S&P outs Key on two more downgrade lies

Written By: - Date published: 1:24 pm, October 10th, 2011 - 48 comments
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The lies keep flowing as National desperately tries to limit the damage from the double downgrade. First, it was ‘doesn’t matter’ – Treasury says it does. Then, “hey, it’s just private debt” – the agencies’ reports say otherwise. Then it was just an international problem – less 1/4 of the OECD has been downgraded. Then, somehow, it was all Labour’s fault and would be worse under Labour – S&P says they’re lying on that too.

In the House last week, John Key said:

“[S&P] did go on to say, though, that if there was a change of Government, that downgrade would be much more likely.”

Don’t know about you but that just didn’t seem credible. No international body like S&P is going to risk its relationship with future governments by making such remarks. Sure enough:

Standard and Poor’s sovereign rating analyst Kyran Curry, who attended the meeting in Auckland, said that would not have happened.

“In Auckland last month, I might have talked about the importance of the Government maintaining a strong fiscal position in the medium term but I would never have touched on individual parties.

“It is something we just don’t do,” Mr Curry said. “We don’t rate political parties. We rate Governments.”

Another Key lie exposed.  Curry goes on to say:

Asked what New Zealand needed to do to have its higher ratings restored, he said it would require a sustained improvement in New Zealand’s external position first.

This would come through stronger export performance and an improvement in public savings – “getting back to what New Zealand was actually doing not three years ago,” Mr Curry said.

Rather contradicts the line that NZ is in a stronger position than 3 years ago. Course, that never made sense anyway. Don’t get downgraded for making your position stronger.

 

48 comments on “S&P outs Key on two more downgrade lies”

  1. Phaedrus 1

    While all politicians are ‘economical with the truth’ as Oliver North said about 30 years ago, Key has take this to a whole new level. Lying is second nature to him- it is his automatic response when cornered. There have been so many examples over the past few years.

    • ianmac 1.1

      Yes but another way of dealing with issues is to avoid then altogether. Cat talk is much easier!
      Surely the electorate will take note of Key dodgy talk?

      • Jim Nald 1.1.1

        It’s called, as my nephew would say, ‘making shit up’. And then trading or politicking with it.

  2. Key has a long, unchallenged history of lying and providing misinformation. Parliament does not allow members to call others liars but I do struggle with understanding how deliberate misinformation isn’t the same as a lie.

    Just incase people have forgotten these:
    http://localbodies-bsprout.blogspot.com/2011/04/lying-fudging-and-misinformation.html

    • pollywog 2.1

      Sure he’s a liar, but the thing is, he keeps getting caught out, which goes to show what i’ve always said…

      …he’s a shit liar. His face reveals the truth. He doesn’t even believe the shit he’s spouting.

  3. mike 3

    A sociopath will never conceed anything when cornered on a point. It’s always someone else’s fault, or it’s a stupid or irrelevant question, or they just lie. They lie so much that they get away with it because their ‘victim’, whose trust they have won through their charm and lies and telling them what they want to hear, can’t imagine that the whole person is a fraud. That just can’t be can it?

    A sociopath will look you in the eye and tell you that black is white if they need to. And they will makte you feel stupid if you question it. Maybe it would be dangerous if you didn’t believe it. This is their special skill. There are liars, good liars, and then there are sociopaths. People do not understand this, and that is their advantage.

  4. TightyRighty 4

    errr, your right, they aren’t rating parties, they are rating governments. So if labour were in government it would be worse. which is hardly a lie, so thank god labour won’t be in power anytime soon

    • Zaphod Beeblebrox 4.1

      How can a lie cover a hyperthetical event? Speculating on hypothetical events are what astrologers do.

      • Akldnut 4.1.1

        “Speculating on hypothetical events are what astrologers do.”

        So not true – there’s accountants, politicians, economists, investors, business men……
        The list goes on.

    • mike 4.2

      Ladies and gentlemen, the rock solid reasoning of the right wing.

    • Draco T Bastard 4.3

      Actually, if Labour was in government we probably wouldn’t have got the downgrades, after all, we got them in part because of NActs policies of giving tax cuts to the rich, borrowing and no plan to get us back in balance.

    • Blighty 4.4

      S&P never said that a downgrade would be more likely under Labour, as Key claimed they said. Therefore, his claim was a lie.

    • mik e 4.5

      Tighty You promised us you were not going to go on this blog again all talk and no delivery no wonder you [are] like Key.Finished sulking. I know why your called tighty your so far up Keys posterior you can’t see any one else’s point of view.Key is like a little child thats been caught out refuses to take responsibility for their mistakes [I thought this was the party of personal responsibility],Then shifts the blame to some one else .Standard and poors already laid out actions this govt should be taking national said we don’t do what rating agencies tell us [BillS english]. SO KEY IS A LIAR

    • fmacskasy 4.6

      Hmmm, unfortunately for you, Tighty, recent history doesn’t support that;

      http://www.nzdmo.govt.nz/sovereigncreditratings

      Note that three credit downgrades happened duting three National governments; 1994, 1998, and this year. And if you include the Rogernomics period – that makes FOUR neo-liberal governments that were downgraded.

      Credit ratings agencies – they seem “risk averse” to new right governments.

      And look at 10 September 1998 – AA+ (negative outlook)

      But when Labour came to power – 7 March 2001 AA+ (stable outlook)

      Stable outlook?!

      Nah, must be a mistake. I’ll go back and re-check the following period…

      6 August 2008 AA+ (stable outlook) re-affirmed

      “Reaffirmed”?!

      Well, bugger me! If rather does seem that credit agencies find favour with centre-left governments rather than centre-right administrations.

      Whoda thunk?!

  5. just saying 5

    Unravelling unravelling. And booze is no longer his friend.

    I’ve never known a politician who lied as much as Key does. Can the media keep shielding him?

  6. randal 6

    National is supposed to be the party of business so improved export performance should be a breeze. But the people who support national are conspicuopus consumers who need money to support their view of themselves as big men. It is obvious that national cannot resolve this contradiction and the sooner they let Labour takeover and fix the economy properly without having to bend to the psycholoigcal predilections of wannabees the better.

  7. Ed 7

    Key is now waving an email from a ‘friend of a friend’, that gives the comment as his inference . . . .
    Apparently he was ‘uncomfortable’ at the press conference – must be time to move right along . . .

    • ianmac 7.1

      Just saw him on TV3 News. They showed his Chamber words- twice! And Shifty Eyes denied responsibility. Would you call that lying?

      • fmacskasy 7.1.1

        Ianmac, I was wondering if it would be shown on TV3.

        TV1’s “news” consisted of rugby, sharks in an Aussie golf-course pond (I kid you not), Paul McCartney’s third marriage, a sperm whale in danger of being stranded, a Michael Jackson memorial concert, rugby kicking-robots (again, I kid you not), and more rugby. But not a word about our disingenuous Dear Leader…

        No wonder Radio NZ banned ‘Bomber’ Bradbury for telling it like it is. ‘Bomber’ obviously didn’t talk enough rugby.

        • The Voice of Reason 7.1.1.1

          3News clip here.

          • mik e 7.1.1.1.1

            TVoR credibility downgrade

          • Colonial Viper 7.1.1.1.2

            Key seriously seriously sucked on that clip. OMG TV3 comes through.

            • Jim Nald 7.1.1.1.2.1

              What?? I will start tuning into TV3 again in the lead-up to the election.

              Btw, there is an appropriate, gesture that media interviewers during press conferences can use to complement John Key’s throat slitter gesture .. it involves two fingers .. and a scissor-like motion .. how about a tongue cutter?

        • mik e 7.1.1.2

          They were probably threatened with a funding cut unlike tv3 who got $43 million.

  8. Just seen the drunken monkey on TV3 in a Patrick Gower piece scratching his balls for answers for an answer as to why he lied about the credit downgreade being more likely if Labour were government and i was soooo embarrassed !!!

    This is our prime minister coming off like a cheap carnival clown.

  9. Afewknowthetruth 9

    Just look at a ‘brighter future’ billboard…. the eyes and the mouth.

    Key knows everything National stands for is a lie, and he’s unable to conceal it.

  10. Cin77 11

    So he got his info from an unnamed email source, even after the official word from S&P themselves is that they don’t work that way?

    What a load of bullshit! How the f**k does he get away with this crap? There’s no way the average Joe Bloggs can ignore it for long.

  11. The Voice of Reason 12

    Fantastic body language in the 3News piece. 1.15 into the clip, Pinokeyo goes for the proboscis.
     
    Which is, ahem, a sign that he’s fibbing.
     
    “Touching it.

    Touching the nose can indicate that the person has detected a bad smell. It is also common signal from a person who is not telling the truth.

    When a person lies, blood vessels in their nose may dilate, making the nose swell or appear redder. The nasal engorgement then causes mast cells to release histamine, which makes the nose itch and so may lead to the person touching or scratching it (this is probably the basis of the Pinocchio story).

    Rubbing the finger alongside the nose can indicate disagreement. It may also be a semi-suppressed nose-scratch related to lying.

    Pinching the bridge of the nose can show the person is evaluating something, usually negatively and with some frustration.”
     
    Big ups to Paddy Gower. Must have been fun putting that segment together!
     
     
     

  12. Tiger Mountain 13

    I got it in one Voice as I watched. Funny, I talked to Helen Clark years back, but after the 08 election, near Valley Rd in Mt Eden Auckland, the local Labour party caravan and people were there and we had a brief chat. I had met her before in union circumstances, and for the benefit of “RWNJs” as they have become known, have never been a Labour member. I said “that guy is not my, or my family’s Prime Minister etc.”, and she replied “he lied his way into office and he is still at it”. Exactly.

    • The Voice of Reason 13.1

      Shonkey is as Shonkey does! He’s always been given slack for mangling the language, but this is him just straight out lying. And not being very good at it. So, in just a few short days we’ve seen him lie twice (in Parliament and in the news conference) and issue a death threat once (the gesture). Stay classy, John, it’s not too late to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

  13. RedLogix 14

    Notice carefully how none of the usual RWNJ’s have turned up here acknowledging that their hero has fracked up here. Nothing along the lines of, “Well yes this isn’t a good look really, poor form and Key needs to apologise for this slip in judgement”.

    Not one.

    In fact the lie doesn’t matter to them. In their eyes it was just a bit of ‘tactical political point-scoring’. The principle of not lying to Parliament has no resonance for them.

    What they are sulking about is that S&P had the temerity to out Key in the lie and that he was careless enough to be caught. And you can only play the “Explaining in losing” card just so often. Once people start naming it for the evasion it is, the original offense is only compounded by the arrogance.

    The teflon was pretty damn thick, but it’s coming off in lumps now.

  14. As an aside, we watched “Wag the Dog” last night in our home. Ok, we’re too small to declare war on Albania… maybe the Cook Islands?

    Whoever Key has on his staff to set up deflections – they’re pretty damn good at it.

  15. DJL 16

    The TV3 vid is not coming up on the link, is it just me or have they pulled it?

  16. If we take John Key’s source at ‘his'(?) word, the meeting being referred to involved some economists, a couple of whom worked for S&P (?) and who were the ones who ‘took an interest’ in NZ’s rating.

    Now, whatever these economists may or may not have said in that room to those involved, it clearly was not an official S&P position or conclusion.

    Since John Key had the email that detailed the kind of meeting it was and also, apparently, phoned his source to check what had been said, he would have known that this was not the official S&P position.

    Key did not say in Parliament that a couple of people who worked for S&P said the downgrade was more likely with a Labour government; what he said by direct inference was that S&P – with all its official, institutional weight behind that name – had stated this.

    Even in the kindest interpretation of Key’s interpretation of the information available to him from his source he is still involved in trying to pass off some informal, off the record, unofficial comments from employees of S&P as being the opinion of the S&P credit rating agency.

    No wonder S&P called him on it – to gain a petty political point in little old New Zealand Key, in effect, has said that S&P are involved in informally trying to influence the politics of sovereign states. 

    Key’s truth may be worse than Key’s lie. (If you see what I mean.) 

  17. In the Prime Minister’s statement to Parliament, he refers to “…when Standard and Poor’s was giving a meeting in New Zealand…”.

    But the “email” refers to “…a session with a range of economists yesterday morning – every year they do this session – with economists from Aus plus all the main NZ banks, and this year two from Standard and Poors…”.

    In John Key’s statement, the meeting was organised by Standard & Poors.

    In the email, the meeting was held by “a range of economists… with economists from Aus plus all the main NZ banks”.

    So who organised this meeting?

    • prism 18.1

      “A range of economists” – how far does the range extend? Does anyone know who the NZ economists were at this meeting? Whomever, Key said he has given reliable information before.
      Most bank economists seem to be right wing. Would Bill Rosenberg – the trade union oriented – Berl, etc. have been invited? Was there a Kiwibank economist there – do they have a tame one I wonder?
      I guess it rules out Whaleoil or Farrar – they aren’t economists just dogs sitting ready with an ear to the gramophone speaker.

    • Puddleglum 18.2

      Yes, Frank. My thoughts too.

      The email description of the meeting didn’t specify that it was a S&P meeting.

      Part of the problem is Key’s incredibly garbled use of language. What does “giving a meeting” mean? “organising a meeting”? “‘presenting to a meeting [i.e., ‘giving a presentation’]”? “participating in a meeting”?

      You don’t ‘give’ a meeting – you ‘have’ one, ‘organise’ one, ‘attend’ one, ‘agree’ to one, etc.. You might ‘give’ an audience (as with royalty), but surely that’s not what he meant and, if he did, that’s not what the email described. 

  18. I’ve had a response from the Speaker of the House Lockwood Smith already, concerning my formal complaint regarding John Key vs S&P:

    You are correct that honesty in Parliament is of utmost importance, particularly in the context of question time.  Ministers who discover that they have provided incorrect information to the House of Representatives are obliged to seek to remedy this, usually by way of a personal explanation to the House.  A member who had evidence that another member had willfully misled the House would be expected to raise the matter with the Speaker at the earliest opportunity, for the Speaker to consider whether to refer the question to the Privileges Committee. It is for the Privileges Committee to undertake any investigation.

    I wonder if that means Bill English is in trouble as well, being that he’s the most likely person who is John Key’s “source”.

    • fmacskasy 19.1

      Well done! *thumbs up*

      As for Key’s “source” – yes, it would be either himself or someone like English. I doubt he’d trust the Office Junior to write something that could be utterly explosive if it got out in the public domain. He’d have no choice but to resign.

  19. Cloaca 20

    I am still awaiting Standard & Poor’s explanation as to how they got their credit rating on AMI so wrong.

    I have doubts what is “said” in private to what is “said” in public. I have had commercial experience with them, and other US, for US, by US agencies.

  20. Something which intrigued me;

    In the Prime Minister’s statement to Parliament, he refers to “…when Standard and Poor’s was giving a meeting in New Zealand…”.

    But the “email” refers to “…a session with a range of economists yesterday morning – every year they do this session – with economists from Aus plus all the main NZ banks, and this year two from Standard and Poors…”.

    In John Key’s statement, the meeting was organised by Standard & Poors.

    In the email, the meeting was held by “a range of economists… with economists from Aus plus all the main NZ banks”.

    So who organised this meeting?

  21. Well, well, well…

    It seems that Dear Leader has shot himself in his foot. Both feet. And hands.

    It seems that, according to the NZ Debt Management Office, it isn’t Labour that suffers the crdedit downgrades – it’s actually… NATIONAL!

    http://fmacskasy.wordpress.com/2011/10/16/john-keys-foot-in-mouth-syndrome/

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    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    6 days ago
  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
    Hi there, just call me Tim.We face tough problems, and I’d like to help, because there are solutions.An Auckand District Health Board member has nominated me for as a candidate for the ADHB, because her MS-related pain and fatigue is reduced with hemp products from Rotorua.  Nothing else helped her. If I ...
    7 days ago
  • Good little vassals
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
    7 days ago
  • The Politics of Opposition
    For most of the time I was a British MP, my party was out of government – these were the Thatcher years, when it was hard for anyone else to get a look-in. As a front-bencher and shadow minister, I became familiar with the strategies required in a parliamentary democracy ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    7 days ago
  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
    1 week ago
  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh On August 29th a video in which veteran FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) commander Iván Márquez announced that they had taken up arms again was released. There was no delay in the reaction to it, from longtime Liberal Party figure and former president Uribe, for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
    Air New Zealand couldn’t believe its luck that this seemingly ideal piece of real estate had so far gone entirely unnoticed. Air New Zealand’s search for a site to build a second Auckland Airport may have made a breakthrough this afternoon, after employees scanning Google satellite imagery spotted a huge, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Labour’s failure
    When National was in government and fucking over the poor for the benefit of the rich, foodbanks were a growth industry. And now Labour is in charge, nothing has changed: A huge demand for emergency food parcels means the Auckland City Mission is struggling to prepare for the impending arrival ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
    Gayford, pictured here on The Project, before things got wildly out of control. A bold public relations move by the Government to encourage parents to vaccinate their children has gone horribly wrong. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern appeared on tonight’s episode of Three’s The Project, where the plan was for her ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Cleaning up the water
    Today the government released its Action Plan for Healthy Waterways, aimed at cleaning up our lakes and rivers. Its actually quite good. There will be protection for wetlands, better standards for swimming spots, a requirement for continuous improvement, and better standards for wastewater and stormwater. But most importantly, there's a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
    Anti-fluoride activists have some wealthy backers – they are erecting billboards misrepresenting the Canadian study on many New Zealand cities – and local authorities are ordering their removal because of their scaremongering. Many New Zealanders ...
    1 week ago
  • Democracy – I Don’t Think So
    So, those who “know best” have again done their worst. While constantly claiming to be the guardians of democracy and the constitution, and respecters of the 2016 referendum result, diehard Remainers (who have never brought themselves to believe that their advice could have been rejected) have striven might and main ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Government says it will now build just one really nice home
    Following publication of this article, the Ministry has requested it to be noted that this supplied image is not necessarily representative of what the final house will look like, and it “probably won’t be that nice.” As part of today’s long-anticipated reset of the Government’s flagship KiwiBuild policy, Housing Minister ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Imperialism and your cup of coffee
    Over the next week or two we will be running three synopses of parts of the opening chapter of John Smith’s Imperialism in the 21st Century (New York, Monthly Review Press, 2016).  The synopsis and commentary below is written by Phil Duncan. Marx began Capital not with a sweeping historical ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Still juking the stats
    The State Services Commission and Ombudsman have released another batch of OIA statistics, covering the last six months. Request volumes are up, and the core public service is generally handling them within the legal timeframe, though this may be because they've learned to extend rather than just ignore things. And ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Hard News: Time for a New Deal: 25 years on
    In 1994, I was editing an ambitious street mag called Planet, from a fabled office at at 309 Karangahape Road. The thirteenth issue of the magazine was published in the winter of that year and its cover embodied a particularly ambitious goal: the end of cannabis prohibition.I wanted to do ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Not impressed
    KiwiBuild was one of the Ardern government's core policies. The government would end the housing crisis and make housing affordable again by building 100,000 new homes. Of course, it didn't work out like that: targets weren't met, the houses they did build were in the wrong place, and the whole ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Solar beats coal
    As the climate crisis escalates, it is now obvious that we need to radically decarbonise our economy. The good news is that its looking easy and profitable for the energy sector. Wind is already cheaper than fossil fuels, and now solar is too:The levellised cost of solar PV has fallen ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • A Step Too Far.
    A Crown Asset? For reasons relating to its own political convenience, the Crown pretends to believe that “No one owns the water.” To say otherwise would re-vivify the promises contained in the Treaty of Waitangi – most particularly those pertaining to the power of the chiefs and their proprietary rights ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Where Money Comes From
    Most people would say, no doubt, that they have a pretty good idea of what money is. They live with the reality of money every day. It is what is needed to buy the necessities of life and to maintain a decent standard of living. You get money, they would ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Banned by the Green Party leadership: Jill Abigail on women’s rights and trans rights
    The article below was an opinion piece that appeared in the Spring 2019 issue of Te Awa (the NZ Green Party’s newsletter) and on the Greens website.  In keeping with their policy of hostility to women defending women’s right to female-only spaces, Green bureaucrats have since removed the opinion piece.  ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The fallacy of the proximity argument.
    Longer term readers may remember my complaining that, as a political scientist, it is burdensome to have non-political scientists wanting to engage me about politics. No layperson would think to approach an astrophysicist and lecture him/her on the finer details of quarks and black holes, but everybody with an opinion ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago
  • Where We Stood: Chris Trotter Replies To Stevan Eldred-Grigg.
    Joining The Fight: Stevan Eldred-Grigg's argument for New Zealand staying out of the Second World War fails not only on the hard-headed grounds of preserving the country’s strategic and economic interests; and not just on the soft-hearted grounds of duty and loyalty to the nation that had given New Zealand ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Universities back the climate strike
    On September 27, School Strike 4 Climate will be striking for a future to pressure the government for meaningful climate action. This time, they've asked adults to join them. And now, Lincoln University and Victoria University of Wellington have signed on:Victoria University of Wellington has joined Lincoln University in endorsing ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Another constitutional outrage
    Another day, another constitutional outrage in the UK. This time, the government is saying that if parliament passes a law to stop Brexit before being prorogued, they may just ignore it:A senior cabinet minister has suggested Boris Johnson could defy legislation to prevent a no-deal Brexit if it is forced ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Ending dairy in Canterbury
    Environment Canterbury has finally proposed nitrogen limits to stop dairy farmers from poisoning Christchurch's water supply. And naturally, farmers are whining about it:A proposed move by Environment Canterbury (ECan) to protect Christchurch's drinking water by setting tough – some would say, draconian – nitrate reductions in the decades ahead and ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Is National the party of climate arson?
    The Zero Carbon Bill is currently before select committee. While its targets are weak, its a generally sensible bill that promises to establish a long-term framework to guide emissions reductions. But National hasn't made up its mind on whether it will support it - and according to Andrea Vance in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Experts warn Harold the Giraffe “well past” typical giraffe life expectancy, may not have long
    Dum-de-doo. Children across New Zealand have known him for generations as the lovable giraffe who tells them to exercise, hydrate and not to shove lit cigarettes up their nostrils. But a world renowned giraffe expert says we shouldn’t be getting attached to Life Education’s Harold the Giraffe, as he is ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • August ’19 – NZ blogs sitemeter ranking
    Image credit: 22 BLOGGERS WITH ADVICE FOR RESEARCHERS AND EVALUATORS, ILLUSTRATED I notice a few regulars no longer allow public access to the site counters. This may happen accidentally when the blog format is altered. If your ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Bye, bye to the collusion lie
    Sums it up, really. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Opinion: Treat your car by buying extra petrol to snack on while you aren’t driving
    By Mike Hosking. Yesterday morning, I waltzed into work, and as I walked past the drones aggressively typing out news on the computers I’ve repeatedly asked to be moved further away from, I caught a glimpse of the words “climate change”, and noticed that suspiciously they weren’t in condescending quotation ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago

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