The plot to hack The Standard

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As reported by Newshub:

Whale Oil blogger revealed as man behind hack plot

Newshub can reveal controversial right-wing blogger Cameron Slater was at the centre of a plot to hack political website The Standard.

His motivation was to embarrass and undermine Labour leader Andrew Little by unmasking anonymous contributors to the site he claimed were connected to the party.

Slater, who writes the Whale Oil blog, was charged with attempting to procure access to a computer system for a dishonest purpose on December 17 last year. However, court orders prevented the media revealing his identity, detailing the exact charge against him or naming the website involved.

IT consultant Ben Rachinger was charged at the same time, accused of deceiving Slater out of $1000. Suppression orders also meant Newshub couldn’t connect that charge, Slater and The Standard plot that was first revealed on TV3’s The Nation.

Slater sought a court order to keep his name and the details of this case secret forever. However Newshub and others, including the owner of The Standard, fought him in court and won.

TV3’s The Nation last year revealed hundreds of encrypted texts between Rachinger and Slater discussing “the mission”. Slater paid a $1000 down payment for the hack. The contract for the cyber break-in was worth a total of $5000 on completion. But the mission was never completed; Rachinger reported the plot to police.

At the time Slater denied any involvement, but has since admitted his role as part of the police diversion scheme that allows some offenders to escape conviction if they admit guilt. …

See also David Fisher in The Herald.

Jessica Williams at The Spinoff doesn’t hold back on the hypocrisy of Slater’s suppression.

128 comments on “The plot to hack The Standard ”

  1. Ovid 1

    The police adult diversion policy is here. Interesting how he qualified for diversion given that he has already been convicted of previous offending – breaching name suppression in 2010

    • mickysavage 1.1

      +1

    • Draco T Bastard 1.2

      Yep. Reading that he simply doesn’t qualify.

    • Hanswurst 1.3

      The previous conviction doesn’t appear to speak directly against his being granted diversion here, since it is a number of years ago and quite a different matter (both criteria mentioned in the document, although I’ve no idea how they are usually applied). Also, it is possible that it fits the criterion of being an “underlying problem” that may benefit from counselling.

      What interests me is that his offending, at least as far as it has been reported, would seem to meet the majority of the aggravating factors listed, and almost none of the mitigating ones. Also, as linked below, he seems quite happy (as ever) to flout the spirit of a guilty plea by going onto his blog and attempting to mimimise his offending, although it would surprise me if he hadn’t already taken legal advice on what he can afford to publish.

      • lprent 1.3.1

        The previous convictions were for exactly the same reason.

        He wanted to boost the page views for his site, and to get some media attention.

        That this required some skill levels that he didn’t have (and that he was incapable of hiring) was the only thing that prevented him from fulfilling it.

        It still caused me a lot of harm. More than week of work in a spare time to check for illegal access and build higher defenses against the higher risk. If that had been for a customer, then it would have been well over ten thousand dollars in charges.

        It is a pretty clear pattern of similar and related offending.

        Quite why the police seemed to think that it was a victimless crime is beyond me. Clearly they don’t value other peoples time.

        • Hanswurst 1.3.1.1

          I think we are both of the opinion that his actions are of the type that warrant harsher penalties. I just don’t think it would be that fruitful in the real world arguing that his previous convictions in themselves annull his elligibility for diversion now, since it can plausibly be argued that they were several years ago, and of a different nature. It seems far more pertinent to me that eligibility for diversion requires his claiming full responsibility before the courts, and yet he is now abrogating that responsibility in public. On the other hand, you know the history and the current proceedings much better than I do.

  2. Puckish Rogue 2

    When you mess up you take the punishment meted out, accept whats going to happen to you and make sure you don’t do it again

    • McFlock 2.1

      Which would point to a certain level of integrity and common sense, if you didn’t proceed to twice request the same protection that you violated when it was granted to others.

    • Anno1701 2.2

      unless its a debt, then bung your asserts in a trust and laugh at your creditors when they want paying….

      classic !

    • “When you mess up you take the punishment meted out, accept whats going to happen to you and make sure you don’t do it again but only if you get caught” (Fify)

    • One Anonymous Bloke 2.4

      Please link to a recent example of someone connected to the New Zealand centre-right living up to that principle.

    • Tricledrown 2.5

      Perrenial Recidivist.
      Something stinks when the right have all ways been tough on crime.
      I would like to know who in the police organisation made the decision to divert.
      SST where are you.

  3. save nz 3

    The question is also, is Slater a middle man, did someone pay Slater to get someone to hack the Standard. And who might that be?

    • Lanthanide 3.1

      Slater suggests in his conversations with Ben that he is a middle man.

      Hard to tell if it’s true or just more of his bluster. But given how skint he always seems to be (since he’s always begging for money), it seems unlikely he’d be paying $1k of his own cash.

    • weka 3.2

      From what I remember Rachinger said Slater was a go between.

    • Rodel 3.3

      I think in a text to Rachinger he referred to his ‘funder’. In the words of BHO ,
      ‘it’s anyone’s guess who she might be.’

    • Rodel 3.4

      I think in a text to Rachinger, he referred to his, ‘funder’.
      In the words of BHO, ‘ that’s anyone’s guess who she might be’.

    • joe90 4.1

      Alternative link.

      http://archive.is/kidgW

      • Anne 4.1.1

        Quote from link:

        Few people will have sat through a 7 hour interview without a break, alone, facing several highly skilled professional interrogators with long backgrounds in New Zealand’s security services, where they hammer you on every detail, repeatedly. Like a criminal in fact.

        That he thinks he was so important. Delusional….

    • Ovid 4.2

      From the diversion criteria I mentioned above :

      Accepts responsibility for offence
      The offender must accept full responsibility for the offence by:
      * admitting that they committed the offence
      * showing remorse for their actions, and
      * having intimated (but not entered) a guilty plea to the offence (optional).

      Slater’s statements:

      I did not order the hacking of The Standard blog.Ben never hacked The Standard, and I never ordered the hack.

      don’t strike me as those of a man accepting responsibility.

      • Hanswurst 4.2.1

        True. He states that he was guilty of “attempting to access a computer for a dishonest purpose”. His intimations of extreme emotional stress and falling victim to subterfuge, as well as the claim that he “never ordered the hack”, seem to be denying full responsibility for “attempting to access a computer for a disonest purpose”. Accepting full responsibility means saying, “I attempted to access a computer for a dishonest purpose and am fully responsible for that attempt”. Anything short of that doesn’t qualify, surely?

        Equally, if he feels that his admission of guilt is only pro forma, and he is not guilty of any “real” crime, he should either plead guilty and face the consequences of conviction (which will presumably be minimal if the court agrees) or plead not guilty and argue his case for that before the court. He appears to be trying to have his cake and eat it too. The purposes of diversion are stated to be rehabilitation, i. e. for improving the behaviour of individuals who have committed a real misdemeanour requiring personal correction (which Slater appears to deny), or for giving first-time offenders a second chance (he isn’t a first-time offender). He really seems to be undermining his eligibility at the moment.

        • lprent 4.2.1.1

          He was charged under section 311 of the Crimes Act for trying to procure an offense under s 249(2)

          311 Attempt to commit or procure commission of offence

          (1) Every one who attempts to commit any offence in respect of which no punishment for the attempt is expressly prescribed by this Act or by some other enactment is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years if the maximum punishment for that offence is imprisonment for life, and in any other case is liable to not more than half the maximum punishment to which he or she would have been liable if he or she had committed that offence.

          (2) Every one who incites, counsels, or attempts to procure any person to commit any offence, when that offence is not in fact committed, is liable to the same punishment as if he or she had attempted to commit that offence, unless in respect of any such case a punishment is otherwise expressly provided by this Act or by some other enactment.

          He was clearly guilty by his own admission in court and in his statements of trying to procure :-

          249 Accessing computer system for dishonest purpose
          (2) Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years who, directly or indirectly, accesses any computer system with intent, dishonestly or by deception, and without claim of right,—
          (a) to obtain any property, privilege, service, pecuniary advantage, benefit, or valuable consideration; or
          (b) to cause loss to any other person.

          • Sacha 4.2.1.1.1

            Yet now that he has hoodwinked the court and cops into deploying the wet bus ticket and letting him off, the cowardly scumbag is claiming he thought he was buying information already procured rather than inciting its procurement. So why not plead ‘not guilty’?

    • Richardrawshark 4.3

      listen enough, the mere linking to,, he that shall remain nameless, and his .err site, is a no no. please remove it. Before it spreads like a virus.

  4. Colonial Viper 5

    Thanks for the effort you put into this, lprent, and friends of The Standard.

    And I do appreciate that Rachinger went to the police, eventually.

    • weka 5.1

      Thanks from me too. I’m guessing more effort was involved than is immediately obvious.

    • lprent 5.2

      I will be going along to support Rachinger.

      I really wasn’t aware that there were any arseholes around willing to pay for trying to hack into my home computer.

      It wouldn’t have been much of a problem for The Standard apart from the time if they trashed it. The paranoid fantasies of that spectacular idiot Cameron Slater that MPs post on here anonymously was just strange.

      However my server contains a lot of material from decades of volunteer work and working with others on their projects. Not to mention my personal email system, photos, legal documents, and god knows what else.

      Cameron Slater is the kind of arsehole who’d take a great deal of pleasure in spinning that. Just look at what he did to Matt Blomfield when he was probably paid to trash him using his hard disk.

      • McFlock 5.2.1

        Rachinger’s charged with theft by deception.

        Silly bugger time: surely the deception was that he promised to commit a crime in exchange for money – but if contracts to do illegal acts aren’t binding, so legally Slater only paid the cash on the off chance that an illegal act might happen. If not, does slater get a refund?

  5. Meany Beany 6

    Unbelievable hypocrisy!

  6. Repateet 7

    If it were someone else, particularly if of another political persuasion, Slater for the rest of his life would refer to the person as a ‘criminal”. Probably enriched with “that low life leftist scum” criminal.

  7. Nessalt 8

    lol, did the [deleted] think that would fly?

    Coincedentally, he slowed linking to you as examples of idiocy around the time this happened IIR

    [ Yawn. Think about your put downs. Cheers] – Bill

  8. save nz 9

    If you are the son of a National party, you get off even if you are a recidivist offender and offer zero remorse.

    Slater should be checking out Serco conditions personally.

    In fact Julie Christie could make a reality TV version of it!

  9. Rodel 10

    When asked about his relationship with Mr Slater the Prime Minister said..’Panda’s coming soon..look!’

  10. Allan Rattee 11

    This surely qualifies as “Hypocrit of The Year” for the Guiness Book of Records???

    • NZJester 11.1

      I think he is in the running for “Hypocrit of The Year”, but his good old txting buddy might take that crown from him after all these panama paper dumps are properly looked at!

  11. weka 12

    Have I got this right? The police laid charges against Slater and Rachinger without actually talking to anyone at The Standard Trust?

  12. McFlock 13

    Should have paid him via an offshore trust.

  13. Michael 14

    Woooooooow.

  14. adam 15

    Silly question, but BLiP as the master of keeping good records.

    Is there enough to make a list of Slater’s criminal behaviour?

    Also another silly Question – Lprent can you now do a private prosecution for damages?

  15. Et Tu Brute 16

    What is the difference between Cameron Slater and the ghost backers behind Rawshark? Cameron Slater got caught. Rawshark on the other hand got the hacked information and it became a matter of public interest. If Slater had got the information he was looking for, if it ever existed, it would also have been public interest. Surely the judge saw that when sentencing as well.

    • weka 16.1

      Who are the ghost backers behind Rawshark? I was under the impression they acted from their own intiative.

      How is the identity of pseudonymous bloggers a matter of public interest?

      “Surely the judge saw that when sentencing as well.”

      You just made that up right?

    • One Anonymous Bloke 16.2

      Rawshark has “ghost backers”? Via their zero-rated trust account?

    • Hanswurst 16.3

      If there were something improper about the identities of those running or authoring on The Standard, then it may be of public interest, depending on whether those people were public figures etc.. However, seeing as Mr. Slater doesn’t have that information, or, apparently, any tangible grounds to believe that it exists, there can’t be any assumption of public interest.

    • Macro 16.4

      If Slater had got the information he was looking for, if it ever existed, it would also have been public interest.

      Anyone with half a brain would know that that assumption is flat wrong. So what the idiot was looking for never existed in the first place. Only a rwn could even make that assumption because they think that everyone else behaves as they do.

    • lprent 16.5

      What is the difference between Cameron Slater and the ghost backers behind Rawshark?

      You appear to be a simpleton in your approach towards how you think about computer systems.

      Everything I have seen from the way from what is known about how they got in to how they trashed the site before leaving indicates that they were just amateurs pissed off at an arsehole.

      Anyone who was a professional would have left without a trace after grabbing the data that they wanted, and after setting up a continuing tap into the system.

      Think about it. What would any hypothetical backer have wanted. Continued access over time so that they could glean everything.

      At worst if they wanted to cause the maximum of torture, they would have left the system setting it up so that they could eliminate all backups over time. If they really wanted to get nasty they would have caused the system to have an increasing crescendo of failures before zeroing out the media and the backups media. Or started impersonating Cameron to his ‘friends’. Or even better flogged the intellectual property of the site on a new location in a hard to stop location and turned it into a Winston Peters fan site.

      I should point out that it is a good thing that old very experienced programmers are law abiding.

    • lprent 16.6

      Surely the judge saw that when sentencing as well.

      No judge sentenced. The police offered diversion before it went before a court while making damn sure that neither I, not the trust found out it had been offered.

      It makes it hard to object when the police silence all trace of the crime going to court.

      I have to wonder who would have the influence to get the police to do that? A quiet word from a incoming minister of police perhaps?

      • Anne 16.6.1

        A quiet word from a incoming minister of police perhaps?

        😎

      • Sacha 16.6.2

        Recalling how fast the popo were to order a raid on Hager overseen by their deputy commissioner, it wouldn’t necessarily require Ministerial involvement. The boys just seem to love protecting the establishment, even black/blue sheep like whaleoik.

  16. Scott Poynting 17

    ‘it appears that [name] seems to want to enjoy academic freedom of
    expression but wants to restrict the freedom of expression of a media outlet and journalist’ (sic). — Cameron Slater, 5 December 2015.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 17.1

      Is there a universe where Mr. Slater’s public statements can support their own weight?

  17. Matthew Hooton 18

    I think it is important to remember that Slater did not in fact hack The Standard while Nicky Hager’s criminal friends did in fact hack him.

    [lprent: You pretentious fuckwit. The test in the law about victims is the amount of harm. It cost me more than a week of very hard work.

    Bloody Cameron even with his pathetic skill levels was up after a couple of days after his hack because he was able to pay someone (with his sleazy earned cash – which you appear to have facilitated) competent to do it and because it was obvious what had happened.

    It is a lot harder looking for something that may have happened.

    Banned permanently. ]

    • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 18.1

      Also: no criticism here of whoever hacked Mossac Fonseca.

      [lprent: Banned permanently also. I rather think that I am a bit angry and intolerant today. I really don’t like the idea of having someone trying to pay another to commit a offence on my personal computer.

      And repeated false equivalences piss me off.

      As far as I am concerned that is an order of magnitude more effensive to the public good than simply deciding to whistle blow on your boss which is what appears to be. ]

      • stunnedmullet 18.1.1

        Shouldn’t that be an offence…………..won’t anyone think of the n’s !!!!

        • lprent 18.1.1.1

          Shouldn’t that be an offence.

          As I understand it, it is generally not unless it involves theft or fraud of some kind or required access that you weren’t granted. It is however generally a civil offence.

          For instance in NZ In the Crimes act.

          252 Accessing computer system without authorisation

          (1) Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years who intentionally accesses, directly or indirectly, any computer system without authorisation, knowing that he or she is not authorised to access that computer system, or being reckless as to whether or not he or she is authorised to access that computer system.
          (2) To avoid doubt, subsection (1) does not apply if a person who is authorised to access a computer system accesses that computer system for a purpose other than the one for which that person was given access.

          My bold.

    • Hanswurst 18.2

      It isn’t important to remember that until you can claim a public interest in the information Slater hoped to obtain about The Standard. Until then, there is no equivalence between the two.

    • Sacha 18.3

      ‘Friends’ is a nice try. Did you and whaleoik swap lines about how to spin this?

      • weka 18.3.1

        +1

        And Slater only didn’t hack The Standard because of incompetency. It’s not like he is more virtuous because of that.

        • Sacha 18.3.1.1

          Poor slob has probably spent his whole life commuting duncery into victimhood. A whining alchemist, if you will.

    • Anne 18.4

      No, he hacked into the Labour Party’s computers instead. Don’t give a stuff about ass-legal technicalities about whether it was a hack or not. His intention was to gain entrance to Labour’s membership and supporter files with a view to publishing names and any other material he could twist and spin for political purposes. He would also have been able to bully, intimidate and slander individuals in the name of “Dirty Politics”. Pity his lawyer warned him of the consequences.

      • infused 18.4.1

        yeah, we’ve done this hacked in to labour party website thing to death. next time set an .htaccess file and don’t leave your not so public files on a public web server.

        • Draco T Bastard 18.4.1.1

          And you’re still not accepting that what Slater did was wrong and illegal.

        • Johan 18.4.1.2

          To infused:
          Another go at back tracking and avoiding to take responsibilities, is typical of RWNJ;-)))

        • Tricledrown 18.4.1.3

          Confused.your honor the door was wide open so I just went in and took what I wanted.
          Desperate logic.

    • Wainwright 18.5

      Chop chop Nicky.

      • Gangnam Style 18.5.1

        I think its important to remember that Wainwright, Hooton was quite happy to pass on Hagers personal information to his ‘criminal friends’. Despicable, cowardly & disgraceful.

  18. Rosemary McDonald 19

    I can’t see this posted already…but it really is a gem

    classic Geddis.

    http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/time-which-sees-all-things-has-found-you-out

    “But what really, really, really provides the bright red cherry of irony on top of this delicious confection of egomaniacal delusions of being able to engage in House-of-Cards-style chicanery is the fact that the blogger who used to be semi-famous (Mr Salter, I believe) sought to have his involvement in this escapade suppressed by the Courts. Yes, the same Mr Satler who pursued a wonky jihad in opposition to the very concept of name suppression went in front of the District Court and had the gall, the sheer bare-faced effrontery, to ask that he be given the protection of the very laws he had campaigned so hard to have abolished.”

    …click on the ‘cherry of irony’ link for a Morissette update.

  19. Myrtle 20

    I think that the National party and their team have some pretty smart hangers-on, but in the pond life of NZ politics this man is just a nasty bloated bottom feeder…

    … In my opinion.

  20. Pete 21

    Are you seriously banning anyone who raises a discenting opinion

    [lprent: Nope. If you look carefully at what both of them were doing is that they were using the ‘false equivalence’ technique. That isn’t an argument because neither of them gave ANY argument to support the equivalence. That was outright trolling – specifically astro turfing a PR line.

    Under most circumstances if I’d seen it, and because of their long history here, I’d have just chastised them in a comment or a note or a short ban and they would stop using the technique for a few weeks.

    Today I was irritated by the subject because it is my damn home computer!, have a nasty throat cold, and have gotten impatient with them using that particular technique.

    Basically when people want to skirt the policy, they take their chances with whatever mood the moderators are in. In this case me. If they’d have been lucky another mod would have given them a warning or a ban, and I would have been unlikely to extend it.

    I am surprised with Hooton. While Gormless has hit some long bans over the years, Matthew is usually smarter than getting to the point where I can moderate him. I guess he decided to stake access for his friend and comrade. ]

    • Elegant application of the “silencer”, lprent. I commend you.

    • stunnedmullet 21.2

      it’s OK to ban them as neither Matthew or Gormy are women……………or are they ?

    • John shears 21.3

      I wish we had alligators in NZ so that I could get them to cry for Hoots & Gormy
      and there wouldn’t be any tears. Great to see the back of them.
      Go The Prent

    • Reddelusion 21.4

      Can I start a bring back hoots campaign, hopefully more successful than bring back Buck Agree why you are pissed LPrent but Matthew does add to the site, it will be lesser without him

      • One Anonymous Bloke 21.4.1

        There’ll probably be some sort of general amnesty at some future time. Hooton adds little of value other than the example he provides of yet another right wing Wormtongue.

      • John shears 21.4.2

        Reddelusion,
        Not in my opinion Hooter is a constant negative contributor along with his mates.
        Good riddance to bad rubbish I say.

        • Reddelusion 21.4.2.1

          he argues the negative to the prevailing narrative on this site I agree but that makes the site richer and while I know this is not a prime reason for site but also makes it more entertaining, be verybdry if it was just one big love fest and every one agreeing with each other Saying that I some times think there is more animosity between some of the lefties on this site than the so called RWNJ

    • Et Tu Brute 21.5

      I’m not banned [yet] and I have sympathy for Cameron in this instance. He was under a lot of pressure, had just had his own systems hacked and published for the world to see, and he was trying to fight back and gain some tactical awareness. People make mistakes and I find the law in these cases is more a technicality I don’t have a lot of respect for.

      • One Anonymous Bloke 21.5.1

        Fight back

        Nah, you don't get to run that line: if someone attacks me and I run across the street and punch a third party how is that "fighting back"? He's shown zero awareness of his crime, and I hope the diversion order is overturned. He belongs behind bars.

        • Et Tu Brute 21.5.1.1

          I said he needed to gain “some tactical awareness”. How do you know the person across the street is really a “third party” especially if with the waves breaking over you there is the appearance of a wider conspiracy. I’m not saying The Standard was involved at all. But there is always the ‘fog of war’ in these cases.

          • Doloras 21.5.1.1.1

            “Appearance of a wider conspiracy”? Only in Slater’s paranoid delusions. Are you saying that I should be allowed to break into your garage, if a voice in my head told me that the Illuminati and the Elders of Zion were meeting in there to plan to troll me on Twitter?

          • One Anonymous Bloke 21.5.1.1.2

            The fog of delusion. In what universe is flailing a tactic? In what universe is he charged with administering justice?

            You’re making excuses for a delusional and, assuming he isn’t lying when he describes his mental condition, quite sick man. In doing so, you encourage and enable his self-destructive and often criminal behaviour.

            Classy.

  21. georgecom 22

    Poor old Cameron Slater.

    It’s never his fault.
    Someone else is always to blame.

    How dare some criminal apply for name suppression.
    But, um, it’s ok for him.

    How dare someone hack details from his blog.
    But all fine for him to do so.

    Poor old Cameron.
    Never his fault.

  22. Felix Geiringer @BarristerNZ

    1. Before offering diversion, the Police MUST consult the victim. In this case they did not even tell the victim there had been an arrest.

    2. Reparation is one of the two primary purposes of the scheme. In this case, Slater was not required to do anything by way of reparation.

    3. Diversion is generally only offered to first time offenders but http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10673417

    4. Diversion is only offered for minor offending. In Hager case, Manukau District Manager described offences under this section as serious.

    5. To qualify, Slater had to admit responsibility and show remorse. His media statement claims he has never done so and still does not.

    6. Diversion is “unlikely to be appropriate” where the “offender refuses to identify co-offenders”. Who was Slater’s mysterious “funder”?

    7. Diversion is “unlikely to be appropriate” where offender was the organiser. Eg, the offender was soliciting others to commit crime.

    I’ve run out of steam. There are probably more.

    • Draco T Bastard 23.1

      In other words there was no way that Slater qualified for diversion and so we should be looking for the police corruption that gave it to him.

    • mpledger 23.2

      I have no clue about the law but wouldn’t the Court take this as being incredibly offensive to itself. Courts don’t like being hoodwinked and take extreme offense.

  23. Stupid is as stupid does…

    Bon Voyage,

    Mon Petite Sasquatch Slater…

  24. Pete 25

    So can someone please tell me why hacking by rawshark is OK and by John Doe but Walters ham fisted attempt is worthy of such odium

    • Draco T Bastard 25.1

      Public interest but as you’re obviously a RWNJ trying to divert the thread/post I doubt that you’ll accept that.

      • Pete 25.1.1

        Wow two questions and I’m
        A right wing nut job

        • framu 25.1.1.1

          when you use an all to common argument that has been used time and again, and explained why its wrong time and again, people will make assumptions about your intent

        • Draco T Bastard 25.1.1.2

          When they’re the same two questions that have been asked and answered ever since Dirty Politics came out showing how corrupt National actually are, yes.

    • lprent 25.2

      The point is that Rawshark would be charged and convicted if they were caught and the police had sufficient evidence. As they should be if they intruded as they claim. That is why we have sections 249 and 252 in the Crimes Act.

      John Doe is probably unlikely to face criminal charges, because so far it looks like an inside job (how else do you get a couple of terabytes of data without being obvious). However I suspect that Mossack Fonseca could probably have some pretty good civil claims.

      And for the idiots who go on about “receiving” by Hager, there are way too many defences. For instance the Evidence Act with respect to journalists and public interest. That it was in fact a copy of data rather than the original. After all both of those were used by Slater – so the must be legitimate right?

      Just like his position that name suppression should be granted in only the most onerous circumstances – ones far greater than he was in.

      Hypocrites obviously are always right. After all just look at John key..

      • pete 25.2.1

        fair comment
        if only others here were willing to enter actual debate
        without discenting voices this becomes a fan site and a lot less interesting to read

    • Reddelusion 25.3

      Two wrongs don’t make a right, hopefully they do the lot of them

    • Jack Ramaka 25.4

      Didn’t Slater and National hack the Labour Party website?

  25. Pete 26

    Sorry slaters effing autocorrect

  26. RRM 27

    It’s “public interest” when the left does it pete.

    • Tricledrown 27.1

      Who said it was the left RRM it was a pissed of West Coast friend of the young Driver who died in a car accident.
      Slater a Recidivist hypocrite may have a right to complain about driver behaviour but he can’t help himself his comments were way over the top, he is out of control.
      Maybe the judge went lightly on him because he can:t control himself with his mental health issues.
      Its probably the final warning.

    • Gangnam Style 27.2

      Knowing who I am in real life ain’t public interest, whereas PMs office giving top secret briefings to dumbass right wing blogger is public interest. See the difference?

      • Pete 27.2.1

        But if you were working in the labour leaders office or similar position would that be comparable to the relationships uncovered in dirty politics

        • framu 27.2.1.1

          it would be comparable in the link and the link only

          what was going on in dirty politics was nothing even remotely close to the possibility of a labour staffer commenting on a blog using an online name.

          you sure your not a RWNJ? – your using the exact same set of arguments

          • Pete 27.2.1.1.1

            My politics are rightish but I’m genuinely interested in debate. This country will never get anywhere if the right and left go at each other like rabid dogs. So far here I’m not seeing debate any more useful than at whale oil , people are just calling names

            • One Anonymous Bloke 27.2.1.1.1.1

              Here’s an idea: why don’t you on the right stop telling so many lies, and stop destroying lives, and stop whining about having to obey the law at tax time, and stop paying lip service to personal responsibility, and you won’t earn so much contempt.

              • pete

                im pretty certain i dont do any of those things and i fail to see how this post is helping with the debate
                your contempt for me seems merely based on mystated position on the political spectrum
                i am genuinely unlikeable in real life but you didnt know that so what was the basis for your attack

                • ropata

                  Maybe we need an index to RW bullshit so when someone regurgitates “Slater hacking TS” = “Rawshark hacking WO” we can just refer them to RWBS #123

            • framu 27.2.1.1.1.2

              fair enough pete – i will take that on faith and not call you names

              however – dont be surprised when people get a bit snarky at you when you use the exact same arguments that have been seen over and over again for years now.

              sure you might not be aware of that – but that will be why people are quick to react. It gets boring rebutting the same incorrect points over and over again.

              1) rawshark and john doe exposed high level corruption (or the possibility there of) – the publishing of such info is defended in law.
              Slater didnt – he went on a witch hunt for his or his backers, own ends. Its pretty fair to say based on patterns of behaviour, that he had his and his backers interests as the MO – not the public interest.

              2) Dirty politics was about an entire machine whos sole purpose was to launch covert attacks against anyone who dared say anything against the nats, while keeping the PMs hands clean.
              It wasnt about public attacks via normal media channels where the person making the claim is doing it publicly and it wasnt about MPs giving tips or info to journos as they have done since the year dot.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 27.2.1.2

          It would be up to you to draw the comparison. Good luck comparing apples with dogshit.

    • Draco T Bastard 27.3

      No, it’s public interest when the result shows a crime/immoral behaviour being perpetrated upon the public. That’s what both Rawshark and John Doe have shown – crimes committed against the public.

  27. Ben 28

    So Little has stated that Labour has nothing to do with The Standard. Does he realise that Labour staff have written for The Standard?

    • One Anonymous Bloke 28.1

      Listen to Morning Report: Lprent answers your innocent and completely sincere curiosity.

  28. Joe Jones 29

    I have no sympathy for the political views of the standard, but as an IT professional I am disturbed at the leniency of the sentence. Computer crime is vandalism and malicious damage and there needs to be tougher repercussions.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 29.1

      There won’t be, because Slater is protected by his corrupt association with the National Party. Just remember that when you tick the box next year.

  29. Jack Ramaka 30

    Slater was successful in hacking into the Labour Party website with his National Party colleagues however nothing was actually done about it and no investigations were carried out by the Police, however they were extrememly over zealous when it came to Bradley Ambrose and Nicky Hagar, which goes to show we are living in a Police State?

    • Smilin 30.1

      Thats the appalling level we have sunk to in politics in this country
      When little fw Key is able to use public office as the protector of his interests and not the nation then we have a serious problem .
      It was tried in 1951 and look what happened now all Key has to do is bugger off overseas to his mates Cameron Obama and Turnbull and its all over
      Key should be out on Dirty Politics alone but what a sad little country we have become

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    4 days ago
  • Smoke And Mirrors.
    You're a fraud, and you know itBut it's too good to throw it all awayAnyone would do the sameYou've got 'em goingAnd you're careful not to show itSometimes you even fool yourself a bitIt's like magicBut it's always been a smoke and mirrors gameAnyone would do the sameForty six billion ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    4 days ago
  • What is Mexico doing about climate change?
    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections The June general election in Mexico could mark a turning point in ensuring that the country’s climate policies better reflect the desire of its citizens to address the climate crisis, with both leading presidential candidates expressing support for renewable energy. Mexico is the ...
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  • State of humanity, 2024
    2024, it feels, keeps presenting us with ever more challenges, ever more dismay.Do you give up yet? It seems to ask.No? How about this? Or this?How about this?When I say 2024 I really mean the state of humanity in 2024.Saturday night, we watched Civil War because that is one terrifying cliff we've ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    4 days ago
  • Govt’s Wellington tunnel vision aims to ease the way to the airport (but zealous promoters of cycl...
    Buzz from the Beehive A pet project and governmental tunnel vision jump out from the latest batch of ministerial announcements. The government is keen to assure us of its concern for the wellbeing of our pets. It will be introducing pet bonds in a change to the Residential Tenancies Act ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    4 days ago
  • The case for cultural connectedness
    A recent report generated from a Growing Up in New Zealand (GUiNZ) survey of 1,224 rangatahi Māori aged 11-12 found: Cultural connectedness was associated with fewer depression symptoms, anxiety symptoms and better quality of life. That sounds cut and dry. But further into the report the following appears: Cultural connectedness is ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago
  • Useful context on public sector job cuts
    David Farrar writes –    The Herald reports: From the gory details of job-cuts news, you’d think the public service was being eviscerated.   While the media’s view of the cuts is incomplete, it’s also true that departments have been leaking the particulars faster than a Wellington ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago
  • Gordon Campbell On When Racism Comes Disguised As Anti-racism
    Remember the good old days, back when New Zealand had a PM who could think and speak calmly and intelligently in whole sentences without blustering? Even while Iran’s drones and missiles were still being launched, Helen Clark was live on TVNZ expertly summing up the latest crisis in the Middle ...
    5 days ago
  • Govt ignored economic analysis of smokefree reversal
    Costello did not pass on analysis of the benefits of the smokefree reforms to Cabinet, emphasising instead the extra tax revenues of repealing them. Photo: Hagen Hopkins, Getty Images TL;DR: The six news items that stood out to me at 7:26 am today are:The Lead: Casey Costello never passed on ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago
  • True Blue.
    True loveYou're the one I'm dreaming ofYour heart fits me like a gloveAnd I'm gonna be true blueBaby, I love youI’ve written about the job cuts in our news media last week. The impact on individuals, and the loss to Aotearoa of voices covering our news from different angles.That by ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    5 days ago
  • Who is running New Zealand’s foreign policy?
    While commentators, including former Prime Minister Helen Clark, are noting a subtle shift in New Zealand’s foreign policy, which now places more emphasis on the United States, many have missed a key element of the shift. What National said before the election is not what the government is doing now. ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    5 days ago

  • $41m to support clean energy in South East Asia
    New Zealand is demonstrating its commitment to reducing global greenhouse emissions, and supporting clean energy transition in South East Asia, through a contribution of NZ$41 million (US$25 million) in climate finance to the Asian Development Bank (ADB)-led Energy Transition Mechanism (ETM). Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Climate Change Minister Simon Watts announced ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 hours ago
  • Minister releases Fast-track stakeholder list
    The Government is today releasing a list of organisations who received letters about the Fast-track applications process, says RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop. “Recently Ministers and agencies have received a series of OIA requests for a list of organisations to whom I wrote with information on applying to have a ...
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    9 hours ago
  • Judicial appointments announced
    Attorney-General Judith Collins today announced the appointment of Wellington Barrister David Jonathan Boldt as a Judge of the High Court, and the Honourable Justice Matthew Palmer as a Judge of the Court of Appeal. Justice Boldt graduated with an LLB from Victoria University of Wellington in 1990, and also holds ...
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    10 hours ago
  • Education Minister heads to major teaching summit in Singapore
    Education Minister Erica Stanford will lead the New Zealand delegation at the 2024 International Summit on the Teaching Profession (ISTP) held in Singapore. The delegation includes representatives from the Post Primary Teachers’ Association (PPTA) Te Wehengarua and the New Zealand Educational Institute (NZEI) Te Riu Roa.  The summit is co-hosted ...
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    11 hours ago
  • Value of stopbank project proven during cyclone
    A stopbank upgrade project in Tairawhiti partly funded by the Government has increased flood resilience for around 7000ha of residential and horticultural land so far, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones today attended a dawn service in Gisborne to mark the end of the first stage of the ...
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    11 hours ago
  • Anzac commemorations, Türkiye relationship focus of visit
    Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters will represent the Government at Anzac Day commemorations on the Gallipoli Peninsula next week and engage with senior representatives of the Turkish government in Istanbul.    “The Gallipoli campaign is a defining event in our history. It will be a privilege to share the occasion ...
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    11 hours ago
  • Minister to Europe for OECD meeting, Anzac Day
    Science, Innovation and Technology and Defence Minister Judith Collins will next week attend the OECD Science and Technology Ministerial conference in Paris and Anzac Day commemorations in Belgium. “Science, innovation and technology have a major role to play in rebuilding our economy and achieving better health, environmental and social outcomes ...
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    14 hours ago
  • Comprehensive Partnership the goal for NZ and the Philippines
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with the President of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos Jr.  The Prime Minister was accompanied by MP Paulo Garcia, the first Filipino to be elected to a legislature outside the Philippines. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon and President Marcos Jr discussed opportunities to ...
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    1 day ago
  • Government commits $20m to Westport flood protection
    The Government has announced that $20 million in funding will be made available to Westport to fund much needed flood protection around the town. This measure will significantly improve the resilience of the community, says Local Government Minister Simeon Brown. “The Westport community has already been allocated almost $3 million ...
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    1 day ago
  • Taupō takes pole position
    The Government is proud to support the first ever Repco Supercars Championship event in Taupō as up to 70,000 motorsport fans attend the Taupō International Motorsport Park this weekend, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. “Anticipation for the ITM Taupō Super400 is huge, with tickets and accommodation selling out weeks ...
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    1 day ago
  • Cost of living support for low-income homeowners
    Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced an increase to the Rates Rebate Scheme, putting money back into the pockets of low-income homeowners.  “The coalition Government is committed to bringing down the cost of living for New Zealanders. That includes targeted support for those Kiwis who are doing things tough, such ...
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    1 day ago
  • Government backing mussel spat project
    The Coalition Government is investing in a project to boost survival rates of New Zealand mussels and grow the industry, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones has announced. “This project seeks to increase the resilience of our mussels and significantly boost the sector’s productivity,” Mr Jones says. “The project - ...
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    1 day ago
  • Government focused on getting people into work
    Benefit figures released today underscore the importance of the Government’s plan to rebuild the economy and have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker Support, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “Benefit numbers are still significantly higher than when National was last in government, when there was about 70,000 fewer ...
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    2 days ago
  • Clean energy key driver to reducing emissions
    The Government’s commitment to doubling New Zealand’s renewable energy capacity is backed by new data showing that clean energy has helped the country reach its lowest annual gross emissions since 1999, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. New Zealand’s latest Greenhouse Gas Inventory (1990-2022) published today, shows gross emissions fell ...
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    2 days ago
  • Earthquake-prone buildings review brought forward
    The Government is bringing the earthquake-prone building review forward, with work to start immediately, and extending the deadline for remediations by four years, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “Our Government is focused on rebuilding the economy. A key part of our plan is to cut red tape that ...
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    2 days ago
  • Thailand and NZ to agree to Strategic Partnership
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and his Thai counterpart, Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, have today agreed that New Zealand and the Kingdom of Thailand will upgrade the bilateral relationship to a Strategic Partnership by 2026. “New Zealand and Thailand have a lot to offer each other. We have a strong mutual desire to build ...
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    2 days ago
  • Government consults on extending coastal permits for ports
    RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop and Transport Minister Simeon Brown have today announced the Coalition Government’s intention to extend port coastal permits for a further 20 years, providing port operators with certainty to continue their operations. “The introduction of the Resource Management Act in 1991 required ports to obtain coastal ...
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    2 days ago
  • Inflation coming down, but more work to do
    Today’s announcement that inflation is down to 4 per cent is encouraging news for Kiwis, but there is more work to be done - underlining the importance of the Government’s plan to get the economy back on track, acting Finance Minister Chris Bishop says. “Inflation is now at 4 per ...
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    2 days ago
  • School attendance restored as a priority in health advice
    Refreshed health guidance released today will help parents and schools make informed decisions about whether their child needs to be in school, addressing one of the key issues affecting school attendance, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. In recent years, consistently across all school terms, short-term illness or medical reasons ...
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    3 days ago
  • Unnecessary bureaucracy cut in oceans sector
    Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is streamlining high-level oceans management while maintaining a focus on supporting the sector’s role in the export-led recovery of the economy. “I am working to realise the untapped potential of our fishing and aquaculture sector. To achieve that we need to be smarter with ...
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    3 days ago
  • Patterson promoting NZ’s wool sector at International Congress
    Associate Agriculture Minister Mark Patterson is speaking at the International Wool Textile Organisation Congress in Adelaide, promoting New Zealand wool, and outlining the coalition Government’s support for the revitalisation the sector.    "New Zealand’s wool exports reached $400 million in the year to 30 June 2023, and the coalition Government ...
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    3 days ago
  • Removing red tape to help early learners thrive
    The Government is making legislative changes to make it easier for new early learning services to be established, and for existing services to operate, Associate Education Minister David Seymour says. The changes involve repealing the network approval provisions that apply when someone wants to establish a new early learning service, ...
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    4 days ago
  • RMA changes to cut coal mining consent red tape
    Changes to the Resource Management Act will align consenting for coal mining to other forms of mining to reduce barriers that are holding back economic development, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. “The inconsistent treatment of coal mining compared with other extractive activities is burdensome red tape that fails to acknowledge ...
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    4 days ago
  • McClay reaffirms strong NZ-China trade relationship
    Trade, Agriculture and Forestry Minister Todd McClay has concluded productive discussions with ministerial counterparts in Beijing today, in support of the New Zealand-China trade and economic relationship. “My meeting with Commerce Minister Wang Wentao reaffirmed the complementary nature of the bilateral trade relationship, with our Free Trade Agreement at its ...
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    4 days ago
  • Prime Minister Luxon acknowledges legacy of Singapore Prime Minister Lee
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon today paid tribute to Singapore’s outgoing Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong.   Meeting in Singapore today immediately before Prime Minister Lee announced he was stepping down, Prime Minister Luxon warmly acknowledged his counterpart’s almost twenty years as leader, and the enduring legacy he has left for Singapore and South East ...
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    4 days ago
  • PMs Luxon and Lee deepen Singapore-NZ ties
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong. While in Singapore as part of his visit to South East Asia this week, Prime Minister Luxon also met with Singapore President Tharman Shanmugaratnam and will meet with Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong.  During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon ...
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    4 days ago
  • Antarctica New Zealand Board appointments
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters has made further appointments to the Board of Antarctica New Zealand as part of a continued effort to ensure the Scott Base Redevelopment project is delivered in a cost-effective and efficient manner.  The Minister has appointed Neville Harris as a new member of the Board. Mr ...
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    4 days ago
  • Finance Minister travels to Washington DC
    Finance Minister Nicola Willis will travel to the United States on Tuesday to attend a meeting of the Five Finance Ministers group, with counterparts from Australia, the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom.  “I am looking forward to meeting with our Five Finance partners on how we can work ...
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    4 days ago
  • Pet bonds a win/win for renters and landlords
    The coalition Government has today announced purrfect and pawsitive changes to the Residential Tenancies Act to give tenants with pets greater choice when looking for a rental property, says Housing Minister Chris Bishop. “Pets are important members of many Kiwi families. It’s estimated that around 64 per cent of New ...
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    4 days ago
  • Long Tunnel for SH1 Wellington being considered
    State Highway 1 (SH1) through Wellington City is heavily congested at peak times and while planning continues on the duplicate Mt Victoria Tunnel and Basin Reserve project, the Government has also asked NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) to consider and provide advice on a Long Tunnel option, Transport Minister Simeon Brown ...
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    5 days ago
  • New Zealand condemns Iranian strikes
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Foreign Minister Winston Peters have condemned Iran’s shocking and illegal strikes against Israel.    “These attacks are a major challenge to peace and stability in a region already under enormous pressure," Mr Luxon says.    "We are deeply concerned that miscalculation on any side could ...
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    5 days ago
  • Huge interest in Government’s infrastructure plans
    Hundreds of people in little over a week have turned out in Northland to hear Regional Development Minister Shane Jones speak about plans for boosting the regional economy through infrastructure. About 200 people from the infrastructure and associated sectors attended an event headlined by Mr Jones in Whangarei today. Last ...
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    1 week ago
  • Health Minister thanks outgoing Health New Zealand Chair
    Health Minister Dr Shane Reti has today thanked outgoing Health New Zealand – Te Whatu Ora Chair Dame Karen Poutasi for her service on the Board.   “Dame Karen tendered her resignation as Chair and as a member of the Board today,” says Dr Reti.  “I have asked her to ...
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    1 week ago
  • Roads of National Significance planning underway
    The NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) has signalled their proposed delivery approach for the Government’s 15 Roads of National Significance (RoNS), with the release of the State Highway Investment Proposal (SHIP) today, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says.  “Boosting economic growth and productivity is a key part of the Government’s plan to ...
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    1 week ago
  • Navigating an unstable global environment
    New Zealand is renewing its connections with a world facing urgent challenges by pursuing an active, energetic foreign policy, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says.   “Our country faces the most unstable global environment in decades,” Mr Peters says at the conclusion of two weeks of engagements in Egypt, Europe and the United States.    “We cannot afford to sit back in splendid ...
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    1 week ago
  • NZ welcomes Australian Governor-General
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has announced the Australian Governor-General, His Excellency General The Honourable David Hurley and his wife Her Excellency Mrs Linda Hurley, will make a State visit to New Zealand from Tuesday 16 April to Thursday 18 April. The visit reciprocates the State visit of former Governor-General Dame Patsy Reddy ...
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    1 week ago
  • Pseudoephedrine back on shelves for Winter
    Associate Health Minister David Seymour has announced that Medsafe has approved 11 cold and flu medicines containing pseudoephedrine. Pharmaceutical suppliers have indicated they may be able to supply the first products in June. “This is much earlier than the original expectation of medicines being available by 2025. The Government recognised ...
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    1 week ago
  • NZ and the US: an ever closer partnership
    New Zealand and the United States have recommitted to their strategic partnership in Washington DC today, pledging to work ever more closely together in support of shared values and interests, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says.    “The strategic environment that New Zealand and the United States face is considerably more ...
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    1 week ago
  • Joint US and NZ declaration
    April 11, 2024 Joint Declaration by United States Secretary of State the Honorable Antony J. Blinken and New Zealand Minister of Foreign Affairs the Right Honourable Winston Peters We met today in Washington, D.C. to recommit to the historic partnership between our two countries and the principles that underpin it—rule ...
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    1 week ago
  • NZ and US to undertake further practical Pacific cooperation
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced further New Zealand cooperation with the United States in the Pacific Islands region through $16.4 million in funding for initiatives in digital connectivity and oceans and fisheries research.   “New Zealand can achieve more in the Pacific if we work together more urgently and ...
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    1 week ago

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