The Sky City ghost jobs

Written By: - Date published: 9:39 am, June 8th, 2016 - 63 comments
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ghost jobs

Remember all those jobs the construction of the Sky City Convention Centre was going to create? And how we were going to increase the incidence of human misery and sacrifice the country’s legislative independence just so we could have a convention centre? And the process that was described as banana republic stuff without the bananas?

Well it appears that the construction will create some jobs but many will be in Thailand, not New Zealand.

From Radio New Zealand:

Half of the work on the steel frames for the SkyCity Convention Centre in Auckland has gone to a foreign contractor, despite New Zealand factories having prepared for it.

Steven Joyce unveiling the new SkyCity convention centre design.

With 8500 tonnes of steel frames needed for the SkyCity convention centre, the making and fitting contract has gone to one New Zealand company and a United States-owned company in Thailand.

The loss equates to about 100 full-time skilled welding jobs for 12 to 18 months – and the same thing has happened in two other projects of similar scale.

The government touted job creation as a big plus when it sealed the controversial deal for SkyCity to build the centre in return for large extra gambling concessions.

The government said last night this was the way the free market worked.

Get that?  Selling legislative concessions to a private corporation so that it can increase despair and hardship in our community on the basis that jobs will be created but then having those jobs created in a third world country because their workers are paid less is truly the way the free market works.

The article makes some comment on the promised jobs.

When Prime Minister and Tourism Minister John Key and Economic Development Minister Steven Joyce turned the first sod on the ICC’s construction in February, Mr Joyce said “this important national facility will now bring 1000 new jobs during the construction phase”.

Last night, the Minister, who was travelling in Asia, said in a statement that “any decisions around which building materials are used … will not affect the number of people being employed” to build it.

It was unclear how that could be.

Unclear?  It is perfectly clear the same number of people will be employed in the construction phase.  But they will not all be New Zealand workers.

It appears that the Government must have had a say in this development.  Clause 11.2 of the Convention Centre agreement says this:

SKYCITY must consult with the Crown, and provide the Crown with reasonable opportunity to comment, on which contractors it will request to tender for the Building Works Contract and the basis and contract terms on which tenders will be sought, including, without limitation, participation by the Crown in a procurement workshop with SKYCITY, and appointment of a Crown representative on a panel to be established by SKYCITY to review and advise on buildability.

I read this clause as applying to all tenders, not just the Building Works Contract tender.

So the Government must have had a say in the terms of the tenders.  Why it did not insist that local suppliers should be preferred is not clear.  For an agreement touted as providing economic benefit because of the construction the failure to ensure the contracts were awarded to local suppliers to maximise the economic benefits is extraordinarily negligent.

Update:  Sky City spokesperson Colin Espiner has helpfully pointed out in comments that under clause 5.1(b) of the supplementary agreement clause 11.2 of the agreement has been deleted and there is no requirement for Sky City to consult with the Crown.  This was an interesting change to make and obviously Sky City must have thought that there was a financial benefit in not being required to consult with the Crown about the tender process.

63 comments on “The Sky City ghost jobs”

  1. save nz 1

    Disgusting!! The whole deal was criminal – giving more gambling and corporate welfare to National’s favourite money laundering facility.

  2. save nz 2

    British Industry is also facing similar problems. A good article by Bryan Gould.

    “The steel crisis shows Britain has given up on industry. But it doesn’t have to

    extract…

    The consequence of the decline of manufacturing is that we have run a perennial trade deficit in every year since 1982. We have, in other words, traded at a loss and failed to pay our way in every one of the past 34 years. That deficit – the country’s and not the government’s – is of course the one that really matters; yet it is now so much part of the familiar economic landscape that it scarcely warrants a raised eyebrow.

    How do we get away with pathetic rates of investment (a net rate of nil) and productivity growth (almost zero), and with running at a loss year after year? We don’t. We have to borrow from overseas and sell off our assets to foreigners to close the gap. We have sold more than £600bn of assets over recent years. This is a rake’s progress that cannot be sustained for much longer.

    On the few occasions that the matter is raised, we are given reassuring answers. We can’t compete in manufacturing against low-cost, low-wage competitors, we are told – so how come the Germans can, and that some of those “low-cost” economies now enjoy higher living standards than our own?”

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/04/britain-manufacturing-decline-tata-steel

  3. Richardrawshark 3

    Another second another lie exposed.

    How can we now move forward when you politicians never keep your words or even your promises at election time.

  4. Colin Espiner 4

    Hi Micky, I thought I’d get in early on this one before your commenters started picking up the ball and running in the wrong direction with your “ghost jobs” illusion.

    I’m afraid RNZ has rather over-egged this one. They didn’t ask us for comment, so we didn’t know what they were going to claim until this morning. So here are some facts for you:

    1 All the jobs originally promised – the 1000 construction-related jobs, plus another roughly 1000 additional downstream jobs created by the project, will still be created.

    2 These will all be New Zealand based jobs, not overseas-based jobs.

    2 The contract for steel for the NZICC is one of literally hundreds of contracts on this massive project. It was won by a joint venture between a New Zealand company and an American one.

    3 The New Zealand company that won the contract, Culham Engineering, is a small Whangarei company. They say they plan to hire at least 50 more people as part of this contract. That’s new jobs, in Northland. That’s great news for the region.

    4 The company that didn’t win the tender – which was an open, contested tender – is upset it didn’t win. That’s fair enough. There’s always a winner and a loser in a bidding process. It claims it “may” downsize by 100 people if it can’t pick up other work elsewhere. May.

    5 So, you’ve got one Kiwi company hiring 50 people, and another threatening to downsize 100. Total potential loss of 50 jobs. In a project employing 2000 people.

    6 Repeating, for emphasis: All the NZ jobs promised on the project will still be delivered.

    Can I just ask – and I know you’re no fan of SKYCITY and I understand respect that – that you bring a modicum of sensibility and rationality to this argument. You’re talking about potentially 50 fewer jobs out of a total of 2000.

    It would be nice, for once, to get some credit for investing $470m in a project employing 2000 people rather than being criticised because one New Zealand firm has missed out on a sub contract in favour of another.

    Regards

    Colin Espiner
    General Manager, Communications
    SKYCITY Entertainment Group

    • mickysavage 4.1

      Thanks for dropping by Colin.

      The issue of local suppliers being overlooked in preference to overseas suppliers is a live issue that needs to be explored, especially with a contract as contentious as this. And you will agree that it would be better for the New Zealand economy if these jobs were given to locals?

      RNZ made the estimate about the 100 jobs. Are you saying the job loss is less?

      The job numbers seem to move all round the place. For instance there is this article (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10810802) where John Key says that the jobs created would be 900 construction and 800 in the convention centre itself. The Howarth report mentioned in the article which thought that the convention centre jobs would be less than 500. The article predates the reduction in size and scope that the Convention Centre went through. Can you point me to the source of your figures?

      Finally what say did the Crown have in the awarding of the contract?

      • Sabine 4.1.1

        can you save this discussion for later when all that PR spin has been shown to be precisely that, PR spin.

        🙂

        ohmygosh, pass the popcorn.

      • Colin Espiner 4.1.2

        Any time Micky 🙂 The Standard is always required reading.

        In answer to your questions, the 100 job estimate was provided to RNZ by the failed tenderer, who claimed he may have to lay off that many unless he could find other contracts. He went on to note he had lost a few other contracts recently (not NZICC related ones).

        My point was Culham Engineering in Northland has said today it will hire an additional 50 people to cope with the work that is coming its way; it says this is a conservative estimate and the true figure could be more. So therefore worst case net loss (assuming the other party made good on its threat to lay off 100 staff) is 50 fewer jobs.

        I agree the job numbers created by the project are always going to be an estimate. But Fletchers has again issued an assurance today that it still believes 1000 new jobs will be created through this project. I can’t speak for where the PM has got his figures.

        The Howarth report is out of date. SKYCITY’s own figures, which it stands by, is that 1140 new positions will be created once the NZICC is open for business. That is separate from the number of construction jobs, supplied by Fletchers.

        To your final point; the Crown had no say. As you’ll remember, the Building Works contract was amended when SKCITY agreed to pay more to build the centre ($470m, up from $430m originally) in return for SKYCITY being allowed to run its own procurement process.

        The proviso to this is that SKCITY must deliver a building that meets all the design parameters and specifications laid out in the agreement with the Crown.

        Fletchers appointed the Whangarei-based Culham Engineering to lead the JV project to provide the steel for the NZICC. It’s their decision; SKYCITY has placed its faith in the great Kiwi company to build this centre and they make their own subcontracting decisions.

        Hope that helps

        Regards

        Colin

        • TC 4.1.2.1

          So they knock $40m off the taxpayer subsidy to get full control over procurement with fletchers. My how convenient but then I guess chch was a learning experience.

      • Clare 4.1.3

        great questions micky

    • dukeofurl 4.2

      1000 downstream jobs created by the project ?

      You already have a convention centre thats been operating for more than 10 years ( for which you got more pokies) so those people will be transferred to to new centre.
      http://www.skycityauckland.co.nz/functions/conventions/

      “This includes a multitude of bars, restaurants, a convention centre with two levels and 21 function rooms, and a 700 seat theatre.”

      You dont even stick to the rules that you claim others should not ‘over egg results’

      • Colin Espiner 4.2.1

        Dukeofearl, no, not true. SKYCITY plans to keep the existing centre open. These are new jobs, not duplicates.

        Cheers

        Colin

        • dukeofurl 4.2.1.1

          Thats not in the written agreement is it ?

          You have already changed the original agreement to make it friendlier.

          “A new procurement and construction process which is run entirely by SkyCity where SkyCity takes the risks for all costs from now on. The Crown’s ability to insist on changes during the construction process and its ability to put cash into the construction have been removed.
          The Crown requires SkyCity to follow procurement processes that are consistent with best commercial practice and industry standards. Previously the Crown had approval rights over the procurement process.”

          Plus there is additional carparks, retail and hotel space which is part of the centre but not part of the NZICC. Why would that be.

          Thats because they will offload operating costs onto the public purse that are soley part of the NZICC.
          The usual blackmail rules will apply, we will shut the convention centre unless get more money, as the place turns not to be the money spinner hoped for ( usually the case)

    • infused 4.3

      “It would be nice, for once, to get some credit for investing $470m in a project employing 2000 people rather than being criticised because one New Zealand firm has missed out on a sub contract in favour of another.”

      Mate. You ask too much.

      • save nz 4.3.1

        Be good if the companies didn’t get NZ tax payer welfare to build it, then they can do whatever they like. If they take Kiwis hard earned taxes then they need to justify it.

        And I feel that for $470 million you could get more than 2000 jobs out of it, under a change of government.

        • Colin Espiner 4.3.1.1

          SaveNZ, not one cent of taxpayers’ money is being spent on the NZICC.

          • RedBaronCV 4.3.1.1.1

            Hi Colin
            Can you explain please why Sky City is using competitive tendering and outsourcing jobs off shore using a market model when there have been some doubts as to how level the playing field was when Sky City actually tendered(?) for the Convention Centre?
            Isn’t it possible to skew the field more than once and what conditions allow for field skewing?

            • Colin Espiner 4.3.1.1.1.1

              Hi RedBaron, SKYCITY is not doing anything of the sort. The only tender let by SKYCITY was to Fletcher Construction. It’s Fletchers that make all the decisions on subcontracting, so you’d have to ask them.

              I do take issue with your claims about jobs being outsourced offshore. As I think has now been made abundantly clear, yesterday’s story was a political beat-up featuring a disgruntled contractor who made some wild claims that were sadly accepted at face value by some media outlets.

              The owner of the Northland business who won the joint venture bid has now detailed how he partnered with a US firm because no New Zealand company was capable of producing either the quantity or the quality of the steel required for the NZICC on its own. This salient fact was sadly ignored by Radio New Zealand in its initial reporting.

              For the record, Culham Engineering is spending millions of dollars on new plant to gear up for the contract – money going straight into Northland pockets. They also believe very few jobs will actually go offshore, if any, as the US party is keen for the vast bulk of the work to be done in Northland.

              But that doesn’t fit the narrative, so doubtless will be ignored by those who constantly seek to portray the NZICC as a bad deal for the country.

              Cheers

              Colin

              • RedBaronCV

                Hi Colin
                It’s taken a while to get back to you – sorry – and thank you for your answer. However, you seem to have missed my point completely.

                At the time Sky City was awarded the contract to build the convention center there were some doubts that all tenderer’s had access to the same level of information and had the same opportunity to negotiate.
                So much so that the Audit office investigated.

                So my question was – How come Sky City (thr’ Fletchers) is using competitive tendering and outsourcing jobs off shore using a so called market model ( not a wider benefits to NZ model!) and defending this process when it is far from clear that a competitive tender and level playing field existed when Sky City gained the right to build the center.

                In short was there one set of rules for Sky City when it bid, which advantaged Sky City over others and Sky City supported that. .. But SC now uses another set of rules that disadvantages the people of NZ the same people whoare after all are paying the bills.

        • Enough is Enough 4.3.1.2

          Save NZ

          Can you provide me with a source for your assertion that the New Zealand tax payer is paying for this?

      • mickysavage 4.3.2

        You mean Sky City is constructing the convention centre out of the goodness of its heart and the extra pokie machines and the extension of its licence to 2048 had no effect on its decision?

        • dukeofurl 4.3.2.1

          What about the sweetheart deal for the TVNZ building , that they were a very reluctant seller.

          “Taxpayers are contributing to SkyCity Convention centre with TVNZ allowed to deliver a smaller dividend to make up for disruption caused by sale of its land to Sky City.”

          “Documents from the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment show officials advised that after SkyCity decided it would build a hotel on ex-TVNZ land, rather than the agreed Convention Centre, the land became more valuable.
          The Government was advised it should be seeking more money for the land – advice the Government ignored.”

          Another dodgy side deal to the main dodgy deal.

          Interesting that the disclaimer is ‘taxpayers’ money wont be used when it should say ‘no public money’ as the ratepayers will have to cough up for running costs, as well as them stealing business away from Auckland Councils own convention centre

          • Colin Espiner 4.3.2.1.1

            Dukeofurl, do you mean the $15 million SKYCITY paid TVNZ for the land which they are now using to completely refurbish their studios? TVNZ’s board approved the sale, and is on record as saying they were extremely happy with the price received.

            Cheers

            Colin

    • save nz 4.4

      +1 Colin for joining in the discussion. Have you any comment on, proceeds of crime being laundered through Sky City should be given back and what is Sky City is doing to stop money laundering?

      Govt enabling money laundering in SkyCity

      http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1312/S00176/govt-enabling-money-laundering-in-skycity.htm

      Also I notice you say These will all be New Zealand based jobs, not overseas-based jobs. Are these going to be New Zealand based jobs for Kiwis or are we just adding to our immigration and housing woes, by flying in cheap labour at the expense of the NZ tax payer for these companies who will be based in NZ or migrants getting NZ citizenship at the end of it?

      Also how do you check that the construction companies are using Kiwi labour and not cheap offshore labour?

      Where are all these labourers going to live? We now have 2700 state houses sold?

      Do you not think it is adding to our housing crisis?

      • TheSocialDemocrat 4.4.1

        Save NZ, the Kiwi company is using domestic and well-paid labour.

      • Colin Espiner 4.4.2

        Hi Save NZ,

        I have no comment on your unrelated issue of money laundering, except to point out that SKYCITY complies and exceeds all regulatory requirements in this area, and to note that no-one has ever been charged or prosecuted for money laundering at SKYCITY.

        These will be NZ based jobs. I can’t workforce plan any more than you can – who gets them and whether any are foreign workers is up to the Immigration Service, but I understand they operate a NZ citizens-first policy.

        I can’t comment on the housing crisis!

        Cheers

        Colin

        • Lanthanide 4.4.2.1

          Thanks for answering these questions Colin, I was sure you were going to stay silent and not reply.

          • dukeofurl 4.4.2.1.1

            Answering ?
            ‘A wealthy businessman caught up in a money-laundering investigation gambled nearly $300 million in the VIP lounge of SkyCity casino.
            And in one astonishing losing streak, he squandered almost $5 million in just 82 minutes.
            The “volume of play” – or the combined total of money gambled and won – by William Yan was $563 million between 2001 and 2013, despite the businessman being twice banned for two-year stints in that time.

            “The staggering figures are found in court documents filed by police, who as part of a money-laundering inquiry have seized millions of dollars of assets they believe belong to Mr Yan.”

            hes a colossal gambler at SKyCity, millions seized due to suspicions of laundering but Skycity says not us !! banned by SKycity but still plays the tables!

            And hes only one of ‘persons of interest’
            “The Department of Internal Affairs has described Mr Yan as “one of a number of gamblers of significance whom the department has discussed in its interaction with SkyCity”.

            • dukeofurl 4.4.2.1.1.1

              Very large sums were defintely ‘washed’ through Skycity Accounts

              “Mr Yan’s wife, Vienna You, received $2.3 million in a bank account from a foreign exchange dealer, which she withdrew in two bank cheques of $1.8 million and $500,000.
              Those cheques were deposited in SkyCity accounts, but 30 minutes later she withdrew $300,000 and Mr Yan then “cashed out” $200,000 worth of chips. The cash was given to the real estate agent inside the casino.”

              30 mins !

            • Kevin 4.4.2.1.1.2

              Good job he wasn’t winning at that rate or he would have been out on his ear.

            • Lanthanide 4.4.2.1.1.3

              duke, I didn’t say I was happy or satisfied with the answers provided.

            • RedBaronCV 4.4.2.1.1.4

              That amount should fund Ngatai Poaka for a few years

            • Colin Espiner 4.4.2.1.1.5

              Dukeofurl, I image you’d be familiar with the rights of citizens to be presumed innocent until proven guilty? You’re entitled to suppose whatever you like about the businessman you refer to, but I am just dealing in the facts here – neither he nor anyone else has ever, to the best of my knowledge, been found to have engaged in money laundering at SKYCITY.

    • b waghorn 4.5

      Will sky city commit to nz residents getting jobs ahead of those on “student visas”

    • North 4.6

      And who the fuck pays your mortgage Colin, ye the employee of the calculated and unrepentant generator of human misery to the additional extent of not less than $470 million ? You gave the figure yourself Colin. Unless you’re saying there’s some philanthropy going on here. If so do tell !

      Anyway, why should anyone listen to a paid mouth/gun ? I guess I’m saying “Fuck Off!” to an effective ‘corruption by mouthpiece’……..congratulations on doing that at least as well as the portentous ‘Billy Boy’ Ralston, and the ‘Slight Man’ Hosking…….

      • Colin Espiner 4.6.1

        Hi North, I’m sorry, I mistook the Standard for a place of eloquent if impassioned debate that welcomed the views of all sides … my apologies if I got that wrong. Actually, apart from yourself, everyone else has managed to keep the debate from descending into either the obscene or the personal.

        I’m not sure whether there’s a question in your comment, but to address your remarks: Yes, I’m paid by SKYCITY – I’m one of the 6000 Kiwis proud to say I work for the company. I imagine you have a job (?) who pays your mortgage? I’m completely upfront about my affiliations and unlike you, I don’t hide behind a pseudonym.

        Why should anyone listen to me? Well, I guess it depends on whether or not they’re interested in the other side of the story or not. If you’d like to bang on in your little bubble, be my guest, but there are always, as 25 years in journalism taught me, two sides to every story.

        Regards

        Colin

        • lprent 4.6.1.1

          …I mistook the Standard for a place of eloquent if impassioned debate that welcomed the views of all sides … my apologies if I got that wrong.

          🙂 It is. But we’d really be letting whole concept of social media down if we didn’t have at least one crass outburst for people to observe…

          Actually, apart from yourself, everyone else has managed to keep the debate from descending into either the obscene or the personal.

          Partially that is everyone getting better at it. And partially because while we’d tolerate some outbursts of what some people REALLY think, we’re not that interested in tolerating too much without some interesting points to go with it. Besides, comments like your response do tend to make it more enjoyable for others to read..

  5. TC 5

    Colour me surprised, just another chapter in this con job of a govt.

    Time gluon’s brother earned his keep as the pr spin will be locked and loaded. How much taxpayer property was acquired again for this eyesore ?

  6. adam 6

    Was this not predicted here on the Standard?

    I think by you too MickeySavage.

    Ideology at its rigid best, from a national government that has lost the plot.

    • TC 6.1

      Its not lost the plot, chickens meet roost and on cue the spin gets rolled out. This is where henry and hosings earn their troughs.

      Works as designed, what the sheeple were sold on was brochure ware, this is the reality of nacts blighted future.

  7. srylands 7

    ” Why it did not insist that local suppliers should be preferred is not clear. ”

    Yes it is clear:

    https://www.mfat.govt.nz/en/trade/free-trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements-in-force/thailand/

    Also the Government’s own procurement rules prohibit discrimination against foreign suppliers:

    “Non-discrimination

    1.All suppliers must be given an equal opportunity to bid for contracts. Agencies must treat suppliers from another country no less favourably than New Zealand suppliers.”

    http://www.business.govt.nz/procurement/for-agencies/key-guidance-for-agencies/the-new-government-rules-of-sourcing/1-getting-started#rule3

    So are you suggesting that the Government should demand that Skycity discriminates against Thai suppliers when government agencies cannot?

    • mickysavage 7.1

      Are you saying that Sky City is a Government agency? A few of us suspected this to be the case but …

      • shorts 7.1.1

        I think the point is the govt should have procurement policies that put NZ owned businesses first and should where possible encourage private enterprise to do likewise

        I know this goes against the modern trend of neoliberalism and globalisation… I’m comfortable with that

        • dukeofurl 7.1.1.1

          The Thai agreement is ambivalent about preferential local suppliers

          “The Parties shall work progressively to reduce and eliminate barriers to
          the supply of goods and services between the Parties arising from government
          procurement laws, regulations, policies, practices and procedures, and to
          increase transparency in government procurement”

          Its just a bit of blah blah… as there are no measures, no expectations,and no timetable for future changes
          /www.mfat.govt.nz/assets/_securedfiles/FTAs-agreements-in-force/Thailand-FTA/thainzcep-agreement.pdf

  8. save nz 8

    If you want to research what a scam these convention centers are – here is a good article.

    https://dimpost.wordpress.com/2015/02/11/win-by-not-playing/

  9. Keith 9

    “The government said last night this was the way the free market worked.”, translated, The government doesnt give a fuck about employing Kiwis.

  10. JonL 10

    “…..a National government that’s lost the plot”..
    Not so – the National government is fully on plot….enriching themselves and their sponsors at the expense of the country as a whole, and by tossing a few baubles to self important minnows on the way, they get away with it year after year……after year………….

  11. NZJester 11

    Are we surprised?
    Even our National rugby team long ago shipped jobs out of New Zealand by dumping a NZ clothing company for an over seas company that then proceeded to charge Kiwis more to buy the same gear offered cheaper out side of NZ.

  12. esoteric pineapples 12

    I wonder if this steel is going to be as shoddy as all the steel being used for all the other construction in New Zealand. This is something that is going to one day break big in New Zealand. The moment one building suffers from low quality steel, , every other structure using it will be condemned because no-one will know if it was using faulty steel or not. Bridges, skyscrapers etc etc will either have to be pulled down or need additional reinforcing.

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/299688/uncovered-more-faults-in-steel-testing

    • Colin Espiner 12.1

      Esoteric Pineapples, the steel will be of the highest quality and manufactured to exacting specifications. In fact, one of the whole reasons a JV with US company Herricks is so valuable in this case is that Herricks has specialised knowledge about high rise towers, convention centres, and other large scale commercial buildings.

      Culhams, the Kiwi-based part of the JV, plans to send some young Kiwi apprentices to the US to learn and train with Herrick. The result will be one of the most technologically advanced fabrication plants in the country, right here in Northland.

      Cheers

      Colin

      • TC 12.1.1

        Citation and evidence of such a venture please.

        • dukeofurl 12.1.1.1

          Reality is that it will be sourced cheaply and fabricated using cheap labour .

      • North 12.1.2

        Yeah cheers Colin……now I understand why you don’t have a mortgage….. the one you had has been bought and forgiven. Shill you. For value……

    • TC 12.2

      Then theres the pipelines…….at least our dams were built in another era thankfully.

  13. DLANZ Disabled Liberation Aotearoa NZ 13

    Thank you for raising this. DLANZ posted on our Facebook page…”Sky City as a place for jobs was a Con….This should be raised as an Urgent Debate in The House as the history of a one seat majority that saw this Bill passed was done on the grounds of big job growth, especially in construction and its manufacturing / services sector. The ‘official’ comment is that is the way of the Market. United’s Peter Dunne should shudder at his Coalition Partner’s lack of integrity and support Opposition calls . DLANZ hold that Co Leadership requires Co-responsibility and the Laissez-faire..We don’t care attitude is pitting our Society at risk…John Key, Stephen Joyce and all need to be held account for this ‘Systemic Indifference’ of failed economic models……it not Manaakitanga or Manaaki..tia Governance”
    Lets hope MP’s take note

    Regards and keep smiling
    Doug Hay
    DLANZ Cordinator

  14. Brett Cooper 14

    I wonder what percentage of the jobs will be full time and what percentage will be part time jobs.

    • Sabine 14.1

      more importantly how many will be paid enough so that th workers don’t need to live in cars or under bridges and can actually afford to live in the city that they work for.

      but then maybe Sky City will provide housing for the staff, i think if they look at Foxconn in China they could get inspiration for the dormitories. 6 – 12 to a room, sleeping in shifts.
      And of course the staff would have to pay for bed and food. Win Win.

  15. Bruce 15

    Shoddy steel, slave labour, military govt , no health and safety, coruption at every level. Of course it’s a bargain.

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  • Index of Power Update, 2018-19: China #2
    We reprint below an article from the excellent website the Economics of Imperialism by Tony Norfield This is an update of the statistics for my Index of Power, using data for 2018-19 and discussing what a country’s ranking reflects. The major change is that China’s rank has shifted up and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    18 hours ago
  • Climate Change: A history lesson
    Why is New Zealand climate change policy so crap? The Herald this morning has a long article on the twists and turns of climate change policy in New Zealand [paywalled / depaywall script], which shows where we've been. The short version is that the government first began worrying about this ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    20 hours ago
  • What the All Blacks Mean to Us
    The All Blacks have been, for more than a century, arguably the most successful International sports team in the world. But they are more than that; even for those Kiwis who are immune to the charms of rugby (and there are more than a few), the All Blacks are ambassadors ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    22 hours ago
  • No one is born into the wrong body
    A short and incredibly powerful speech from a young lesbian woman. No one is born in the wrong body. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 days ago
  • Contempt
    Back in June, the UK Court of Appeal ruled that that country's continued arms sales to Saudi Arabia were unlawful. So you'd expect that the UK government stopped approving them, right?Of course not:The government has apologised for breaching a court ruling against the sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Covering up the cover-up
    Yesterday NZDF officials were put on the stand about the lies they had told over Operation Burnham, making implausible claims that it was all a big mistake. But along the way, we learned they had already been put on the spot about it by a previous Defence Minister, who had ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Not as important as they think they are
    Farmers have been whining a lot lately, about the methane targets in the Zero Carbon Bill, about Canterbury's proposed nitrogen limits, and about the government's new proposals to stop them from shitting in our lakes and rivers. These policies are "throwing farmers under the tractor", they will force farmers off ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Behind Every Good Woman Should Stand – Another Good Woman.
    Alone, Alone, All, All, Alone: To argue that the Prime Minister is the victim of her advisers’ failure to keep her informed may offer Jacinda some measure of exoneration – but only at the cost of casting her as a hopeless political ingénue. A star-dusted muppet, whose only purpose is to ...
    2 days ago
  • Poor quality, poorly educated kiddie ‘Journalists’ spreading fake news
    In times of hysteria about the “World coming to an end” and “rising sea levels” so-called ‘Journalists’ who can barely spell words longer than four letters are having a ball! Though the majority of the Public have worked out that manmade climate change is nothing short of pseudo-science, and the ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    2 days ago
  • Chris Trotter on the BFD
    I don't want to give pblicity to certain parts of the internet that are better left to fester in their own irrelevance (I know, a bit like this place) but the listing of Chris Trotter as a 'author' on Cameron Slater's spinoff website, the BFD requires some explanation.Now, I don't ...
    2 days ago
  • Sex is not a spectrum
    The text below is a Twitter thread by Heather Heying that explains the essence of sexual reproduction and it long evolutionary history. She is an evolutionary biologist and a “professor-in-exile” after she and her husband, Bret Weinstein, stood up to supporters of an enforced “Day of Absence” for white staff and teachers ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 days ago
  • Climate Change: Trees, aviation, and offsets
    With crunch time for new Zealand climate policy approaching, most of the New Zealand media have got on board with a global reporting effort to cover the issue. There's one strand of stories today about polling and what it shows about changing public attitudes to the crisis, but the strand ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Pissing-Off The Israelis Is A High-Risk Strategy.
    Dangerous Foes: For those readers of Bowalley Road who feel disposed to dismiss any prospect of an Israeli destabilisation of New Zealand politics, the example of the United Kingdom repays close attention. Ever since the election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the British Labour Party, the Israelis have sanctioned, funded and ...
    3 days ago
  • Something to go to in Wellington
    Make It 16, the youth-led campaign to lower New Zealand's voting age, is holding an official campaign launch at Parliament this Friday from 16:30. If you'd like to attend, you can register using EventBrite here. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • A founding member responds to Peace Action Wellington
    by Don Franks It was a lovely sunny Wellington afternoon with blue skies above  the beaches.  In Courtenay Place, political activists packed out a stuffy upstairs room for an important meeting. The assembled pacifists, anarchists, communists and independent young radicals of Peace Action Wellington felt the need for a mission ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    3 days ago
  • “Mistakes and errors”
    Current and former NZDF top brass are being publicly grilled this week by the hit and run inquiry over their public responses to allegations of civilian casualties. Previously, they've claimed there were no casualties, a position which led them to lie to Ministers and to the public. Now, they're saying ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • “Homosexuality is same-sex attraction and relationships, not heterosexuals with delusions of gende...
    by Rafael D. Quiles (gender-critical gay man from Puerto Rico) The writing on the wall is right in people’s faces and people just don’t see it or don’t want to. What could actually possess a heterosexual male to want to feminize himself and claim that he is a lesbian? Because ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    3 days ago
  • Trump: “Where’s my favourite dictator?”
    From the Wall Street Journal:Inside a room of the ornately decorated Hotel du Palais during last month’s Group of Seven summit in Biarritz, France, President Trump awaited a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi. Mr. Trump looked over a gathering of American and Egyptian officials and called out in ...
    4 days ago
  • Magdalen Burns, 1983-2019, fighter for women’s liberation
    by the Redline blog collective At Redline we are very saddened to hear of the death of Magdalen Burns who passed away on the morning of Friday, September 13 (British time). Magdalen was a great fighter for the rights of women in general and lesbian women in particular, a defender ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    4 days ago
  • Parliament and the Executive
    The Brexit issue has certainly brought with it a series of apparently difficult constitutional issues, many of them concerning the respective roles of the executive and parliament. Most of them arise because of the unwillingness of MPs, despite their professions to the contrary, to be bound by a constitutional rarity ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    5 days ago
  • The Abigail Article; Martyn Bradbury’s Article, and My Response
    . . This blogpost is different to my usual format of reporting on issues… Since July 1011, I have blogged on a variety of political issues; near always political and/or environmental; mostly highly critical of the previous National Government. Other issues included Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and repression of ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    5 days ago
  • Police will have to wear silly Buckingham Palace hats from now on, says Police Minister
    Those close to the Police Minister believe the initiative may be the result of Nash “seeing a great deal” on AliExpress. In a move that comes seemingly out of nowhere, Police Minister Stuart Nash announced this afternoon that he expects all frontline staff to don bearskin hats, famously worn by ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    6 days ago
  • A sensible crackdown
    The government has released its Arms Legislation Bill, containing the second tranche of changes to gun laws following the March 15 massacre. And it all looks quite sensible: a national gun register, higher penalties for illegal possession and dealing, tighter restrictions on arms dealers and shooting clubs, and a shorter ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
    When National was in power, they were very keen on Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) - basicly, using private companies to finance public infrastructure as a way of hiding debt from the public. They were keen on using them for everything - roads, schools, hospitals. But as the UK shows, that "service" ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    6 days ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    7 days ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    7 days ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    1 week ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    1 week ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    1 week ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    1 week ago
  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
    Hi there, just call me Tim.We face tough problems, and I’d like to help, because there are solutions.An Auckand District Health Board member has nominated me for as a candidate for the ADHB, because her MS-related pain and fatigue is reduced with hemp products from Rotorua.  Nothing else helped her. If I ...
    1 week ago
  • Good little vassals
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
    1 week ago
  • The Politics of Opposition
    For most of the time I was a British MP, my party was out of government – these were the Thatcher years, when it was hard for anyone else to get a look-in. As a front-bencher and shadow minister, I became familiar with the strategies required in a parliamentary democracy ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
    1 week ago
  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh On August 29th a video in which veteran FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) commander Iván Márquez announced that they had taken up arms again was released. There was no delay in the reaction to it, from longtime Liberal Party figure and former president Uribe, for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
    Air New Zealand couldn’t believe its luck that this seemingly ideal piece of real estate had so far gone entirely unnoticed. Air New Zealand’s search for a site to build a second Auckland Airport may have made a breakthrough this afternoon, after employees scanning Google satellite imagery spotted a huge, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s failure
    When National was in government and fucking over the poor for the benefit of the rich, foodbanks were a growth industry. And now Labour is in charge, nothing has changed: A huge demand for emergency food parcels means the Auckland City Mission is struggling to prepare for the impending arrival ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
    Gayford, pictured here on The Project, before things got wildly out of control. A bold public relations move by the Government to encourage parents to vaccinate their children has gone horribly wrong. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern appeared on tonight’s episode of Three’s The Project, where the plan was for her ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Cleaning up the water
    Today the government released its Action Plan for Healthy Waterways, aimed at cleaning up our lakes and rivers. Its actually quite good. There will be protection for wetlands, better standards for swimming spots, a requirement for continuous improvement, and better standards for wastewater and stormwater. But most importantly, there's a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
    Anti-fluoride activists have some wealthy backers – they are erecting billboards misrepresenting the Canadian study on many New Zealand cities – and local authorities are ordering their removal because of their scaremongering. Many New Zealanders ...
    2 weeks ago

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