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   25 May 2014 at 10:16 am

   Sure could use some unrestrained aspirational idealism in the next government.
   I get the feeling Greens want power this time – and that hunger is good.

   Would love to see some more MSM media profile from Genter – a bit quiet.
   • Naturesong 1.1

     25 May 2014 at 12:56 pm

     For anyone who cares about efficient use of taxpayers money for infrastructure projects, Julie Anne Genter is famous.
     And I suspect she has quite a following here in Auckland.

     Julie Anne Genter and Kennedy Graham were my top picks after Metiria Turei, and Dr Russel Norman.

     After those four I found it very difficult to choose.
     Given the likelyhood of only 15 Green MP’s getting into Parliament, and there being at least 19 candidates that are very high quality ….

     So I ended up having to vote 4 or 5 canditates that I knew would be extremely effective MP’s so far down the list that they would be unlikely to get a seat.
     I suspect that’s what has happened to Marama Davidson (I rated her much higher ) and Steffan Browning.

     It’s a weird feeling, when you see some of the dross that other parties throw up; yes National, I’m looking at you.
     • Labour_Voter 1.1.1

       25 May 2014 at 9:38 pm

       I won’t be surprised if Greens win closer to 18% this election. So they could get more than 15 MPs.
       • Colonial Viper 1.1.1.1

         25 May 2014 at 10:07 pm

         Somewhere around 12% to 14% is more likely. Steady progress is far better for the long term future of the Greens than some kind of sudden jump to 18% plus trying to handle Cabinet politics for the first time.
         • thechangeling 1.1.1.1.1

           26 May 2014 at 2:17 pm

           If the Greens get for example 12% of the vote, is the equation to determine the amount of MP’s they get into parliament like this: 100=12 MP’s then 1.2 MP’s for the next 20 (2.4 MP’s) so the total is 14.4 MP’s right, so my question is, is the .4 rounded up to make a 15th MP into parliament or is it rounded back down to 14 MP’s in total?
2. Tigger 2

   25 May 2014 at 10:26 am

   Happy to be enlightened on the ethnicities of the men on this list but there seem to be a lot of white men here. Four in top ten.
   • Clean_power 2.1

     25 May 2014 at 10:50 am

     Why are you worried? Ability and character are what really matter. Skin colour is not important.
     • Populuxe1 2.1.1

       25 May 2014 at 10:44 pm

       Well that doesn’t sound defensive at all.
   • karol 2.2

     25 May 2014 at 12:48 pm

     There are some Maori men among the newest on the list. Too soon for them to be high up. McDonald for instance. They are making an effort to diversify their representation.
     • Skinny 2.2.1

       25 May 2014 at 5:27 pm

       The Greens shoot themselves in the foot ‘again’ by not having a Maori male in the top 10. It’s little wonder they struggle with the male Maori vote.
       • karol 2.2.1.1

         25 May 2014 at 5:49 pm

         Maori males are strongly represented in other parties. It’s good to see the Greens giving Maori women some prominence. They have a strong list. Some male Maori candidates (and Asian and Pacific) are standing in electorates (as well as being onthe list). They will be out there giving visibility to the Green Party.
         • Skinny 2.2.1.1.1

           25 May 2014 at 6:11 pm

           The topic is the Green list Karol, while the party has the strongest of the 3 main party’s with policies supporting Maori, the fact has always been the absence of male Maori on their front bench. Which leads me to believe it’s a trendy white liberal party.
           • karol 2.2.1.1.1.1

             25 May 2014 at 6:22 pm

             So having a Maori female just isn’t good enough for you? It’s gotta be male, otherwise it’s just a “trendy white liberal party”? Are Maori women invisible?

             I agree there needs to be more cultural diversity in their front bench. And I get the impression they are working on it. Marama Davidson looks to have much potential and is getting favourable responses in many quarters. So far, I don’t see any of their male Maori, Asian or Pacifc candidates creating such a buzz.

             One of the reasons I vote Green is because they have strong female candidates at the forefront. Since Clark left politics, males have dominated in the most senior positions of other parties. The Greens are rleading the way with having more od a gender balance.
             • Skinny …

               25 May 2014 at 7:01 pm

               I am merely voicing an observation that if they want more male Maori votes they need to get one with mana and appeal to aboard the top 10 rankings. How some of the current MP’s stay or come into the top 10 is bewildering. I mean Mojo Mathers how the hell she didn’t get bounced the other way has me thinking scratch below the surface and the Greens Party membership is still made up of raving nutters.
               • karol …

                 25 May 2014 at 7:07 pm

                 Yes. I would rather the Greens worked closely with Mana than the Mana-InternetP thing.

                 They always have tended to be fairly closely aligned, I think.

                 Mojo Mathers provides an important perspective on disability issues.

                 Oh, please – you are trotting out one after the other of the stereotypes used to undermine the Greens – 1st that they are a “middle class liberal party”. Then that they are “full of nutters”.

                 They actually are a very strong, and well organised party, that has some excellent left wing policies, and speak well to them in the House and to the media.
                 • Skinny …

                   25 May 2014 at 7:24 pm

                   Hey I am well versed in the Greens I have a few MP that I work with in unity. I also know and meet with plenty of their membership, I shouldn’t generalize but I tell you what a lot hasn’t changed since the caged chicken v human debate that tragically keep them out of a Clark led Government..
                   • Stephanie Rodgers …

                     25 May 2014 at 11:11 pm

                     I’m pretty sure it wasn’t a single-issue-dealbreaker which kept the Greens out of the Clark government. In fact I’m pretty sure it wasn’t the Greens.
   • Colonial Viper 2.3

     25 May 2014 at 12:52 pm

     Four out of ten. That’s within ±5% of the actual proportion of white men in the general NZ population is it not? Given that it’s tough to get half a white man more or less, you need a whole one, and if you went with just three in the top ten, you would significantly under-represent white men. Is that really an improvement?

     Anyway as long as they each take climate change, public transport investment and energy depletion seriously, that’s what matters most.
     • Stephanie Rodgers 2.3.1

       25 May 2014 at 1:18 pm

       Even if the Green Party’s top 10 had no white men in it, happily we would not have to fear the overwhelming representation of white men in Parliament.
       • Colonial Viper 2.3.1.1

         25 May 2014 at 1:21 pm

         QFT.
       • Skinny 2.3.1.2

         25 May 2014 at 6:17 pm

         Maybe Mana and the Greens should form an alliance and The Internet Party too, I can’t see the Green getting above their polling of around 12%.
         • Stephanie Rodgers 2.3.1.2.1

           25 May 2014 at 7:56 pm

           12% is more than enough to get a decent chunk of the seats in Parliament. Sadly it would mean Marama Davidson missing out on a seat, but otherwise it’s a perfectly respectable proportion in an MMP House.
           • Skinny 2.3.1.2.1.1

             25 May 2014 at 10:04 pm

             Marama Davidson on merit should have got 3 spots better than what she received, a clear sign that she is viewed to radical for the Green brand. Just seek the opinion of Nandor and Sue Bradford on the ‘new Green’ Party.
             • Colonial Viper …

               25 May 2014 at 10:18 pm

               Which in turn is a clear sign that you have achieved total success in psychic communing with the Green Party membership Hive Mind.

               Well done.
               • Skinny …

                 25 May 2014 at 10:36 pm

                 Well there has been some pretty piss poor performances by some of the current MP’s, Mojo and Roche to name just 2. Mind you comparing List rankings in Labour ( which has always been a bitchy affair, and I see no change this time around) at least their process appears slightly better, however it’s still a bit of a popularity contest rather than merit.

                 Still as you point out it’s just my opinion, and one of a overly opinionated rambler I do admit.
                 • Colonial Viper …

                   25 May 2014 at 10:45 pm

                   The Green Party membership quite liked the way Mojo and Roche performed by the looks of it.
   • Populuxe1 2.4

     25 May 2014 at 10:47 pm

     It is, um, very white isn’t it. Even the PoC are a bit hard to spot.
3. weka 3

   25 May 2014 at 12:41 pm

   “Happy to be enlightened on the ethnicities of the men on this list but there seem to be a lot of white men here. Four in top ten.”

   How can you tell?

   I think the top ten is not the most relevant number. The GP have 14 MPs currently.
   • Populuxe1 3.1

     25 May 2014 at 10:50 pm

     How about four in the top twenty then? And the fact that you can’t actually tell if some of them are PoC rather suggests something about how white it looks. Also, diverse my arse, there are only two people on the whole list who aren’t white or Maori – one Indian and one Samoan.
4. fisiani 4

   25 May 2014 at 12:44 pm

   The only decent one is James Shaw.
   • Macro 4.1

     25 May 2014 at 1:05 pm

     That comment says more about you than it does about James!
   • phillip ure 4.2

     25 May 2014 at 1:08 pm

     c’mon fisi..

     ..give us the names of the rightwing-jerk mp’s you think are ‘better’ than this crew..?

     ..c’mon..!..give us all a laff..!

     ..we can have fun unpacking them..

     (please please include ‘woody’ woodhouse..and ..and ..foss-the-hapless..!

     ..and those two clowns are fucken ministers..how the fuck did that happen..?

     ..please explain..!

     ..whoar..!..)
   • Stephanie Rodgers 4.3

     25 May 2014 at 1:19 pm

     I’m not sure he’d welcome the endorsement.
   • outofbed 4.4

     25 May 2014 at 4:29 pm

     Yes James is an amazing guy.
     He put together the team that was enabled the Greens to be 2nd in Wellington Central by party vote. Not a bad result! Over 1 in 4 people vote Green in Wellington.
     • Kiwiri 4.4.1

       25 May 2014 at 10:32 pm

       How did Labour fare in Wellington Central?
5. Tamati 5

   25 May 2014 at 12:53 pm

   Mosanto will be pleased to see the end of Stephan Browning.
   • Macro 5.1

     25 May 2014 at 1:06 pm

     I wouldn’t hold my breath…
     • Tamati 5.1.1

       25 May 2014 at 1:10 pm

       15th place, I put his odds of being reelected at less than 50:50. Clearly the party hierarchy don’t think he adds much to the caucus.
       • Macro 5.1.1.1

         25 May 2014 at 1:17 pm

         Don’t count your chickens Tamati until they are due to be counted… Your opinion is worth about 1/2millionth of the final outcome – remember that.
         His position has been determined by the TOTAL party membership and only adjusted a max of 2 places up or down to ensure balance within the list by the list committee
         • Tamati 5.1.1.1.1

           25 May 2014 at 1:25 pm

           ipredict giving the Greens 10.3% , which would net about 12 seats. At 15 he’s only an outside chance.
           • Macro 5.1.1.1.1.1

             25 May 2014 at 2:46 pm

             iPredict! lol
             and has 4 – that is FOUR – Act MPs! Candidate for the next Tui’s add.
             Sorry Tamati but you place your faith on rather insubstantial evidence – no one gives a rats arse about that anymore – except those who do. (i.e. it no longer represents reality – only the perceptions of the few – obviously you amongst them)
             • Tamati …

               25 May 2014 at 3:00 pm

               If ipredict is so wrong why don’t you go and make yourself a fortune before the the next election?

               Talk is cheap, put your money where your mouth is. Prediction markets have been shown to be consistently better than any loud mouth pundit.

               Ipredict is currently giving Act 3 MPs. A little on the high side, but hardly an extreme estimate.
               • Macro …

                 25 May 2014 at 3:10 pm

                 I don’t believe in making money out of other peoples misfortunes – never have and never will. Apart from taking a ticket in a charity raffle – which I promptly dispose of, because I regard it as a donation – I have never placed a bet on anything.
                 Pray tell how Act is ever likely to win 3 seats in 2014?
                 • Tamati …

                   25 May 2014 at 3:19 pm

                   But would you be happy to make money off ACT and National supporters?

                   Because that’s what you would be doing if you shorted Act futures (assuming ACT is priced highly due to manipulative right wingers) . You could even promise to give all your winnings to charity or something, if you like.

                   Act has had polled around 7-8% in the past. Some of those voters will return to them if they can be convinced that their vote won’t be wasted and that Jamie Whyte won’t make a dick of himself like Banks.
                   • Macro …

                     25 May 2014 at 4:03 pm

                     No I am not be interested in making money out of Act supporters or any others foolish enough to bet on the outcome of an election, or on the outcome of a cricket game, or who scores the first try, or which horse crosses the line first. That is simply infantile behaviour.
                     The people of Epsom have a lot to answer for in this country, are they to repeat their idiocy of Hide, and then Banks, (there is a long history of corruption in that electorate from representatives from Act) so are they to vote Act again – or will they more likely give them the flick and vote where their heart has always been? Remember that the name of Act has been besmirched badly over two electoral periods now- across the country – and the possibility of 7-8% popular vote is long gone.
                   • felix …

                     25 May 2014 at 6:40 pm

                     Macro, the people of Epsom will vote for whomever John Key so instructs them.

                     There really is nothing more in it than that. All the two-faced expense-fiddlers and corrupt bagmen, proto-fascist punishment-fetishist dead baby thieves, and barking mad brothel owners that ACT have foisted on the country over the last couple of terms?

                     Don’t blame Epsom. Don’t even blame ACT. They have all sat in our parliament entirely at the behest of John Key.
                   • felix …

                     25 May 2014 at 6:50 pm

                     Tamati, no-one gives a shit about a handful of right-wing activists trading 5 cents worth of stock.
       • Naturesong 5.1.1.2

         25 May 2014 at 1:19 pm

         Weirdly, the list is not chosen by the “party hierarchy”.

         The list is chosen by Green Party member vote.

         That there end up being a few highly qualified candidates further down the list is what happens when you have too many highly qualified candidates.
6. Wayne 6

   25 May 2014 at 1:53 pm

   I was surprised that Marama Davidson wasn’t higher up, although she is the second non – MP in the list, but may not make it in. I think political parties should always ensure that some new people should have high enough in the list to be guaranteed to get in. It does mean that one or more MP”s will be on the margin.
   • Populuxe1 6.1

     25 May 2014 at 10:52 pm

     She’s actually dropped by a place to 16, which I think is scandalous.
7. Tracey 7

   25 May 2014 at 1:58 pm

   i am disappointed to see denise roache drop two places. she has had some repesentation in msm and has spoken well in parliament in question time and speeches.

   if greens can get to 12-15% she will still have a worrying election night. undeserved demotion imo.
   • Tamati 7.1

     25 May 2014 at 2:03 pm

     Nah she would make it on 12%. A small amount of party vote is ‘wasted’ meaning parties get slightly more seats than their percentage of votes suggest.
     • Tracey 7.1.1

       25 May 2014 at 2:14 pm

       thanks tamati. i get confused about how it all translates.
       • Tamati 7.1.1.1

         25 May 2014 at 2:29 pm

         So last time 3.37% of votes were for parties that didn’t end up being represented in Parliament. This means 96.63% of party votes actually counted. Divide each party vote percentage by 0.9663 and multiply by 120 and you get an approximation of number of seats.

         Note: This is only an approximation, the actual calculations are a little more complex and have to account for overhangs etc.
8. second thoughts 8

   25 May 2014 at 2:37 pm

   The green party will only secure about 5-7 MP’s this time. Their hey day is over. Norman has been to devisive and their policies have been to lacking around economic growth. The printing of money was a flawed policy and the visits to Dot Com wont be lost on the voters.

   However the loss of MP’s will be swung to National and Labour.

   There quite a few cracks in their campaign and policy platforms for 2014.

   I thought rank 1 and 2 were co-leaders – this will surprise many that Russell is no longer equal but second place.
   • Tamati 8.1

     25 May 2014 at 2:40 pm

     Do you have any evidence or logical reasoning to back up your projection or did it just come to you in a series of dreams?
     • Stephanie Rodgers 8.1.1

       25 May 2014 at 7:58 pm

       I giggled.
   • George 8.2

     25 May 2014 at 3:29 pm

     You can’t do maths. Without an electorate seat, they will get a minimum of 6 MPs, or none at all.

     Also, you can’t spell. Russel Norman isn’t devisive.

     Nice attempt at an argument though.
   • karol 8.3

     25 May 2014 at 5:08 pm

     Norman was second place before. – at the 2011 election.

     The media tends to treat him as leader – cos, you know, guys are expected to be leaders. But I think Turei probably has more leadership abilities.
     • second thoughts 8.3.1

       25 May 2014 at 5:17 pm

       my understanding is this – if you don’t win an electorate getting is tough so the 5% rule helps parties like the greens and NZF. However there is some misguided facts..at 11% the chances of lots of MP’s is limited as there is no electorate – I think the Greens will poll below 10%.

       This makes it in my book 5-7 MPs.

       National will pick up 2-4 more, NZF will get a hiding, Conservative, United and Act will get gifted a seat. So the real winner will be Maori Party and not Mana due to Internet Party.

       So there is a real possibility of no Mana Party.

       Labour will get just under 30%

       Don’t be surprised guys if NZF is OUT – maybe at best 5% flat but it will be their last election. Winny will quit.

       Seriously Greens look a mess and confused. Labour trying hard.
       • karol 8.3.1.1

         25 May 2014 at 5:26 pm

         Tāmaki Makarau electorate is now looking very interesting.
       • Macro 8.3.1.2

         25 May 2014 at 6:24 pm

         “I think the Greens will poll below 10%.”
         what you think and what is reality are obvious two different things..
     • Tamati 8.3.2

       25 May 2014 at 5:20 pm

       I think he gets more media time because he’s the finance spokesman. Wouldn’t surprise me if Turei becomes DPM while Norman gets associate finance. Would be a nice fit.
       • second thoughts 8.3.2.1

         25 May 2014 at 6:20 pm

         think you guys better watch TV 3 poll – I think I am bang on
         • bad12 8.3.2.1.1

           25 May 2014 at 6:37 pm

           More National can govern alone polling from the tv channels, same as this time last election, now how did that work out for National which last week had to scrap its plans to turn the Resource Management Act on its head because they havn’t got the numbers in the Parliament to amend the Legislation…
           • BM 8.3.2.1.1.1

             25 May 2014 at 6:40 pm

             National got done by that tea tape bollocks and the rena hitting the rocks.

             If it wasn’t for those two events it would have been a clear majority.
           • second thoughts 8.3.2.1.1.2

             25 May 2014 at 6:44 pm

             no one likes RMA so not surprised……….that is irrelevant left is getting killed by centre right nation. people in nz love what national re doing and tv 3 said 67% labour voters liked national policies…even david liked it.

             greens will poll even lower
             • felix …

               25 May 2014 at 6:53 pm

               What did you predict the greens would poll at the last election?

               As I recall most of you lot were reckoning on them not making 5%
9. Philj 9

   25 May 2014 at 4:42 pm

   xox
   Having Barry Coates (Mr Oxfam) at 17 shows the incredible depth and talent within this Green Party list. Astounding. At some point voters will wake up. Some will get angry and desperate. In NZ the trend is heading green.If voters think the Natz will do anything significant about sustainable population/migration or climate change you are seriously deluded. Calling all RWNJ’s.
   • Chooky 9.1

     25 May 2014 at 7:10 pm

     +100 Philj
10. McGrath 10

    25 May 2014 at 7:16 pm

    I cannot see Green polling below 10%, If anything, I can see them polling 15-20% this election as disillusioned Labour voters go Green instead.
    • second thoughts 10.1

      25 May 2014 at 9:36 pm

      not based on tonight polls
      • Colonial Viper 10.1.1

        25 May 2014 at 10:41 pm

        13% to 14% is a likely range for the Greens IMO; and trying to base anything on tonight’s polls is sorta dumb.

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