Who will Bill English attack next?

Written By: - Date published: 8:22 am, March 9th, 2017 - 38 comments
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As we know English has been letting rip with the insults, calling Kiwi workers pretty damned hopeless, and claiming they are too drugged to get jobs. Voters – who needs them!

Now other political parties are getting the same treatment. Super reaction shows ‘brittle, backward-looking’ mindset: English. Opposition parties ‘talking nonsense’ about superannuation – PM. Coalition partners – who needs them!

Perhaps English doesn’t want to be in government any more? Or is he just losing it completely?

38 comments on “Who will Bill English attack next?”

  1. esoteric pineapples 1

    Bill English has always insulted other political parties. He’s said some particularly unpleasant things about the Greens.

    • Antoine 1.1

      Despite the outrage, it’s not actually that unusual for opposing political parties to criticise each other.

      A.

      • It is however very unusual for the government not to be quite careful about implying criticism of their support partners, and National is literally the only party advocating raising the super age.

      • One Anonymous Bloke 1.1.2

        “outrage”

        It looks a lot more like observation than outrage. Personally, I’m overjoyed that Bill English cannot control his antisocial sadistic tendencies.

        Trash will out.

  2. National’s strategy of attacking as a matter of course, rather than in response to anything in particular, is a chosen method for belittling, pun intended, anyone and everyone on the “other” team. The Left doesn’t do it in the way the Right does, and always seems bemused by the strategy. Bill English has long indulged in gratuitous attacks, on and off “field”. It’s as natural as breathing to him and his mates, Key, Joyce et al.

    • Draco T Bastard 2.1

      +1

      It’s pretty much part of the mindset of National to belittle everyone else to make themselves feel better about themselves.

      • I notice it most when National supporting farmers talk about environmentalists. Hard core disdain.

      • True DTB, Also a big part of the mind set of many of my fellow kiwi voters I’m afraid, -especially males. Have friends who are vocally green leaning but will turn on a dime, and slam tables, at some outrageous sounding druggie statement, unemployed rabble etc. And that outburst can occur on their way to the voting booth. Very fragile indeed. Tories feed this line constantly. “Bash em bro “.

      • srylands 2.1.3

        Says someone who belittles anyone who disagrees with him

        • Draco T Bastard 2.1.3.1

          No I don’t.

          I call idiots like you morons when your logic fails and the facts prove you wrong.

          It’s got nothing to do with people disagreeing with me but people disagreeing with reality. Such people are delusional idiots.

          • Red 2.1.3.1.1

            So says DTB a faithful cultist of a discredited 19th century ideology by a some whacked out German and his champaign socialist keeper

      • WILD KATIPO 2.1.4

        WE can see the true viciousness of English as opposed to Key … we can also see the real ideologue behind the current National party in one ‘ Double Dipper from Dipton ‘…

        Key would appear in retrospect to have been the temporary hired gun to carry out and schmooze the populace – but it was always English the ideologue behind the scenes pulling the strings.

        English must be politically destroyed.

        And that CAN occur this coming general election. It happened once before with the unpopular lying neo liberal schmuck and it can / will happen again.

        Just give English enough rope and he will do the job himself and save us the bother.

  3. Wensleydale 3

    He’s reasonably careful about who he pours scorn upon though, for the most part. Young people, the unemployed, opposition parties and those who routinely vote for them, beneficiaries, environmentalists… basically no one who votes for National.

    His philosophy seems to be, “Well, if you’re not going to vote National anyway, fuck you.” Poor people are poor because they’re lazy and make bad choices. The unemployed are jobless because they’re all feckless junkies. Young people need to stop having a cry about the housing crisis (Crisis? Honestly, I think you’re being a little melodramatic young man!), and just knuckle down and save. You’re going to need to save, young people, because there’ll be no retirement for you! Your skeletal remains will be propped up behind the counter at Burger King, where you’ll have expired after a lifetime of grinding servitude for paltry return. Brighter future! Boo-ya!

    • Sorrwerdna 3.1

      so true Wensleydale -are you sure its not your philosophy…………
      “Poor people are poor because they’re lazy and make bad choices. The unemployed are jobless because they’re all feckless junkies. Young people need to stop having a cry about the housing crisis (Crisis? Honestly, I think you’re being a little melodramatic young man!), and just knuckle down and save. You’re going to need to save, young people, because there’ll be no retirement for you”

      • Wensleydale 3.1.1

        If it were my philosophy, I’d probably feel compelled to hurl myself into the crater of an active volcano.

  4. fisiani 4

    i love the hyperbole in the post. It follows a pattern. 2 4 6 8 Panic and Exaggerate!
    Bill English has never written off Kiwi workers or said that they were too drugged to get a job. He has reported being told this by employers. You really must try harder. Stop crying wolf.

    • tc 4.1

      Yes dear

    • ” He has reported being told this by employers”

      I smell weasel!

    • Draco T Bastard 4.3

      That would be you projecting your own personality upon others again.

    • Tiger Mountain 4.4

      yes fizzyanus he has said those things; and a number of workers that are already subject to random workplace drug testing do not like what he inferred as he tried to justify high immigration levels

      several sets of data over a number of years show the opposite to Blinglish’s anecdotes

    • mac1 4.5

      He was reported as saying this, BUT English was using the word of Kiwi employers as evidence for his own assertions.

      There is a difference between saying that employers have told me that NZ workers have a problem with drug usage, and saying that NZ workers have a drug problem and part of my evidence is what employers tell me.

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/national/health/89971602/Drug-use-common-addiction-real-Prime-Minister-Bill-English-says

      In the above article, English is quoted, and shown saying it as well in the third paragraph below.
      “Drug use is common in New Zealand and addiction is a real problem, Prime Minister Bill English says.

      Employers complaining about Kiwis not passing drug tests was one example of drug prevalence, English said.

      “This is one way we know there is widespread, or there is a reasonable amount of, drug use among young people, apparently,”

    • ‘WHICH ‘ ….. set of employers’ exactly ?

      Those drawn from the ranks of the NZ Institute?

      And if so,… we can safely relegate THAT particular biased employers union lobbyist group as having vested interests in insuring that the puerile and all too obviously engineered response of the Double Dipper serve THEIR interests – and NOT the interests of their fellow New Zealanders.

      Thus,… what do you call anyone working against the best interests of their own countrymen and women , fisiani ?…

      I think we all know the answer to that, don’t we now, my wee Laddie…

  5. keepcalmcarryon 5

    Go easy on Bill eh fisiani, he’s a man of principle as the media tells us. To be admired.
    He’s just telling it like it is.
    He holds firm to his small government agenda and is a true champion of private enterprise and not using the public purse.
    Unless of course hes double dipping in the public trough to pay for his own accomodation.

  6. SpaceMonkey 6

    He just doesn’t have the gravitas, wit (like Lange) or popularity (like Key) to be able to pull it off. He just comes across as a nasty dickhead.

    • tc 6.1

      A nasty dogwhistling dickhead, its calculated to shore up the redneck vote.

      • james 6.1.1

        Thats really funny – just how much of the almost 1/2 of the voting population who vote National are actually rednecks?

        • WILD KATIPO 6.1.1.1

          1/2 ?…

          Hmmm… back to the 5th form for you , me old son…

          You seem to have a problem with stats…

          And perhaps it is, that its less a case of rednecks,… and more a case of people being herded to think of their own survival as a direct result of destructive neo liberal policy /ideology that by its very nature- rely’s on dividing people , demonizing a group and utilizing a privatized media to whip up fear and distrust in the average voter against that group.

          Such as a unionized workforce that campaigns for fair and equitable wages and conditions…

          So just what do we call people who work against the best interests of their fellow country men and women , James?

          I think you , like fisaini … know full well the answer to that.

          Interesting that the death penalty for treason was abolished in 1989… a few years after the 4th Labour govt and the Roger Douglas years of Treason.

          ——————————————————————————————————————-

          ‘ The National Party returned to power in 1960, but this time there was dissent within the ranks on the matter. The Minister of Justice Hon JR Hanan was a strong abolitionist as was the Secretary for Justice Dr DL Robson. In 1961, Parliament held a free vote on an amendment to the Crimes Act abolishing the death penalty. With the support of ten government members – including future Prime Minister Robert Muldoon – the amendment was carried 41 to 30. Capital punishment was retained for treason until the Abolition of the Death Penalty Act in 1989.’

          Capital punishment in New Zealand – The death penalty | NZHistory …
          https://nzhistory.govt.nz/culture/the-death-penalty

          • james 6.1.1.1.1

            Wild Katipo.

            I said “almost 1/2 of the voting population” – I can see how that was easily mis-read but I was meaning the population that voted.

            National received 47% of the votes in the 2014 general election. That sunshine, is almost 1/2.

            The rest of your ranting wasn’t with reading.

            • WILD KATIPO 6.1.1.1.1.1

              ‘ That sunshine, is almost 1/2. ‘

              Almost.

              47%

              Almost.

              Which makes your hopeful exaggerations just that – exaggerations.

  7. AB 7

    If you are going to justify in your mind the levels of inequality that are have been re-emerging since 1980 (with the destruction of the brief post-war consensus), then you have to believe some frankly loony things about humanity. (Though a few years in Treasury and a smidgeon of puritanical religion do make that a bit easier)

  8. Herodotus 8

    Has anyone else out there thought that by bringing retirement back into the political agenda was a conscious one by national, by lighting the fuse and watch the fireworks.
    I say this that National has delivered a nothing change, but now all other parties are now brought into what they would do, by proposing more radical changes such as bringing forward the increase in the age of qualification or attacking what qualification immigrants need to meet, as Nats sit back and watch opposition parties potentially self destruct.

    • rod 8.1

      I take it you are a National voter then.

    • Red 8.2

      A Good point Herodotus with some merit, Labour will get tired in knots over this, labour current response people don’t want it hence change of mind but now open to charges of populism and not standing behind what is right Also makes me laugh a bit when they fall back on the Cullen fund as the way to go re investing in the share market, the rich mans ponzi pool, the pinnacle of capitalism, the hypocrisy and contradictions are so bad it’s laughable

    • NZJester 8.3

      They brought the house in on themselves with that one. It puts a spotlight on their shortsightedness of stopping contributions towards a measure put in by Labour to shore up the retirement fund.
      National are always about the now and selling off New Zealand a piece at a time for a big kickback once they leave office and screw the country as they will be sitting pretty.

  9. Michael 9

    Labour’s strategists must be hoping English has lost the plot. So must Crusher Collins and her backers. If he has, both cabals will get what they want without having to persuade anyone that they have solutions to the country’s political problems.

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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    2 weeks ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    2 weeks ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago

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