.
Yet almost every former employee I have met (and I know a lot as I am originally from Motueka) despises their employee relations directive, and typically look back on that period of employment if not the worst, one of the in their working lives.
I’m also not aware of many major community projects in the Tasman region (Nelson-GB/Motueka) or initiatives of which they are a part. The worst part is that Peter and Michael’s father was an immigrant from Eastern Europe, and yet they feel no sense of gratitude towards the community or country. Maybe philantropy simply isn’t part of their make-up.
Phil – I’d imagine you’ll find it is covered by the contract Talley agreed to. in fact it appears their own board of directers agreed to it:
“Affco’s board of directors made the decision to give Mr Storey work-related cover.”
And their own spokesperson says:
“There has always been a difference between law and common sense, and in this case the law flies in the face of common sense,”
Form what I can see Talleys entered into a legal contract, made a bad decision and got burned and now they’ve gone crying to the courts about it. Perhaps they should take some personal responsibility for their own business decisions and stop trying to get a handout from the taxpayer.
If this was a contract between Talleys and a private provider would you feel the same sense of outrage?
The facts behind the Affco/ACC myth-story were outlined in the Herald on Sunday by David Fisher, but the story is not online. Spin seems to have won the day, sadly.
See Russell Brown’s piece in Hard News:
http://www.publicaddress.net/default,hardnews,215.sm
Damn! I wish I’d seen that Public Address story, it would’ve saved me a lot of googling!
PROBABLY being propped up!
Irish Bill, you are probably a dickhead. However my use of the word probably (much like yours) does not make it a statement of fact.
He said , she said blah blah blah….
It is a terrible thing to see sad lefties turn on one of their own.
Bill, good to see you are back posting here. I used the word “probably” because Shadbolt obviously danced his way around the questions but didn’t do a very good job of it the quote:
“When I got interested in the issue I pledged confidentiality and I’ve got to stick to that. I’m not prepared to say (how much money the Talleys gave).
Show it’s highly likely as does the fact that he’s previously claimed they are supporters of the campaign.
Actually Bill, now that I read the quotes again I think you’re probably right – consider that “probably” gone.
“he said, she said”??
Actually, Shadbolt said:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/thepress/4327453a19756.html
Get fucking real – that’s not real journalism. Let’s look at the story:
“Mr Hager’s book claims Nelson businessmen Michael and Peter Talley, who have business interests in Southland, offered Don Brash $1 million to help get the National Party elected in the 2005 election. The book alleges Dr Brash entertained the idea but it was never taken up.
The Talleys have said the claim is rubbish, and when contacted this week by The Southland Times, Michael Talley reiterated this and said his family was not aligned to any political party.”
The limp lefty journo got his info from reading the Hollow Men! What a fucking joke. So because Nicky Hager reckons the Talleys might have offered Brash a mill, and Talleys have said they support the Southern Institute of Technology, therefore they want to bring down the Government?
You guys couldn’t find your arse with both hands, let alone a decent facts-based argument. Dickheads.
Michael and Peter Talley have exception lawyers .
are they the ones they used for their ACC exception?
The Talleys’ involvement with National is not in doubt. It is not a “claim”, but a fact, with detailed, documented evidence. Read Chapter 15.
Pingo you sound like the kind of fool who can’t tell when he’s being spun a line. It’s people like you that allow right-wing politicians to get away with their crap because they know you’ll believe it. That doesn’t make you special, it makes you a tool.
The Hollow Men has documentary evidence of Brash saying the Talleys’ laywer Nick Davidson had brought him an offer of $1 million to help get National elected. He told his advisor Brian Sinclair: “They are saying that they can find a million dollars to encourage us to do certain things”, such as hiring campaign consultants. Sinclair replied: “Yes, they say they can source the million they have spoken of all by themselves.” It was then suggested by the Talleys that a front company called Vto be created so the money could be funnelled through it to avoid electoral law. (Pages 243-246).
There’s also evidence of Peter Talley giving National strategy advice at a regional conference (see the link in this post), as well as his racist tactics of targeting immigration and focusing on the Maori seats.
The Talleys are proven liars with strong National party connections. You shouldn’t let them take you for a fool.
Nicky Hager……… Impartial………. Not
You should get him posting here ladies. He would fit in very well with the rest of you numptys at the axis of stupid.
He has a lot in common with many of you, never had a job. Adds no value.
Bill, it’s primary source material. Your opinion of Nicky Hager doesn’t matter – it’s indisputable evidence.
Primary source material…. That nobody has seen or is allowed to be seen. purportedly genuine correspondence that was supposedly stolen, THAT IS NOT INDISPUTABLE EVIDENCE.
Can I assume from your forthright defense of hager that you agree with everything he says and has written.
Bill that’s pretty weak. No one, not even Brash, has been able to deny the accuracy of the emails. Nor has anyone taken a case, despite the large number of wealthy interests with access to vast legal resources who were exposed by the book.
And of course I don’t agree with everything Nicky’s ever written, but I’m not so blind as to refuse to believe the documented evidence in his book.
Just saw you’ve done a post on us on your website Bill, good to know we’ve got you talking.
http://barnsleybill.blogspot.com/2008/01/axis-of-stupid-unmasked.html
Did you set up the Robinsod parody blog you linked to?
http://robinslob.blogspot.com/
You give him far too much credit.
remind me again why Brash resigned
not me.
Remind me again what your hero Hager thought of your beloved EFA.
He gave a submission supporting it.
http://www.thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/hager.pdf
But this isn’t a debate about the EFA, so let’s keep it on topic eh?
You brought hager into the discussion. And you have not read it if you claim he supported it.
Furthermore NOBODY has seen the emails, including Helen’s police force who declined the request to investigate the alleged theft.
Too busy NOT doing things like arresting and charging your mate Len Richards with an assault everybody in the country with a TV witnessed.
It is a bloody tragedy what that Woman has done to this country
“It is a bloody tragedy what that Woman has done to this country”
Bloody economic Growth
Bloody Unemployment rate one of the lowest in the OECD
Bloody not following Oz into Iraq
Bill , Like it or like it not. NZ is doing really quite well at the moment, There are of course areas that need work
but overall things are pretty good.
Bill, read it again, and look at his written submission:
http://www.parliament.nz/NR/rdonlyres/1361AFAC-9530-4E40-9D6C-CB60F43799F6/65014/NickyHager1.pdf
The rest of your comment isn’t worth addressing.
Bill: “NOBODY has seen the emails …”
This is false. They were seen and used as a source for stories even before the 2005 election, a year before Hager’s book was published e.g. Ruth Laugesen in the Sunday Star-Times:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0508/S00226.htm
why does anyone bother responding to these lame rightwing posts that are just abuse and/or rehash points that have been demonstrated to be false dozens of times? It’s just tedious and I read this blog for news I won’t get elsewhere, not to read ravings from idiots who don’t back down even when their claims have been utterly discredited.
Barnsley Bill
Our Prime Minister, Helen Clark has been leading our country for eight years, so I presume what she has done to our country only really affects 0-8 year olds, because we all know that the first seven years of a person’s life determines their adult outcomes.
Adults, on the other hand will already have formed their beliefs and will have judged any changes according to their individual makeup.
Even then, if you hold our Prime Minister responsible for any tweens getting into trouble, you would then have to hold responsible the parents, the financial marketers who have brainwashed Kiwis into thinking they can have it all NOW, the previous money driven governments with a huge preponderance of mennnnnnnnnnnnnn, et cetera.
I assume you are over eight so please consider carefully what you feel personally aggrieved about, because we need to consider you as a person fashioned from many sources and why you as a person hate the Prime Minister so much, when there are so many other people, men and women, who consider she has brought back the very soul of New Zealand from disasters wrought upon Kiwis by Douglas and Richardson and strengthened New Zealanders against what will be a difficult future, considering current international issues.
Please list what our Prime Minister is responsible for, according to YOU BB. I’m interested to know. When you do that, please also explain when it occurred, why YOU think it occurred and how YOU would have done it better.
I also noticed your post talking about ‘having Nicky Hager on this blog site ‘ladies’. Did you mean this as an insult to the males on this site because you think that ‘ladies’ are somehow inferior? Is this part of the reason you hate the Prime Minister so much?
Jum
Helen Klark is going to be exposed for what she really is and the back lash for Labour will take decades to fix, because many voters will be disgusted when the truth is revealed .
Honesty is always the best policy, as that way you got nothing than can surface and cause impending doom. I am glad I am not in her shoes !!
Jum let’s not indulge Barnsley Bill and Dad4Justice on this one. They’re not interested in talking about the issue here, they just want to bang on about how much they hate Helen Clark. They’re ill-informed psychos and I don’t think we should let them change the subject.
“when there are so many other people, men and women, who consider she has brought back the very soul of New Zealand from disasters wrought upon Kiwis by Douglas and Richardson and strengthened New Zealanders against what will be a difficult future, considering current international issues”
Funnily enough she has never been able to claim to lead a majority supported government. Hmmm
Also, according to your argument we really can’t attribute much to the government since there are so many influences on human behaviour and social outcomes. Makes me wonder how YOU can imply the government is so great and villify those who might take issue with that statement.
Jum. Lemsip’s last comment is why you don’t indulge these freaks. They don’t want to talk about their hero Shadbolt’s martyrdom campaign being funded by the Hollow Men, they just want a place to relieve their obsessive hatred of Helen Clark.
Doesn’t it bother you Lemsip that Shadbolt’s campaign against the Electoral Finance Act is being backed by the very people who corrupted our electoral laws in the first place? Don’t you see a vested interest here for weaker, more corruptable electoral law on the part of the Talleys? And are these really the kind of people you want pulling the strings on the right?
James where did I say Shadbolt was my hero? How did I support any of his actions? How did I display hatred of Helen Clark?
“…the very people who corrupted our electoral laws in the first place?” Who was that again?
http://www.oag.govt.nz/2006/election-spending
As for the Affco thing, it seems more than a bit weird to me that an employer should be responsible for an inury suffered in their carpark as a result of a gang shooting. Seems like a pretty dumb contract to have entered into. Wouldn’t mind seeing what it said. Would ACC have been liable if the contract had not been signed?
Billy that link is a pathetic attempt at distraction. This thread is about Tim Shadbolt’s dodgy dealings with Talleys, not National, Labour, the Greens, NZ First and United Future’s run-in with the auditor-general. Try to stay on topic.
And the AFFCO situation is a simple case of contract law. They knew what they were getting into, and it didn’t work out for them. It turned out to be a bad business decision and now they’re trying to load the cost onto the taxpayer. They have no case, as they’ve admitted themselves, so they’ve resorted to PR. And it looks like National’s willing to back their secret donors against the taxpayer. I’m don’t know why you seem to think any of this is worth defending.
Morning Tane,
I hardly started the “you tried to steal the election” stuff. I was just trying to instroduce some balance.
As for the Affco thing, where did I say anything different to what you said? If they entered into a dumb contract they should be held to it, no matter how weird it seems.
Billy, yes ACC would have been liable if not for the contract.
lemsip: Funnily enough she has never been able to claim to lead a majority supported government. Hmmm
That’s a pretty basic misunderstanding of MMP. In any parliamentary system in fact, a government has majority support if they have the confidence of the house.
PB,
I think the question I should have asked was: would it have been considered a workplace accident for ACC purposes if not for the contract?
Well, somebody (in fact, quite a few people) have seen it but the fact that nobody except the intended recipient was supposed to see it could only indicate that it was leaked. As for it being “supposedly stolen”, well, that could only have happened if it actually existed in the first place. All this indicates that the “purportedly genuine correspondence” is, as a matter of fact, genuine and indisputable.
Funnily enough, neither has National. In fact, almost all National governments since 1936 have had less support than the Labour opposition.
Seen it yourself have you Draco? Know anybody other than hager who can claim to have seen it? No? Didn’t think so.
You clowns just don’t get it, completely fixated on how people propose to spend their own money when the real criminals just dipped into the public purse after being told not to and then when caught just ramrodded retrospective legislation through to legalise it.
Numptys one and all.
NATIONAL PRESS RELEASE JAN 2008 “Don Brash Leader of the National Party, today won the court case against Nicky Hager for the lies and half truths propagated in his book “The Hollow man. Mr Brash said I’m glad I didn’t resign, this decision shows that my stance has been vidicated.
would it have been considered a workplace accident for ACC purposes if not for the contract?
Why would this have been a better question? The point is that they signed a contract accepting liabilty for the things normally covered by ACC on their property. In return they avided having to pay ACC levies. Now they are up for monies that ACC would normally pay and they are trying to back out of the deal. In essence they are trying to breach the contract and cage a freeride off people who stayed inside the ACC system.
So how would your revised question shed any light? You may find it weird that ACC covers this type of thing, but that is an unrelated point. The only question here is are the Talley’s acting like wankers?
What I find interesting and slightly more relevent is how the supposedly left wing media have covered this case, barely mentioning the contract which is the central issue.
Barnsley Bill
Your ability to ignore answers and repeat the same question is very amusing but hardly effective debate.
Follow link in my post above. Then acknowledge your error. Thank you.
Calm down, PB.
I know it’s not central to the issue, but as a related point, I simply wondered whether an employer who had not entered into such a contract would suffer higher ACC levies as a result of an injury of this kind beign treated as a work place accident. If they would, it is dumb.
That’s all I was wondering.
James Kearney
I see your point. I’ll just watch for a while and learn, and check in again later. But please ask Dad4Justice to spell our Prime Minister’s name correctly. I don’t want to add stupidity to his many issues.
Meanwhile, your site’s ability to put two sides to each sensationalised story in the media is great. Keep up the good work.
Thank you
Jum- I don’t write for the standard, I comment here like you do. I’m just getting sick of idiot right-wingers coming here and trying to disprupt it for the rest of us.
“That’s a pretty basic misunderstanding of MMP. In any parliamentary system in fact, a government has majority support if they have the confidence of the house.”
I wonder why they call it a minority coalition government then?
Here’s a member of the 2002-2005 minority coalition government:
“What the voting record shows is that our minority coalition government, with just 53 of the 120 seats, has gone to extraordinary lengths to reach out and build very broad-based consensus among opposition parties to advance our legislation.”
http://www.progressive.org.nz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1484
Here’s a memebr of 1999-2002 minority coalition government:
In just 10 years since the first MMP election, MMP has evolved and set new constitutional norms. Minority governments and coalition governments and even minority coalition governments have become usual.
http://www.greens.org.nz/searchdocs/speech9851.html
And here is the Office of the Clerk:
Minority coalition & two or more parties with a combined total of 50 percent or fewer of the seats join together to form a Government, with an agreement with another party/parties on confidence votes.
http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/PubRes/About/FactSheets/0/e/7/0e7b11a6a32841bca7848ed6d9bb508e.htm
Need More Pascal? Crawl back under your rock
James please answer my questions. You accused me of something so please have the deceny to give me your rationale (other than some generic crap) or withdraw your comments.
Pascal Bookie this is how the Office of the Clerk describes a minority coalition government:
Minority coalition & two or more parties with a combined total of 50 percent or fewer of the seats join together to form a Government, with an agreement with another party/parties on confidence votes.
Please tell me how that doesn’t accurately reflect each of Helen CLark’s governments?
Lemsip I was referring to Barnsely, Dad and you. You’re better than them but my point was by answering the right’s attempts to disrupt you’re only encouraging them to go on anti-Helen rants and cloud the issue.
Back to censorship now girls ??
[Only of you Dad. Start behaving yourself.]
one slight correction – the greens were of course not part of the 1999-2002 govt they merely propped it up
suck it up righties
suck it up lemon face .
Billy,
If they had not entered into the contract, ACC would have been liable for the claim. This is because, although the shooting was, by definition, not an ‘accident’, it was an injury that occurred in the workplace. ACC’s definition is well-covered in the Public Address thread, particularly here: http://www.publicaddress.net/system/topic,901,hard_news_never_let_the_facts_.sm?p=38980#post38980
“Minority coalition & two or more parties with a combined total of 50 percent or fewer of the seats join together to form a Government, with an agreement with another party/parties on confidence votes.
Please tell me how that doesn’t accurately reflect each of Helen CLark’s governments?”
It reflects them perfectly. The bolded part means that the minority govt is supported by other parties on C&S (which is what counts).
Here’s what you said originally:
“Funnily enough she has never been able to claim to lead a majority supported government.”
It’s no biggie lemsip, and I’m sorry if I got your back up. But what you said was just plain wrong. All of Clarks goverments have had majority support, without having a majority in their own right.
“tim shadbolt’s dodgy dealings with talleys”
Fuck Tane Tutae you dumb fuck. The original post is based on a journalist interviewing their navel after reading a book predicated on dodgy evidence.
You guys really are a bad advertisement for socialism…any ism, in fact.
Bitter taste lemsip?
Could some clever youngster please list all the elections in which more people have voted Labour than have voted National?
(just think all our new-found FFFDs (freedom-fighters for democracy) might be interested – seeing as how they’re all so deeply concerned about our precious democratic system)
Crivens! Tim Shadbolt is Phil McCarthy’s navel.
Who knew?
i stand corrected
kudos.
Like I said it’s no biggie, bloody trivial in fact, and I’m sorry if I came across as harsh, I just read it and thought ‘whaaaa?’
I’ll get back under my rock now. 😉
Buggerlugs see the link to The Press further up the thread. So much ill-thought out abuse – I’m noticing a pattern with the folks coming over from Kiwiblog.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/thepress/4327453a19756.html
I wonder if the Talley brothers give donate some money so our dysfunctional health system can treat some sick people on hospital waiting lists ?
“Could some clever youngster please list all the elections in which more people have voted Labour than have voted National?”
1935 (counting Reform/United as National), 1938, 1943, 1946, 1957, 1972, 1978, 1981, 1984, 1987, 1999, 2002, and 2005. Labour also came within a handful of votes in outpolling National in 1954 (though lost the seat count by a fair margin), and 1993 (where it was Nat 35% Lab 34% and Alliance 18%).
In fact, the only occasions in the last 36 years where the Nats have really beaten Labour are 1975 and 1990. In 1978 and 1981 Labour got more votes but lost the election, in 1993 there was a split Labour/Alliance vote, and in 1996 you had Winston Peters and his “vote for me and get rid of National” promise.
d4j i’m happy to get you treated now, where do i send the cheque?
Many thanks DS:
“In fact, the only occasions in the last 36 years where the Nats have really beaten Labour are 1975 and 1990.”
Billboard-worthy. Where were our tory freedom-fighters and our fearless and valiant Heraldic defender of democracy all those years?
Is this post a party political advertisement for the Labour party?
Other contributors to Shadbolt’s folly include the Richardson Group and NZAS. Owners of these firms are well know to lean hard right.
And who is funding these attacks on Shadbolt? And what are their political persuasions? And what is hard right anyway? Or is it just an elastic term of abuse for those you disagree with?
Your right, we should follow the money. Is this blog supported (through cash or kind) by any NZ political parties, unions or lobby groups?
I feel rather sorry for old Tim. He’s thrown all his jellybeans out the cot.
From Lovable Leftie to Tory Stooge.
The Standard
Have I got this correct, you are posting that Shadbolt is funded by the hollow men when it appears that Labour funds the standard?
Did you forget to mention it on the “about” page or is it something you hypocrites at the standard don’t want to talk about? It’s a bit like supporting the requirement for people to publish their full name and residential address when expressing political opinions – while posting anonymously.
You guys are epitomise why people are turning away from the Labour party. “Do as I say and not as I do – we know how to run your lives better than you do”.
Burt man you’re behind the times. Lynne Prentice explained it all on the Kiwiblog thread last night. You’ve got like 24hrs to catch up on. Russel Brown’s even gone and summed it up nice and simple for ya-
http://publicaddress.net/default,4762.sm
Daveo
Public Address executes a perfect “Ad hominem tu quoque” ( see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem ) with;
Not cutting it for me sorry, they just gave me an IP address is sounding a lot like ‘they just gave me money’ to me…
well burt try reading it again
think cock up not conspiricy
tim is a twerp
“The actions of Invercargill Mayor Tim Shadbolt had brought the whole city into disrepute, a senior city councillor said at last night’s meeting’
http://www.stuff.co.nz/southlandtimes/4379741a6011.html
Wow
judging from the extremely childish, finger pointing, mudslinging & name-calling nature of the above posts I can only assume that you are all beehive politians behavior practising for their next day’s ‘work’
The goofy thing is that most of you are most likely adults and that most likely makes me mostly decide that no matter who wins what election & wether or not whatever government is, has been or will be brought down would not make the slightest bit of difference anyway as things would probably just carry on exactly as they do regardless.
God save the future from the present which is most likely just a never ending rerun of the past.
all things being equal tim is still a twerp…hehehe