Shaw interview – we have a crony capitalist state
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Good interview with new Greens co-leader James Shaw on RNZ this morning. I don’t have time to transcribe, but here’s a summary:
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Shaw’s main focus will be climate change. He has issued a challenge John Key to find common cause on climate change, the issue is bigger than politics.
He rules out formal coalition with National. Greens have more in common with Labour, “the distance with National is too great”.
He will draw on his business background to reach out to business.
The Greens support a mixed economy as transition sustainable smart green economy. We don’t have “free market capitalism”. After 2008 governments around the world guaranteed financial institutions. Profits are privatised but risks and costs are socialised – “which to me is not free market capitalism”. “We need to be honest about the system that we’ve got”. “What we’ve allowed in New Zealand and around the world is a sort of a crony capitalist state to creep in”.
He want to revive the memorandum of understanding with National. Starting with climate change, but looking for other areas of common cause. Espiner: what’s in it for National?. Policy stability long term, such as the stability around superannuation.
Espiner returns to his main question – why tie yourselves to Labour? Do you want a formal Labour Green arrangement and signal to voters? Shaw: we need to present an alternative government to National – people are looking for stability and mature government.
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Not a perfect interview from Shaw, but a very good one. Creeping crony capitalism has a certain ring to it…
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Going by his photographs, he reminds me of Colin Firth. Good start. How will the Dirty Poltical MSM work on James? How long before it cranks into gear? Counting down …
actual LOL at the Colin Firth comment. Shaw should probably prepare himself for that too.
The thing that people dont get about National is that they are the self confessed undemocratic party in NZ read their founding document
SMILIN,
Explain why you make this assertion. I am very familiar with the Rules of the Party which set out in Rule 4 the vision and values of the National Party.
Well, at its foundation, its principles were proclaimed to be:
It doesn’t enunciate what those “individual rights” are, but its chief focus was around property and business. Given the history of National governments over the years – the reinstatement of the death penalty in 1949, the waterfront dispute in 1951, the Springbok tour 30 years later – history has shown National to veer authoritarian on the political spectrum.
You will not get a kiwi Saver payout without creeping crony capitalism.
The Green/Labor savings scam is based on economic growth, economic growth is based on turning planet earth into a waste land.
These are the best people this sick society can produce, we are stuffed.
And Key has flat out rejected the offer cos there’s nothing in it for the govt, he reckons.
Shaw has rejected even the possibility of a deal with National so it shows hes not really serious and only wants the political oxygen National could give him
um. Did you not read the above article re:Memorandum of Understanding?
muddying the waters comes naturally to some who live under bridges
Memorandum of Understanding means virtually nothing, its votes that count and National can’t count on the Greens vote
Which means the Greens have (once again) put themselves at the mercy of Winston Peters
and the Greens have put themselves at the mercy of all those people who did not turn out to vote last election. Oh noes.
The problem the Greens have is its up to Winston whether the Greens get into parliament
Winston could go with National
Winston could go with Labour at the expense of the Greens if Labour get enough votes
Winston could go with Labour and allow the Greens in as well
Whats Winston most likely to do?
Or the Greens may help Labour lift their combined vote enough so Winston doesn’t matter. Think bold.
So you think Winston is most likely going to go with National then…not like it hasn’t happend before and I’m sure he wouldn’t mind being called Sir Winston Peters one day
I don’t trust the man enough to predict what he would do. Better to make him irrelevant by Lab and Greens getting their shit together.
Yeah but thats the thing though isn’t last time it came down to it Labour chose Peter Dunne and Winston Peters over the Greens
Also remember when Winston was going to go with Labour and then whoops ended up with National
At the moment its pie in the sky to to think that Labour and the Greens can go from combined 38% in 2014 to leading in 2017
Winston has Labour (and possibly National) by the short and curlies and by rejecting National the Greens have thrown away their bargining chip
Keep believing the worst if you wish.
you need to open your mind to more than one way to skin a cat. Oh, and to understand what a MOU is before pronouncing it useless.
25 years without being in power makes the Greens nothing more than a lobby group, a successful lobby group mind you but still a lobby group
There is nothing here to suggest that’ll change in the next couple of elections
Puckish Rogue thinks that the Greens are somehow less of a political party because, as a mere “successful lobby group, they can get their policy implemented while not even being in Cabinet.
🙄
They get very little policy implemented and the policy they do is minor
Yes they got insulation in homes which didn’t cost National much and was good for National anyway
Hows the climate change going for the Greens?
Think about where NZ was in the early 90s with regards to CC and where we are now, and then try arguing that the GP hasn’t influenced NZ on this.
Ditto child poverty issues more recently.
Here’s the achievements list from 2013, you can see other years in the links to the right of their page,
(sorry for the long cut and paste, but I thought it would save a whole bunch of wasted time on more of PR’s astroturfing),
https://home.greens.org.nz/achievements
Imagine what they could do if they put the country ahead of their pride and announced they could go into coilition National
I can imagine … Sweet FA.
Freudian slip there, PR.
And you’re purposefully ignoring that it’s up to the Green membership whether they choose to lie in that particular bed of snakes, should the time come.
Tui Mine mine cleanup as part of MoU with National.??
The websites from DoC and Waikato RC have NO mention of a MOU, or Green party for that matter for the remediation work.
“160,000 man hours of planning, management, engineering and construction time plus $21.7 million dollars were invested into the project.”
http://www.doc.govt.nz/our-work/tui-mine/
Have you been airbrushed out of History ?
Or was the TUi mine NOT in the MoU and has been claimed as an afterthought. Have you been doing a “Dole” – as they did with ethical bananas.
The MoU, I have seen lists only Home insulation, energy efficiency and regulation of natural health products.
There could have been some agreement , But I would love to see ‘real’ evidence of that
“Imagine what they could do if they put the country ahead of their pride and announced they could go into coilition National”
As a GP member that’s exactly what I’ve imagined which is why I support the current position to not go into a National govt.
You’re getting boring now PR. Address the actual points or fuck off.
“Tui Mine mine cleanup as part of MoU with National.??”
from google,
https://blog.greens.org.nz/2011/05/24/greens-team-up-with-national-in-tui-mine-clean-up/
May 24, 2011 NZ Green Party
Green MP Catherine Delahunty with Environment Minister Nick Smith at the MOU signing in the Beehive this morning.
In another success story for MMP, Green MP Catherine Delahunty today announced a joint initiative with the National Party to clean up New Zealand’s most toxic site — Te Aroha’s Tui Mine.
@the duke
https://blog.greens.org.nz/2013/05/09/tui-mine-healing-the-maunga/
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1305/S00009/green-party-welcomes-tui-mine-clean-up.htm
I know that Catherine has worked long and hard on this and many similar projects over recent years.
So the Greens are simultaneously a “successful lobby group” and they “get very little policy implemented and the policy they do is minor”.
When we observe PR at any particular instant, his waveform collapses and we find out which way he’s spinning at that particular point in time…
The personification of Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle 🙂
how’s climate change going for everyone?
He articulated clearly over the weekend the distinction between a coalition deal and a cross-party consensus agreement on climate change.
He can articulate whatever he likes but (and its a pretty big but) hes the co-leader of a 11% party, National is a 47% party which means Shaw doesn’t have much leverage to work worth
National is a 47% party with a caucus of incompetents and sociopaths which means Shaw doesn’t have much leverage to work worth.
FIFY.
lol.
In PR’s world, it’s the man with the biggest club that wins. Doesn’t matter how stupid they are.
Yes, in my world its the party with the most votes that can form a government and take control of the treasury benches that wins
Indeed.
Such a shame that the ability to become PM doesn’t seem to correlate at all with the skillset required to competently govern a country.
You’re the poster boy for macho politics PR.
Yet the people of NZ seem to think he does and so enough people vote for him and his support partners for him to stay uin power and the left, well the left could fill a dam with the amount of tears they cry
Well, a third do, a third don’t, and most of the remainder seem to have gone all Mercutio.
But like I said, it’s such a shame that the nats can’t govern as adeptly as they manage to get elected.
Yep, the problem is more widespread than just the fools in National………
but, ya know, the majority is always onto it ….
the mad world of the right wing and its even madder concepts of what constitutes winning ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Will you still be laughing when John Keys returned to power in 2017 or is that not “winning”
for sure
except it will likely have turned to tears at where our society has gone
gone to the place of ‘winners’ ffs how depressing
thats how the real world works.Thats why the U.S is omnipotent.
You should read up on how and why civilisations crash.
thats very vague…is there a time frame?
I’d say do it as soon as you possibly can.
bad answer.if civilisations ‘crash’ what are they replaced with?
Why are you using the word ‘if’ in that sentence? There is no question that civilisations collapse.
Start with Jared Diamond and Dmitri Orlov, both have books out and essays online.
But the Green party is just labour voters with better houses and jobs.
AND national covets them !
It is interesting how much of the Greens vote came from the affluent suburbs
Rich wives still with a conscience I spose.
Hybrid Beamer
I thought this was another pretty good interview from Shaw. Apart from the gaff on not remembering the name of the Labour spokesperson on climate change (!), he seemed to get everything else right, and again presented the core ideas for people to get their heads around – no to a National govt, but yet to cross party co-operation on CC; we have a crony capitalist economy; the GP support a mixed economy as a way to transition to a post-carbon world; Labour and the GP share common much common ground and need to present as a credible govt in waiting. He came across as well prepared and even handled the stumbles well.
He will draw on his business background to reach out to business.
He’ll get his reaching-out hand bitten if he does things like point out crony capitalism. How would people like Talley get their knighthoods if politicians all started thinking like Shaw?
Talley is the perfect example of crony capitalism.
The introduction of the quota management system based on the quantity of fish caught at the time, turned the Talleys and others, from a hand to mouth existence catching fish from small boats into asset based big scale millionaires overnight.
The quota could be leased or sold, while up to then you had nothing until the fish were landed on the dock and sold for whatever price could be achieved.
Hmmm, not a good interview. Too many complex definitions and the clear definitions are starting to present an unsettling picture of the Green Party. The emerging theme that Turei is the “caring social mother” and Shaw the “mature business father” isn’t good at all. Guess which one is going to be taken more seriously than the other? Hello, Green Party, this is NZ culture calling…
By not taking off his very stylish new suit jacket, leaning over, and slapping Espiner back to journalisitic integrity, Shaw allowed his answers to become muddled with qualifications to the point of saying nothing useful. That Shaw didn’t know who to contact inside of Labour, for environmental issues, is telling, and not a good thing to openly admit. Too much scoop-time has been spent on the Green/Nat potential/non-potential and not enough on front-footing a strategy for a future Labour/Greens relationship.
people add up current popularity polls and get,
Greens/Labour = 38%
National = 47%
therefore,
National win 2017 game over.
But it isn’t a, total percentage = sum of the parts, equation. The sense of security that voters would feel by Labour and Greens openly agreeing to stand as a unified option would increase the combined popularity above the individual party levels. Why seek a MoU with National when one with Labour would take 100% less time and effort, and have 100% more chance of success? Why is it so hard to build on the positivism we heard from Robertson a fortnight ago, with the positivism we often hear from Turei, and go from there?
The Greens know it can work, Labour knows it can work, they say they know it can work, they say they want it to work, yet all we hear is how The Greens are chasing National like some infatuated teenage nerd-boy who chases the narcissistic popular girl at high school, and The Greens “media relations team” (or whatever they call themselves) are encouraging the continuance of the losing, time-wasting, game. Enough already.
Good grief, damned if they do or don’t.
He’s doing what you wanted this morning, making it really clear and simple that the GP won’t go into govt with National. He’s also making it really clear that the GP want to work with Labour.
Plus he’s using the media’s obsession about the National thing to not only talk abotu CC, but to put out a challenge to Key. It’s a smart move.
And in case you hadn’t noticed, it was the suit that got him elected co-leader. Funny how little people trust the GP to know what they are doing.