This is awkward

Written By: - Date published: 7:51 am, March 6th, 2022 - 85 comments
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Remember when Chris Luxon joined all other leaders and state that National would not meet with the protesters until they stopped trespassing and making threats?  It appears that things are not as black and white as he presented.

On February 15, 2022 Radio New Zealand reported his stance in this article.  It said:

National leader Christopher Luxon has backed the prime minister’s decision to avoid protesters outside Parliament, saying he too would not negotiate with them.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern yesterday flatly rejected the protesters’ request for a meeting, pointing out some carried signs calling for the death of politicians.

Heading into a caucus meeting at Parliament this morning, Luxon told media it was difficult to engage with the group given their “anti-social, abusive” behaviour.

“We respect people’s right to protest but we expect them do it within the rules – and that’s not been happening. We are a party of law and order,” Luxon said.

“When you come here to talk about freedoms and then you impinge the freedoms of others … that’s not on.”

Chris Bishop was even more resolute.  From the same article:

National’s Covid-19 Response spokesperson Chris Bishop this morning told reporters the full caucus had agreed not to meet or engage with the protesters.

“Look out the window: You can see signs in chalk that say ‘hang ’em high’,” Bishop said.

“I don’t seriously understand how [protesters] can expect MPs to go and engage with people who want to lynch us.”

But it appears that things were not as straight forward as had been presented and National was in fact negotiating with the protesters.  From Radio New Zealand yesterday:

National MP Maureen Pugh has claimed members of the party were talking with protesters on an almost daily basis.

However, the National Party said no one was sent from the party to talk to the anti-mandate protesters camped out on Parliament’s lawn for three weeks.

Pugh’s comments came in response to a member of the public on Facebook who questioned why the National Party had ignored the protesters at Parliament.

“I always read your posts but can see nothing about why you all decided to not to talk to the ones on the ground. Why did you side with the Ardern government why? Luxton [sic] and the party you represent did nothing,” said the social media post, by a person who according to her Facebook profile lives in the West Coast-Tasman electorate which Pugh has unsuccessfully contested since 2014.

In response, Pugh claimed “we had one or two members in there talking with protestors on an almost daily basis”.

“We have no control over what the Speaker does in relation to the grounds, and certainly not what the PM does. Biggest challenge was the crowd itself deciding who the spokespeople were who would be speaking for the various groups who were represented. By the time they identified them the crowd and the messages were very mixed. Then we wrote to the only email address we had and said we would enter dialogue as soon as they stopped the unlawful aspects to their protest.”

She later clarified she meant party members and not MPs.

During the protests, National Party leader Christopher Luxon said he would not be negotiating with the protesters, who ranged from “white supremacists to Māori separatists and everything in-between”.

It was part of a united front from MPs of all parties in disapproving of the protest which occupied Parliament’s lawn and the surrounding streets for 23 days and ultimately ended in a violent riot.

Attempts to contact Pugh were unsuccessful.

Pugh has previously shown a propensity to side with the anti vaccination movement, having prevaricated over being vaccinated herself and then hurriedly deleting a pro protest post she put up on facebook.

This puts Luxon’s leadership under some pressure and after a period of relative stability within National’s caucus shows again that their ability to organise a piss up in a brewery is not assured.

And it is somewhat duplicitous.  Publicly refusing to meet with the protestors because of law and order considerations while at the same time privately meeting with them suggests a party commitment to the rule of law as well as truth that is flexible depending on the circumstances.

I hope the media ask Luxon the following questions:

  1. Which members of the Party met with the protest leaders and on what dates?
  2. When did he first find out about these meetings?
  3. What is he going to do with Maureen Pugh?

Simon Bridges must be grinning from ear to ear.  This is yet further vindication of his privately expressed view about Pugh.  I would not be surprised if she was considering spending more time with her family.

85 comments on “This is awkward ”

  1. Dennis Frank 1

    Far be it for me to defend Luxon but I imagine he can claim plausible deniability – he said his team would not negotiate with them, his party members aren't in the caucus team and talking isn't necessarily negotiating anyway.

    With regard to any competence-challenged team members, the pc ethos is to encourage them to do better. Booting them out is old-fashioned. He could establish re-education camps for them, like the Chinese.

    • Hongi Ika 1.1

      Evidently Chrome Dome worked at McDonalds when he was at University, a step up from the Fish & Chip Wrapper from Morrinsville.

      • CrimzonGhost 1.1.1

        Nah, fish & Chiies, or a burger from a Chippy much more filling, mostly more economical and you support an independent family run and operated business. Better that than support a McDonalds corporate monstrosity that treats staff as product and sucks money oversea from the franchisee fees.

    • mac1 1.2

      There's 'talking to' and there's 'talking with', and then there's what Pugh said also, "we would enter dialogue".

      You talk 'to' someone is having a chat. You talk 'with' someone, you're 'having talks'. Pugh said the latter, meaning having talks, and confirmed this meaning with the 'dialogue' reference.

      This is why words are important, and why some politicians, John Key was a master at this, use 'weasel' words in such a slippery fashion so as to create an out if called to account for their statements.

      I see Hongi Ika at 7.1 makes similar observations.

  2. PsyclingLeft.Always 2

    Today's posts by Pugh follow a Facebook post last month in which she expressed her thanks to the protesters.

    Pugh later edited the post before deleting it entirely, saying she did not know some of the protesters were anti-vaccination.

    The former Westland District Mayor was one of the last National MPs to get vaccinated, only getting her first dose in October, according to reporting by the New Zealand Herald.

    Her caucus colleague, Whanganui List MP Harete Hipango, attended a protest organised by antivax group Voices For Freedom, before later claiming she was unaware of the message behind the protest.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/462799/national-mp-party-members-were-meeting-with-parliament-protesters

    Huh? Did not know…and Unaware.? Yea right. And Mr Luxon’s problems….continue.

    • rod 2.1

      It's beginning to look like the National Party's finger prints are all over these protests. imho. Thank you Ms Pugh.

  3. Muttonbird 3

    And on the day of his big presidential speech. How unfortunate.

  4. Robert Guyton 4

    Pugh knew but didn't share with Luxon.

    Tight ship.

  5. Coventrie 5

    "Plausible deniability" for Luxon, yes, plus providing a perfect fuel for the agitators who all along would have been stoked with the "we know something you don't know" feeling.

  6. alwyn 6

    I would say that there are almost certainly a number of Labour Party members who have applauded Putin for his invasion of The Ukraine. They are probably backing away now of course but when it was looming they may have said that he had to do it because western countries were trying to get Russia surrounded by NATO countries and so on.

    It is rather hard to check of course as recently I have found it difficult to find people who will admit to being members. People who asserted proudly that they were members back in the early Clark days, or in the last six months of 2020 seem to have gone very quiet on the matter of any party affiliation. I guess it is understandable of course.

    I am not going to argue however that the Parliamentary Party are on Putin's side though. At some stage they may make up their mind on the matter and we can judge them but at the moment they are still on the "On one hand ….. on the other hand .. on the third hand … " treadmill.

    [Very weak attempted diversion. How about sticking to the subject of the post – MS]

    • Robert Guyton 6.1

      Seems you're on the wrong thread, Alwyn.

      Or wrong track.

      Maybe wrong planet?

    • Dennis Frank 6.2

      This is awkward, Alwyn, but perhaps a little too early in the morning for thinking hard so a lapse into whataboutism is understandable.

      What you could try is a venture into the topics that the Nats were exploring with the protestors. Even without inside knowledge it's a fruitful area of speculation. For instance, the grounds of parliament could be a commons.

      If so, the doctrine of trespass could not be made to apply. It would be a point of law to debate, right? English common law around public land etc. Trespass applying only to private land. Not being a lawyer, I can only guess at the validity of these points. But I can see how the Nats could have been encouraging the protestors to stop whining & stand up for themselves by means of a class action…

      • Patricia Bremner 6.2.1

        We are not in England, and we have little in common with boorish Boris who blatantly ignores the laws… except when they suit him…. like him you mean?

        No we will find a way, and it won't involve incarceration and physical damage. Dissent is already allowed, but anarchy is not.

        It would be interesting and informative to know who were infiltrating agitating and keeping issues on the boil. Film over the days may unravel that part of the puzzle.

        • Dennis Frank 6.2.1.1

          We derive our justice system from England. Consequently we inherited English common law & application of the commons principle to public land. I've noticed in the past how elements of English common law are still cited in court cases…

      • Hongi Ika 6.2.2

        Someone or somebodies were enflamming the DUMB LIVES MATTER MOVEMENT, the majority of them require some mental health assessment as they are not balanced, I am guessing a lot of them are on prescription medicines or partaking in illegal substances.

        • Tricledrown 6.2.2.1

          Geeze Hongi Ika like watching Fox News,Qanon,infowars.

          Like your style but how do bring those people back from their rabbit holes.

          With so many people pushed out of society living on the fringes.

          Homelessness people living in cars , mobile homes ,tents and on cardboard .

          These people have no power other than the power of sabotage.

          Until we do something quickly about ridiculous rents / housing stable communities.

          More inequality is going to happen.

          Gangs getting bigger More powerful.

          More drug and alcohol problems.

          More divisiveness in society.

          More extreme politics the reputation of NZ as a safe place is going going gone?

          This govt has 18 months when Covid first hit NZ. This govt found better housing for nearly all homeless people.

          Why can't that be done now.

          Micro homes, campervans, are better than nothing.

          Luxon from the ladder pullers party has got criticism right housing is out of control and hasn't got any better under Labour.

          While the new build consents are up to 60 ,000 per Yr that needs to be sustained for years to make a difference.

          Once the borders open the number of Kiwis returning,seasonal workers and migrants requiring accomodation is going to put more strain on housing.

          No easy solution in sight.

          The next print Grant Roberston does should have a massive budget for affordable housing direct funding rather than through banks who pushed up prices by bidding wars amongst existing stocks.

          The big banks should only be allowed to use printed money for new builds.

  7. Peter 7

    Mediawatch on RNZ this morning had a bit from Maureen Pugh at NZ on Air's annual review last week.

    She talked about the public maintaining trust in what is presented in the media. Mmm, can I believe the stuff in the media about Pugh not knowing some protestors were anti-vaccination? What can I believe in the versions of stories from Pugh and Luxon?

    C'mon Maureen, let's talk about trust.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018833071/broadcasting-flying-blind-on-public-media-plan

    • Hongi Ika 7.1

      National Party Politican's all struggle with the truth, remember the mealy mouthed John Key, he was the master of deflection and untruth's. No doubt learnt the technique in his Merchant Banking career where most of them would struggle to lie straight in bed.

  8. pat 8

    Am quite sure some National Party members were in touch with the protesters….there were probably some there….as its likely there were also members of Labour, the Greens, Act and NZFirst.

    Pugh's problem appears to be a propensity to be transparent…..not at all a trait appreciated by the political class of any party.

    • PsyclingLeft.Always 8.1

      lol, she says what she thinks…..such as it is.

      • pat 8.1.1

        Thats one one of viewing it…..another is she speaks honestly without regard to political fallout.

        What do we desire of our politicians?

        • PsyclingLeft.Always 8.1.1.1

          Pugh revealed in 2016 that she does not believe in pharmaceutical drugs, saying that she never takes any kind of medication and has only ever given her children chiropractic treatments. She said that nature delivers whatever people need, and that "there's nothing wrong with getting a cold or getting a flu – if you have a healthy immune system you can deal with it."[27][28]

          The following day she wrote "I do support the use of pharmaceuticals, such as Panadol and anaesthetic"

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maureen_Pugh

          And its her prerogative to…..change her mind the next day …apparently.
          I do see that she has also been struck by lightning…twice !

          • Matiri 8.1.1.1.1

            Three times!

            “National MP Maureen Pugh has been struck by lightning three times, she’s revealed – once so powerfully it cooked her flesh and another time leaving her like “a vegetable” for six weeks.”

            https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/09/national-mp-maureen-pugh-reveals-she-s-been-struck-by-lightning-three-times.html

          • pat 8.1.1.1.2

            And you apparently think thats an undesirable position ….as is your right, However are those statements necessarily contradictory or even outrageous?

            And if she is happy to voice such publicly then you at least have the opportunity to decide whether you think they are sensible or not and whether you would vote for her.

            She could of course express no opinions on anything ever….and still be elected.

            • PsyclingLeft.Always 8.1.1.1.2.1

              She could of course express no opinions on anything ever….and still be elected.

              Sad but true. Bit like Bill English The Ol’ Double Dipper from Dipton. Was said a blue painted fence post would still have been elected : )

              • Hongi Ika

                Bill could have danced naked down the Main Street of Gore on a Friday Night and he would have still been elected with a crushing majority.

        • Robert Guyton 8.1.1.2

          Pugh, the epitome of political brilliance?

          Perhaps…

          Can't help thinking of Treasure Island though.

        • Patricia Bremner 8.1.1.3

          What do we require of our politicians?

          Well most of us hope the National Party choose better representatives than the previous lot. An amalgam of associations actions and stances which have led to many a swift cover up by the party machine or mea culpa or convictions. They are hardly lilies. Goodfellow's choices have a checkered history.devil

    • Robert Guyton 8.2

      What I mostly heard from antivaxxers is that they'd abandoned their support for any political party and were waiting expectantly for the party of their dreams; one that championed their beliefs, to appear.

      • weka 8.2.1

        this is part of the political naivety. We're all waiting for the part of our dreams, it's just not how things work at the moment.

      • PsyclingLeft.Always 8.2.2

        Their "Dreams/Beliefs"..going by what I have seen/read(The Lists ?) argh…. and "The party of their dreams" quite the Nightmare IMO.

      • Hongi Ika 8.2.3

        The Destiny Church Political Wing could be right up their alley, religious, indigenous and politically savvy.

      • felix 8.2.4

        That's not just anti-vax people Robert, that's probably most of us. The number of voters who actually turn up on polling day enthusiastic about voting for a party they believe in is increasingly and vanishingly small.

        The best most can hope for is to settle on a least worst option.

    • Hongi Ika 8.3

      Winston and NZF definitely had the inside running on what was going on as Winston predicted it was going to end in a riot.

      • Tricledrown 8.3.1

        His appearance gave credibility to protestors so Winston could pick that scab

        • Hongi Ika 8.3.1.1

          Winston loves an audience and it was a good platform to launch his comeback along with picking up some disaffected voters, also aiming at the right wing provincial vote.

      • Dennis Frank 8.3.2

        He blew a wonderful opportunity. Imagine watching him leading them in a haka on the tv news. His mana would have shot up again. Not with the 95%, of course, but 5% is all he needs to get back into parliament…

    • mary_a 8.4

      Pat (8) … Did you miss seeing the NZ First "representative" there at the protest a couple of weeks ago, not wearing a mask while giving them support, even shaking hands with some of the occupiers?

      • pat 8.4.1

        Ah Winston…I didn't see it but had heard….but it wasn't MPs (current or ex) Pugh was referring to…it was party members.

  9. PsyclingLeft.Always 9

    He also attacked socialism as a political system, saying it created misery.

    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/luxon-attacks-labour-socialism-state-nation-address

    Mr Luxon…..sayin’ it how he sees it ! Just wondering….was he also, like Maureen ,struck by lightning? Might explain the hair loss…and brain fry : )

    • Hongi Ika 9.1

      Is Mr Luxon a Neoliberal ?

      • PsyclingLeft.Always 9.1.1

        Well….I'd say he is….whatever will catch a vote! And I read from my link above…he also raises (the spectre? ) of Blinglish again .

        Anyway….methinks he's got his work cut out dealing with his Party "members" brain farts : )

        • Hongi Ika 9.1.1.1

          Bill making a come back interesting ?

          • Barfly 9.1.1.1.1

            Luxon was referencing English's "social investment" idea

            "save taxpayers money in the long run ".

            • ghostwhowalksnz 9.1.1.1.1.1

              Cuts to social services now and claim it works better targetted…but in the future.

              It was just a talking point as they never really worked out what they wanted …apart from cutting social spending

    • Tricledrown 9.2

      With out Socialism he wouldn't have an airline to laud himself with.

      How many times has Labour bailed out Air NZ.

      Comparing Russia to NZ.

      Then blaming inflation on Labour while Covid is the main culprit.

      We have all had to make sacrifices in this pandemic trying to put the blame on a govt which has done better than every other country shows he is just another nit picker.

      • PsyclingLeft.Always 9.2.1

        The old Privatise profit, Socialise loss. Same as ever. And when he was in Moscow…did he bother to concern himself about the Wealth money copters heading offshore via Russian oligarchs ? It wuz the Market !

      • Hongi Ika 9.2.2

        Tricle the guy is not smart, he is just parroting what Crosby Textor want him to say, a good journalist would have him on the ropes in no time, Corporate Boofin without the rat cunning of John Key.

      • ghostwhowalksnz 9.2.3

        Socialist Fibre broadband

        The former local lines and exchanges part of Telecom rebranded as Chorus is now 63% government owned as it has been from its beginning when the National government but $1 bill into it for 45% and 15% split amoungst ACC and Cullen fund ( who exited more recently)

  10. felix 10

    So one of them said they wouldn't meet with protesters while they were trespassing.

    The other said they would only enter dialogue when the unlawful aspects were stopped.

    The only thing embarrassing about these quite reasonable and consistent positions is that they were expressed by the opposition instead of the govt.

  11. Incognito 11

    There are two types of people who speak up & out: the ones to whom you should pay attention and the ones whom you should ignore. Luxon and a few other previous ignorant Nat leaders made the mistake of apparently ignoring the ones that should be ignored. This is not a rookie mistake by Luxon, IMO, even though he’s a political novice with no points other than bullet points chalked up.

  12. Tricledrown 12

    Luxon is trying the same approach as the protestors blame the govt for everything.

  13. observer 13

    This can't be casually brushed aside as "Sure, individual National party members might have had conversations with protesters, people from other parties did too, on their own". Yes, they probably did.

    Not the point. Pugh's message is explicit: "We had … we wrote … we said." We.

    A National MP is adamant that the party was doing this. With an MP's knowledge and approval. And they went to some effort, repeatedly.

    Now, I'd guess that Pugh was not acting on Luxon's instructions. (Of course I don't know, it's only an working assumption that Luxon is not a complete idiot).

    So at the very least, he has a rogue MP who ignores the leader's clear, public position. Or worse, the "we" represents more than Pugh.

    Again (for the "whatabouters"), whether you/I think National should have been talking to the occupiers is irrelevant. The leader said they weren't. But he's not in charge.

  14. Patricia Bremner 14

    Perhaps Luxon could sing…"Maureen Maureen please don't take my light' (apologies to Dolly.)

  15. greywarshark 15

    What says Luxon – Pugh? Phew!

  16. Ad 16

    Luxon set out his 2023 lines in his speech today.

    He will move tax thresholds.

    He will cut the $14b light rail project.

    He will kill the Three Waters programme.

    He will reverse taxes including the Auckland Fuel Tax and the 10 year bright line tax.

    He will go back to the Bill English programme of further pulling welfare recipients off welfare and onto work.

    He certainly knows his base well.

    • Muttonbird 16.1

      He will go back to the Bill English programme of further pulling welfare recipients off welfare and onto work.

      Is that what Bill English's social investment program was all about? No-one seemed to know at the time of his demise.

      If this is what it means then presumably there will be a lot of incentive for NZ businesses to hire NZ people on the dole over imported cheap labour.

      How will NZ businesses react to that?

    • Barfly 16.2

      "He will go back to the Bill English programme of further pulling welfare recipients off welfare and onto work.

      He certainly knows his base well."

      Yes he does – from the article

      but Labour's approach was to "spend billions on welfare payments that only succeed in making poverty marginally less painful. They're reinforcing learned helplessness, not supporting Kiwis to become self-sufficient".

      "It was not delivering results, the number of people on benefits had increased. It's not caring or kind. It's crippling."

      I am absolutely confident that Luxon intends to cut billions from social welfare budget to 'help' the poor. sick and disabled become more "self sufficient" I am also confident that benefit sanctions, punishments et cetera would be increased if he achieves power. While it is obvious that Luxon does not have the sheer rat cunning of Key I believe they share a contempt for and a desire to punish the weakest and most vulnerable in our society. I do not wish these men any happiness angryangryangry

    • pat 16.3

      Base wont do it…but tax cuts for the middle ground has always worked in the past, and probably will again

    • Kiwijoker 16.4

      Certainly a diminishing return there.

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    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    2 days ago
  • LINDSAY MITCHELL: National needs to go further
    Lindsay Mitchell writes – In today’s State of the Nation speech Christopher Luxon talked repeatedly about getting young people off welfare. It seems that National has devised a traffic light system which will use increasing levels of sanctions – welfare deductions – when beneficiaries fail to meet their ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    2 days ago
  • Gordon Campbell on National spreading panic about the economy
    It is a political strategy as old as time. Scare the public with tales of disaster and stampede them into supporting your ideological agenda because they believe There Is No Alternative. Yet, if the NZ economy truly is as “fragile” as PM Christopher Luxon says it is… Then how come ...
    2 days ago
  • The promise of passive house design
    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections by Sarah Wesseler Imagine a home so efficient that it could be heated with a hair dryer. That’s the promise of a passive house, a design standard that’s becoming increasingly popular in the architecture community for its benefits to occupants and the climate. ...
    2 days ago
  • Deep in the Uncanny Valley of AI
    Hi,Before we get started, some very big fun Webworm news. I am launching a new journalism fund called Big Worm Farm!A really great thing that’s happened with Webworm over the last four years is that it’s grown. That’s great for a few reasons.Firstly — it means the work here gets ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    2 days ago
  • Introducing: Big Worm Farm
    Hi,I’m excited to tell you about Big Worm Farm.Put simply, the main aim of Big Worm Farm is to support investigative journalists from around the world to be able to devote dedicated time to research and report on a specific story, to be published on Webworm.The stories will capture the ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    2 days ago
  • Why Massey is broke
    The Tertiary Education Commission has named the two universities it says are at high risk financially. They are Massey and Victoria. The Commission appeared before Parliament’s Education Select Committee yesterday and offered a revealing and rare insight into the complex world of university economics. Its Briefing to the Incoming Minister ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    2 days ago
  • You keep Luxin' when you oughta be thruthin'
    Christopher Luxon’s campaign to win last year's election continued yesterday with a speech.Channelling possibly Bruce Willis in Die Hard, he was all, I'm not going to dress it up, I'm going to level with you guys: the state of the nation is fragile.The thing he’s maybe missing is that it ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    3 days ago
  • The PM spoke of the need for tough choices – and then opted to beat a retreat when gays and Gaza a...
    Buzz from the Beehive The PM’s State of the Nation speech – according to a Newshub headline – was a ‘buffet of buzzwords’ and full of ‘nonsense’. Fair to say, the quoted words were attributed to Opposition politicians, who were unlikely to say the speech was visionary and inspiring: PM ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    3 days ago
  • Keynesian Wisdom.
    When the facts change, I change my mind - what do you do, sir?John Maynard Keynes (1883-1946)This posting is exclusive to Bowalley Road. ...
    3 days ago
  • BRIAN EASTON: Puffing policy
    Public policy towards tobacco consumption remains politically sensitive. Brian Easton writes – In 1983, a young researcher was told by a medium-level Treasury official that Treasury policy was to abandon excise duties on tobacco. The senior Treasury economist that I consulted, famed for his commonsense, snorted ‘we ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago
  • Is 2.8% per year population growth too much?
    TL;DR: The Government is reviewing migration settings that produced 2.8% population growth last year and is looking at a longer-term strategy of matching population growth to the ‘absorbtive capacity’ of Aotearoa-NZ’s infrastructure.Our population grew last year at its fastest rate since 1947, when large numbers of troops returning from World ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago
  • Tough Choices & Tough Love.
    I've been trying to hurt youI've been holding you tightI've been learning to love youAm I doing it right?How are you still breathingWith my hands all over your heart?How do we start healingIf we can't keep out the dark?Yesterday the Prime Minister delivered his State of the Nation, for no ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    3 days ago
  • Will the 2024 RLTP be yet another debacle?
    A couple of years ago, Auckland Council and Auckland Transport found themselves in court over the 2021 Regional Land Transport Plan (RLTP). A non-profit alliance for transport decarbonisation, All Aboard Aotearoa, argued that among other factors, the RLTP was unlawful because it failed to give effect to the 2021 Government ...
    3 days ago
  • 2024 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #07
    A listing of 31 news and opinion articles we found interesting and shared on social media during the past week: Sun, Feb 11, 2024 thru Sat, Feb 17, 2024. Story of the week Based on mission alignment, our Story of the Week is certainly Can we be inoculated against climate ...
    3 days ago
  • Immigration Issues.
    Help is comingI heard a whisperWhite caps turningThe breath of summerA distant drummingAnd liar birds callingEscape the anguish of our pastAnd prayOne of the major challenges of the the 21st century will be the mass migration of human beings around our globe.Some seeking economic opportunities, others fleeing repressive regimes, war ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    4 days ago
  • Trust us, we know what we’re doing
    The best trick the National Party ever pulled was to fabricate their reputation as the responsible ones.This would be the National Party that denied us the New Zealand Superannuation Scheme that—Brian Gaynor wrote back in 2007would be worth more than $240 billion today and would have transformed the New Zealand ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    4 days ago
  • The Left’s Timidity
    It is not just Karl Marx – even the most enthusiastic supporters of the market economy (not least Adam Smith) will concede that its normal operation inevitably leads to a concentration of wealth in relatively few hands. Some, at least, of these enthusiasts will accept that such a concentration is ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    5 days ago
  • OLIVER HARTWICH: Absurd – NZ courts can now decide on climate change
    Oliver Hartwich writes – The World Justice Project ranks New Zealand 7th out of 142 countries on its ‘Rule of Law Index’, narrowly ahead of Australia’s 13th place. However, Australia still has hope – if only because of a recent decision by the Supreme Court of New Zealand. The ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    5 days ago
  • Still waiting on that turnaround
    Hello! Here comes the Saturday edition of More Than A Feilding, catching you up on the past week’s editions.Friday: Week in review, quiz style2. Shane Jones’ demeanour in mocking and deriding climate activists can be observed in what other realm of human behaviour?a. Gleeful little boys pulling wings off fliesb. ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    5 days ago
  • Mihi Forbes and the great Atlas conspiracy
    Graham Adams writes — Last week, Mihingarangi Forbes made an extraordinary claim while interviewing David Seymour on Mata Reports, a taxpayer-funded current affairs programme which, she says, looks at events through an “indigenous lens”. She asked him about Act’s links to the Atlas Network, which fosters connections between centre-right ...
    Point of OrderBy gadams1000
    5 days ago
  • Puffing Policy
    Public policy towards tobacco consumption remains politically sensitive. In 1983, a young researcher was told by a medium-level Treasury official that Treasury policy was to abandon excise duties on tobacco. The senior Treasury economist that I consulted, famed for his commonsense, snorted ‘we need the money’. He explained that no-excise-duty ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    5 days ago
  • Luxon is one of three prime ministers pressing for a ceasefire in Gaza – but the two-state solutio...
    Buzz from the Beehive Two days after hundreds of people rallied outside the New Zealand parliament and the US embassy in Wellington to protest against what they maintain is genocide in Gaza,  Prime Minister Chris Luxon joined with the Prime Ministers of Australia and Canada to express their  concerns that ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    6 days ago
  • All jellied up with possum grease
    1. Shane Jones, addressing the energy industry, called climate concern what?a. The only sane responseb. Undeniably valid c. Our last best hope d. A "religion" 2. Shane Jones’ demeanour in mocking and deriding climate activists can be observed in what other realm of human behaviour?a. Gleeful little boys pulling wings off fliesb. Gleeful ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    6 days ago
  • Equality comes to Greece
    The Greek Parliament has voted for marriage equality: Greece has become the first Christian Orthodox-majority country to legalise same-sex marriage. Same-sex couples will now also be legally allowed to adopt children after Thursday's 176-76 vote in parliament. Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis said the new law would "boldly abolish a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • CHRIS TROTTER:  Iron in her soul.
      “Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.” – Friedrich Nietzsche   Chris Trotter writes – TELEVISION NEW ZEALAND is to be congratulated for inviting Chloe Swarbrick onto its Q+A current affairs show. The Green MP ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    6 days ago
  • The Hoon around the week to Feb 16
    Net emigration of New Zealanders overseas hit a record-high 47,000 in the 2023 year, which only partly offset net immigration of 173,000, which was dominated by arrivals from India, the Philippines and China with temporary work visas. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The five things that mattered in Aotearoa’s ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    6 days ago
  • Stop Whispering.
    There's nothing to sayAnd there's nothing to doStop whispering, start shoutingStop whispering, start shoutingYesterday our government surprised a few of us by standing up for something. It wasn’t for the benefit of people who own holiday homes and multiple investment properties. Neither were there any tobacco companies or fishing cartels ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    6 days ago
  • “I'm Not Keen on Whataboutism, But What About…”
    Hi,Not sure how your week is going, but I’ve had a pretty frustrating one. I’ve been trying to put my finger on it, and I think it’s perhaps distilled in this message I got on Twitter:What got me a bit riled up is that it was a response to the ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    6 days ago
  • Gordon Campbell on National passing bad policies under urgency
    If National really had faith in its welfare policies, it wouldn’t be ramming them through Parliament under urgency – a step that means the policies can’t be exposed to select committee debate, public submissions, expert commentary, media scrutiny and all the normal democratic processes that this coalition appears to hold ...
    6 days ago
  • Weekly Roundup 16-February-2024
    It’s Friday so once again here”s our roundup of some of the articles that caught our attention this week. This Week in Greater Auckland On Monday Matt looked at the Government’s war on Auckland. On Tuesday Matt covered the ongoing issues with the rail network. On Thursday Matt ...
    Greater AucklandBy Greater Auckland
    6 days ago
  • The Dawn Chorus for Friday, February 16
    The six things to note in my view at 6.30 am on Friday, February 16 in Aotearoa-NZ’s political economy are: Read more ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    6 days ago
  • Iron In Her Soul.
    “Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.” – Friedrich NietzscheTELEVISION NEW ZEALAND is to be congratulated for inviting Chloe Swarbrick onto its Q+A current affairs show. The Green MP for Auckland Central is the odds-on ...
    6 days ago
  • Dig this
    Resources Minister Shane Jones yesterday told a breakfast hosted by Energy Resources Aotearoa precisely what they wanted to hear. “We campaigned to rehabilitate relegitimise and stand up for working families who derive their income,  derive their hope and derive purpose in regional New Zealand through a flourishing, growing, forward-leaning energy ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    6 days ago
  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #7 2024
    Open access notables Physics-based early warning signal shows that AMOC is on tipping course, van Westen et al., Science Advances: Here, we show results of the first tipping event in the Community Earth System Model, including the large climate impacts of the collapse. Using these results, we develop a physics-based and ...
    6 days ago
  • A rejection of the rule of law
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Shrugging-Off The Atlas Network.
    Upholding The Status-Quo: The Left’s election defeat is not the work of the Atlas Network. It is not even the work of David Seymour and Act. It is the work of ordinary citizens who liked the Right’s stories better than they liked the Left’s. If the Right’s stories were made ...
    7 days ago
  • BARRIE SAUNDERS: Treaty Principles – all rather problematic
    Barrie Saunders writes – When ACT’s leader said they wanted legislation to state what the Treaty principles mean, my first thought was this will be controversial and divisive.  Clearly it is. The first reference to the principles of the Treaty were contained in the 1975 Act establishing the Treaty of ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    7 days ago
  • Luxon Rejects The “Rejection Election” At His Peril.
    Fitting Right In: National retailed a reactionary manifesto of right-wing, racially-charged policies to the electorate throughout 2023. No talk back then of ignoring the overwhelming political preferences of the voting public and making a strong stand on principle. If Luxon’s pollsters and focus-groups were telling him that the public was ...
    7 days ago
  • Valentine’s Day went unnoticed on the Beehive website – but it is not “baa, humbug” to celeb...
    Buzz from the Beehive None of our ministers – a quick check with the Beehive website suggests – found cause to mention, let along celebrate, Valentine’s Day. But two ministers – Agriculture Minister Todd McClay and Rural Communities Minister Mark Patterson – ensured that National Lamb Day did not pass ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    7 days ago
  • Are You A Leftist?
    Nothing To Lose But Our Chains: The emancipatory movement which the Left, understood correctly, has always been, cannot accommodate those who are only able to celebrate one group’s freedom by taking it from another. The expectation, always, among leftists, is that liberty enlarges us. That striking-off a person’s shackles not ...
    7 days ago
  • An unlawful directive
    An interesting question in the Parliamentary written questions feed today, from Jan Tinetti to the Minister of Education: Has she or her Office directed the Ministry of Education to not release Official Information Act material prior to the full twenty working days, if so, why? Given that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • I’ve been doing this all wrong
    Here are six words that are not easy to say but god it can feel good when you finally say them:I’ve been doing this all wrongFive years ago today I said to myself:What if I'm doing this all wrong?Five years ago today I said to Karren: I think I’m going to ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    7 days ago
  • New study suggests the Atlantic overturning circulation AMOC “is on tipping course”
    This is a re-post from RealClimate by Stefan Rahmstorf A new paper was published in Science Advances today. Its title says what it is about: “Physics-based early warning signal shows that AMOC is on tipping course.” The study follows one by Danish colleagues which made headlines last July, likewise looking for early warning signals ...
    7 days ago
  • Drawn
    A ballot for five Member's Bills was held today, and the following bills were drawn: Parole (Mandatory Completion of Rehabilitative Programmes) Amendment Bill (Todd Stephenson) Goods and Services Tax (Removing GST From Food) Amendment Bill (Rawiri Waititi) Income Tax (ACC Payments) Amendment Bill (Hamish Campbell) ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Valentines from ACT.
    Some of us make a big deal out of Valentine’s Day. We’ll buy the flowers, eye watering though the price spike might be. Say the things we should be saying anyway, although diminished by being scheduled for delivery. Some of us will even write long free-form newsletters with declarations of ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    7 days ago
  • Tax cuts paid for by 13k more kids in poverty
    MSD advised the government that the indexation change it passed under urgency last night is likely to put around 7,000 extra children (and potentially up to 13,000) into poverty. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The Government has reverted indexation for main beneficiaries to price inflation from wage inflation under ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    7 days ago
  • Fuel Tax Fight and Rail Fail update
    The two stories we covered at the start of the week continue to be in the headlines so it’s worth looking at the latest for each of them. Regional Fuel Tax Mayor Wayne Brown promised some ‘argy-bargy’ over the government’s decision to cancel the Regional Fuel Tax and he’s ...
    7 days ago
  • Climate Change: Arsonists
    Today, a major fire broke out on the Port Hills in Ōtutahi. Like its 2017 predecessors, it is almost certainly exacerbated by climate change. And it is still burning. The present government did not start the fire. But they piled the tinder high last time they were in power, gutting ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • I don’t know!
    http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/73411 7 examples And who actually makes the decisions? Vladimir Putin: I don’t know. America is a complex country, conservative on the one hand, rapidly changing on the other. It’s not easy for us to sort it all out.   Tucker Carlson: Do you think Zelensky has the freedom to negotiate the settlement to this conflict? Vladimir Putin: I don’t know the details, of course it’s difficult for me to judge, but ...
    1 week ago
  • Fresh thinkers
    Fresh thinking will always give you hope.It might be the kind that makes you smite your brow, exclaiming: Why didn't we think of that! It's obvious!It might be the kind that makes you go: Dude you’re a genius.Sometimes it will simply be Wayne Brown handing Simeon Brown his weasel ass ...
    More than a fieldingBy David Slack
    1 week ago
  • It is not about age, it is about team.
    Much attention has been directed at Joe Biden’s mental lapses and physical frailty. Less attention has been spent on Donald Trump’s cognitive difficulties and physical limitations, with most focus being devoted to his insults and exaggerated claims (as if they … Continue reading ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • ROBERT MacCULLOCH: Fletcher Building – it is time to break up NZ’s most useless company.
    Robert MacCulloch writes –  Gosh, the CEO of Fletcher Building, Ross Taylor, says today’s announcement of a half-year loss of $120 million for the company is “disappointing” and was “heavily impacted” by the Convention Centre losses. He must be crying all the way to the bank (to quote Las ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    1 week ago
  • Mortgage rates seen high for even longer
    Government and borrower hopes for early mortgage cost relief look likely to be thwarted. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: Stronger-than-expected US inflation data out overnight is expected to delay the first US Federal Reserve rate cut into the second half of 2024, which in turn would hold mortgage rates ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 week ago
  • Member’s Day
    Today is a Member's Day, the first of the new Parliament. And to start the Parliament off, there's a bunch of first readings. A bunch of other bills have been postponed, so first up is Duncan Webb's District Court (Protecting Judgment Debtors on Main Benefit) Amendment Bill, followed by Katie ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Three Waters go down the legislative gurgler – but what should we make of Local Water Done Well?
    Buzz from the Beehive Local Government Minister Simeon Brown – it seems fair to suppose – was flushed with success after the repeal of Labour’s divisive and unpopular Three Waters legislation. As he explained, repealing this legislation is a necessary first step in implementing his government’s Local Water Done Well ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    1 week ago

  • PM shocked and saddened at death of Efeso Collins
    “I am truly shocked and saddened at the news of Efeso Collins’ sudden death,” Prime Minister Christopher Luxon says. “Efeso was a good man, always friendly and kind, and a true champion and advocate for his Samoan and South Auckland communities. “Our thoughts and deepest sympathies go to his family, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    16 hours ago
  • Greater support for social workers
    The Coalition Government is enhancing the professionalism of the social work sector and supporting the vulnerable people who rely on them, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says.  The Social Workers Registration Legislation Amendment Bill passed its third reading in Parliament today. It amends the Social Workers Registration Legislation ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Government delivers greater freedom and choice for sick New Zealanders
    The coalition government is delivering on its commitment to making principled decisions by getting rid of red tape that doesn’t make sense and allowing sick New Zealanders greater freedom and choice to purchase effective cold and flu medicines. A bill amending the Misuse of Drugs Act 1975 is being introduced, and changes to the Medicines ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Government begins reset of welfare system
    The Coalition Government is taking early action to curb the surge in welfare dependency that occurred under the previous government by setting out its expectations around employment and the use of benefit sanctions, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. In 2017, 60,588 sanctions were applied to beneficiaries who ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • State of the Nation
    Ka nui te mihi kia koutou. Kia ora, good morning, talofa, malo e lelei, bula vinaka, da jia hao, namaste, sat sri akal, assalamu alaikum. Thank you for coming to my first State of the Nation as Prime Minister. Thank you for coming to a speech where I don’t just ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • West Coast tourism attractions officially open
    Regional Development Minister Shane Jones will attend the official opening of two highly anticipated tourism projects on the West Coast today – Pike29 Memorial Track, dedicated to the memory of the Pike River miners, and Pounamu Pathway. “The Pike29 Memorial Track is a way to remember and honour the men ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Independent ferry service advisory group in place
    Appointments to the Ministerial Advisory Group tasked with providing independent advice and assurance on the future of KiwiRail’s inter-island ferry service have been made, State Owned Enterprises Minister Paul Goldsmith says. “It’s important for New Zealand that KiwiRail is focused on ensuring safe, resilient, and reliable ferry services over the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Joint statement from the Prime Ministers of Australia, Canada, and New Zealand
    The Prime Ministers of Australia, Canada and New Zealand today issued the following statement on reports of Israel’s planned military operation in Rafah. We are gravely concerned by indications that Israel is planning a ground offensive into Rafah.   A military operation into Rafah would be catastrophic. About 1.5 million Palestinians ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Govt will deliver on expanded breast screening
    The coalition Government has made the first steps in delivering on its promise to  extend free breast screening to women aged 70-74, Health Minister Shane Reti says. “As part of the 100 day plan, the Government has now met with officials and discussed what is needed in order for the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Government announces woolshed roadshows in support of sheep farmers
    The Government celebrates National Lamb Day (15 February 24) and congratulates sheep farmers on the high-quality products they continue to produce. Agriculture Minister McClay hosted bipartisan celebrations of National Lamb Day with industry representatives at Parliament this week to mark the anniversary of the first frozen lamb exports that left ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Speech: Address to the NZ Economics Forum
    It’s great to be back at the New Zealand Economics Forum. I would like to acknowledge everyone here today for your expertise and contribution, especially the Pro Vice-Chancellor, Head of the Waikato Management School, economists, students and experts alike. A year has passed since I was last before you, and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Government tackling high construction costs
    The Government is focused on reducing sky-high construction costs to make it more affordable to build a home, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says.  Stats NZ data shows the cost of building a house has increased by 41 per cent since 2019, making housing even more unaffordable for Kiwi ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Labour’s Three Waters legislation repealed
    The Coalition Government’s legislative plan to address longstanding issues with local water infrastructure and service delivery took an important step today, with the repeal of Labour’s divisive and unpopular Three Waters legislation, Local Government Minister Simeon Brown says. “Repealing this legislation is a necessary first step in implementing our Local ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Cost of living support for beneficiary households
    The Coalition Government is delivering on its commitment to ease the cost-of-living by increasing main benefit rates in line with inflation and ensuring the Minimum Family Tax Credit threshold remains aligned with this change, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. The Social Security (Benefits Adjustment) and Income Tax ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Government announces agriculture delegations to better support Primary sector
    The coalition Government has announced ministerial delegations to support key areas across the Primary sector to deliver for New Zealand’s food and fibre sector, Agriculture Minister Todd McClay announced today. “I will be supported in my roles as Minister of Agriculture, Trade, Forestry and Hunting and Fishing, by three Associate ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Waikato MoU reinforces Govt’s commitment to increase NZ doctors
    The Government has taken an important step forward in addressing a critical shortage of New Zealand-trained doctors, with today’s signing of a Memorandum of Understanding for a third medical school, Minister of Health Dr Shane Reti has announced.  “Today’s signing by the Ministry of Health and the University of Waikato ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Speech – Lunar New Year 2024
    Annyeonghaseyo, greetings and welcome all. It is my pleasure as the Minister for Ethnic Communities to welcome you to the first Lunar New Year Event in Parliament. Thank you to our emcees for greeting us in the different languages that represent the many cultures that celebrate the Lunar New Year. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • More funding to Hawke’s Bay and Tairāwhiti
    Urgent work to clean-up cyclone-affected regions will continue, thanks to a $63 million boost from the Government for sediment and debris removal in Hawke’s Bay and Tairāwhiti.                                                                                                   The funding will help local councils continue urgent work removing and disposing of sediment and debris left from Cyclone Gabrielle.   “This additional ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Budget will be delivered on 30 May
    Plans to deliver tax relief to hard-working New Zealanders, rebuild business confidence and restore the Crown’s finances to order will be unveiled on 30 May, Finance Minister Nicola Willis says. The plans will be announced in the Budget which is currently being developed by Ministers.  “The last government’s mismanagement of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Government advances Local Water Done Well
    The Coalition Government is continuing work to restore council ownership and control of water assets by repealing Three Waters and appointing a Technical Advisory Group to provide expert advice on the implementation of Local Water Done Well, Local Government Minister Simeon Brown says. “The Government will pass a bill to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Minister congratulates NZQA Top Scholars
    Education Minister Erica Stanford congratulates the New Zealand Scholarship recipients from 2023 announced today.  “Receiving a New Zealand Scholarship is a fantastic achievement and is a testament to the hard work and dedication the recipients have put in throughout the year,” says Ms Stanford.  “New Zealand Scholarship tests not only ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • New diplomatic appointments
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters has today announced five new diplomatic appointments.  "Strong and effective diplomacy to protect and advance our interests in the world is needed now more than ever," Mr Peters says.  “We are delighted to appoint senior diplomats from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade to these ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Speech to the Committee for Auckland
    It is great to be here today at this event as Minister for Auckland and Minister ofTransport. Let me start by acknowledging each one of you and thanking the Committee forAuckland for hosting this event and inviting me to speak here today. The Committee for Auckland has been a symbol ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Getting Transport Back on Track in Auckland
    Transport Minister Simeon Brown has today confirmed his high-level transport priorities for Auckland, in the lead up to releasing the draft Government Policy Statement on Land Transport. “Our economic growth and productivity are underpinned by a transport network that enables people and freight to move around safely and efficiently. At ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Government to axe Auckland Regional Fuel Tax
    Transport Minister Simeon Brown has confirmed that the Auckland Regional Fuel Tax will end on 30 June 2024. “Today, I can confirm that the Government has agreed to remove the Auckland Regional Fuel Tax in line with our coalition commitments, and legislation will be introduced to parliament to repeal the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Minister Calls for Work to Tackle Kina Barrens
    Changes to fishing rules and a significant science programme are being undertaken to address kina barrens, says Minister for Oceans and Fisheries Shane Jones. “There has been tremendous interest from iwi, communities and recreational fishers who had raised concerns about such kina infestations being a major threat to Northland’s marine ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
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