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Weapons of mass distraction

Written By: - Date published: 6:32 pm, April 15th, 2013 - 111 comments
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I knew John Key was getting desperate, but really? Weapons of Mass Destruction? How stupid does he think we are?

Key’s claim that New Zealand websites have been hacked by terrorists looking for the secrets of WMDs is such an obvious beat-up that even Hillary Barry felt compelled to question whether Key was serious in her live cross to Paddy Gower.

Let me be clear, I have no doubt that there has been some incidental computer hacking stuff going on but frankly I think Key is lying about the gravity of the situation to distract from the rolling fiasco that his Prime Ministership has become. And given his form on leaving important stuff out I don’t think he should be given the benefit of the doubt.

I have to say though, I have a sneaking admiration for the shear gall he’s shown in trying to recycle the most notorious lie of the twenty-first century. I guess it’s like they say – if you’re gonna lie. Lie big.

111 comments on “Weapons of mass distraction ”

  1. ianmac 1

    For we ordinary folk the threat from Weapons of Mass Destruction sounds real scary so just as well that nice Mr Key is there to protect us. I mean who would want a big mushroom cloud messing up our town. And all that Labour Party can do is ask for an Enquiry and waste time talking and talking. We need action now! Go for it John Key.
    (Warning: sarcasm!)

  2. karol 2

    This intrusions line must have been on Key’s agenda for a while. Fletcher’s speech last month in Hamilton included mentions of cyber-intrusions. The speech was aimed at business.

    The WMD might have been a last minute panic exaggeration, now Key is on the back foot.

    • ghostrider888 2.1

      yep. only had the “politicking” line to roll out on te News, along with “all the measures Labour wanted to introduce” re #

    • Anne 2.2

      This intrusions line must have been on Key’s agenda for a while.

      I say it goes right back to before he officially appointed Fletcher to head the GCSB. Hence the reason for circumventing the proper process with such appointments.

      Note how it’s all about the supposed shambles at the GCSB – and Superman Key has stepped in to sort it out – and not about his despicable lying and cheating.

      Come on Kim Dotcom… if you know something spit it now!

    • outofbed 2.3

      Hold on, if If there is now a terrorist threat why would you put Fletcher a civilian in charge of th GCSB.
      Surely you would want someone with a defense force background.
      I call Bullshit!!!

      • TruthSeeker 2.3.1

        “Come on Kim Dotcom… if you know something spit it now!”

        Absolutely.

        Outofbed, what happened to those “secret meetings” in October 2011 that they couldn’t keep a lid on?

  3. ghostwhowalksnz 3

    Very good research on and definition and origin of the terms Weapons of Mass Destruction from National Defense University , US.

    http://www.ndu.edu/press/lib/pdf/CSWMD-OccasionalPapers/CSWMD_OccationalPaper-8.pdf

  4. Pascal's bookie 4

    Not really sure how foreign terrorists hacking us to look for WMDs means we need to spy on kiwis but.

    • karol 4.1

      Key said:

      “There are people within our country who have links to offshore terrorist groups,” the prime minister said.

      That included cyber attacks and covert attempts to use science and technology for projects involving weapons of mass destruction, Key said.

      “I cannot tell New Zealanders everything our intelligence agencies are doing, or what the details of their operations are,” he said.

      As quoted in the Stuff article.

      I guess we’ve just got to take Key’s word for it.

      • marty mars 4.1.1

        I wonder which ethnic group/s will get the blame for ‘having links’ with terrorists.

        • Pascal's bookie 4.1.1.1

          Irish. To be fair, I wouldn’t trust me either.

        • frances louis 4.1.1.2

          The Muslims, they always used by Protestant America, to take the blame.

        • Well Mighty.M/There is an old saying regarding a USA assassinations It’s the one time the Synagogues are full .”Please God don’t let it be a Jew”

          I would presume the same thing now applies to the Muslims .The red necks will be out in force .
          How they will cope if its some Right-Wing group will be interesting..

    • felix 4.2

      Jesus man what’s wrong with you, didn’t you hear what he said? TERRORISTS!!!

    • AmaKiwi 4.3

      The plot was to strap biological weapons to Hector dolphins, who are resident in NZ territorial waters.

  5. prism 5

    Perhaps the Korean Peninsula will provide the distractions from our badly run, empty policy damned country? Sort of like the Falklands did for Thatcher.

  6. Rhinocrates 6

    Great. Now I can expect those defenders of freedom, Labour, to respond thus: Robertson will issue fourteen press releases that no-one will read raising an objection about an umlaut in paragraph fourteen, no a comma in three, ah, maybe a hyphen in number twelve, Trevor Mallard will post a boob joke on his facebook page, Goff will think “Cool…” and then, feeling neglected, Shearer will struggle out of his straitjacket, take a deep breath and intone mightily:

    “As someone said, possibly someone… it might have been me. It probably was, I mean me, friends, Romans, countrymen, I come not to…. um… where’s my bit of paper? Oh… here it is… I mean… Eggs. Cheese. Milk… Two loaves of bread (white, sliced)… I have, I agree, Weapons of Mass Destruction…. Mass has been destroyed in this country, and I… um, well, yes, the destruction of mass might affect gravity. The earth is losing mass and there should be an enquiry, so, um, yes, to be reasonable…. um, I think that I might indeed, and I mean to hold the government to account on this because I’m always holding the government to account. I said that. People are destroying mass and there’s not enough gravity, I mean, Labour, um, I stand for gravity. I mean I have to stand because of gravity. If there wasn’t gravity, I wouldn’t be standing, I’d be floating… um, what I mean is… raspberry jam… peanut butter, toilet paper (triple-ply, scented), I mean Labour, my party – and I’m sure my followers agree, that absolutely, I am a place for weapons of mass destruction, so I must, I mean I might… um, zucchinis, Brut 33, frozen peas, dishwashing liquid… corn flakes… and yes, assertively, I mean, um, Bell tea bags, I think that we should indeed, um, I mean subject to some sort of, um, clover honey, baked beans, allow some sort of expansion of surveillance powers, taking into account the threat of Brasso and this week’s Listener.”

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 6.1

      Laugh all you want. I can reveal that dirty foreigners have accessed the National Party’s website and right now are seeking to copy the government’s education policy, assett sales and economic management program in an effort to export them and destabilise their own countries the way we have this one.

      • Rhinocrates 6.1.1

        Actually, I think it’s the other way around – Key’s copying Thatcher and her vapid successor, Cameron. I’m lambasting Shearer for cravenly failing to oppose that.

        … sorry, did I miss your irony in thinking that you’d missed my irony?

        🙂

        Oh, what a maze of mirrors we have wandered into under this administration!

      • prism 6.1.2

        OneAK
        Did you mean ‘ansett’ sales?

    • prism 6.2

      Rhinocrates
      Something to watch out for – try full gain bread, white is supposed to be like pure calories. Just to help you keep your priorities right.

  7. Bill 7

    So, hang the fuck on a minute…Key is saying that WMD technology is developed in NZ. I’d like to know what that technology is – I mean does it pertain to chemical weapons, biological weapons – what is it? And why?

    • freedom 7.1

      Reality is we have numerous hi-tech companies in NZ who do create specialized componentry for I dare not imagine what or for whom or for how much.

      e.g. These guys sound like they are doing an increasingly private job, good lawyers they have too.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palantir_Technologies

      and just a couple of months ago another kiwi business was in the media for securing a new contract worth tens of millions supplying some boards or something or other to a US tech company. Then there is the cutting edge Bio-Tech stuff we do at various public and not so public locations. In a world where Finance and IP are the most traded weapons of mass destruction on the planet, these threats are more real than we would care to admit.

      Fact is NZ, when it comes to international reputations for being straight shooting peace loving supporters of freedom, ours is not so shiny and has not been for a long time.

      • ghostrider888 7.1.1

        well dug up freedom

      • Bill 7.1.2

        Reality is we have numerous hi-tech companies in NZ who do create specialized componentry for I dare not imagine what or for whom or for how much

        So shouldn’t somebody be bombing them? (edit – Oh, and us by association.) I mean, that’s what teh WoT be all about, no? Or are these guys all guys with pink skin making shit for other guys with pink skin or mates of guys with pink skin? ‘Cause that’d be totally different and legit like.

      • QoT 7.1.3

        Oh my god, they have a product called Palantir Gotham. Can you literally try any harder?

    • KJT 7.2

      Financial WMD, of course! Like the reserve bank act.

    • Murray Olsen 7.3

      Douglas touted Rogernomics all around Eastern Europe and Fonterra milk powder killed a few Chinese babies. Maybe those are the WMDs he means?

    • David H 7.4

      Yep everytime Key opens his mouth it’s a Whinge of Massive Desperation.

  8. Anne 8

    You’re as mean as hell Rhinocrates but so clever and funny with it. Thanks for the much needed laughs. 😀

    • Red Rosa 8.1

      +1

    • Rhinocrates 8.2

      Really, I’ve got to laugh, otherwise I’ll never stop crying. An utterly awful, corrupt government and the so-called major opposition party that won’t even oppose. The Prozac isn’t enough.

      • freedom 8.2.1

        ” The Prozac isn’t enough.” (even if it was said in jest) don’t rely on the pretty candies Rhinocrates. IMHO always talk honestly and directly with any doctor prescribing medication that alters your brain chemistry.

        SSRI’s and the ever growing busloads of pharma friends they have invited do not help you get better, they just help the symptoms to be masked, primarily for the comfort and the benefit of others. Look at it this way, if the meds stopped being dispensed, for whatever reason, would you be able to say it does not matter and you know enough about how to stay well without their help? SSRI’s might be clever pharma, but they are tourists at a carnival. And when the tourists go home, you are left with one hell of a mess to sort out.

        tourists never stay to clean up a carnival, that’s what friends are for

        • Anne 8.2.1.1

          It was said as part of the humorous take on the matter freedom. I’m sure there was no intention to be flippant about a serious problem. Lighten up a little…

        • Rhinocrates 8.2.1.2

          Thanks for your sincere concern, Freedom, I do appreciate it – but don’t worry, that was a bit ironic… All the best.

  9. Tim 9

    Expect Puller to dream up something very soon – but I think she’s probably running low on ideas

  10. gobsmacked 10

    Helen Clark had nine years to deal with the WMDs hidden inside New Zealand websites and what did she do about them? NOTHING!!11!!!

    Thank goodness John Key is here to protect us – I mean, to protect the people who spy on us. If I hadn’t done anything wrong then I wouldn’t be getting spied on, would I? So logically, I must have WMDs. Arrest me now!

    *waves to spies visiting the Standard*

    • karol 10.1

      These terr-ist are bloody clever with their computer stuff. They probably have devised 3-D printers, that automatically download info sent to them. The printers will then create WMDs right at your physical address.

      PS: reply to outofbed below.

  11. outofbed 11

    Hold on, if If there is now a terrorist threat why would you put Fletcher a civilian in charge of th GCSB.
    Surely you would want someone with a defense force background.
    I call Bullshit!!!

  12. One Anonymous Knucklehead 12

    This is ridiculous.

    OK, so the SIS and police need the ability to read some emails. Here’s how you do it. A GCSB staff member is seconded to the appropriate department for the duration of the operation. Paid through their pay-roll, officially their employee.

    Job done, surveillance achieved whilst remaining within the law (which can remain unchanged) and no warrantless surveillance. Separation of powers maintained.

    • Tim 12.1

      well ekshly, it’s easier than that, and doesn’t need that fullsome expertise of the Joy Soy Ess Boy.
      We’re being fed a crcok.
      Never mind – If KdC doesn’t blow their shit out of the water, someone else will before too long.

  13. Steve 13

    I’m not sure Mr Key is remembering this right. And if anyone is really hoodwinked by his constant BS, including today’s howler – predictably lapped up by MSM – then I fear for the future of our brilliant country.

  14. emergency mike 14

    Dear John, using ‘terrorism’ and WMDs to rip up your citizen’s civil rights is so last decade.

    Seriously, did anyone else get a major GW Bush flashback watching Key deliver that statement? This speaks to the blithe arrogance of the man, that he can pull this one out after the way the very same line was used as propaganda in the US.

    It also speaks to his desperation, he must be truly worried about this whole mess to pull this card out.

    • felix 14.1

      Yep, and next he gets Coleman to stand in front of an aerial photo and point with a stick at blurry rectangles.

      • emergency mike 14.1.1

        You have to admit though, they were quite troublingly rectangular.

        I wonder who Key would get to point at blurry rectangles?

        Brownlee: “These are terrorist camps. I’ll punch anyone that says different.”

        Bennett: “Yes and we also believe that some beneficiaries are hiding out in these buildings, we need to drug test them ASAP.”

        Parata: “After we close down what are clearly rectangular chemical weapons labs, we will close all schools in New Zealand and relocate all pupils to this area. Actually we are not closing any schools. But we will merge most of them. I’m just about to email the schools that will close. Most schools will be closed.”

        Banks: “Look, these terrorists are brown skinned people who want to burglarise your house looking for Sudafed. Maybe the Green Party is ok with that but I’m not going to put up with it.”

        John Key: “Ackshully, the reality is, at the end of the day, and I’m being honest and up front here, this is is absolutely evidence of a photo. Labour can’t deny that, as much as they try. Besides, Helen Clarke did it too. David Shearer’s hidden bank accounts.”

    • karol 14.2

      So last decade/

      Well that’s what happens when Key hires an ex-Alexander Turnbull pvte secretary to run the GCSB.

      He probably has the Iraq misinformation dossier saved on a hard drive somewhere.

      • emergency mike 14.2.1

        Yes good one Karol.

        Fletcher: “Hey John, do you care about your credibility or your legacy?”

        Key: “Of course not, once I sell everything off I’m outski. Why?”

        Fletcher: “Terrorists and WMDs. It worked for Bush and Blair.”

        Key: “Those guys are my heros…”

        Fletcher: “Bingo.”

  15. Rodel 15

    Jeesus John! .WMPs… or in the revision of Tony Blair WMD ‘programmes’. Is it something to do with 1080?…and I thought John Banks was, and aims at low intellect…Oh No John No John… No

    John… No .That’s so stooooopid. I’d ask Crosby Textor for my money back.. Sh*t in fact can you ask them for MY money back?
    Isn’t is time for Steven and Paula or watsername Collins to implement a coup…….Even for a lefty New Zealander you are becoming embarrassing.

    Oh dear…No… Now I remember..I had a dream that Paula became prime minister. …woke up sweating… Stay there John !

    But seriously John dubja do you really think NZers are as thick as Americans..maybe 47% are.
    I hope its not Romney’s 53%.Hey anyway I guess its better than channel 15!

    Dear God I wish we had a Jon Stewart… we have enough poltico wingnuts to keep him employed , don’t we?

  16. Kevin Welsh 16

    Surely, finally, even the most dyed-in-the-wool National supporter is going ‘what the fuck?”

    • Pascal's bookie 16.1

      *laugh* Turn it up.

      You watch. By ten am tomorrow at the latest they’ll be popping up here saying that anyone who doesn’t support rewarding the GCSB for their transgressions hates NZ and loves the terrorists and blah blah freedom isn’t free and you can spy on my shit because nothing to fear nothing to hide but you’ll never take my Freeeeedom because I AM SPARTA and wolverines! and you can take my showerhead from my cold dead hands or some shit I don’t know.

    • Murray Olsen 16.2

      I think you are misoverestimating the intelligence and credulity if the average National supporter, let alone dyed in the wool Tories. As sure as most imports come from overseas, enough of them will swallow it.

      • Colonial Viper 16.2.1

        Nah, a fair number of old school Tories will see through this clumsy distraction easily. They still won’t vote for Labour though.

        • Don't worry be happy 16.2.1.1

          Good Lord CV Labour supporters don’t vote Labour! That’s the problem…..

          • Colonial Viper 16.2.1.1.1

            There’s that, but that’s partially a result of Labour being uninterested in the Labour non-vote. Instead, the real chase and effort is for ‘the middle’ and for ‘soft National’ voters.

      • Colonial Viper 16.2.2

        Also National vs Labour vs Left supporters – it’s not so much a matter of intelligence, it’s a matter of world view, values, and also elements of tribal/clan identity.

  17. ghostrider888 17

    wait, John, i’m picking up a communique, Mars Needs Women, angry red women,
    Hijack what you’re wanting
    Not afraid to use it
    Strip and abuse it
    New Gods a moving
    Miracles are losing…

    *thigh

  18. Pascal's bookie 18

    Here’s this stuff on the SIS page see:

    http://t.co/Z3QQMkYDmA

    link on there, SIS report about WMD.

    notice anything?

    Looks like the Terrorists have stolen it already :0

    aiieee, run fer the hills

  19. Tim 19

    A mate of mine and I once considered doing a risk analysis of Wellington’s “infrastructure” a few years ago.
    You know, like pointing out just how vulnerable Datacom was to loss of communications or severe degradation – let alone gubbamint departments; the Brooklyn substation; Wellington Airport, etc.

    Then we thought …… nah fuck it! Some consultant will come along charge a few hundred grand to point out the bleeding obvious.

    Though there have been one or two improvements since we had that idea (like Datacom shoving its fibre in metal conduit), not a lot has changed (walk 100 metres down the raod, and pretty much the same shit could be achieved).

    Just as well we aren’t terrorists. A roll of number 8, mal-intent, a wintery night and it could STILL all turn to custard.
    Weapons of Mass Distraction ffs!

    It reminds me of that Jeremy Paxman Empire series recently screened. They survive and replicate themselves on the basis of bluff, weaponry and the knowledge there is a compliant public. The latter of course is the Key – pardon the pun.
    When you oppress an increasing number, that compliance can’t last, and I’ve no doubt it won’t

  20. Dan1 20

    I was fascinated the way he read the announcement about the weapons of mass destruction. It was as if he was reading a script at rehearsal for a Monty Python show.

    Maybe it was?!

  21. North 21

    My God – Maxwell Smart returns.

    Chief, check that man’s shoes !

    Agent 99 – Hek Yeh Parasite ?

    Nah. 99 was cool.

    She knew Max was a fuckwit.

  22. outofbed 22

    Are you fed up with the local political machine? Are you tired of going to the same boring job every day? Is school getting you down? If you are suffering from any of these afflictions, this is for you!

    Making a thermonuclear device is quite simple. It can be done on a lazy summer weekend when there isn’t much on television anyway…

  23. BLiP 24

    John Key: What are we going to tell them?

    Ian Fletcher: Ummm . . .

    John Key: C’mon, mate, you gotta have some idea.

    Ian Fletcher: Well, last time I was involved in this sort of thing it was all about WMD.

    John Key: Brilliant. Lets do that then.

    Ian Fletcher: Sounds good to me, mate.

    (EDIT: Emergency Mike beat me to it. Note to self: read all the comments before adding 2 cents)

    • ghostrider888 24.1

      your “2 Cents” appreciated beyond face value. au revoir and moore BLiP

    • David H 24.2

      “Ian Fletcher: Well, last time I was involved in this sort of thing it was all about WMD”

      So in other words, he is one of the ones that knew that the reason for invading Iraq was a fallacy?

      • BLiP 24.2.1

        Yes.

        . . . Documents released in the inquiry into the Iraq war show Mr Fletcher was privy to “extremely sensitive” and secret documents forecasting the march to war.

        Mr Fletcher saw early military planning and advice stating “US military planning is in full swing” in July 2002 – eight months before the invasion began and before Britain had committed to join the attack.

        Sir Andrew’s tenure ended in 2005, as did Mr Fletcher’s role. Sir Andrew later revealed Britain had gone to war on legal advice which was one page long – and substantially different to advice which had been given 10 days earlier . . .

  24. outofbed 25

    You couldn’t make this shit up
    Yet they have
    But it sort of makes sense
    So Key is caught out lying, people are starting to suspect
    Why not come out with the biggest fucking whopper one can
    Safety of NZ wmd blah blah
    I would not possibly lie over this
    And I can’t be proved to be a lie cos its oh so secret

    Fucking ballsy move if you ask me
    It should be his undoing
    It probably won’t though
    God, if only we had a strong opposition

  25. peterlepaysan 26

    Who, or where, is Shearer?

    • Colonial Viper 26.1

      Putting out a sharp retort to Key’s stupidity, maybe something along the lines of

      “the PM does the nation a dis-service by casually politicising WMD and using them as a convenient, unverifiable political excuse”

      or, maybe not.

  26. RedBaronCV 27

    WMD could be arriving on this site soon. The Pundit has been down for about 24 hours.

  27. ianmac 28

    We had better have a closer look at why the WMD angle is put in the front of us. These guys in Cabinet are not stupid, much as we like to mock them. The WMD are unprovable but no doubt there is some electronic componentry used in making say a trigger or guidance item. The WMD is almost certainly a ploy to agitate the naysayers and conspiracy folk, like us because we could never disprove the WMD.

    So what can we do instead? All I can think of so far is demand a full Enquiry before a Bill is posed.
    Or ummm….

    • Colonial Viper 28.1

      Same pattern as the USA. Promote the ever present threat of terrorists and terrorist agents right here amongst us, as well as the ongoing shadow of WMD, to institute political cover for the intelligence and surveillance initiatives you want to run against your own people.

    • rosy 28.2

      “These guys in Cabinet are not stupid, much as we like to mock them”

      Maybe not. But they’re not using their own words either. A politician talking to the masses and using words like ‘exfiltrating’? GCSB wrote that little talk for him.

  28. Adrian 29

    I have waited for this day for 4 1/2 years and this is it, he’s finally jumped the shark. To quote the great David Lange, he’s going to be dogtucker.

    • Colonial Viper 29.1

      His political judgement has gone seriously out the window in the last 6 months. Who knows what the fuck is going on, but there have got to be some in his inner circle who are rolling their eyes right now.

      • muzza 29.1.1

        Come on CV – what political judgement did Key ever have, in reality to anyone with an IQ above 60!

        Edit – Make that to anyone who can hear and/or see!

  29. Gruntie 30

    From NZ Herald , 30 May, 2006

    Guidance systems such as JDAM (Joint Direct Attack Munition) – for which Rakon has supplied a key component for the past 10 years – are made as tail kits which are then attached to a bomb.

    In a statement released yesterday Rakon said: “We have not developed or supplied any products or technology for nuclear defence programmes. We have developed products for high shock applications. None of our product is specific to the munitions industry. They can be used by a range of industries from mining to aerospace.”

    [Leaving aside the fact that the JDAM isn’t a WMD, I seriously doubt that terrorists are looking for instructions on how to make the tail kits of smart-dumb bombs. Wouldn’t they need, you know, military aircraft to drop them from first? The more conventional weapons delivery system for these groups is the beat-up old Toyota. Eddie]

  30. Paul Campbell 31

    I suspect Key’s going on about this:

    http://www.interestingprojects.com/cruisemissile/

    don’t follow that link, expect a knock on the door in about an hour …..

    • Bill 31.1

      Pressed the big red button I did. Will report back in an hour – or not. 😉

      • Paul Campbell 31.1.1

        Bill? Bill?

        • Bill 31.1.1.1

          Maybe they’re having difficulty getting their heads around the non-sequential street numbers in these parts? As a good upstanding citizen I’m thinking I should maybe just phone them with directions.

          edit. Nah, won’t bother. Pretty sure they’ll be keeping loose tabs from the two previous occasions…

  31. Pascal's bookie 32

    Remember when Key pulled the SAS home for the Rubber Wool Cup?

    The ‘WMD’ the ‘Terrorists’ were trying steal was clearly the ABs lineout codes.

  32. Descendant Of Sssmith 33

    The national party is a weapon of mass destruction – it’s only logical to protect yourself.

    They have certainly destroyed a lot of this country since they have been in govt and look set to continue.

    Labour is a weapon of self-destruction.

  33. irascible 34

    Perhaps the GCSB is to be allowed to spy on the real weapons of mass destruction – KeY, Brownlee, English & Ryall whose arms are deep into the destruction of the NZ economy and asset base.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 34.1

      If they are to focus more on economic crimes I have been wondering what the potential consequences are for the National Party.

      I would like to see more aggressive oversight of political donations, for example, but the appropriate authorities are the SFO and the police, not the GCSB.

  34. One Anonymous Knucklehead 35

    Key is playing at being President of the USA. He’s already had his “I am not a crook” moment, and his brain fades mimic Reagan. Now he’s George W Bush.

  35. SpaceMonkey 36

    National’s 2014 election campaign slogan: “You’re either with us or against us!”

  36. remo 37

    George ‘WMD’ Key. Monkeysee. Monkeydoo. A Freedom-For-Security program.
    Imagine waking up to a prime minister seriously contending neocon WMD mantra for breakfast serial BS after all we have learned. oops…thats just happened. The Failure of Imagination. WMD/Iraq – over a million dead. Afghanistan hundreds more children and thousands of their parents laid out on alter of WMD imperatives already proven to have been built on the lies of 9 sorry..11 (years), but no jail for those illegalities; infact Bush/Blair etal making GOOD money out of their parts, and advantaging the security superstate.
    GCSB Law change is a tactical imperative. NSA USA – Whaihopi is NSA. Security superstate. Are we REALLY expected to think ‘oversight’ is going to grow any independence of THAT ownership model? Sure, John.
    Instead we get ‘law change’. Likened to ‘regime change’.
    Years of illegal intercepts practiced and proven, and we get ‘law change’ without due process. Where was the ‘oversight’ there, John? Bye bye democracy. Dotcom reported suing for property return rather than further confrontation with deep-state, so no breath holding for truth fatwah.

  37. Chris 38

    I have never thought that john key was funny until now.And not in a good way.

  38. JonL 39

    “How stupid does he think we are?” – he knows how stupid most of us are! That’s why he keeps coming out with this garbage! The 65% who obey and respond to perceived authority will buy it, even if they have misgivings……..
    and that’s all he needs……..

  39. Sonny 40

    This is obviously Leftist green Balderdash. Keep truckin John. Let the Polls decide.

  40. AC 41

    The only weapon off mass destruction is Gerry’s arse letting wind in a confined space.

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