The Greens on urban farming

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1. Robert Guyton 1

   24 September 2020 at 6:29 am

   Riverton has one, between the Fire-station, the Anglican Church and the Runanga offices. It's forest-garden style and features apples, plums, peaches, hazel, sweet chestnut, grapes, gooseberries, currants and has as its understory, artichokes, potatoes, herbs and a whole lot more. The gates are always open.
   • weka 1.1

     24 September 2020 at 10:06 am

     That's a sweet set of food choices there. I have a soft spot for what grows in the south.
2. Rae 2

   24 September 2020 at 6:34 am

   As we madly, rapidly grow our population, we lose the means and the ability to to provide for ourselves, and become more reliant on large and often foreign corporations for the means for our existence. To me, this is as much an imprisonment as any other real ones.
   • Pat 2.1

     24 September 2020 at 6:39 am

     +1
   • Robert Guyton 2.2

     24 September 2020 at 7:40 am

     It's relatively easy to break out, Rae!
   • greywarshark 2.3

     24 September 2020 at 12:17 pm

     Woe is me! Every person when they realise what you have Rae goes through a sense of serious un-ease, but caring for plants from seed to baby to flourishing and provision of whatever they are good at being, will stop the deadening affect on the brain of the contradiction of unbelievable reality.
3. Gosman 3

   24 September 2020 at 7:51 am

   This shows you how The Greens fundamentally misunderstand economics.

   The climate change impact of this initiative is likely to be minimal and it ignores the massive downsides.

   Putting aside land for urban farming means less land available for urban housing. Where are the houses that The Greens are promising going to be built if they are turning urban land in to farm land?

   [This is easily understood by reading the post, the RNZ piece, and if you are really interested, the policy. Stop trolling my posts and stop wasting my moderator time. You’ve been warned many times before, you’re out until a month after the election – weka]
   • Pat 3.1

     24 September 2020 at 7:53 am

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTrj2f9t3So
   • Robert Guyton 3.2

     24 September 2020 at 8:00 am

     This shows you how Gosman fundamentally misunderstands the issue.
     • Gosman 3.2.1

       24 September 2020 at 8:31 am

       Nope. There is a reason people leave behind rural life and move to the city. It isn't so they can grow their own food.
       • mikesh 3.2.1.1

         25 September 2020 at 11:13 am

         Interesting use of a negative. There must be an awful lot things that one might claim are not the reason one moves to a city.
   • bruce 3.3

     24 September 2020 at 8:03 am

     From the words of Freewheelin' Franklin, fresh air , food and clean water will get you through times without money, better than money will get you through times without fresh air etc …. Well not quite the same words but you may get the idea
     • Gosman 3.3.1

       24 September 2020 at 8:34 am

       Don't get me wrong. I love the concept of people growing food in urban environments. This is just at a hobby level though and with minimal govt support. This won't ever replace commercial agriculture and neither should an attempt be made to make it a competitor.
       • Robert Guyton 3.3.1.1

         24 September 2020 at 9:16 am

         "This won't ever replace commercial agriculture and neither should an attempt be made to make it a competitor."

         Have the Greens suggested that? Or are you merely implying, Gosman?
       • weka 3.3.1.2

         24 September 2020 at 9:51 am

         "This won't ever replace commercial agriculture and neither should an attempt be made to make it a competitor."

         The Greens aren't suggesting that commercial agriculture be replaced (which is clear if you bothered to read the material), and I certainly didn't say this in the post. Get a grip Gosman.
         • Gosman 3.3.1.2.1

           24 September 2020 at 9:56 am

           I didn't say you did although discussing food resiliency does suggest that there would be a degree of replacement at some level (even if just a small one). Hobby urban farming is grand. I don't think we need to pump millions of taxpayers dollars in to it though. What is the benefit beyond slightly reducing the cost of a households food bill? There is also a cost involved in doing this in terms of available land for housing which is not factored in to the discussion.
           • weka 3.3.1.2.1.1

             24 September 2020 at 10:04 am

             I talked about the benefits in the post.

             I also pointed out that people make a living from urban farming, so you're framing of hobby farming is either ignorant or trolling.

             I know low income people that grow most of their own produce. That's a big drop weekly cost for them. Community gardens help people with that.
     • Dennis Frank 3.3.2

       24 September 2020 at 10:31 am

       [mod: please shift to OM if you don’t like]
       Nostalgia buffs: "LSD and his discovery of his own view of life as a three-part conflict among fortune, fame, and love."

       Frank Reynolds was a member of the San Francisco chapter of the Hell's Angels way back in '66, when this book was written (or rather, transcribed).

       He was the stereotypical degenerate scooter trash, and writes of mainlining speed and dropping huge doses of acid on a daily basis. As time progresses, the drugs clearly damage his brain, resulting in a psychotic break with reality. The Frank Reynolds who wrote the first chapter is different from the Frank who wrote the middle chapter, and the polar opposite of the Frank who concludes the book.

       This makes for a scary anti-drug message far more effective than propaganda like "Go Ask Alice."

       https://www.amazon.com/Freewheelin-Frank-Secretary-Angels-Reynolds/dp/B000KGNKL0
   • Draco T Bastard 3.4

     24 September 2020 at 10:25 am

     We need green space in our cities and so we need to put aside space anyway. We may as well put aside some of that as community gardens.

     And its also better to build up rather than out and so we wouldn't need as much space. Of course, that would cut into the land bankers profits.

     BTW, did you know that the reason for the 1/4 acre property that NZ started with was so that people could grow a large portion of their own food?
     • Dawn Trenberth 3.4.1

       24 September 2020 at 12:21 pm

       We certainly produce a lot on our traditional quarter acre. All our own honey and some eggs as well as tomatoes except for late winter and spring most of our green veges citrus fruit feijoas etc. Lots of herbs etc. It is very satisfying. Lockdown lesd to a very prolific garden being planted for the winter. Broad beans just coming through now. If land could be set aside so people in apartments etc could garden this would be great for their well being and mental health. We bought a water tank as well so out garden can get through Auckland droughts better.
4. Dennis Frank 4

   24 September 2020 at 10:37 am

   Liberate the berms! Councils have stopped mowing them since I was a kid. Fossil fuel costs will keep rising. Why retain unproductive council land? If by-laws allowed variation of use, folks would explore options.
5. Stuart Munro 5

   24 September 2020 at 11:52 am

   It is a good idea – green space in cities improves environmental and mental health along with food security.

   But the capital structure of our economy – radically privileging leech-like 'property investors' to create a precipitous decline in home ownership makes such initiatives much harder. The real estate paradigm devalues environmentally or personally developed housing – Ikea-like bareness is more readily flippable than a personalized space developed with an eye to food security or bird habitat.
6. gsays 6

   24 September 2020 at 3:28 pm

   It shows how far we have gone wrong when a proposal to:

   grow seasonal, local and sustainable food,

   treating soil health as paramount,

   bring community together,

   provide resilience and 'future proofing' for us,

   is seen as radical, can't be done and put in the too hard basket.

   Beyond the obvious benefits as outlined in the post, it can mean less trucks on the road, embedding diesel miles into the 'fresh' produce in supermarkets.
7. Austringer 7

   24 September 2020 at 5:56 pm

   Nothing new in this, back in the eighties was working in Wellington for a social outfit financed by the then Muldoon Government, training newly released inmates basic trades skills and horticulture. We were allotted a few acres of land above Mount Vic, by the Wellington Council, where we planted veges for the then one food bank and also for those in need families and elderly.

   So the concept is nothing new, yet with Government financial support for those managing and those learning and council support by way of unsuitable land for development, gifted to those local community Organization prepared to be involved and a wage for preferable unemployed youngsters it can be done again.
8. Jarjardrinks 8

   26 September 2020 at 10:36 am

   Many of us who grew up in the 80’s under grandma & grandad’s watchful eye will likely have fond memories of “helping out” in the garden as they tended to their various cultivars.
   I might be one of the lucky ones, but it instilled in me a truly holistic sense of being at a young age, which I sure hope is having an effect on me now as a millennial.

   There was a sweet spot in society that we would do well to dig up for citizens and provide them the same sense of interconnectedness through something as simple as some bloody potatoes. Or swedes if you hail from the deep south like I!

   Growing a sense of wonder in a child is just one more way to equip future generations with the tools necessary to cope and adapt to the turbulence ahead.

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