The last piece of the Hobbit story

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1. mickysavage 1

   1 March 2013 at 7:39 am

   Wow …

   So Jackson and Walsh knew the deal had been done all along and were the ones holding it all up. The phrase about having to talk him down off the wall was very funny. If only we could show that Brownlee had seen this email.

   A question for Helen. I am aware that NZPA were shown the emails and there was an article about them and I can understand the need to keep things civilised and to try and improve relations after the stoush but there must have been a huge temptation to dump these in the media at the time. It would have helped stop all of the nonsense that some have engaged in.

   Was consideration given to doing this?

   I also look forward to how Epping Road and Gosman and others are going to spin this. Although an apology is in order …
   • Tom Gould 1.1

     1 March 2013 at 9:04 am

     We also need to consider the role of the MSM and the Gallery in this matter. They routinely put their blind faith in John Key ahead of even basis rational throught and analysis, despite time and again Key being shown to have feet of clay and to be little more than a slippery chancer. It must be more than simply that they are cut from the same cloth, all self-absorbed narcissistic power-junkies together?
     • aerobubble 1.1.1

       1 March 2013 at 12:10 pm

       No. Its not blind faith. When I arrived in Auckland and of course as you do buy the main press, I was astonished how right wing it was. Its not blind faith, the Herald is nothing more than the most bizarre biased piece of media distortion in the history of any nation. Oozing neo-liberalism.
       The free press requires media to be anti-government, critical, for the smooth functioning of a democracy. Nope, not the Herald, for balance it chooses far right nonsense, and weedy left wing comebacks. Key, the supposed business guru’s guru, actively thought that the Hobbit movie going public would love to have the Hobbit movie associated with anti-union bashing, at the height of the GFC when the financial crisis was forcing many to rethink how thankful they are in a union.
       How much more depraved and stupid, how bigger a missed scoop, than to paint the PM into a ideological corner. But no the silence was defending. And now, even this morning, the agricultural sector is bemoaning the smiling assassination of border bio-security, while the farming union is silent about the issue that has wipe billions off their industry. And where is our supposed free press, our number one broadsheet headlining the issues, desperate to go soft on Key, and protect us all from the natural inclination of kiwis to live and breath democracy. Undistorted. Heaven forbid that a revolutionary conservative be lampooned for utter stupidity, even when the cohort is so large and so menacing to our future wealth, health and prosperity.
       • Salsy 1.1.1.1

         2 March 2013 at 9:47 am

         +1
         • Wairua 1.1.1.1.1

           2 March 2013 at 11:43 am

           +2
2. karol 2

   1 March 2013 at 7:51 am

   Helen, thanks for this, and posting the emails on the Standard.

   Why was Team Jackson not happy with Whipp’s use of the phrase “good faith”? Because they wanted to continue to smear MEAA & Whipp as the bad guys that were coming from Aussie to destabilise the NZ industry?

   Jackson wanted to add details to the public announcement that gave him tight control over the named unions, and that characterised the Hobbitt producer’s and the US companies as being very fair and the actors’ unions as causing instability (bottom email).
3. IrishBill 3

   1 March 2013 at 7:54 am

   It’s not every day you get access to this level of discussion in a major dispute. What I find interesting is the way even Warner’s VP talks about Jackson like he’s a bit crazy.
   • burt 3.1

     1 March 2013 at 8:05 am

     Of course he’s a bit crazy, he’s a highly creative type. The type who proves one size fits all is never the case. The type that actually achieves amazing things rather than lining up for collective mediocrity living some fantasy notion that the objective of life is to fight some imaginary enemy via supporting fat cat union bosses.
     • Colonial Viper 3.1.1

       1 March 2013 at 8:13 am

       Too bad he doesn’t know right from wrong, when it comes down to looking after his own workers.

       Oddly enough, Jackson’s excess creativity was no barrier to him choosing a rational path which raked in tens of millions more tax payer dollars for himself and his Hollywood mogul employers.
       • CnrJoe 3.1.1.1

         1 March 2013 at 9:02 am

         excess creativity – nice one

         Jackson has become Smaug
       • SpaceMonkey 3.1.1.2

         1 March 2013 at 9:26 am

         He has the best accountants and lawyers that money can buy.
     • framu 3.1.2

       1 March 2013 at 9:03 am

       keep peddling those myths about creative people burt – whats next according to the stereotype? PJ cutting off his ear?
       • McFlock 3.1.2.1

         1 March 2013 at 12:12 pm

         Burt must be far too creative for something so derivative 🙂
     • Draco T Bastard 3.1.3

       1 March 2013 at 10:38 am

       burt, PJackson is the fat cat. The union bosses are doing about as well as the other people in the union.
     • Roy 3.1.4

       1 March 2013 at 11:19 am

       Too bad he’s too creative to tell the truth.
     • Mel 3.1.5

       2 March 2013 at 3:48 pm

       Such humour in your post burt.

       The REAL fat cats were Jackson and Warner Brothers who made millions.
   • newsense 3.2

     2 March 2013 at 1:36 pm

     duuude, have you seen his films???

     they are aaaawesome crazy
4. geoff 4

   1 March 2013 at 8:04 am

   Excellent work, Helen. Gerry Brownlee looks really bad after looking at that video. Big Fat Liar.
   His life’s work seems to be to stomp on people’s throats…..and eat pies.
   • mickysavage 4.1

     1 March 2013 at 8:14 am

     Jackson is not too flash on the video either. He talks all around the place but he left me with the impression that he thought the union was delaying when it is clear from the emails that he was the cause of the delay.

     And Jackson’s claim that Warners do not want extra subsidies is palpably incorrect.
     • karol 4.1.1

       1 March 2013 at 8:22 am

       Yes, both Brownlee and Jackson are following the line that Warners don’t trust the unions, especially the Aussie union. The emails show nothing of that alleged distrust.
       • Colonial Viper 4.1.1.1

         1 March 2013 at 8:27 am

         Funny that Hollywood is built on the Actors, Directors and Screenwriters unions isn’t it. Just seems like Hollywood and Jackson enjoyed playing their game of Colonial Masters over here in little ol NZ.
     • Murray Olsen 4.1.2

       1 March 2013 at 6:41 pm

       Jackson comes across as slimy and dishonest as his mate Key. Bugger him, playing the small Kiwi nationalist anti-Aussie card on behalf of a major American company. What a creep.
5. tc 5

   1 March 2013 at 8:11 am

   What complete muppets the NZ public got played for by Slippery and co when will they wake up to the biggest conman they’re likely to ever see.

   Once were a proud nation that stood up to foreign powers and protected our soverign rights, now just lackeys cowering in the corner.
6. Afewknowthetruth 6

   1 March 2013 at 8:12 am

   [deleted]

   [lprent: banned two weeks for thread jacking. ]
7. Tiger Mountain 7

   1 March 2013 at 8:17 am

   Well done Helen, you copped a lot personally over this one, from that dirty filthy Paul Holmes to Brownlee and the rest. Enjoy the sunshine.

   It is a slow burner in some ways and maybe the digital warriors at Weta that were shamefully incited into that Labour Day demo by “Cur” Richard Taylor will get it when their screen time is done in India or somewhere else.

   The torys are definitely on the ropes when Burt has to make an appearance.
   • marty mars 7.1

     1 March 2013 at 8:50 am

     + 1 I agree with TM and I’d also say thank you to you Helen for the personal attacks you had to endure – you handled it well at the time with dignity and now that the liars are out in the sunshine I hope things get even better for you and your work. Your mana has been enhanced by this whole sorry episode because you have integrity. Kia kaha!
     • Rosie 7.1.1

       1 March 2013 at 11:23 am

       + 1 at Tiger Mountain and Marty Mars. As well as having to endure a govt and media anti Union campaign over the Hobbit fiasco, Helen Kelly personally and the Union movement in general have been sidelined and demonised in other industrial issues.
       Pike River springs to mind as does Ports of Auckland
       Union voices have been drowned out by a squawking pro business -at -any- cost media over the last few years at a time when workers need certainty more than ever, and have been denied it.
       On behalf of all workers (including the unemployed workers amongst us!)Thanks to the CTU, public and private sector Unions and most importantly the members and the delegates of those Unions who keep the faith and keep the momentum going. Its your energy and efforts that raise us all up. Kia Kaha.
     • saarbo 7.1.2

       1 March 2013 at 5:53 pm

       +1
     • redbaron77 7.1.3

       2 March 2013 at 2:42 pm

       +1
8. karol 8

   1 March 2013 at 8:18 am

   So, to recap: The emails of the Oct 17 & 18 2010 show that Team Jackson, and Warners knew the Do Not Work notice had been recinded byt Whipp and the unions, and were waiting on Team Jackson to agree on the wording.

   On the morning of 21st October, Fran Walsh (Jackson’s partner) & Phillipa Boyens went on Nine-to-Noon and claimed the notice had not been lifted:

   Fran Walsh:

   Let’s be clear. The boycott has not been lifted and this is one of the reasons why we wrote that statement, because that has not been lifted. And Helen Kelly, no matter how much she said it, it’s not true. If anybody goes to the Screen Actors Guild website, if they look up under hot news they will see that we are blacklisted. So that’s just frankly again, more misinformation.

   (Transcriptase Note: At the time of the interview the SAG website blacklist was still in place – at 4:26pm the NZAE website had posted a lifting of the boycott)

   Continue interview:

   Fran Walsh:

   I don’t want to get upset but this is part of the problem. We have been told every day for a month that the Blacklist is coming off. Every day, we have waited for news of it to be lifted. It has not been lifted. They’re toying with us, and now we are beyond caring whether they do this because the damage is done and the Studio is making their own moves with the film now and it’s rapidly out of our hands.</blockquote.

   By the evening, Jackson is on Close Up agreeing that the "boycott" had been lifted, but now it was too late anyway because the filming was being taken from NZ (as linked by Kelly). He is basically claiming that the situation has been totally destabilised by the nasty Aussie union so Warners still want to take the filming elsewhere. But the tone of the Warners emails doesn't support that claim by Jackson.

   So this was all a manipulation to shift the focus to negotiating with Warners, and using the anti (Aussie) union smear as a reason for changing the law to suit Warners.
   .
   • karol 8.1

     1 March 2013 at 8:19 am

     Edit:

     Fran Walsh:

     Let’s be clear. The boycott has not been lifted and this is one of the reasons why we wrote that statement, because that has not been lifted. And Helen Kelly, no matter how much she said it, it’s not true. If anybody goes to the Screen Actors Guild website, if they look up under hot news they will see that we are blacklisted. So that’s just frankly again, more misinformation.

     (Transcriptase Note: At the time of the interview the SAG website blacklist was still in place – at 4:26pm the NZAE website had posted a lifting of the boycott)

     Continue interview:

     Fran Walsh:

     I don’t want to get upset but this is part of the problem. We have been told every day for a month that the Blacklist is coming off. Every day, we have waited for news of it to be lifted. It has not been lifted. They’re toying with us, and now we are beyond caring whether they do this because the damage is done and the Studio is making their own moves with the film now and it’s rapidly out of our hands.

     By the evening, Jackson is on Close Up agreeing that the “boycott” had been lifted, but now it was too late anyway because the filming was being taken from NZ (as linked by Kelly). He is basically claiming that the situation has been totally destabilised by the nasty Aussie union so Warners still want to take the filming elsewhere. But the tone of the Warners emails doesn’t support that claim by Jackson.

     So this was all a manipulation to shift the focus to negotiating with Warners, and using the anti (Aussie) union smear as a reason for changing the law to suit Warners.
     • Colonial Viper 8.1.1

       1 March 2013 at 8:30 am

       Both Boyens and Walsh have come out of this looking like liars and disappointments. So much for a NZ espirit de corps. The only thing which matters to these egomaniacs is getting their own way ahead of everyone elses. And putting out lies in the national media is just another road ahead for them.
     • mickysavage 8.1.2

       1 March 2013 at 8:32 am

       Even the law change was weird. There are thousands upon thousands of valid contractor contracts in NZ’s film industry that are robust and have the desired result.

       The Government mucked up the drafting and it was arguable that the originally proposed change had no effect.

       Charles Chauvel intervened and very helpfully suggested some changes which the Government enacted.

       But it was not necessary.

       And Warners then held out their hand for $35 mil more although I expect the Government was happy to pay the money so that it then bash the unions a bit more.

       The whole episode involved some good old union bashing, some hysteria from Peter Jackson and so gold old fashioned greed by Warners.

       Shameful really.
     • Roy 8.1.3

       1 March 2013 at 11:23 am

       So liar Jackson has a partner who also lies. Birds of a feather, and all that.
       • Colonial Viper 8.1.3.1

         1 March 2013 at 12:45 pm

         Comfortable nest of warm cosy money to cushion any ethical discomfort
9. vto 9

   1 March 2013 at 8:24 am

   Gerry Brownlee

   John Key

   Peter Jackson

   Liars liars
   liars

   liars lying lying lying bastards.

   They must never be trusted again.

   Stand up Jackson you bloody coward. Answer the issue. How have you not lied to me, as a taxpayer and member of the NZ public? Explain yourself.
10. ianmac 10

    1 March 2013 at 8:34 am

    Compare and Contrast.

    NZ Government and the People stands up on Principle and declares NZ to be Nuclear Free in defiance of the USA.

    2010. A different Government with very different principles caves in to a USA film studio at the expense of Taxpayers and in spite of International Legal obligations. Key players duck and hide and deny.
11. muzza 11

    1 March 2013 at 8:44 am

    It should come as no surprise that NZ continues to be ripped of by our so called *kiwi compatriots*.

    This country has been taken over, hollowed out, and the vultures are picking over the bones.

    The Brownlees, Keys, Jacksons of this world , are not kiwis, its debatable whether they are even human beings with the way they treat people.

    These so called kiwis, are nothing of the sort, and they need to be called out for the puppets they are!

    Where will it all end up!
    • burt 11.1

      2 March 2013 at 6:08 pm

      The hollowing out might have started with LOTR .., but I guess the red team did that so it was a good thing for government to do.
12. Skinny 12

    1 March 2013 at 8:52 am

    With all due respect Helen it’s called ‘first strike.’

    1. You must have been  aware Jackass Jackson had been submitting & lobbying for employment law changes since ( and probably before) the 6ft scrap? 

    2. Judas Key the money trader & Pork chop  Brownlee are free marketeers and pesky Unions cramp their ability to make more of a buck, anti Union is an understatement.

    So why didn’t you arrange 
    with Whipp a press conference to announce an end to the do not work -blacklist. You would have come out as the voice of reason, instead you got played and the fallout ( spin) was ugly.

    IrishBill I agree Warners would be thinking Jackson was a bit crazy because Jackson/Warners / Key wouldn’t have a shit show in hell of pulling off such a stunt like this in the States.

    What was f****** disturbing 
    was the amount of chicken little Kiwi’s that came out of the woodwork in support of Jackson & Key. Law changes to suit a foreign Corporate, over night, & under urgency was a black day in our history. Not to mention the windfall of taxpayers cash Keys cousins the Warner brothers got.
    • just saying 12.1

      1 March 2013 at 10:06 am

      Yeah, Hindsight’s 20/20.
      Tell us something we don’t know.
      • Skinny 12.1.1

        1 March 2013 at 12:43 pm

        I hang one on Key the other day lol
13. framu 13

    1 March 2013 at 9:04 am

    Just where is Epping Road?
    • Colonial Viper 13.1

      1 March 2013 at 9:10 am

      Contract expired
      • framu 13.1.1

        1 March 2013 at 9:13 am

        he/she/it shouldve joined a union 🙂
    • lprent 13.2

      1 March 2013 at 10:01 am

      Currently on a weeks ban. He tried to tell Irish what Irish had said. Never wise..
      • mickysavage 13.2.1

        1 March 2013 at 10:30 am

        You should let him back in lprent just to see his response to this latest disclosure. His twisting and turning would be entertaining …
        • McFlock 13.2.1.1

          1 March 2013 at 12:21 pm

          lol nah.

          It’s the only way they’ll learn.
    • Weta 13.3

      1 March 2013 at 1:01 pm

      The most prominent one links the suburb of Epping with central Sydney.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epping_Road

      Channel 7 is in Epping.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATN

      Put ‘Epping’ into
      http://maps.google.com.au/

      Epping is also a parliamentary constituency in the UK, once held
      by Winston Churchill (ever heard of Epping Forest ?).
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epping_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

      .. none of which may be relevant to the person or persons posting
      as ‘Epping Rd’.
      • framu 13.3.1

        1 March 2013 at 1:50 pm

        🙂
14. marsman 14

    1 March 2013 at 9:39 am

    Will Peter Jackson now ensure that Warner Bros pays back the $35 million they rorted from the NZ taxpayer?

    Great work Helen!
15. Sanctuary 15

    1 March 2013 at 9:49 am

    Did John Drinnan have a dig at Russell Brown in this morning’s Herald?

    “…Bloggers with buddies in the self-employed industry were outraged that organised labour might be allowed in…”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10868478
    • veutoviper 15.1

      1 March 2013 at 10:09 am

      I also wondered whether that was an oblique reference to Russell Brown. Drinnan was less oblique re Wellington media including the Dom Post; however, he doesn’t appear to have caught up with Helen’s latest release of emails.

      But it is good to now see the media not letting this die quietly. Radio NZ National covered it in its overnight news broadcasts and Morning Report.

      Tim Watkin also has a post over at Pundit which includes comments on and a link to the emails released by Helen Kelly – “The Hobbit Time for answers John, Peter & Richard”

      http://pundit.co.nz/content/the-hobbit-time-for-answers-john-peter-richard

      Good on you Helen!
      • uke 15.1.1

        1 March 2013 at 10:47 am

        10:45am: and nothing yet on the Stuff website about the new emails.

        Must be hard getting the pro-government spin worked out this morning…
        • quartz 15.1.1.1

          1 March 2013 at 10:48 am

          When it comes to film, the Dom is a company paper in a company town.
    • Tiger Mountain 15.2

      1 March 2013 at 11:28 am

      Definitely not Rusty’s finest moment, “The Chev” and the “Lynn” was all a flutter for a week or two, where has his attack poodle Craig gone lately…
16. Maggie May 16

    1 March 2013 at 9:58 am

    New Zealanders love their heroes and love to share their successes with them but give a Kiwi a sniff that that wealth was earned in an underhand way and we become feral.

    It is usually those who do not want the means of acquiring that wealth looked into call it “The Tall Poppy Syndrome” in an effort to close the subject down. “Nasty, envious people they say”, But who has been the nasty’s here?
17. Michael Morris 17

    1 March 2013 at 10:05 am

    The Hobbit was also tarnished with accusations of animal abuse, and when the wrangler brought this up, the Jackson mob, together with the SPCA, which does not care about animals other than cats and dogs, responded in time honoured fashion – by discrediting the whistleblower.
    • Roy 17.1

      1 March 2013 at 2:58 pm

      …despite the fact that LOTR was also tarnished with accounts of abuse of horses. Getting to be a pattern.
18. quartz 18

    1 March 2013 at 10:56 am

    Where all the righties at?
    • Socialist Paddy 18.1

      1 March 2013 at 12:24 pm

      Here wingnut wingnut wingnut …

      Here wingnut wingnut wingnut …
      • Pascal's bookie 18.1.1

        1 March 2013 at 12:28 pm

        It would appear that dox are like kryptonite to tories
      • Colonial Viper 18.1.2

        1 March 2013 at 12:33 pm

        Here wingnut wingnut wingnut …

        I guess we were warned early on…

        http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wingnut_Films&redirect=no
    • Winston Smith 18.2

      1 March 2013 at 1:51 pm

      I would hazard a guess and say they have probably been banned.
      • Draco T Bastard 18.2.1

        1 March 2013 at 6:14 pm

        Nope. Well, not most of them. I’d say that they’re hiding under the bed hoping that reality will go away.
    • infused 18.3

      2 March 2013 at 1:04 am

      Not much point having a view on here anyone if it’s not the view of the writers. You will be banned. Especially if Irish wrote it.
      • infused 18.3.1

        2 March 2013 at 1:05 am

        Editing is fucked. Should be anymore.
      • IrishBill 18.3.2

        2 March 2013 at 6:09 am

        Be a good wee fella and address the topic of the post.
        • infused 18.3.2.1

          3 March 2013 at 1:08 am

          I was answering the posters. Feel free to ban me. You have exceptional skill at this.
          • Colonial Viper 18.3.2.1.1

            3 March 2013 at 1:16 am

            easy ‘look at me’ target
19. hellonearthis 19

    1 March 2013 at 12:38 pm

    The Govt didn’t do a good job on blacking out those email addresses in the PDF doc, with zooming in and contrast adjusting, most are able to be read.
    Govt fails on peoples privacy again.
20. mickysavage 20

    1 March 2013 at 12:51 pm

    Interesting that in Australia not too long beforehand Warners threatened to take the Green Lantern movie away because of difficulties caused by currency fluctuations. Instead they negotiated for a further $25 million out of the State Government. I am not sure if they succeeded.

    It appears that the MPAA and scary Aussie Trade Unionists do not appear to have been a factor in Aussie being chosen as a base for that or any other movie.

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/entertainment/film/green-lantern-may-fly-from-sydney/2009/08/26/1251001943980.html
    • Winston Smith 20.1

      1 March 2013 at 1:53 pm

      Thought you might like to see this:

      http://www.smh.com.au/news/film/mega-miller-movie-refused-rebate/2008/03/18/1205602383792.html
      • Colonial Viper 20.1.1

        1 March 2013 at 3:59 pm

        Tory Government a soft touch for Big Corporates
      • karol 20.1.2

        1 March 2013 at 4:05 pm

        Yes, the Justice League is the one movie the righties keep referring to as the evidence that MEAA destroyed the Aussie movie industry. Good on them for saving the financing for actual Aussie movies, and not ones that aim to support US corporates, and spread US values and culture.

        Got anything else?
      • Weta 20.1.3

        1 March 2013 at 4:12 pm

        They are both comic book hero movies. There are not many redeeming features, frankly. They could be made anywhere. If you want cost-efficiency, I suggest Bengal – home of Rabindranath Tagore and a few other creative types from long before Sir Peter Jackson was born. No shortage of talent .. it might even authenticity to any further ventures because Tolkien was said to be inspired to write The Hobbitt while convalescing in Pokhara in Nepal after the war by the short and sturdy frames and indomitable spirit of the local Nepalese. Sounds familiar ?

        I did not see any hairy toes, but there are unsubstantiated rumours of yeti or ‘abominable sowmen’ in the Himalaya where might have got it from.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_of_Bengal
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_Film_Journalists%27_Association_%E2%80%93_Best_Director_Award
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pokhara
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abominable_snowman
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_of_Nepal
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Nepal
        • Weta 20.1.3.1

          2 March 2013 at 6:06 am

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabindranath_tagore
          • Weta 20.1.3.1.1

            2 March 2013 at 6:08 am

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baul
            • Weta 20.1.3.1.1.1

              9 March 2013 at 9:36 am

              “Even Tolkien couldn’t have just imagined a place so stunning. His fabled Misty Mountains in Middle Earth, those lofty sentinels of Rivendell, seem inspired by the forever fog-draped mountains of… no not Switzerland, not New Zealand… but Nagaland. Yup, Tolkien was there.”

              http://kunzum.com/docs/kunzum-mag-july11.pdf

              See page.8
              • Weta …

                9 March 2013 at 10:19 am

                “A lakeside that honors Bob Marley, Cat Stevens and is fond of telling stories of JRR Tolkien visiting to gain inspiration for his mythic, Nordic hobbit tale.”

                http://lesliechand.blogspot.co.nz/2011/12/ke-chha-pokhara.html
21. Rogue Trooper 21

    1 March 2013 at 6:35 pm

    Mr Majestyk
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0268995/
22. xtasy 22

    1 March 2013 at 11:20 pm

    I heard National Radio’s Focus on Politics tonight, that was enough to convince me of the whole dealings by Key and Jackson and consorts to have been manipulative and rotten to the core.

    Brownlee doged questions he should have been able to answer, but Slippery tried to talk his way out of it.

    What really makes me furious is the government’s handling of OIA requests. There is a lot of scandalous dodging going on by leading government agencies and departments, they delay responses, do not respond and unjustifiable refuse to respond.

    What the hell was the OIA, introduced under a Nat led government by the way, really mean to do. It is being betrayed and treated as crap by this government as it never has been before.

    I am by the way waiting with some requesters for info from WINZ and so, and they are simply NOT RESPONDING.

    NZ is more or less run like a corrupt dictatorship of sorts now. Disgusting this is.
    • Agora 22.1

      2 March 2013 at 5:58 am

      According to a PricewaterhouseCooper survey in in 2011 NZ had the 4th highest level of fraud out of 78 countries surveyed.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_New_Zealand

      Things have changed.
    • Draco T Bastard 22.2

      2 March 2013 at 12:37 pm

      NZ is more or less run like a corrupt dictatorship of sorts now. Disgusting this is.

      Yep, been that way for awhile. In fact, that was what the OIA was originally for – to break the idea that we were a dictatorship but no government has ever liked being held to account by it.
23. Kay 23

    2 March 2013 at 1:10 am

    In the book, “The Hobbit” by J R R Tolkein Bilbo is offered a job with terms spelled out in a two paragraph letter. It reads: Terms: cash on delivery, up to and not exceeding one fourteenth of total profits (if any); all travelling expenses guaranteed in any event; funeral expenses to be defrayed by us or our representatives, if occasion arises and the matter is not otherwise arranged for.

    The first film of “The Hobbit” trilogy saw Bilbo being presented with a lengthy contract with many clauses, no doubt inserted by Peter Jackson as a dig at the union. I’m pretty sure though that most film workers would have been happier with the original employment agreement of an equal share of the profits. But even in the book, greed over hoarded gold is shown as leading to bitter endings.
24. Kay 24

    2 March 2013 at 1:10 am

    In the book, “The Hobbit” by J R R Tolkein, Bilbo is offered a job with terms spelled out in a two paragraph letter. It reads: Terms: cash on delivery, up to and not exceeding one fourteenth of total profits (if any); all travelling expenses guaranteed in any event; funeral expenses to be defrayed by us or our representatives, if occasion arises and the matter is not otherwise arranged for.

    The first film of “The Hobbit” trilogy saw Bilbo being presented with a lengthy contract with many clauses, no doubt inserted by Peter Jackson as a dig at the union. I’m pretty sure though that most film workers would have been happier with the original employment agreement of an equal share of the profits. But even in the book, greed over hoarded gold is shown as leading to bitter endings.
    • Agora 24.1

      2 March 2013 at 6:00 am

      Double post, methinks. Easily done at 1.10 AM.

      lprent; .. a bit of judicious and ethical editing ?
25. vto 25

    2 March 2013 at 8:05 am

    Those of us who go about our business are subject to the Fair Trading Act which bans “misleading and deceptive conduct in trade”.

    I also know that taking court action under the Fair Trading Act is easy.

    Hobbit is trade. There was misleading and deceptive conduct. Take the action.
    • vto 25.1

      2 March 2013 at 8:07 am

      The liars of Key and Brownlee, and the lies of Jackson, refuse to be answered by these weak men. There is only one place where a ruling can be made and which cannot be ignore and that is the High Court.

      There would be no escape.
26. irascible 26

    2 March 2013 at 8:21 am

    So the Herald crows about KeY’s PR spin to escape scrutiny for his double dealings and shonkey behaviour then says there should be more public scrutiny of the Hobbit, Sky City and Asset sales activity and involvement by Key by responsible media and opposition.
    Bizarre……
    • tc 26.1

      2 March 2013 at 9:26 am

      Not bizarre just more doing their masters bidding soothing the masses
27. Phil 27

    2 March 2013 at 10:29 am

    A story which seems to be getting almost no press, how unusual in NZ eh?
    Tolkien own words in a letter to his son;
    .. it is distressing to see the press grovelling in the gutter
28. aerobubble 28

    2 March 2013 at 12:02 pm

    So Key didn’t raise GST to pay for the Hobbit movie kickbacks?
29. jim 29

    2 March 2013 at 3:05 pm

    So what is new.It has and will always be a battle for the workers to get a fair deal.Ok Gerry (the builder)and his crony capitalist mates have been sprung with their hands in the till of untruths and slurs against those workers and their organization!s that oppose capitals profit exploitation of their members.

    Crying over spilt milk will not resolve it.Those who care about workers rights and the dally battle that, that entails, will learn from it, as those battlers have in the past.

    Aside from a apology from Gerry (builder)for the slur made about the integrity of the President of the C.T.U.nothing.A apology only a egit would hold their breath for.
30. Penny Bright 30

    2 March 2013 at 3:46 pm

    A bit of history?

    ‘Open Letter’ to NZ Prime Minister John Key -remember National’s 2008 industrial relations’ policy?

    27 October 2010

    ‘Open Letter’ to NZ Prime Minister John Key
    – remember National’s 2008 industrial relations’ policy?

    Dear Prime Minister,

    May I respectfully suggest that you should refresh your memory on what YOU stated was National’s 2008: Employment & Workplace Relations Policy?

    Or is this yet again – another broken promise from the National Government YOU lead?

    Also – now you have seemingly become the ‘Minister for Industrial Relations’, may I respectfully suggest that perhaps you get a firmer grasp on the underpinning principles of ‘good faith bargaining’?

    http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleId=28271

    2008: Employment & Workplace Relations Policy

    by Rt Hon John Key, Labour & Industrial Relations

    24 July 2008

    EXPANDING JOB OPPORTUNITIES, LETTING BUSINESSES GROW

    National believes employment law should treat all parties fairly.
    …………………….

    • Protect employees and employers.
    ……………………….
    • Continue to support the social partnership with Business NZ and the CTU. …………………”

    In order to assist – I have taken the liberty of ‘cutting and pasting’ some of the underpinning basic requirements of ‘good faith bargaining’:

    http://www.ers.dol.govt.nz/bargaining/good_faith.html

    “The Employment Relations Act 2000 sets out some basic requirements for good faith bargaining.
    In summary, employers and unions involved in collective bargaining must:

    * use their best endeavours to agree to an effective bargaining process

    * meet and consider and respond to proposals made by each other

    ………………
    * not do anything to undermine the bargaining process or the authority of the other’s representative.”

    The duty of good faith also means that an employer must not advise an employee or seek to induce them not to be covered by collective bargaining or a collective agreement.

    An employer is also prohibited from passing on conditions in a collective agreement to an employee not covered by the collective bargaining terms where the effect of passing on would undermine the bargaining or intends doing so.

    If the pass on occurs with the agreement of the union concerned, it is not a breach of good faith.”

    Code of Good Faith in Collective Bargaining:

    (May I respectfully suggest that you make some time to get up to speed with this as well – if you are going to play such a major role in NZ ‘industrial relations’?)

    http://www.ers.dol.govt.nz/goodfaith/code.html

    “Text of the code of good faith

    Section 1 Introduction

    1.1. The purpose of this generic code is to give guidance to employers and unions (‘the parties’) on their duty to act in good faith when bargaining for a collective agreement or variation to a collective agreement under the Employment Relations Act 2000 (‘the Act’).

    1.2. This code is not a substitute for the Act.
    However, the Employment Relations Authority (‘the Authority’) or the Employment Court (‘the Court’) may have regard to it in determining whether or not the parties have dealt with each other in good faith in bargaining for a collective agreement.

    1.3. Good faith under the Act requires the parties to an employment relationship to be active and constructive in establishing and maintaining a productive employment relationship.

    This includes a requirement that the parties are responsive and communicative and do not do anything likely to mislead or deceive each other.
    ………………………… ……”

    How is it ‘fair’ for you as NZ Prime Minister John Key, to be so openly biased towards film industry employers in this Hobbit matter?

    The NZ Companies Office – provides the evidence that Peter Jackson is both a shareholder and Director of Wingnut Films – which has already publicly advertised for acting staff for the Hobbit.

    Richard Taylor is a Director of Weta Ltd – which has already carried out work for the Hobbit.

    So – both have a direct pecuniary interest in the Hobbit on the side of film industry ’employers’.

    With all due respect Prime Minister, it is my considered opinion that the attacks on Actors Equity, MEAA and those advocating on behalf of their members by Peter Jackson, Richard Taylor and yourself, have been a disgrace.

    To help close the wages gap with Australia – I respectfully suggest that as Prime Minister, you should be helping to implement legislative change which encourages unions’ ability to achieve collective bargaining and collective agreements.

    Unless of course ‘closing the wages gap with Australia’ is yet another hollow, broken National Party promise?

    BACKGROUND INFORMATION WHICH PROVES AUSTRALIAN WORKERS ARE BETTER OFF IN UNIONS WITH REGISTERED COLLECTIVE AGREEMENTS:

    “Australian Bureau of Statistics figures published in March 2005 show that hourly wages of workers on AWAs (Australian Workplace Agreements) were two percent lower than the hourly wages of workers on registered collective agreements, mostly negotiated by unions.[3]

    [ 3. ^ The impact on Workers of Australian Workplace Agreements by Professor David Peetz, June 2005. ABS Statistics show a two percent disparity in wages between AWAs and collective agreements – Page 11.]

    For women, AWAs paid 11 % less per hour than collective agreements.[4]

    [ 4. ^ The impact on Workers of Australian Workplace Agreements by Professor David Peetz, June 2005. Women’s earnings 11% less under AWAs on Page 11.]
    ______________________________________________

    Australian workplace agreements (AWAs) were formalised individual agreements negotiated by the boss and employee.

    Employers could offer “take it or leave it” AWAs as a condition of employment.

    They were registered by the employment advocate and did not require a dispute resolution procedure.

    These agreements operate only at the federal level. AWAs were individual written agreements on terms and conditions of employment between an employer and employee in Australia, under the Workplace Relations Act 1996. An AWA could override employment conditions in state or territory laws except for occupational health and safety, workers’ compensation or training arrangements.

    An AWA was required to meet only the most minimal Australian Fair Pay and Conditions Standard. Agreements were not require to include effective dispute resolution procedure, and could not include prohibited content. Agreements were for a maximum of five years; approved, promoted and registered by the Workplace Authority; operate to the exclusion of any award; and prohibit industrial action regarding details in the agreement for the life of the agreement.

    The introduction of the Australian Workplace Agreements was a controversial industrial relations issue in Australia.

    During a Senate Estimates hearing on May 29, 2006, Peter McIlwain, Head of the Office of the Employment Advocate (OEA) detailed that from a sample of 4 per cent, or 250, of the total 6,263 AWAs lodged during April 2006 after WorkChoices was introduced, that:

    100% of AWAs removed at least one protected Award condition;

    64% of AWAs have removed annual leave loadings;

    63% of AWAs have stripped out penalty rates;

    52% of AWAs have cut out shift loadings;

    40% of AWAs have dropped gazetted public holidays; and 16% of AWAs, have slashed all award conditions and only the Government’s five minimum conditions are satisfied.[6]

    [6. ^ Percentage of Union and Non-union Certified Agreements in the Federal Public Service from Union gets ready for hostile Senate by Verona Burgess, Australian Financial Review, 8 April 2005, as published in CPSU bulletin April 2005 ] ”

    Arguably, the best way to help close the ‘wage gap’ between Australia and New Zealand, is for NZ to emulate effective Australian unionism, and legislation which enables and protects union organisation and collective bargaining?

    Yours sincerely,

    Penny Bright
31. jim 31

    2 March 2013 at 5:28 pm

    Voluntary unionism is the only way for those to seek a fair deal in the Labour market without to much stress.
    • Colonial Viper 31.1

      2 March 2013 at 5:31 pm

      I agree. Every work place should be required to give their workers union membership forms on the first day of employment.
32. Mike S 32

    2 March 2013 at 10:44 pm

    I’ve come to think that a large proportion of New Zealanders don’t mind being lied to. The number of times this government has outright lied is huge yet Key is still hugely popular in polls. (Although polls are hardly scientific)
33. vto 33

    3 March 2013 at 11:48 am

    I have seen anything yet …. does anyone know if either Peter Jackson has explained the lie or apologised yet?

    Or does the knighthooded one just try and stay quiet and hope it all goes away like some spindly coward.
    • Arfamo 33.1

      3 March 2013 at 11:51 am

      The latter I suspect. It’ll be a successful strategy too. There will be countless other distractions in the months ahead. Did anyone take back Michael Fay’s knighthood?
34. Ugly Truth 34

    3 March 2013 at 12:00 pm

    “The Government and others lied to the people of New Zealand in an effort to retain the perception of a crisis in order to gain legitimacy for its actions.”

    The perception of crisis drives the perception of need, and need is the basis of lawlessness.

    “That which is otherwise not lawful is made lawful by necessity” – Bracton’s maxim.

    So what has Warner Brothers got to do with lawlessness? Have a look at Mike Mozart’s video, which points out that the same corporations behind SOPA actually distributed the file sharing software that is used to distribute copyrighted material. Warner, one of the supporters of SOPA, distributed file sharing software like BitTorrent & Kazaa via AOL.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJIuYgIvKsc

    NZ’s civil system was founded on lawlessness:

    VICTORIA … has deemed it necessary … to establish a settled form of Civil Government … with a view to avert the evil consequences which must result from the absence of the necessary Laws and Institutions alike …
    • Tom 34.1

      4 March 2013 at 12:09 pm

      +1
35. Rob 35

    4 March 2013 at 10:21 pm

    Despicable behaviour from Jackson and his cronies. What a bunch of two faced, brown nosing, money hungry, manipulative tools.

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