Rob Salmond at Polity has explained the process and the science behind yesterday’s revelation that massive numbers of Auckland houses are being sold to overseas speculators. Both blog posts are worth reading as they explain in detail how the conclusion that speculatory money from China is distorting our domestic housing market is entirely reasonable. The polity posts are covered in more detail on this TS post.
It’s not racism to point out a demonstrable fact. Conflating China with Chinese might be though. One’s a country with a new bourgeoisie who have money to burn, the other’s an ethnicity.
It doesn’t really matter where the housing parasites come from. It’s against our interests whether it’s Asia, Europe or America. We shouldn’t be a country that can be gleefully looted from a distance. We shouldn’t have adverts about us proclaiming that property investors can get New Zealanders to “go to work for you and give you hundreds of dollars a week” in rent.
The advert, played on Singaporean radio station 90.5 Gold, claims Auckland is “an investors’ dream” with no land tax, stamp duty or capital gains tax. And with the clincher that Kiwis will be paying half their week’s wages into an investor’s pocket.
Telling a foreign market that Kiwis are stupid? Maybe that’s racist, ae?
I thought it might be worth having a look at the opposition party’s positions on overseas ownership. Most of the info comes from last year’s election material and as far as I know these policies are still in place.
Labour wants to restrict foreign ownership. They say:
New Zealanders have a natural desire to control our own country for the benefit of New Zealanders.
It is the right of New Zealand citizens and permanent residents to purchase and own New Zealand land and assets. Reserving significant New Zealand land and assets for New Zealanders is in the interests of us all.
A major part of our current account deficit is already comprised of interest and dividends paid to overseas investors. New Zealand’s poor savings record means we are reliant on imported capital to fund our current account deficit. Most of this comes via increased lending to home owners, but our deficit is used by some as a misplaced justification for the sale of our productive assets to overseas buyers.
Labour will:
clamp down on the sale of rural land to foreign buyers by limiting the discretion of the Minister to approve sales,
restrict the purchase of residential property by non-residents, so that they will only be granted permission to purchase a residential property if they intend to live here permanently or that purchase adds to our existing housing stock, e.g. building a new house,
not allow infrastructure with monopoly characteristics to be sold to overseas interest.
The Greens say nothing on overseas speculation, but tackle the issue from a different angle:
Reduce speculative investment in the housing market by tightening the rules around loss attributing qualifying companies and introducing a capital gains tax on all but the family home.
Increase peoples ability to save for a deposit and service a mortgage by increasing the minimum wage to no less than 66% of the average wage.
Introduce a Universal Child Benefit that can be capitalised towards the child’s first home.
Increase provision of low interest financing for low-income households seeking home ownership
Shift the standard tenancy conditions towards more secure and predictable tenure arrangements.
NZ First’s speculation policy is similar to Labour’s:
Ensure that New Zealand’s housing stock is restricted to New Zealanders.
Non-residents who are not New Zealand citizens would be ineligible for home ownership except if a genuine need to do so can be demonstrated.
The terms and conditions upon which existing approvals by the Overseas Investment Commission for the ownership of land by non-residents would be fully monitored and enforced.
All three parties recognise that there is a significant problem. Most New Zealand residents cannot afford to buy homes. Increasingly, we are becoming tenants in our own land. Now that’s not an issue in Europe, where tenancy is normal in countries similar to our own. However, in, for example, the Netherlands, social housing is cheap, well maintained and close to public transport. Tenancies are long term and tenants have well defined rights.
That’s not the situation in NZ. Tenants have no certainty, our housing stock is run down, our landlords are mostly speculators, whether domestically or overseas based, and the next generation of urban New Zealanders will have no control over their futures. They will not have access to the many benefits of home ownership.
Something has to change.
Good on NZ Labour for pointing out the bleeding obvious. Good on them for being willing to challenge the neo-lib orthodoxy. The invisible hand of the market won’t sort this out, but the next Government just might.
Anyhoo, on a lighter note, the debate about surnames reminded me of an episode of Seinfeld. George Costanza’s mother is contemplating divorce and takes some advice over the phone from one of Jerry’s girlfriends. Mrs Costanza is convinced the advice is Confucian wisdom and decides against the divorce. Until ….
+100 …Good Post….just a pity Labour did not twig to this and concentrate on this before the last election….they would have WON in coalition with the Greens and NZF !….(and Mana/Int!)
This is something that they should have twigged to when they were last in government. It’s been a concern for that long. Hell, it’s been a concern ever since the 4th Labour government sold out to neo-liberalism.
Chinese cash is flowing like water into Western cities all over the globe and its a problem that needs dealing with. A problem that National have completely failed to handle. A problem that Labour could really get some traction on if they wanted to.
Instead we now have the spectacle of Labour tearing itself apart over pissant and false allegations of racism while it simultaneously helps the Nats build a smokescreen over their gross incompetence.
Something so utterly absurd could only be happening in a country so totally submerged in the toxic brew of socialism.
What is more, when the Auckland property bubble inevitably bursts it will be very very bad and a lot of people are going to suffer. Not just in Auckland but right across the country.
An outcome that will be so immensely damaging it will show current pissant concerns with “racism” to be completely off target.
Where will the buck stop when the Auckland bubble bursts?
Twyford’s started it. He presented the data quite poorly and got bad publicity and a backlash against Labour. And yes, National will try to make the most of it.
But, the racist card is being played te reo putake, like it or not, and the person who played it – is Twyford himself.
He could have talk about, like you have, transnational investors. But, rather, he played the Yellow Peril card. I for one, am sick of this style of politics. How many white Australian investors are there in Auckland, quite a few if my last few land lords are anything to go by. English, American, Irish? But, no it comes back to simple blaming the Asians again. This is simply the politics of divide and rule.
The issue is housing for people. And I agree the market can’t organise a do, in a brewery, over this issue. But to use race, ethnicity or any other power differential the elites love to slam working people with to score points. It is just Tory politics with a smile, and I find it repulsive.
IMO he went out of his way to emphasise the Chinese angle, and had many opportunities to moderate it and focus on the generic ‘foreign investor’ but didn’t take them.
I don’t know how he could do it without being specific, adam. If he just said “transnational investors” and the evidence provided showed it was likely to be primarily Chinese, that would pretty much be a dog whistle. It’s uncomfortable, but it’s not racist to deal in the facts. And it’s quite literally the fact of the matter. Right now, the middle and upper classes of China are investing heavily in property world wide. We’re mugs for not having any significant regulation to moderate the downsides of such investment.
I don’t know how he could do it without being specific, adam.
Easy, are house purchases in Auckland financed by illicit cash outflow and if so, is housing affordability compromised by illicit cash looking for a home?.
But the facts, as I see them is transnational investors have been buying up property in Auckland and the rest of Aotearoa for quite some time. The facts, as I see them, is the Chinese are latest in a long list of transnational investors. The facts, as I see them, is that were not talking about those other transnational investors – we’re squarely transfixed on Asian buyers. See the problem I have?
We bemoaning Chinese capital, but not the rest of the capitalist scum. I like your post te reo putake, and agree we have a problem of Tenancy in our own land. But to point the finger at this last group of investors and go – look it’s the Asians fault – is just racism, plus it reeks of the politics of divide and rule.
‘Noble’ defense of the indefensible by some who arguably overly identify with Labour, is going to be oozing around the internet for a wee while.
In the end, I suspect those mounting a defense for Twyford and Labour will satisfy themselves that everyone who recognises and is repulsed by this latest nonsense is racist: that there was no dog-whistle: that Labour and Twyford are being both bold and brave.
I’m not a member of Labour and have never voted for them but it’s plain to see some people here are very excited at the opportunity to shout, “Racist!”.
So; as an exercise, why don’t we just assume that Phil Twyford and Labour ARE racist to the core? We can mentally stick big RACIST stickers on their foreheads and feel satisfied that justice has been done – and then we can go back and look at the issue – which is that the NZ real estate market is being distorted by foreign capital.
Based on this data is seems pretty likely that is, so, now that Phil Twyford has been called out for his devious behaviour does anyone have any ideas about what to about this housing problem?
Feel free to attack me directly Aaron, I asked for solutions – look at my posts across this day.
The only person I’m calling a racist is the twit who should have know better. Quite frankly, no I not happy about calling a so called left wing MP a racist. As a matter of fact, it sickens me – that in the 21st century a labour MP thinks its’ OK to play the race card.
As for solutions – We just take the houses – any empty house we occupy. Stop paying rent, and stop paying mortgages.
But that’s to simple – ask a policy wonk – they will come up a convoluted solution that take years to implement, and won’t work anyway.
I did not play the racism card, your mate Twyford did that already.
1. Yes you did as soon as the limited data available became known you accused someone using that data to highlight the problem of being racist
2. Twyford is not my mate
Not at all. The policy is race neutral and applies to all non residents. Currently because of the huge amounts of surplus money the Chinese banks have the vast majority of the investment is coming from one particular country. But it does not matter who is actually creating the problem the problem must be addressed. And while we are on the subject I would love to see decreased reliance on Australian banks for our mortgages. Pointing this out is no anti Australian.
I don’t have any problem with the policy mickysavage, indeed as far as policy goes labour and the greens is well thought out. And I think I’ve been quite clear I’m not having a go at labour for it’s policy.
What I have a problem with, is people who have rushed to defend an MP who used race, and peoples racism to push an agenda. Especially, when that MP had more than one opportunity to extended the debate and chose not to. It’s not about Chinese’s, Koreans, or Malaysians. It’s about a whole slue of Transnational investment, which keeps us locked down, and fighting amongst each other.
Adam, this just does not help. It was one way to attempt a measure for a long suspected issue. It can appear unsavoury, but you have to put it in context. Do we really have evidence that this MP is a bigot? And in turn those that defend him?
Indeed, look at what he said and how he said it. and what he chose not to say. And the fact is off shore speculation is spread across the globe. But, he chose to stick with Chinese as the target, rather than broaden it out.
It’s a start Adam, and it is the elephant in the room, we have to be honest with ourselves, it is not unreasonable to use Chinese surnames to base a analysis on considering New Zealand’s known demographics.
It’s bloody easy to be offended, not so to work towards telling, or attempt to tell, the truth.
But the facts, as I see them is transnational investors have been buying up property in Auckland and the rest of Aotearoa for quite some time.
Yes, and the “issues of the day” change over time, for many reasons. In the 70’s it was all “dancing cossacks”. Such a concern would be quaint these days. The current housing problem in Auckland was built up over decades of mal-investment into Auckland housing and infrastructure by both the private and public sectors. Similarly, the Auckland housing market concerns truly kicked into high gear 2-3 years ago, when the Australian economy started circling the drain and immigration inflows, largely going to Auckland, picked up.
The facts, as I see them, is that were not talking about those other transnational investors – we’re squarely transfixed on Asian buyers. See the problem I have?
If you have some evidence that shows British people are buying up 40% of houses in Auckland despite making up 9% of the resident population, please present it and we’ll talk about that.
I suspect you’ll have difficulty in getting such evidence, because the government has refused to collect it in any official capacity, and if you were to try and do an ethnicity analysis based on the information the Labour party got leaked, you wouldn’t be able to draw any conclusions, due to the fact that people of European descent with European surnames make up the largest part of the Auckland resident population.
We bemoaning Chinese capital, but not the rest of the capitalist scum. I like your post te reo putake, and agree we have a problem of Tenancy in our own land. But to point the finger at this last group of investors and go – look it’s the Asians fault – is just racism, plus it reeks of the politics of divide and rule.
I agree pointing the finger at only one group is racist. Stating facts about one group – because they’re the only facts that are available – is not in itself racist.
“I agree pointing the finger at only one group is racist. Stating facts about one group – because they’re the only facts that are available – is not in itself racist.”
But the way this has played out is. The MP chose not to widen the debate to all international investors, but chose to stay on target with one community.
“If you have some evidence that shows British people are buying up 40% of houses in Auckland despite making up 9% of the resident population, please present it and we’ll talk about that.”
Again stuck with anecdotal evidence.Most of my friends and me having asked, (very nicely may I add), the real estate agents who are running the property, who actually owns the property. It’s mainly Australians, then English, plus some Irish. This is over moving around a bit and having quite a few landlords and different rental companies.
“Guys, this is not what I meant. Thanks for listening but, to employ an ancient saying of my culture, UR DOING IT RONG. And thank you Keith Ng , for so forcefully explaining many of the reasons why it is wrong, in the manner of a genteel professor tearing your face off and shoving it down your throat in a white-hot stats rage. ”
” Since I stopped being the shouty Asian girl on Public Address, I moved to London, studied quantitative research methodologies, and became better at maths than Keith. So I have stats rage/race rage confusion on a daily basis.”
Even New Zealand First won’t go so far as promoting an end to ALL sales of land to foreigners.
If you don’t live here, there’s zero need for you to own land here. In terms of housing in NZ, New Zealand owes nothing to foreigners, we have no responsibility to look after them at all.
Our government does however have a responsibility to govern in the best interests of New Zealanders.
We need a political party to have the guts to come up with a policy of ZERO land sales to foreigners. Any loopholes will be exploited. No loopholes. No exceptions.
And it wouldn’t actually be hard to do. Simply require a NZ passport, NZ birth certificate or permanent residency stamp in a foreign passport for a sale to go through. Every time. And that would allow NZers who go overseas for however long they like to still own property to come home to.
But for industrial / farm land there could still be cases where foreign ownership, balancing up all considerations, is acceptable. So I support Labour’s policy to make it essentially at the minister’s discretion.
I think commercial investment should be allowed – that been said, farmland should be leasehold only – if at all – preferable for the land ownership to remain in NZ hands with the business usage in a commercial partnership a la China. What’s wrong with that for a useful business venture? – If a commercial potential partners didn’t like those terms you might think that they were more interested capital gains on the land.
Are you promoting a new Left policy to ban all international investment?
After all in many specialist industrial processes the industrial owner has to buy the land in order to build the building being used for the relevant process.
At least even Labour is not that daft. They know a policy of compulsory leasehold is tantamount to saying to international long term investors that New Zealand is closed for business.
Globalisation and neo-liberalism has really benefited most NZers, hasn’t it, Wayne?
Or are you only aware of the nouveau riche in NZ who have gained from the looting of Aotoeroa?
It’d probably work better than private ownership which is now returning to outright plutocracy and feudalism and bringing the inevitable poverty and collapse of society that such systems always bring.
After all in many specialist industrial processes the industrial owner has to buy the land in order to build the building being used for the relevant process.
After all in many specialist industrial processes the industrial owner has to buy the land in order to build the building being used for the relevant process.
That doesn’t mean that the industrial owner needs to be foreign.
At least even Labour is not that daft.
They appear to be as daft as you and National on this one. Foreign ownership and investment is bad for NZ.
They know a policy of compulsory leasehold is tantamount to saying to international long term investors that New Zealand is closed for business.
China uses compulsory leasehold and seems to be doing quite well.
Of course, all we should be open for is trade. Selling off our land and businesses brings us no benefit.
The problem with that is it creates an exception. The simplest, cleanest way (and less bureaucratic way) to solve the problem of foreign ownership is to have NO exceptions. Otherwise the loopholes will be exploited and it won’t work.
If a foreign company must operate here they can lease land. And we don’t need to sell our farm land to foreigners, it just means that the profits flow overseas.
Farm land is about as important as homes to live in. Its land we grow food on to feed ourselves, and land from which we produce products for export.
And at a ministers discretion? I guess you have more faith in our leaders than I. Because I don’t trust them. Not one. There’s too much money in NZ politics, and it’s only getting worse.
Ok, so more regulations and bureaucracy. And for what? So some slanty-eyes can’t own property here? How about South Africans, Yanks, Poms, Indians, Hollywood movie stars and obese internet crooks? Can’t have them buying land.
Nothing in the policy suggests it would just bee targeted at people from China, Kevin. Oh, and just by the way, Kim Dot Com didn’t get permission to buy his mansion – it’s a rental. This doesn’t really matter in terms of the flow of argument, but does perhaps suggest that you should calm down and do just a little bit of research before spewing your bile down the wire.
Shut up Kevin – it’s not like you have to have a government department solely to check IRD and residency or company domicile status – it’s in place already.
I prefer the terms chingalings, yarpies, sepo’s, coonass, and curry munchers. Just personally, as a racist. Oh and fetter Mann for the lard-arse German.
What a load of tosh. On average Auckland properties are not selling for outrageous prices – on average they’re selling for a fair price. What happens is that some run down old hovel sells for a few million for whatever crazy reason and the newspapers put it on the front page as evidence that the property market is out of control. Yes, there are Chinese buyers out there but their influence is far less than what this xenophobic scare job by Labour makes out.
Yeah nah, 10 x income? It’s not New York, or London… Stuff the National History Museum… it’s happening at Motat!
Arse end of the world with these prices? I worry about when one of these buyers comes for a visit and realises Barfoot and Crooksons or Harcrooks advertising was… well, shonkey to say the least.
If this is the start of trying to get the redneck vote has no one in Labour realised that there are far more Asians living and voting in NZ than rednecks. Also no matter how much Labour tries to play the despicable race card they will always be outbid by Winston.
As a Green voter, I’d be pretty pissed off if Labour were playing the race card. All you have to do is convince me that ethnicity has something to do with it.
I’ve never commented here before but this outburst made me so mad I had to say something.
There are two things here and people are missing the point. One is the policy itself. The other is the method of delivery.
The policy of limiting property sales to foreign investors is possibly correct. I would probably vote for it under certain conditions. Not because of racism. But because it takes some pressure off the local housing market.
The method of delivery on the other hand was definitely racists. It used shoddy statistics to rise up anti-Chinese sentiment to push a political policy. Why single them out? Why just push the Chinese mantra?
Seems judging from social media plenty of people have jumped on the racist bandwagon. I’ve seen people talk about their Chinese landlords like they’re scum – but not realize with all these interactions they’re probably New Zealand residents like you or I.
The Labour Party and many on here supported civil rights in recent years. You’ve stood up for the rights of minorities and shamed those who have been bigoted, racist or homophobic. But now people are jumping to Twyford’s defense. They’re justifying the racism. This is disgusting and it makes me glad I quit the Labour Party.
Te Reo Putake, the author, is not the Labour Party.
It doesn’t really matter where the housing parasites come from. It’s against our interests whether it’s Asia, Europe or America. We shouldn’t be a country that can be gleefully looted from a distance.
thanks for your post TRP – you set out the matters correctly. Labour is NOT playing the race card on this matter. Auckland housing prices have gone thru the roof, and most Aucklanders know that the majority players at house auctions are people coming in from China. And it is more than time that the Government acknowledged this and took some real action to prevent it continuing. That is why Labour is bringing this issue to the foreground : to try and get some real action on it.
Agree Jenny Kirk and my thanks also to trp for this post.
I first heard about this issue some two years ago from a real estate agent I knew at a personal level. I concluded this person was a racist. Then I had a brain fart and put my home on the market. Fortunately common sense prevailed and I removed it from the market after only a few weeks. But not before I witnessed with my own eyes what was happening. The only people who showed any real interest were Asian – most from mainland China or Hong Kong and one from Korea. I found them unfriendly and aloof – nothing like the permanent residents from China I had come to know and socialised with on occasion. It dawned on me later they were almost certainly agents or proxies for off-shore clients. That was the point I realised my estate agent friend was right. There was a real problem in Auckland and it was likely to get worse.
I venture to suggest that some of the people shouting racism on this site – and elsewhere – are at the point I was at two years ago.
It’s not a dog whistle CV! That’s when something is implied and we’re left to connect the dots. cf Orewa. At least Twyford had the guts to be specific and show his workings. He has identified a really significant problem that is causing resident New Zealanders to no longer be able to afford to buy a house. That’s not dog whistling, it’s being upfront, even if it’s uncomfortable.
Can you just clarify how he got his info for me please TRP. All I can find is what is in the MSM and have trouble just accepting that.
They are saying that he got a list of buyer names from one real estate company and counted the number of Chinese sounding names and used that to determine the percentage of Chinese buyers.
I know of course that this wouldn’t be the case as that would simply be the most shoddy method of looking at the data as it doesn’t take into account resident NZers whoe have Chinese names. To just assume someone was a Chinese buyer based upon their name would be silly and racist.
There’s a couple of links in the first sentence of the post, crashcart. The second goes into the methodology, but this is how I understand it (bear in mind, I’m not a statistician):
Leaked data shows that a large real estate company has sold 4000 houses in Ak in a 3 month period. 40% went to people with surnames that appear to be ethnic Chinese. The top twenty most common of those names are ethnic Chinese. 10% of Aucklanders have Chinese ethnicity. It follows that either that 10% bought, on average, 4 houses each in that 3 month period or, more likely, the vast majority of those sales were from non resident people with ethnic Chinese surnames.
The methodology seems pretty sound and was externally reviewed, and amended as a result, before the announcement was made.
If I recall my maths correctly, 40% of 4000 is 1600. Now, the 2013 census states that there are 118,230 chinese persons living in the Auckland region. Even if all those properties were being sold to NZ based chinese, that is still only 1 house per 73 Auckland based chinese residents.
This is not to say there isn’t a problem with overseas money pouring in, but making unsound arguments doesn’t help the cause.
You need to finish the equation. Assuming you’re correct so far, 1 in 73 bought a house in that 3 month period. Or, 1 in 18 on a yearly basis. And all from the one real estate firm. Does that sound realistic to you?
I love it how you always come up with some anecdote that strangely perfectly aligns with the labour party spin du jour. It’s so eery how uncannily your experiences always tally with labours needs for support on almost any issue.
Perhaps the answer is to ban all non-Chinese NZers from selling their houses to Chinese buyers – at supposedly inflated prices. Shouldn’t we be blaming the greedy sellers?
I can’t understand how houses are described as unaffordable when they are being snapped up and buyers are lining up.
duh..they are unaffordable for the average ,aspirational employed NZ citizen.Try going to ..say China and becoming an absentee landlord…why..do you think ..they don’t allow it?racism”..or
Actually, they say this in the introduction to their Trade and Foreign Ownership policy,
Ownership of land in Aotearoa/ New Zealand is a privilege that should be for citizens and permanent residents only
We welcome new investment that creates jobs in sustainable enterprises.
We propose that all foreign investment proposals undergo aa National Interest Analysis.
Foreign investment must meet sustainability criteria, and needs to be closely monitored to avoid the expatriation of profits from our productive asset base.
Foreign investment must meet justice and sustainability criteria, and not be merely speculative, or lead to the expatriation of profits from a country’s productive assets, or the alienation of a country’s land from its citizens. Foreign investment in Aotearoa New Zealand has increased dramatically in the last decade. Despite controlling nearly 50% of the sharemarket, foreign investors employ less than one quarter of the labour force, and reinvest in Aotearoa New Zealand less than one quarter of the profits made here.
The Green Party will:
Ensure that international and bilateral agreements put the rights of peoples and governments before those of multinational company investors.
Support stronger controls on foreign investment in New Zealand to minimise the negative effects of speculative and other non-productive foreign investment.
Ensure any overseas investment in New Zealand meets much more stringent conditions in order to be approved by the appropriate government authority and the Minister by:
Reserving land ownership for New Zealand citizens and permanent residents; and
Distinguishing between new investment in sustainable enterprises and the simple purchase of existing businesses and resources with a view to exporting profits when prioritising foreign investment approvals.
Applying the National Interest Analysis required under the Overseas Investment Act to all foreign investment proposals i.e. buildings, businesses, land and marine farms, and where the purchasing entity is 10% or more foreign owned reduce the threshold for scrutiny to 10 million.
Amending the Overseas Investment Act to restrict the sale of high country property to New Zealand citizens or residents who reside in New Zealand for at least 185 days a year for three years before purchase.
Require international businesses with significant operations within New Zealand to:
Establish local subsidiaries that are incorporated within New Zealand, and encourage the development of joint ventures and other mechanisms to create a local ownership stake in activities.
Meet the same conditions for sustainable practises that we expect of New Zealand companies.
Support the international initiative for a charter of responsibilities for overseas investors.
Labour has fucked up on this one, in a dozen small and big ways. I think this will become clear in the polls and in other ways over the next month or two.
Really? How about this “demonstrable fact” – Blacks do worse than whites in intelligence tests. And that is very easily a racist statement in many contexts.
Conflating China with Chinese might be though. One’s a country with a new bourgeoisie who have money to burn, the other’s an ethnicity.
This statement expresses utterly no understanding about the Chinese community, Chinese culture or the Chinese identity. Perhaps its time that Labour bothers to get some Asians into its caucus and its senior party ranks so it has some idea.
And why call this post the “China Crisis”?: if Chinese money flooding into Auckland is a “crisis” then it has been going on for over a decade. And the situation has far more to do with the decisions made by the ruling elite of NZ, and very little to do with the decisions made by the ruling elite of China.
Except that it doesn’t seem to meet the definition of racism, mm. And I haven’t read a decent argument that puts the case that it does, so far. I included a link to the definition in the post hoping that someone would try and do exactly that and it would be great if someone could go beyond ‘the vibe’ or ‘it just is’ to explain why it is racist.
Its not even close to racism. Large groups of right wingers who don’t give a shit for the poor and vulnerable who cant afford houses in Auckland will think that foreign nationals who purchase up Auckland housing stock are deserving, industrious hard workers. These people will actually look up to this group. That’s why it isn’t racism.
In my view, Twyford/Labour are doing this for the people who cant afford housing in Auckland, which is absolutely the right thing for Labour to do.
“Large groups of right wingers who don’t give a shit for the poor and vulnerable who cant afford houses in Auckland will think that foreign nationals who purchase up Auckland housing stock are deserving, industrious hard workers. These people will actually look up to this group. That’s why it isn’t racism.”
If I let you into the world I once lived in, what you’ve just described is a version of the racism that lives there. Unless your description is incomplete.
You know what will enrage victims of racism the most? That the goodwill sometimes extended to them, that the hope they’re “allowed” to dream the pakeha dream and participate in a certain way, well that’s the smiling happy face of racism. Want to test it? Just do something culturally correct (to your culture, or co-incidentally negatively stereotypical) and see. Stereotyping someone as a ne’er do well on one hand, then an industrious go-getter on the other, all because of racial indentity… it’s all racism – just the thinner less-arguable end of the wedge. They aren’t looking up to those people – they’re using them as props in their own ideology, examples of how if even the “natives” can do it (at extreme cost to their own values/ethnicity/identity), it must be true and right. Letting people be people whoever they are, that’s the only neutral position. Thinking better or worse, as measured by an opposing cultural perspective (that perspective as central by right) … racism. It’s not much of a fall from industrious to lazy. Sorry to tell you that. If it’s any consolation, when I found out I used to do it, the result was that my world got colder and smaller – less hopeful. No one likes sudden dips into reality much.
I have called it racism because the call out from Twyford (privileged) identified a group (chinese) based upon their last name (racial profiling) and this group was blamed (othering) for the problems other people (not the identified race/ethnic group) were/are experiencing. They were blamed when the problem is known to have deep, complex, historic and systemic origins (scapegoating).
You’ve become stuck in the detail and have lost sight of the big picture MM. This is a case of very wealthy foreigners buying up Auckland real estate increasing the rental costs and housing costs of Aucklanders. Any half arsed analyst would have drawn the same conclusions from the Barfoot and Thompson data as Twyford did.
Ive experienced racism and I can assure you, this aint it.
I just can’t stand the ineptitude and foolishness of presenting the information in the way it was presented when it didn’t need to be done that way UNLESS it was deliberate, and I can believe that it was, not just because it has worked for some in the past.
How else could it have been done? Is there an issue with Chinese sounding last names buying a disproportionate number of central Auckland residential properties gauged against known Chinese residents/citizens and referenced against Indian, European, etc. last names/resident status.
This really does put the average NZer off left leaning intelligentsia, and that is why it is being marginalised by the media. It’s plain, and open fodder.
Ok Marty, I understand, black and white it is, maybe I should just fall into my usual milky face cheese armpit ice monkey and chingaling routine. You win.
what a load of subjective rubbish!Even Chinese immigrants that are now NZ citizens acknowledge that chinese ‘investors’ are ramping Auckland property prices.Since the GFC ,caused by western financial machinations the Q.E of western nations has lead to the excess of printed’ money seeking hard assets ,as interest rates are almost negative.Couple this with ‘hot money’ and money laundering and you get what we’ve got in the most regulation free property market in the world.The Chinese premier supplied 450 names of chinese fraudsters supposedly active in donating to National,oops I mean resident in NZ…what action has been taken to identify them and hold them to account?
‘chinese ‘investors’ ramping Auckland property prices’ are a symptom of the problem not the cause – getting rid of every fucking single one of them will not FIX the problem – it is systemic, cyclic and caused by GREED, capitalism, western excess and idiotic lifestyles and behaviour. Focusing the issue on these ‘chinese ‘investors’ ramping Auckland property prices’ is an almost guaranteed way to ensure the REAL problems and issues don’t get addressed – why should they when those ‘others’ have caused it all.
The whole “it’s not racism” thing completely obscures the many forms and ways that racism exists and is practiced in NZ, consciously and unconsciously.
Massive missed opportunity for the lefties here to take a step back and learn something from the people in this thread who have politics that are informed directly by their own experiences of race and racism.
So te reo putake do you think Twyford knows that non-Asian transnational investors buy properties across Auckland? And do you think he understands the power dynamics within Aotearoa? Do you also think that he works in a state free form structural and institutionalised, lets say, short comings? Now do you also think the only form of racism is the overt kind – you know the baiting/slurs and outright bigotry we see from the likes of skin heads and the members of rigorous right wing? And finally does MP Twyford hold a position of privileged?
My point, then by your own wiki definition Twyford used his position to play, the race card. Now I’m not say you have, or anyone else has, I’m not saying the labour party has – all I’m saying is Twyford did. He played the card, when he did not have too. It’s also in what he did not say, when he had the chance. He could have change tack, he chose not to.
I’ve had enough, really, if people want to support Twyford – go for it. Just realise, some of us think he’s a racist twit.
He’s lucky he gets to wake up Hwite every day.
My final word on this, as you can only puck so many times in one day.
Saarbo, I am absolutely for the concept that there is hot money from China and other money printing jurisdictions, distorting our housing market esp in AKL.
I am against the clumsy inept dog whistling way Labour has raised the issue.
Fair enough CV, but the Nat’s aren’t concerned about house prices in Auckland/or land prices anywhere for that matter…in fact they are encouraging it. Someone has presented this data to Twyford, its not perfect but it is compelling and unfortunately there is going to be some collateral damage…if it leads to laws against foreign ownership of NZ land…then in my view, its worth it.
It’s a start Mr CV, we can idealise away to our hearts content… there IS an issue, it’s about Sovereignty above all else, and welfare of all NZ’ers. How else do you get the message across? A Mike Hoskins investigation?
maybe after being polite for the last year and then some, Mr Twyford just thought fuck it, i’m gonna be clumsy, inept and badly judge an issue launch…….but I fucking launch the issue. This is more than a lot have done in the last years of housing madness that is leaving up to 60 % of the population as tenants of rotting housing stock (private and state), or worse living rough.
There are many many instances of Phil Twyford on Q&A and in articles in our esteemed Fishwrap Papers where he calls for more transparency and data on how many houses have been consented too, have been build, have been opened to tenants/owners and how many houses have been sold to overseas interest. Guess what, the answer…….Crickets.
So yes, if he manages to force National in a. acknowledging that the market is not working for Joe and Jane Sixpack, and b. that maybe all that foreign investment into our residential and commercial real estate does make us in the long term tenants with no benefits to the country, then that is a good thing.
But in the meantime lets sing Kumbaya and complain that someone raised an issue that has been rumored and discussed for at least a few years, and that will raise tensions in the community if not addressed.
Well to the chorus of “labour” is not doing enough, too much, too polite, not angry enough, add racism. Well done, and you guys still wonder why we are getting screwed over by the highest bidder.
Gosh, this country is fucked, truly and utterly fucked.
and that will raise tensions in the community if not addressed.
You make a good point here Sabine, which is that left unchecked, this policy of see no evil, hear no evil will damaged race relations in this country 100 fold in the years to come.
+ 1 CV
Perhaps if all those defending this racial profiling research by Rob Salmond and the press release from Twyford read the following they may get a hint of the effect on a New Zealander with a Chinese name. https://nzcoop.wordpress.com/2015/07/12/a-chen-by-any-other-name/
My Māori and Pacific Island friends get stopped by the police far more often than my white friends and they have to pay before filling up at petrol stations when I do not have to. Chinese and Korean friends get abused in the street and told to go back home. Why? Because they do not look caucasian.
By all means ban non-resident ownership of houses and farming land, but don’t target the Chinese because their names make it easy to do so.
We are the top money laundering site in the South Pacific.
Criminal money does not have a nationality, but once our country is drowning in it it is extraordinarily difficult to get rid of. These thugs have no qualms about making politicians and judges “an offer they can’t refuse.”
God defend New Zealand, because we’ve done a shit job of doing it ourselves.
I know some rich Chinese (Let me say they are very nice people, doesn’t sound racist eh?). They have bought some investment properties here and hubby works in China their son drives a Lamborghini I kid you not! My humble opinion this country is stuffed. Why? our young people can’t afford to buy house because prop speculating was never stopped and they’re fucked by student loans and low wages.
Stupid fuckwit governments have been told over and over again,NZ first for new zealanders not,not foreigners, and they do nothing they just suck on the poisonous teat of neoliberalism.
Johnm – it’s New Zealand for rich New Zealanders/Globalist Elites – times have changed, stuff your sense of fairness, justice and down right commie socialist utopia… stop complaining scum… just work harder (and hide your societal moral compass) you loser, oh, and don’t be racist (unless you talk about Maori bludgers).
” What we need is an outright ban on foreigners owning land or houses in New Zealand, a tough capital gains tax to drive local speculators and investors out of the housing market and a massive state house building programme to meet the housing quality and affordability crisis where it’s having its most devastating impact – on low income New Zealand tenants and families. ” – See more at: http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2015/07/13/national-playing-the-reverse-race-card-on-housing/#sthash.4uDzdYa2.dpuf
“National knows this is happening but is so desperate to keep house prices artificially large (the growth of house prices makes home-owning middle class families feel wealthier and more supportive towards National) that it refuses to collect the data that would reveal the extent of the problem”.
It is a bubble – but people want to think their retirement years are going to be well financed, or they are mortgaged to the hilt and have a hell of a lot to lose.
Bullshit way to win votes. And a bit of a fuck the kids scenario. To be honest though, Labour should and could have done something about this. Globally I reckon they’ll try to push this for another 30 years to stack up fiat currencies, just think about the amount of monies created out of family homes.
You know the other thing is wages/salaries? Why are NZ’s so low?
A friend of mine is a property investor and a landlord, has a very Chinese name, and by gosh he even looks Chinese.
I believe he has significantly expanded his Auckland portfolio over the last few years.
His family have been here since 1858.
Can’t see this current tactic convincing him to vote Labour.
The real point is that Labour has pretty much guaranteed that East Asians (Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, Taiwanese) will not be voting for Labour for quite some time to come.
National knows about this only too well. Quite a few Pacific Islanders still raise the dawn raids, which are now nearly 40 years ago. National now has a number of Pacific Island MP’s, but it took a long time to rebuild trust among the Pacifica community.
The real point is that Labour has pretty much guaranteed that East Asians (Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, Taiwanese) will not be voting for Labour for quite some time to come.
As you would know Wayne most East Asians (Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, Taiwanese) are politically conservative or they don’t participate in the electoral process at all. Therefore it is fair to say that the majority who do vote are more likely to be National voters. Add to that, the propensity of many Chinese to vote for incumbent governments (because they assume it will be of personal benefit to themselves in the same way it tended to be in their country of origin) then I’m picking this was not of paramount importance for Phil Twyford and Labour.
As a resident of the North Shore (and former MP for the electorate) you would also be aware that the issue has been of paramount concern on the Shore for some considerable time. In light of that, are you big enough to accept that Twyford has shown much courage in highlighting the problem, knowing he would be trampled underfoot by those who – for whatever reason – don’t want the matter to be brought to the public’s attention?
Actually, I think many ordinary resident ‘East Asians’ may/will actually agree and support Twyford’s view as they themselves are finding it too hard to buy a house. It is the overseas investors that are pushing up the demand and hence the fast accelerating prices due to pathetic supply. To know this for sure, this present useless government should open an overseas owners register immediately (and even give retrospective information for the last six years too). I fail to understand see why this clueless government has announced the very bare minimum and that too from next OCTOBER onwards ! Why not at least from now on immediately? What are Key, Smith and the government scared of?
Or he could be a highly respected community leader from a longstanding hard working family that has made an enormous contribution to the community they have been in continuously for 157 years ?
Perhaps you’d like to come down to Otago and start bad mouthing him and his family in the manner you have just done Anne, and see what reaction you get?
Agree, most courageous thing Labour has done for years, Twyford must keep fighting this one for the poor and vulnerable who are renting houses in Auckland.
The working poor are paying a huge amount of their income in rent in Auckland, unfortunately their “inflation” is not the CPI for the rest of us, it is the 6% to 10% increase in their rentals per annum.
Does he care for the 1000’s of Aucklanders sleeping in cold un-insulated garages in south Auckland because they cant afford ever increasing rents??? That is the issue here.
Of course he won’t vote Labour……..like he ever would ? More mileage to be had out of membership of the Cabinet Club and the corruption inherent in it. Ever sat down with your friend and canvassed his honest feelings about Maori and Polynesian ? I suspect that’d knock your studied “I hate racism !” fleece off your lost back. Or maybe not for the reason that these racism charges are but snotty construct.
New Zealand is a huge money laundering site. Dirty money doesn’t have a nationality.
1. Anyone from anywhere can buy real estate here: drug lords, arms dealers, tax evaders, scam artists.
2. One of John Key’s first actions was to remove the limit on how much money can be put into a NZ trust in any year. (Used to be $23,000 a year.)
3. Profits in a NZ trusts that does not have a NZ beneficiary are free from any NZ taxes.
Have you got the picture yet? Example: Bring $100 million of dirty money from overseas. Set up a trust. Buy and sell real estate with no taxes owed. No taxes owed means no IRD checks on who you are, where the money came from, and where you send it from here.
We are the money laundering capital of the South Pacific. It’s not the Chinese, it’s the criminal underworld driving up real estate prices.
Nice work, John Key. Probably a little trick you learned at Merrill Lynch. Nice work Labour and MSM for not exposing it. Ask Cactus Kate for further details.
foreign ownership of new Zealand is absolutely a problem.
but TRP claiming no racism in this circumstance …… and asking for a wee definition of ‘racism’ ….. ha ha what a frikkin laugh…. still like this after so many years ………
I didn’t ask for a definition, I provided one. It’s in the post. And, weird as it may seem to you, what Twyford has done doesn’t meet the definition of racism. Though, marty mars has come as close as anyone to showing why it could be seen that way, so kudos to him.
The housing bubble in auckland is also affecting other parts of the economy – no matter how tempting that job in Auckland looks who can afford to move there to do it. And frankly companies who are beset with hiring problems in Auckland have been very slow to shift staff away to other locations.
if property prices ‘tank’ the private banks would become insolvent….with their rapacious ,one track lending practices reliant on created ‘money’ a 25-30% adjustment could spell disaster!;)except of course they would be bailed out ..AGAIN…and the hoi polloi would take a hit..AGAIN!
@ vto “property prices will tank and you can all feast again”
Yeah right, a Greek feast.
1. A lot of locals will get badly burned because they bought at the market top. The value of their properties will nosedive. But they’ll still owe the mortgage, which they could never afford in the first place.
2. When the borrower can’t pay off the debt, the lender has to eat it. Our banks are drowning in property loans. Will the NZ taxpayers agree to bail out Aussie owned banks who suck billions a year out of us? Not me, thank you.
Depends to what purpose it’s sought to put those stats. If it’s to lambast brown and poor and to gloss over racism/classism/poverty and contrive oneself as the victim, it clearly is racist.
If it’s to speak to the palpable reality that racism/classism/poverty is a major contributor to those stats, it’s clearly not.
Sticks out like dogs’ balls that your purpose is the former. Infused…….the ‘New Nelson Mandela’…….give us a Tui’s break mate.
Big deal. The really vicious issue they are all resoundingly silent on is the TPPA. Once this treasonous deal is in place we will all be servants/slaves/tenants on multiple levels but any noise on this issue? Don’t hold your breath.
And to Adele……it sickens me that long term practitioners both subliminally and consciously of base racism against Maori are suddenly the ones clutching their pearls and screeching “Racist !” at those daring to alert to wells of cheap foreign investment money. Money which in the broad picture simply cements the picture of Maori as long, long, long term victims of racism.
Underlines their bastard contempt for Maori.
This cheap foreign investment money and the TPPA are peas in the same pod, the object being to create within these shores a wildly profitable financial playground for the rich, from wherever they come !
@ North and Adele…a “contempt for Maori” which is very much misplaced and shows up the arrogance of many other so called advanced races
….because the Old traditional Maori (like the Tibetans and American Indians and Aborigines )
…. were/are very ecologically aware
…. and did not overpopulate
…..and women had standing
…. and this applies to the TPPA…we need to think local and support local and live within our means and national country ecology…
…as Naomi Klein points out in her book on the crisis of climate change ‘This Changes Everything’….”market fundamentalism has, from the very first moments, systematically sabotaged our collective response to climate change…The truth is that if we want to live within ecological limits, we would need to return to a lifestyle similar to the one we had in the 1970s, before consumption levels went crazy in the 1980s.”..”a healthy and moderate lifestyle”…”selective degrowth”…
“For many people, the leaked property sale figures reported in the Weekend Herald …… They concluded some time ago that overseas Chinese buyers were behind the boom in the Auckland property market…….”
Interesting editorial in today’s Herald. Maybe its because its based in Auckland that it hasn’t gone “shock, horror, racism” at Phil Twyford raising the tempo on whether or not Chinese out-of-towners are buying up big on Auckland property, but is instead calling for a proper investigation into this matter : just as Phil T, and Labour have been doing for the past couple of years.
TPPA is bad as we all know….and USA foreign policy and corporates tyranny have been dissected at length on this site ( including by me)….but also by some here shouting racism the loudest
….however China also has its problems and those people shouting racism the loudest just about invariably choose to ignore China’s problems…China’s problems could dwarf New Zealand if we let them.
China has a massive overpopulation problem ( 1.4 billion):
Just been looking back through some of Labour’s narrative back in the 90’s when Winston was on the Asian Invasion bandwagon. What bunch of hypocrites. You couldn’t make this stuff up if you tried. Laughable. This race card by Labour is a disgrace. Shame on you. That said, the main nub of the issue is correct. We should not be letting any foreigners buy our existing houses. If they want to build new houses here, fine. But using racism as the strategic “edge of the wedge”, to get this issue out there, is totally un-Kiwi. It’s quite disgusting actually.
Not a race card to question non-dom ownership of NZ property.
Interesting that you agree with the ACT Party, representatives for the international global corporate elite.
Foreigners buying existing houses is a very bad idea, Chinese or not. Foreigners building new houses is effectively, the same as them investing in a business here. Completely different. Turning some demand off (by stopping foreigners buying existing houses), and turning up supply, by encouraging the building of more new houses is quite a sensible approach. That’s Twyford policy, and it’s a good one. Not sure how the ACT party fits in. If they agree with Twyford’s idea, then good on them, the more the better. It is the race card. Blaming the Chinese is just stupid and racist. He just wanted to give the issue more oxygen, and he knew this would do it. Edit: just mentioning foreigners may have been enough, it did not need the vilification of another minority group in our country to shine a light on this issue.
Talking of spin merchants, no doubt Matthew Hooton has prepared his spin on the Auckland housing crisis for 9 to Noon.
Wonder if Mike Williams will rebut his nonsense this time.
No there are more than just ACT supporters who are questioning this.
I mentioned the ACT party to remind people who they are lying down in bed with. The extreme right are on your side.
Yeah I have noticed a trail of “ACT” comebacks from Paul over the place. It’s sort of like a dog pissing on lamp post to mark territory, but ends up like sheep droppings, just mindlessly excreted all over The Standard adding no value. Most of the time irrelevant at best, and don’t even make sense at worst. One word. Troll.
Well, as I said, Paul … Twyford’s racist edge to give oxygen to this issue does not change that fact the he is right, and he has a good policy. Reduce demand by stopping foreigners buying existing houses, and increasing supply by encouraging all investors, foreigners and domestic, to build, instead of buy homes makes sense to me. A good idea, is a good idea. I really don’t see how ACT agreeing with Twyford, makes his policy less plausible. ACT are irrelevant anyway. Obviously you take them seriously, but I wouldn’t get to hung up on what they think.
Supporting a culture of political correctness means that the charges you use against others in arguments can now also be used on you, fairly or unfairly.
No, it’s not about a culture of political correctness.
This is an issue where two concerns of the Left – economic sovereignty and personal identity – collide and have been put in stark relief by Labour’s actions, rightly or wrongly.
”Supporting a culture of political correctness means that the charges you use against others in arguments can now also be used on you, fairly or unfairly.”
Are you saying that if the Left hadn’t supported a culture of political correctness, it would have been able to run an economic sovereignty line without accusations of racism? That doesn’t make sense.
If National have data that rebuts the Barfoot data, let’s see it. New Zealanders need to know, and the Barfoot data are the only data we have. Imperfect though the data may be at present – the picture it paints is clearly indicative.
If it has no data whatsoever, the government is just flying blind, and should get cracking on establishing exactly who is buying our land and property New Zealand-wide – NOT just in Auckland, where it appears mainland Chinese money is flowing. But they should give us the whole picture, or they are simply not doing their job and why are we paying them?
Of course we can see why they would rather we didn’t know who our landlords are. (And somebody must be clipping the ticket on all that money laundering and it sure isn’t me or Mrs Brillo.)
Congratulations!! You’ve all fallen for the Nick Smith diversion- throw out the racism comment and the feeding frenzy for the sheeple begins-fantastic! Funny how the media aren’t that shy about calling out Maori for negative stats, but when it’s middle/wealthy class Asians-oohhhhh!! We don’t want to lose their money now, do we! And then we spend all this time letting ‘racism’ get in the way of the facts. Get over it, and call it for what it is- money laundering and cheap money, predominantly from Asia (particularly China) has been, and is, flooding the Auckland property market, propping up the NZ economy.
Mr Little told Radio NZ today that the average income of ethnic Chinese living in Auckland was below the average income overall, so it would be “madness” to say they were buying so many top-end houses.
One thing i see all the time as my wife is chinese , they use skykiwi for tradesmen, they mostly pay cash with no gst or tax.
There is a whole Chinese black market of tradesmen who can’t speak English, don’t pay tax and live like they are still in China.
As a contractor myself i have a ad in Chinese papers and skykiwi put up by my wife, when a Chinese person contacts me about getting work done they never want to pay the going rate or gst, so i turn the job down.
So on paper some of these people may seem like they are on a low income, but they have a million buck home and two flash cars.
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A listing of 33 news and opinion articles we found interesting and shared on social media during the past week: Sun, November 10, 2024 thru Sat, November 16, 2024. Story of the week Our Story of the Week is completely "meta" (no, not that Meta). It's about our exploring how ...
..Thanks for reading Frankly Speaking ! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work.Self-appointed “Bishop” and proto-fascist, Brian Tamaki was at it again on 16 November, blocking Auckland’s southern motorway, SH1.This time, the target of his ire wasn’t the Civil Unions Act; covid lock-downs; mask mandates; or ...
I cannot stop grabbing people by the lapels, or shoulders, or similar, and raving at them about the tiny miracles in my ears.I can hear again! There could not be a more satisfied customer in all the world.In a noisy cafe I am even catching words that Karren cannot, she ...
Take the baitYou pay the priceIt's much too lateFor good adviceYou know and I know that our good things' throughBecause there's consequences for what we doConsequences for me and youWriters: Kevin Robert Hayes, David Nagier, Bonnie Adele Hayes.Fallout from the first readingOne News began last night by saying that tens ...
Hi,If I was to accurately sum up my mental state over the week, I’d just say that I got a huge fright from my own shadow.I’d nipped out for an 11pm neighborhood stroll, just to calm down after a day of stress and screens. The Cure and Fazerdaze’s new record ...
The current rise of populism challenges the way we think about people’s relationship to the economy.We seem to be entering an era of populism, in which leadership in a democracy is based on preferences of the population which do not seem entirely rational nor serving their longer interests. ...
On Tuesday, sick of government stonewalling, the Waitangi Tribunal issued a rare court order, ordering the Minister of Health to release unredacted documents within 48 hours showing its reasoning for disestablishing Te Aka Whai Ora, the Māori Health Authority. The government's response to the lawful order of a court? Yeah, ...
Yesterday, under cover the the biggest political fight of the year, National quietly - covertly, even - introduced anti-foreign interference legislation. The bill is the product of a years-long work-program aimed at countering shit like this and this, and there's unquestionably a need to do something to counter foreign states' ...
A few months ago, I was in an audience watching a Haka-Kapa and as I watched children dance and sing and sway and shout and beat, I couldn’t help but think “The Haka represents the best of us.”Yes, yes - there will be a thousand voices that rush forth to ...
St Mary’s Bay housing left hanging: Climate risk is systemically underestimated in the climate scenarios used by central banks, and a new report warns 10,000 houses are set to become uninsurable in Aotearoa. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāLong stories short, here’s the top six news items of note in ...
One of the major problems the Government has in implementing its ‘going for housing growth’ strategy is that it isn’t giving much funding help to councils. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāKia ora. Long stories short, here’s my top things to note in Aotearoa’s political economy around housing, climate and ...
The Treaty Principles Bill continues to dominate political news, with it passing its first reading in the House. Parliament was briefly suspended and Te Pāti Māori MP Hana-Rawhiti Maipi-Clarke suspended for 24 hours after leading a haka that was joined by opposition MPs and the public in the gallery. Willie ...
Happy Friday, welcome to another round-up of interesting stories about what’s happening in Auckland and other cities. Feel free to add your links in the comments! This post, like all our work, is brought to you by a largely volunteer crew and made possible by generous donations from our readers ...
And screamingAre we we are, are we we are the waitingAnd screamingAre we we are, are we we are the waitingForget me nots, second thoughts live in isolationHeads or tails and fairy tales in my mindAre we we are, are we we are the waiting unknownThe rage and love, the ...
The podcast above of the weekly ‘Hoon’ webinar for paying subscribers on Thursday night features co-hosts & talking about the week’s news with:The Kākā’s climate correspondent on the latest climate news, including from COP29 this week; on the US Presidential elections, Israel vs Gaza/Iran/Lebanon, Ukraine/Nato vs Russia/North ...
Only two months ago, Nicola Willis had to step in to stop Health New Zealand cutting tea and toast for post-birth parents, and now Lester Levy is riding to the rescue with a welcome message for all: our health workers can once again drink Milo, and will no longer need ...
Day One of the Treaty Principles Bill…and everyone got what they wanted, and did what they liked. Heated words were exchanged. Culturally appropriate acts of outrage were performed. David Seymour got to play the victim card. Willie Jackson got kicked out of class. A comically red-faced Mr Speaker bellowed “Order, ...
Open access notables Microbial solutions must be deployed against climate catastrophe, Peixoto et al., Nature Communications [comment]:The climate crisis is escalating. A multitude of microbe-based solutions have been proposed, and these technologies hold great promise and could be deployed along with other climate mitigation strategies. However, these solutions have ...
You can pay a great deal of money for the services of a KC. So just what would some peerless legal writing from 40 or so of them be worth, do you reckon?Priceless, that’s what. It’s not even the half of it, but this is my favourite part of the ...
The government's Treaty Principles Bill is up for its first reading today - bought forward in a rush in a desperate effort to avoid the hikoi which is currently marching on Wellington. But the Prime Minister won’t be there for it – he’s literally running away to Peru! But he ...
Good morning, and I’m sorry I’ve been away for a couple of days.I’ve been focusing on the Hikoi, and also testing out sentiment on the Treaty Principles Bill. It’s complicated, and the Treaty Principles Bill will be debated in the House today. The Government’s own lawyers have told them the ...
NZCTU Te Kauae Kaimahi President Richard Wagstaff is calling on the Government to vote down an ACT Party Members Bill that would undermine workers’ rights by making it easier for employers to fire workers. Last week ACT MP Laura Trask’s Employment Relations (Termination of Employment by Agreement) Amendment Bill was ...
As the weight of the world Hangs on your shoulders The weight of the world Starts to take over again And over again All that you once loved, now you hate So slowly relearn how to meditate To have and to hold And never let go Can you feel it ...
The Treaty Principles Bill is set to have its First Reading in the House today, as the Hīkoi mō Te Tiriti continues. More than 40 KCs have written to the Prime Minister and Attorney-General outlining their “grave concerns” about the substance of the Treaty Principles Bill, while an academic and ...
As we absorb the news of Trump's victory in the US Presidential election, here’s a wrap compiled just before the result of what it might mean for climate action: The UN Secretary General says the prospective departure of the United States would cripple the Paris Agreement, likening it to the ...
Patrick Reynolds is deputy chair of the City Centre Advisory Panel. The header image is from Walthamstow, London The city centre now has a few stretches of street where the space has been repurposed to a people and place focused design from full time traffic use. These are a great ...
As the Hikoi against it swells into the tens of thousands, KCs call on National to kill off ACT’s divisive Treaty Principles Bill. Photo: Getty ImagesKia ora. Long stories short, here’s my top things to note in Aotearoa’s political economy around housing, climate and poverty on Thursday, November 14: The ...
The big question hovering over the Select Committee Inquiry into banking is what the Government will do with its findings. If yesterday’s hearing is anything to go by there is a tidal wave of discontent about the four big Australian Banks crashing through the Committee which may force it to ...
In April 2024 we announced the (renewed) collaboration between Gigafact and Skeptical Science to create fact briefs, short but credibly sourced summaries that offer “yes/no” answers in response to claims found online. Our initial plan had been to publish one fact brief per week on Saturdays but - as happens ...
Between 1950 and 1993 the New Zealand government tortured and abused up to 250,000 children in residential care facilities. Yesterday, following formal findings from a royal commission, it finally apologised for that abuse. The next step is redress and restitution - compensating the surviving victims for the appalling harm they ...
Back onto the harbour bridge I go, my happy place for protesting.And it truly is a happy place, this day.Protests can bristle a lot, but this one is all heart. The WOMAD of protest marches. Families are safe and happy and a little one is pushing the trolley her older ...
Kia mau ra, kia mau raKi te mana motuhakeMe te arohaHold fast, hold fastTo your sovereigntyAnd to love and compassionLyrics: Hīrini Melbourne. “Ngā Iwi E passionately calls for unity among the peoples of the Pacific, a cause deeply cherished by Melbourne himself.”I sat at my desk this morning and thought ...
The Government has passed legislation to remove agriculture from the Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS) while Aotearoa’s reputation on climate action plummets. ...
As legislation to set up boot camps passed its first reading, the Green Party urged the Government to abandon this failed policy experiment for the good of our rangatahi. ...
The Ministry of Health has today released an evidence brief regarding the use of puberty blockers in gender-affirming healthcare, amid moves by the government to limit access. ...
Louise Upston has revealed her diminished vision for vulnerable youth against a backdrop of snubbed advice, scrapped priorities, shifted goal posts and thousands more children projected to fall into poverty. ...
National Government’s backward-looking climate policy has seen New Zealand fall seven places on the Climate Change Performance Index to 41 out of 63 countries measured. ...
When the Government says it has reduced the number of people in emergency housing, what it means is it is stopping people from accessing it in the first place. ...
The Government is turning its back on children by not only weakening child poverty reduction targets, but also removing child mental wellbeing as a priority focus in their Child and Youth Wellbeing Strategy. ...
A group of prominent economists has released an open letter to the Government, raising grave concerns about the far-reaching consequences of its fiscal policy. ...
Parliamentarians from Australia, Canada and New Zealand have written an open letter to their respective Prime Ministers calling on them to recognise Palestine. ...
Te Whatu Ora’s bill for contracting and consulting staff has ballooned by nearly 20 percent under the National Government, breaking a promise they made during the election campaign to cut contractors. ...
Te Tiriti o Waitangi is our country’s founding document. It forms the basis of the relationship between Māori and the Crown – and the Aotearoa New Zealand we live in today. ...
As the hīkoi to Parliament continues, Labour has sent an open letter to Prime Minister Christopher Luxon in a last-ditch attempt to get him to kill the Treaty Principles Bill. ...
Labour joins with the Government in unreservedly apologising for the abuse, neglect and trauma including torture in state and faith-based care and for ignoring the voices of survivors for too long. ...
The Green Party is alarmed by the Government’s move to exclude a journalist from covering this week’s apology for the survivors of abuse in state and faith-based care. ...
For tomorrow’s apology to survivors of abuse in state and faith-based care to hold any water, the Government must not pursue the same policies that drove the abuse in the first place. ...
Concerns about the tobacco industry’s ability to interfere in government policy making remain, despite the inability of the Office of the Auditor-General to investigate the Government’s decision to halve the excise tax on heated tobacco products. ...
Break out the punchlines and dust off your meme folder: Green Party MP Kahurangi Carter’s Copyright (Parody and Satire) Amendment Bill was pulled from the Ballot yesterday. ...
Kua hinga te manawa kairākau o Te Rua Tekau Ma Waru Tiwhatiwha te po! Kakarauru i te po! Ka rapuhia kei hea koe kua riro! Haere e te Ika a Whiro ki o tini hoa kua ngaro atu ki te Pō ...
The opposition parties stand united for an Aotearoa that honours Te Tiriti, rather than seeking to rewrite it. Labour, the Greens and Te Pāti Māori are working together against the Government’s divisive Treaty Principles Bill. ...
The opposition parties stand united for an Aotearoa that honours Te Tiriti, rather than seeking to rewrite it. Labour, the Greens and Te Pāti Māori are working together against the Government’s divisive Treaty Principles Bill. ...
The Deputy Prime Minister should apologise to the public servant he named and blamed for something they did not do, and for misusing the rules of Parliament. ...
The Government is taking action to ensure Southland farmers and growers are not affected by unreasonable regional farm plan deadlines, Agriculture Minister Todd McClay, Environment Minister Penny Simmonds and Associate Environment Minister Andrew Hoggard say.“Cabinet has agreed to provide more time for farmers and growers to comply with regional rules ...
The Oranga Tamariki (Responding to Serious Youth Offending) Bill had its first reading at Parliament today. The Bill reaffirms the Government’s commitment to crack down on serious youth offending, Minister for Children Karen Chhour says. “In recent years we have seen an unacceptable spike in youth offending. “This Bill makes ...
Fairer, more sensible rules about managing earthquake risks are a step closer with the passing of legislation and the appointment of an independent chair to provide expert advice, Minister for Building and Construction Chris Penk says. “The Government is committed to reinvigorating our cities and regions to support economic growth, ...
People in Northland and Auckland will benefit from a new machine for cancer treatment installed at the Regional Cancer and Blood Service at Auckland City Hospital. The MV5 linear accelerator, or LINAC machine, officially opened today targets cancer tumours with pinpoint accuracy. Health Minister Dr Shane Reti says this new, ...
Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Winston Peters will travel to Europe for high-level talks with France, Germany and the United Kingdom next week. "Since taking office almost a year ago, the Coalition Government has emphasised the importance we place on New Zealand's traditional and likeminded diplomatic and ...
Police have made their first arrests under the new gang patch legislation, with two gang members arrested, says Police Minister Mark Mitchell. “Just before 11 this morning, Police in Wairoa apprehended a gang member for wearing a patch to the supermarket. He has been arrested and will now face enforcement ...
The Government is proposing two major changes to name suppression laws that will put the views of victims of sexual violence first, Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith says. “We are committed to restoring law and order and these two proposed changes will help ensure the victims of crime are put at ...
Cabinet has agreed to invite all regions to submit proposals for Regional Deals between central and local government that drive economic growth and deliver the infrastructure our country needs, Local Government Minister Simeon Brown and Infrastructure Minister Chris Bishop say. Inviting all regions to propose a Regional Deal that boosts ...
One of the ten young men selected to participate in the Military-Style Academy Pilot has allegedly reoffended. Children’s Minister Karen Chhour is disappointed but says it would be naïve to think that none of these young men would reoffend. “I’m saddened that this young person has not taken this opportunity ...
Associate Education Minister David Seymour says that school attendance is continuing to rise. In Term 3 of 2024 51.3 per cent of students attended school regularly, an increase of 5.3 percentage points from 46 per cent in Term 3 of 2023. “This Government has prioritised student attendance and it is ...
Ensuring New Zealand is the best place in the world for children and young people is the vision at the heart of the Government’s new Child and Youth Strategy, Child Poverty Reduction Minister Louise Upston says. “Childhood represents a huge opportunity to set people on a positive path towards living ...
The Government is reinstating the trade of livestock exports by sea while ensuring the highest standards of animal welfare, says Associate Minister of Agriculture Andrew Hoggard.“The Government will introduce legislation changes to reinstate the trade, enhance oversight, and strengthen requirements for exporters to identify risks and manage the welfare of ...
Tēnā koutou katoa – it is a pleasure to be here today. I would like to begin by acknowledging the important leadership role you all play in ensuring a quality health system New Zealanders can trust. There is enormous clinical expertise in this room covering a wide range of disciplines. ...
Tēnā koutou katoa. Mr President, Excellencies, Delegates. New Zealand, and all nations represented here today, are already dealing with the impacts of climate change. Our households, businesses, and economies are bearing the costs of its effects. The choices we make now will shape the severity of these impacts for generations ...
The Government has released its second Quarterly Investment Report (QIR) which shows substantial work still to be done by agencies to improve investment reporting and meet the Government’s expectations, Infrastructure and Acting Finance Minister Chris Bishop says. “New Zealand has significant infrastructure and investment needs. The Government is determined to get ...
Climate Change Minister Simon Watts announced New Zealand will contribute NZ$10 million to the new Fund for Responding to Loss and Damage while at the annual United Nations Climate Change Conference (COP29) in Baku, Azerbaijan. “New Zealand is joining the global effort to address the significant challenge of responding to ...
The free ride for gangs is over when the clock strikes midnight tonight, with tough new laws officially coming into effect, Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith and Police Minister Mark Mitchell say. “Gang patches will no longer be able to be worn in public. To earn the right to wear a ...
The Government is welcoming the decision by the Local Government Funding Agency to increase access to financing tools for fast growing councils to support greater investment in critical infrastructure, Local Government Minister Simeon Brown says.“Communities across the country are facing an infrastructure deficit and significant population growth is projected in ...
The Government has revealed that over the past three years, the New Zealand Transport Agency (NZTA) has spent an eyewatering $786 million of taxpayers’ money on road cones and temporary traffic management (TTM), Transport Minister Simeon Brown says.“When I became Minister, I was surprised to learn that that NZTA did ...
Legislation that will double the financial jurisdiction of the Disputes Tribunal from $30,000 to $60,000 has passed first reading in Parliament today, Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith. “We need to improve court timeliness and access to justice so that Kiwis and get on with their lives. Court delays affect everyone, the ...
Legislation that will specifically criminalise foreign interference and strengthen espionage offences has passed first reading in Parliament today, Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith says. “It is normal and appropriate for states to interact and work to influence one another. This encourages cooperation and can have mutually beneficial outcomes. “However, the reality ...
Transport Minister Simeon Brown has welcomed news that the NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) Board has approved funding towards pre-implementation and early works on the State Highway 1 (SH1) Belfast to Pegasus Motorway and Woodend Bypass Road of National Significance (RoNS). “Reaching this significant milestone is a reflection of our Government’s ...
Health Minister Dr Shane Reti says findings from the annual Health Survey highlight the need to continue driving better health outcomes for New Zealanders. The New Zealand Health Survey is an annual snapshot of key metrics measured from July 2023 – July 2024. Findings released this morning include: In 2023/24, ...
A renewed effort to get people to quit smoking will build on what has worked to date and target the groups who most need support, Associate Health Minister Casey Costello said today. “The latest New Zealand Health Survey results show the daily smoking rate at 6.9 per cent and we ...
Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters has announced four new diplomatic appointments. “Our diplomats play an important role in ensuring New Zealand’s interests are maintained and enhanced across the world,” Mr Peters says. “It is a pleasure to announce the appointment of these senior diplomats from the Ministry of Foreign ...
Regulation Minister David Seymour has today announced the next steps in the Government’s plan improve the quality of regulation by opening consultation on a proposed Regulatory Standards Bill. “New Zealand's low wages can be blamed on low productivity, and low productivity can be blamed on poor regulation,” says Mr Seymour. ...
Minister for Regulation David Seymour has today announced that the Ministry for Regulation’s Red Tape Tipline is now live. “We want to hear about your red tape horror stories. From today, New Zealanders will have a say on how they are regulated through an online portal,” says Mr Seymour. The ...
The Minister for Youth Matt Doocey has today announced the eleventh Youth Parliament will be taking place in 2025. “Youth Parliament offers a unique youth development opportunity to young people from across New Zealand to experience the political process and learn about how government works,” says Mr Doocey. “The two-day ...
After nearly a year in Government, Kiwis have seen significant change across law and order with promising early results shown across some Police statistics, says Police Minister Mark Mitchell. “In August 2023, I told New Zealanders that if they had not started to see a change in public safety within ...
With the launch of Fraud Awareness Week, the Government is committing to new coordination efforts across industry and government to combat online scams, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly says. “Online financial scams are a growing problem for New Zealand. New data released today shows that Kiwis lost nearly ...
Minister for Children Karen Chhour will consider the recommendations made by the Social Services and Community Committee in its report back to Parliament on the Oranga Tamariki (Repeal of Section 7AA) Amendment Bill. “I want to thank the people who made submissions and those who appeared before the committee in ...
Defence Minister Judith Collins will this week attend the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) Defence Ministers’ Meeting-Plus in Vientiane, Laos. “We need to take every opportunity to engage with our international partners, given the increasingly unstable geo-political situation,” Ms Collins says. “New Zealand has a long-standing commitment to this ...
The Minister for the Prevention of Family and Sexual Violence, Karen Chhour, was on hand to wish riders well at the start of the North Island leg of the White Ribbon Ride in Whakatāne this morning. The ride helps mark the International Day for the Elimination of Violence against Women, ...
Construction on the next stage of the SH1 Papakura to Drury project will begin early next month, with the contract for works awarded to Fulton Hogan, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. "SH1 Papakura to Drury is a key project that will drive economic growth and productivity, reduce congestion, and enable people ...
Trade and Agriculture Minister Todd McClay has signed a pioneering trade agreement that prioritises New Zealand’s sustainable exports at a ceremony during APEC in Peru today. “The Agreement on Trade and Sustainability (ACCTS), between Costa Rica, Iceland, and Switzerland was concluded in July of this year and opens up significant ...
Five new Aquaculture Settlement Areas will help ensure Ngāi Tahu shares in the opportunities aquaculture offers for Southland’s economy, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says. “The Aquaculture Settlement Areas (ASAs) I’m announcing today set aside space so the Crown and Ngāi Tahu can assess their potential for aquaculture development. ...
The terms of reference for a review of the performance of the electricity market have been released. The review, initiated by the Coalition Government during the power crisis in winter will look at whether current regulations and market design support economic growth and access to reliable and affordable electricity, Energy Minister ...
Kia ora koutou katoa. Nau mai, haere mai, piki mai. Ki te mihi atu ahau, ki te manwhenua nei, Te Atiawa, Ngāti toa rangatira, tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou katoa. Thank you, Andy, for your introduction. Let me acknowledge you as the new Chief Executive of the Social Investment ...
Minister of State for Trade Nicola Grigg has travelled to Australia to attend the PACER Plus Ministers Meeting in Brisbane. “Trade plays a critical role in driving employment, economic growth, and improving the standards of living in the Pacific Region. The Government is strongly committed to supporting Pacific Island countries ...
Toitū te taiao – Our environment endures The Government is consulting on proposals to modernise New Zealand’s conservation management system, aiming to protect relevant natural areas while supporting sustainable growth in tourism and regional economies, Conservation Minister Tama Potaka says. “Today, the Department of Conservation – Te Papa Atawhai is ...
Analysis - The diversity of voices during the hīkoi was noticeable - from tangata moana to young immigrants to elderly Pākehā from the South Island. ...
When the bill to restore NZ citizenship to some Samoans passed this week, Parliament's galleries were full to the brim with members of the community. ...
Women’s Rights Party Co-leader Jill Ovens says the Ministry has put New Zealand children at risk by continuing to allow “off-label” prescribing of puberty blockers at far higher rates than other similar countries. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra Bill Shorten has declared himself “a proud moderate” in a valedictory speech declaring parliament has the responsibility to ensure the extremes of left and right do not set the terms of political debate. Shorten, ...
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Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Daniel Angus, Professor of Digital Communication, Director of QUT Digital Media Research Centre, Queensland University of Technology Ron Lach/Pexels The federal government today introduced into parliament legislation for its social media ban for people under 16 years. Communications Minister Michelle ...
"I can't see this lasting unless they have a budget to lock fullas up in jail which I think is absolutely stupid, really it's ludicrous," Ngavii Pekapo, who set up a Mongrel Mob chapter 54 years ago, says. ...
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The United States has vetoed a UN Security Council ceasefire resolution — for the fourth time — in Israel’s war on Gaza, while Hezbollah demands a complete ceasefire and “protection of Lebanon’s sovereignty” in any deal with Israel. Amid the death and devastation, Joe Hendren reflects on his time in ...
The acclaimed New Zealand drama has just premiered on TV in the United Kingdom, and the five-star reviews are already flowing in. Six months after it was called a “blistering” “tour de force” by Australian critics, and nearly a year since The Spinoff declared it the best drama New Zealand ...
New Zealanders are drinking and smoking less, but most other recreational drugs are becoming cheaper, more popular and more available, two new reports show. Two significant new surveys about drugs in Aotearoa were released this week, offering a rare insight into New Zealanders’ choice of substances, which ones are becoming ...
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The new movie musical is undoubtedly a fun watch, but it’s also proof that bigger isn’t always better, writes Stewart Sowman-Lund. Contains minor spoilers for Wicked.There’s no doubt that Wicked is going to be huge. No other pop culture event this year, save from maybe Charli XCX’s Brat, has ...
There are calls for New Zealand’s Family Violence Act to name economic harm as a standalone type of violence, rather than a subcategory of psychological abuse, to bring it in line with the United Kingdom and Australia. Economic harm – restricting access to, sabotaging or exploiting another person’s financial resources, ...
New Zealand is currently running a structural fiscal deficit, with expenditure exceeding revenue. Economic growth falling short of expectations has been making it harder for the Government to bring the books back into balance. ...
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Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Vaughan Cruickshank, Senior Lecturer in Health and Physical Education, University of Tasmania Cricket originated in England, but has been spread worldwide by British soldiers and settlers in the past few hundred years. It is now the second most popular sport in ...
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If the government won’t hold polluters to account, then people will. People are increasingly taking to the streets and the courtrooms, putting their bodies on the line to shut down polluting industries. This will only escalate further unless New ...
+100 …Good Post….just a pity Labour did not twig to this and concentrate on this before the last election….they would have WON in coalition with the Greens and NZF !….(and Mana/Int!)
Agree 100% Chooky. Good post TRP. Twyford/Labour are spot on the mark with this one.
This excellent article on RNZ this morning is also relevant to this argument (Future Financial Stability).
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/insight/audio/201761887/insight-for-12-july-2015-future-financial-stability
This is something that they should have twigged to when they were last in government. It’s been a concern for that long. Hell, it’s been a concern ever since the 4th Labour government sold out to neo-liberalism.
yes agree…and CAFCA has been going for a long time..
http://canterbury.cyberplace.co.nz/community/CAFCA/
…but the problem has gotten worse under jonkey nactional by along way
Agree.
Really, what idiots NZ Labour are.
Chinese cash is flowing like water into Western cities all over the globe and its a problem that needs dealing with. A problem that National have completely failed to handle. A problem that Labour could really get some traction on if they wanted to.
Instead we now have the spectacle of Labour tearing itself apart over pissant and false allegations of racism while it simultaneously helps the Nats build a smokescreen over their gross incompetence.
Something so utterly absurd could only be happening in a country so totally submerged in the toxic brew of socialism.
What is more, when the Auckland property bubble inevitably bursts it will be very very bad and a lot of people are going to suffer. Not just in Auckland but right across the country.
An outcome that will be so immensely damaging it will show current pissant concerns with “racism” to be completely off target.
Where will the buck stop when the Auckland bubble bursts?
The real Labour Party is not tearing itself apart over this issue …quite the contrary!
….a pity though it didnt take the stand before the last Election…it would have won!
Well, whatever, Labour are all torn up over allegations of racism that are of course being used by National to detract from their own abject failure.
Is it smart of Labour to be allowing National to manipulate them this way?
Twyford’s started it. He presented the data quite poorly and got bad publicity and a backlash against Labour. And yes, National will try to make the most of it.
Did he, did he really?
But, the racist card is being played te reo putake, like it or not, and the person who played it – is Twyford himself.
He could have talk about, like you have, transnational investors. But, rather, he played the Yellow Peril card. I for one, am sick of this style of politics. How many white Australian investors are there in Auckland, quite a few if my last few land lords are anything to go by. English, American, Irish? But, no it comes back to simple blaming the Asians again. This is simply the politics of divide and rule.
The issue is housing for people. And I agree the market can’t organise a do, in a brewery, over this issue. But to use race, ethnicity or any other power differential the elites love to slam working people with to score points. It is just Tory politics with a smile, and I find it repulsive.
Oh for goodness sake, he did NOT play ‘the yellow peril card’! Watch The Nation interview again, and listen this time!
IMO he went out of his way to emphasise the Chinese angle, and had many opportunities to moderate it and focus on the generic ‘foreign investor’ but didn’t take them.
I already covered my take on it here: http://thestandard.org.nz/international-investment-in-auckland-housing/#comment-1042056
I don’t know how he could do it without being specific, adam. If he just said “transnational investors” and the evidence provided showed it was likely to be primarily Chinese, that would pretty much be a dog whistle. It’s uncomfortable, but it’s not racist to deal in the facts. And it’s quite literally the fact of the matter. Right now, the middle and upper classes of China are investing heavily in property world wide. We’re mugs for not having any significant regulation to moderate the downsides of such investment.
Easy, are house purchases in Auckland financed by illicit cash outflow and if so, is housing affordability compromised by illicit cash looking for a home?.
http://www.gfintegrity.org/issues/data-by-country/
But the facts, as I see them is transnational investors have been buying up property in Auckland and the rest of Aotearoa for quite some time. The facts, as I see them, is the Chinese are latest in a long list of transnational investors. The facts, as I see them, is that were not talking about those other transnational investors – we’re squarely transfixed on Asian buyers. See the problem I have?
We bemoaning Chinese capital, but not the rest of the capitalist scum. I like your post te reo putake, and agree we have a problem of Tenancy in our own land. But to point the finger at this last group of investors and go – look it’s the Asians fault – is just racism, plus it reeks of the politics of divide and rule.
Yep, you’re a fucken idiot trying to racialise an issue that isn’t racist.
I did not play the racism card, your mate Twyford did that already. I’m just pointing out he did – and that he is a racist to do so.
I’m guessing you’re wasting your breath Adam.
‘Noble’ defense of the indefensible by some who arguably overly identify with Labour, is going to be oozing around the internet for a wee while.
In the end, I suspect those mounting a defense for Twyford and Labour will satisfy themselves that everyone who recognises and is repulsed by this latest nonsense is racist: that there was no dog-whistle: that Labour and Twyford are being both bold and brave.
S’cuse me while I away and throw up again…
I’m not a member of Labour and have never voted for them but it’s plain to see some people here are very excited at the opportunity to shout, “Racist!”.
So; as an exercise, why don’t we just assume that Phil Twyford and Labour ARE racist to the core? We can mentally stick big RACIST stickers on their foreheads and feel satisfied that justice has been done – and then we can go back and look at the issue – which is that the NZ real estate market is being distorted by foreign capital.
Based on this data is seems pretty likely that is, so, now that Phil Twyford has been called out for his devious behaviour does anyone have any ideas about what to about this housing problem?
I already gave my tuppence worth on that front.
The problem is that property can be used to make money.
Limit max rents so that a renter doesn’t wind up paying off another persons mortgage – easily done.
Scrap accommodation allowances – that are essentially a landlord subsidy – and introduce very strong tenant protections.
Housing market crashes. End of problem.
And anyone who squeals as their investment becomes….a home. Well…
And it wasn’t worth that much.
Not worth tuppence? Oh well.
The only real argument you put up was that drawing up some formula linked to GV couldn’t mean that a renter wouldn’t pay a mortgage…eventually.
What time scale you think is reasonable (that rent wouldn’t equate with a purchase price)? 20 years? 40 years?
No problem with very robust tenancy rights and abolishing rent subsidies though, right?
(sigh) And till not worth tuppence…
Feel free to attack me directly Aaron, I asked for solutions – look at my posts across this day.
The only person I’m calling a racist is the twit who should have know better. Quite frankly, no I not happy about calling a so called left wing MP a racist. As a matter of fact, it sickens me – that in the 21st century a labour MP thinks its’ OK to play the race card.
As for solutions – We just take the houses – any empty house we occupy. Stop paying rent, and stop paying mortgages.
But that’s to simple – ask a policy wonk – they will come up a convoluted solution that take years to implement, and won’t work anyway.
“As for solutions – We just take the houses – any empty house we occupy. Stop paying rent, and stop paying mortgages.
Ah , the Greek policy- thats certain to work isnt it
Since when I have ever identified with Labour?
You missed the by some who? hey-ho.
1. Yes you did as soon as the limited data available became known you accused someone using that data to highlight the problem of being racist
2. Twyford is not my mate
I go with Lanth’s opinion that Twyford deliberately pushed and emphasised the Chinese angle on the issue. That’s the racism card.
Ideology before rationalism eh Adam?
Specifically? I’m confused by your assertion
Calling a spade a spade – and yes this is a very racist term from my Grandfathers generation, some people, however, now consider it OK?
The comments by the MP were based on reasonable data analysis. Cigarette companies argued for years to obfuscate correlation.
Not at all. The policy is race neutral and applies to all non residents. Currently because of the huge amounts of surplus money the Chinese banks have the vast majority of the investment is coming from one particular country. But it does not matter who is actually creating the problem the problem must be addressed. And while we are on the subject I would love to see decreased reliance on Australian banks for our mortgages. Pointing this out is no anti Australian.
I don’t have any problem with the policy mickysavage, indeed as far as policy goes labour and the greens is well thought out. And I think I’ve been quite clear I’m not having a go at labour for it’s policy.
What I have a problem with, is people who have rushed to defend an MP who used race, and peoples racism to push an agenda. Especially, when that MP had more than one opportunity to extended the debate and chose not to. It’s not about Chinese’s, Koreans, or Malaysians. It’s about a whole slue of Transnational investment, which keeps us locked down, and fighting amongst each other.
Adam, this just does not help. It was one way to attempt a measure for a long suspected issue. It can appear unsavoury, but you have to put it in context. Do we really have evidence that this MP is a bigot? And in turn those that defend him?
Indeed, look at what he said and how he said it. and what he chose not to say. And the fact is off shore speculation is spread across the globe. But, he chose to stick with Chinese as the target, rather than broaden it out.
It’s a start Adam, and it is the elephant in the room, we have to be honest with ourselves, it is not unreasonable to use Chinese surnames to base a analysis on considering New Zealand’s known demographics.
It’s bloody easy to be offended, not so to work towards telling, or attempt to tell, the truth.
Yes, and the “issues of the day” change over time, for many reasons. In the 70’s it was all “dancing cossacks”. Such a concern would be quaint these days. The current housing problem in Auckland was built up over decades of mal-investment into Auckland housing and infrastructure by both the private and public sectors. Similarly, the Auckland housing market concerns truly kicked into high gear 2-3 years ago, when the Australian economy started circling the drain and immigration inflows, largely going to Auckland, picked up.
If you have some evidence that shows British people are buying up 40% of houses in Auckland despite making up 9% of the resident population, please present it and we’ll talk about that.
I suspect you’ll have difficulty in getting such evidence, because the government has refused to collect it in any official capacity, and if you were to try and do an ethnicity analysis based on the information the Labour party got leaked, you wouldn’t be able to draw any conclusions, due to the fact that people of European descent with European surnames make up the largest part of the Auckland resident population.
I agree pointing the finger at only one group is racist. Stating facts about one group – because they’re the only facts that are available – is not in itself racist.
“I agree pointing the finger at only one group is racist. Stating facts about one group – because they’re the only facts that are available – is not in itself racist.”
But the way this has played out is. The MP chose not to widen the debate to all international investors, but chose to stay on target with one community.
“If you have some evidence that shows British people are buying up 40% of houses in Auckland despite making up 9% of the resident population, please present it and we’ll talk about that.”
Again stuck with anecdotal evidence.Most of my friends and me having asked, (very nicely may I add), the real estate agents who are running the property, who actually owns the property. It’s mainly Australians, then English, plus some Irish. This is over moving around a bit and having quite a few landlords and different rental companies.
Good stuff adam – well explained.
QFT
I’ve always quite liked Phil Twford have even voted for him as local MP.
However, this quite overt dogwhistle is yet another reason why I will never vote for the Labour party.
the whole sorry episode has been beautifully dissected a number of times now at public address.
http://publicaddress.net/speaker/identification-strategy-now-its-personal/
“Guys, this is not what I meant. Thanks for listening but, to employ an ancient saying of my culture, UR DOING IT RONG. And thank you Keith Ng , for so forcefully explaining many of the reasons why it is wrong, in the manner of a genteel professor tearing your face off and shoving it down your throat in a white-hot stats rage. ”
” Since I stopped being the shouty Asian girl on Public Address, I moved to London, studied quantitative research methodologies, and became better at maths than Keith. So I have stats rage/race rage confusion on a daily basis.”
LOL
And same to you, only I hope it doesn’t mysteriously print twice this time (not that I mind the emphasis)
[Fixed! TRP]
Thanks for this post.
Needs to be said.
Even New Zealand First won’t go so far as promoting an end to ALL sales of land to foreigners.
If you don’t live here, there’s zero need for you to own land here. In terms of housing in NZ, New Zealand owes nothing to foreigners, we have no responsibility to look after them at all.
Our government does however have a responsibility to govern in the best interests of New Zealanders.
We need a political party to have the guts to come up with a policy of ZERO land sales to foreigners. Any loopholes will be exploited. No loopholes. No exceptions.
And it wouldn’t actually be hard to do. Simply require a NZ passport, NZ birth certificate or permanent residency stamp in a foreign passport for a sale to go through. Every time. And that would allow NZers who go overseas for however long they like to still own property to come home to.
For residential land, I pretty much agree.
But for industrial / farm land there could still be cases where foreign ownership, balancing up all considerations, is acceptable. So I support Labour’s policy to make it essentially at the minister’s discretion.
Why? It brings absolutely no benefit to NZ but lots of detriment as NZers get priced out of their own home.
I think commercial investment should be allowed – that been said, farmland should be leasehold only – if at all – preferable for the land ownership to remain in NZ hands with the business usage in a commercial partnership a la China. What’s wrong with that for a useful business venture? – If a commercial potential partners didn’t like those terms you might think that they were more interested capital gains on the land.
Draco,
Are you promoting a new Left policy to ban all international investment?
After all in many specialist industrial processes the industrial owner has to buy the land in order to build the building being used for the relevant process.
At least even Labour is not that daft. They know a policy of compulsory leasehold is tantamount to saying to international long term investors that New Zealand is closed for business.
Globalisation and neo-liberalism has really benefited most NZers, hasn’t it, Wayne?
Or are you only aware of the nouveau riche in NZ who have gained from the looting of Aotoeroa?
Yip, let’s have the Government own all the houses, land, factories and businesses. That will work, Paul.
If its a foreign operator, then the land can be leased by them for a 50 year term, but it would stay NZ owned land.
It’d probably work better than private ownership which is now returning to outright plutocracy and feudalism and bringing the inevitable poverty and collapse of society that such systems always bring.
50 year lease is fine, Wayne.
That doesn’t mean that the industrial owner needs to be foreign.
They appear to be as daft as you and National on this one. Foreign ownership and investment is bad for NZ.
China uses compulsory leasehold and seems to be doing quite well.
Of course, all we should be open for is trade. Selling off our land and businesses brings us no benefit.
The problem with that is it creates an exception. The simplest, cleanest way (and less bureaucratic way) to solve the problem of foreign ownership is to have NO exceptions. Otherwise the loopholes will be exploited and it won’t work.
If a foreign company must operate here they can lease land. And we don’t need to sell our farm land to foreigners, it just means that the profits flow overseas.
Farm land is about as important as homes to live in. Its land we grow food on to feed ourselves, and land from which we produce products for export.
And at a ministers discretion? I guess you have more faith in our leaders than I. Because I don’t trust them. Not one. There’s too much money in NZ politics, and it’s only getting worse.
Ok, so more regulations and bureaucracy. And for what? So some slanty-eyes can’t own property here? How about South Africans, Yanks, Poms, Indians, Hollywood movie stars and obese internet crooks? Can’t have them buying land.
Nothing in the policy suggests it would just bee targeted at people from China, Kevin. Oh, and just by the way, Kim Dot Com didn’t get permission to buy his mansion – it’s a rental. This doesn’t really matter in terms of the flow of argument, but does perhaps suggest that you should calm down and do just a little bit of research before spewing your bile down the wire.
Shut up Kevin – it’s not like you have to have a government department solely to check IRD and residency or company domicile status – it’s in place already.
I prefer the terms chingalings, yarpies, sepo’s, coonass, and curry munchers. Just personally, as a racist. Oh and fetter Mann for the lard-arse German.
What a load of tosh. On average Auckland properties are not selling for outrageous prices – on average they’re selling for a fair price. What happens is that some run down old hovel sells for a few million for whatever crazy reason and the newspapers put it on the front page as evidence that the property market is out of control. Yes, there are Chinese buyers out there but their influence is far less than what this xenophobic scare job by Labour makes out.
The only load of tosh around here seems to be the BS that you’re spewing.
@Kevin
I gather you don’t live in Auckland then? Because if you did, you would know that everything you wrote was utter bullshit.
Yeah nah, 10 x income? It’s not New York, or London… Stuff the National History Museum… it’s happening at Motat!
Arse end of the world with these prices? I worry about when one of these buyers comes for a visit and realises Barfoot and Crooksons or Harcrooks advertising was… well, shonkey to say the least.
National do not plan for us to be tenants in our own country. They were thinking more along the lines of serfs.
If this is the start of trying to get the redneck vote has no one in Labour realised that there are far more Asians living and voting in NZ than rednecks. Also no matter how much Labour tries to play the despicable race card they will always be outbid by Winston.
As a Green voter, I’d be pretty pissed off if Labour were playing the race card. All you have to do is convince me that ethnicity has something to do with it.
Many more rednecks than Asians I’m afraid – but you miss the point.
This was a calculated risk from Labour. Looking at the Stuff comments yesterday, it might have actually paid off.
Rednecks struggle to read the ballot paper. Or remember to vote. Careful what you wish for.
rubbish …. how do you think key got back?
And there… lies your problem. Snob.
I’ve never commented here before but this outburst made me so mad I had to say something.
There are two things here and people are missing the point. One is the policy itself. The other is the method of delivery.
The policy of limiting property sales to foreign investors is possibly correct. I would probably vote for it under certain conditions. Not because of racism. But because it takes some pressure off the local housing market.
The method of delivery on the other hand was definitely racists. It used shoddy statistics to rise up anti-Chinese sentiment to push a political policy. Why single them out? Why just push the Chinese mantra?
Seems judging from social media plenty of people have jumped on the racist bandwagon. I’ve seen people talk about their Chinese landlords like they’re scum – but not realize with all these interactions they’re probably New Zealand residents like you or I.
The Labour Party and many on here supported civil rights in recent years. You’ve stood up for the rights of minorities and shamed those who have been bigoted, racist or homophobic. But now people are jumping to Twyford’s defense. They’re justifying the racism. This is disgusting and it makes me glad I quit the Labour Party.
Te Reo Putake, the author, is not the Labour Party.
So the argument isn’t based on ethnicity, is it.
That’s both your assertions looking shaky.
Twyford pointed the finger at Chinese during his interview, and missed many chances to take the focus off Chinese and generalise the case.
thanks for your post TRP – you set out the matters correctly. Labour is NOT playing the race card on this matter. Auckland housing prices have gone thru the roof, and most Aucklanders know that the majority players at house auctions are people coming in from China. And it is more than time that the Government acknowledged this and took some real action to prevent it continuing. That is why Labour is bringing this issue to the foreground : to try and get some real action on it.
Explaining or excusing is losing. Politics 101
So if you need to have things explained to you you’re a winner. That explains a lot.
Agree Jenny Kirk and my thanks also to trp for this post.
I first heard about this issue some two years ago from a real estate agent I knew at a personal level. I concluded this person was a racist. Then I had a brain fart and put my home on the market. Fortunately common sense prevailed and I removed it from the market after only a few weeks. But not before I witnessed with my own eyes what was happening. The only people who showed any real interest were Asian – most from mainland China or Hong Kong and one from Korea. I found them unfriendly and aloof – nothing like the permanent residents from China I had come to know and socialised with on occasion. It dawned on me later they were almost certainly agents or proxies for off-shore clients. That was the point I realised my estate agent friend was right. There was a real problem in Auckland and it was likely to get worse.
I venture to suggest that some of the people shouting racism on this site – and elsewhere – are at the point I was at two years ago.
+100 Anne
Uh, no. No one is suggesting that hot money pouring in from China is not causing major distortions in the Auckland property market.
It has been, for years.
What I am suggesting is that Labour has tactlessly, provocatively and ineptly created a racist wolf whistle based on what is a very real problem.
I also think that Labour has caused itself some serious damage with a major part of NZ’s resident ethnic population. But it seems quite OK with that.
It’s not a dog whistle CV! That’s when something is implied and we’re left to connect the dots. cf Orewa. At least Twyford had the guts to be specific and show his workings. He has identified a really significant problem that is causing resident New Zealanders to no longer be able to afford to buy a house. That’s not dog whistling, it’s being upfront, even if it’s uncomfortable.
Can you just clarify how he got his info for me please TRP. All I can find is what is in the MSM and have trouble just accepting that.
They are saying that he got a list of buyer names from one real estate company and counted the number of Chinese sounding names and used that to determine the percentage of Chinese buyers.
I know of course that this wouldn’t be the case as that would simply be the most shoddy method of looking at the data as it doesn’t take into account resident NZers whoe have Chinese names. To just assume someone was a Chinese buyer based upon their name would be silly and racist.
Thanks in advance.
There’s a couple of links in the first sentence of the post, crashcart. The second goes into the methodology, but this is how I understand it (bear in mind, I’m not a statistician):
Leaked data shows that a large real estate company has sold 4000 houses in Ak in a 3 month period. 40% went to people with surnames that appear to be ethnic Chinese. The top twenty most common of those names are ethnic Chinese. 10% of Aucklanders have Chinese ethnicity. It follows that either that 10% bought, on average, 4 houses each in that 3 month period or, more likely, the vast majority of those sales were from non resident people with ethnic Chinese surnames.
The methodology seems pretty sound and was externally reviewed, and amended as a result, before the announcement was made.
If I recall my maths correctly, 40% of 4000 is 1600. Now, the 2013 census states that there are 118,230 chinese persons living in the Auckland region. Even if all those properties were being sold to NZ based chinese, that is still only 1 house per 73 Auckland based chinese residents.
This is not to say there isn’t a problem with overseas money pouring in, but making unsound arguments doesn’t help the cause.
You need to finish the equation. Assuming you’re correct so far, 1 in 73 bought a house in that 3 month period. Or, 1 in 18 on a yearly basis. And all from the one real estate firm. Does that sound realistic to you?
I love it how you always come up with some anecdote that strangely perfectly aligns with the labour party spin du jour. It’s so eery how uncannily your experiences always tally with labours needs for support on almost any issue.
Nothing to see… move along.
Perhaps the answer is to ban all non-Chinese NZers from selling their houses to Chinese buyers – at supposedly inflated prices. Shouldn’t we be blaming the greedy sellers?
I can’t understand how houses are described as unaffordable when they are being snapped up and buyers are lining up.
The point is that they are unaffordable for New Zealanders. Home ownership used to be the NZ dream. Not so much these days.
duh..they are unaffordable for the average ,aspirational employed NZ citizen.Try going to ..say China and becoming an absentee landlord…why..do you think ..they don’t allow it?racism”..or
“The Greens say nothing on overseas speculation”
Actually, they say this in the introduction to their Trade and Foreign Ownership policy,
https://home.greens.org.nz/policy/summary/trade
and this from the full policy,
https://home.greens.org.nz/policy/trade
Cheers, Weka!
Labour has fucked up on this one, in a dozen small and big ways. I think this will become clear in the polls and in other ways over the next month or two.
Really? How about this “demonstrable fact” – Blacks do worse than whites in intelligence tests. And that is very easily a racist statement in many contexts.
This statement expresses utterly no understanding about the Chinese community, Chinese culture or the Chinese identity. Perhaps its time that Labour bothers to get some Asians into its caucus and its senior party ranks so it has some idea.
And why call this post the “China Crisis”?: if Chinese money flooding into Auckland is a “crisis” then it has been going on for over a decade. And the situation has far more to do with the decisions made by the ruling elite of NZ, and very little to do with the decisions made by the ruling elite of China.
Very good comment cv. The demonstrable fact is that it is racism.
“This statement expresses utterly no understanding about the Chinese community, Chinese culture or the Chinese identity.”
why bother with that stuff – they look different, sound different, are different – end of. /sarc
“The demonstrable fact is that it is racism.”
Except that it doesn’t seem to meet the definition of racism, mm. And I haven’t read a decent argument that puts the case that it does, so far. I included a link to the definition in the post hoping that someone would try and do exactly that and it would be great if someone could go beyond ‘the vibe’ or ‘it just is’ to explain why it is racist.
+1
Its not even close to racism. Large groups of right wingers who don’t give a shit for the poor and vulnerable who cant afford houses in Auckland will think that foreign nationals who purchase up Auckland housing stock are deserving, industrious hard workers. These people will actually look up to this group. That’s why it isn’t racism.
In my view, Twyford/Labour are doing this for the people who cant afford housing in Auckland, which is absolutely the right thing for Labour to do.
“Large groups of right wingers who don’t give a shit for the poor and vulnerable who cant afford houses in Auckland will think that foreign nationals who purchase up Auckland housing stock are deserving, industrious hard workers. These people will actually look up to this group. That’s why it isn’t racism.”
If I let you into the world I once lived in, what you’ve just described is a version of the racism that lives there. Unless your description is incomplete.
You know what will enrage victims of racism the most? That the goodwill sometimes extended to them, that the hope they’re “allowed” to dream the pakeha dream and participate in a certain way, well that’s the smiling happy face of racism. Want to test it? Just do something culturally correct (to your culture, or co-incidentally negatively stereotypical) and see. Stereotyping someone as a ne’er do well on one hand, then an industrious go-getter on the other, all because of racial indentity… it’s all racism – just the thinner less-arguable end of the wedge. They aren’t looking up to those people – they’re using them as props in their own ideology, examples of how if even the “natives” can do it (at extreme cost to their own values/ethnicity/identity), it must be true and right. Letting people be people whoever they are, that’s the only neutral position. Thinking better or worse, as measured by an opposing cultural perspective (that perspective as central by right) … racism. It’s not much of a fall from industrious to lazy. Sorry to tell you that. If it’s any consolation, when I found out I used to do it, the result was that my world got colder and smaller – less hopeful. No one likes sudden dips into reality much.
I have called it racism because the call out from Twyford (privileged) identified a group (chinese) based upon their last name (racial profiling) and this group was blamed (othering) for the problems other people (not the identified race/ethnic group) were/are experiencing. They were blamed when the problem is known to have deep, complex, historic and systemic origins (scapegoating).
You’ve become stuck in the detail and have lost sight of the big picture MM. This is a case of very wealthy foreigners buying up Auckland real estate increasing the rental costs and housing costs of Aucklanders. Any half arsed analyst would have drawn the same conclusions from the Barfoot and Thompson data as Twyford did.
Ive experienced racism and I can assure you, this aint it.
I just can’t stand the ineptitude and foolishness of presenting the information in the way it was presented when it didn’t need to be done that way UNLESS it was deliberate, and I can believe that it was, not just because it has worked for some in the past.
How else could it have been done? Is there an issue with Chinese sounding last names buying a disproportionate number of central Auckland residential properties gauged against known Chinese residents/citizens and referenced against Indian, European, etc. last names/resident status.
This really does put the average NZer off left leaning intelligentsia, and that is why it is being marginalised by the media. It’s plain, and open fodder.
left leaning intelligentsia? – I’d be offended if I wasn’t feeling so chuffed.
“Chinese sounding last names” lol – come on even you must be embarrassed by that precise description.
Ok Marty, I understand, black and white it is, maybe I should just fall into my usual milky face cheese armpit ice monkey and chingaling routine. You win.
what a load of subjective rubbish!Even Chinese immigrants that are now NZ citizens acknowledge that chinese ‘investors’ are ramping Auckland property prices.Since the GFC ,caused by western financial machinations the Q.E of western nations has lead to the excess of printed’ money seeking hard assets ,as interest rates are almost negative.Couple this with ‘hot money’ and money laundering and you get what we’ve got in the most regulation free property market in the world.The Chinese premier supplied 450 names of chinese fraudsters supposedly active in donating to National,oops I mean resident in NZ…what action has been taken to identify them and hold them to account?
‘chinese ‘investors’ ramping Auckland property prices’ are a symptom of the problem not the cause – getting rid of every fucking single one of them will not FIX the problem – it is systemic, cyclic and caused by GREED, capitalism, western excess and idiotic lifestyles and behaviour. Focusing the issue on these ‘chinese ‘investors’ ramping Auckland property prices’ is an almost guaranteed way to ensure the REAL problems and issues don’t get addressed – why should they when those ‘others’ have caused it all.
Yep. And I also can’t wait for the next idiot to lecture me on what is anti-Chinese racism and what isn’t.
I’ve been thinking that.
The whole “it’s not racism” thing completely obscures the many forms and ways that racism exists and is practiced in NZ, consciously and unconsciously.
Massive missed opportunity for the lefties here to take a step back and learn something from the people in this thread who have politics that are informed directly by their own experiences of race and racism.
Cheers, marty. I disagree, because he was pretty specific that the problem was money from China, not Chinese people.
Thanks for that careful analysis MM of why yes, it pretty much is racism – or at least a racist dog whistle – that Labour has provided the MSM with.
So te reo putake do you think Twyford knows that non-Asian transnational investors buy properties across Auckland? And do you think he understands the power dynamics within Aotearoa? Do you also think that he works in a state free form structural and institutionalised, lets say, short comings? Now do you also think the only form of racism is the overt kind – you know the baiting/slurs and outright bigotry we see from the likes of skin heads and the members of rigorous right wing? And finally does MP Twyford hold a position of privileged?
Mostly yes’s, adam. What’s your point?
My point, then by your own wiki definition Twyford used his position to play, the race card. Now I’m not say you have, or anyone else has, I’m not saying the labour party has – all I’m saying is Twyford did. He played the card, when he did not have too. It’s also in what he did not say, when he had the chance. He could have change tack, he chose not to.
I’ve had enough, really, if people want to support Twyford – go for it. Just realise, some of us think he’s a racist twit.
He’s lucky he gets to wake up Hwite every day.
My final word on this, as you can only puck so many times in one day.
Well this is relevant CV
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jul/12/chinas-rich-seek-shelter-from-stock-market-storm-in-foreign-property?CMP=share_btn_tw
+100 Saarbo
Saarbo, I am absolutely for the concept that there is hot money from China and other money printing jurisdictions, distorting our housing market esp in AKL.
I am against the clumsy inept dog whistling way Labour has raised the issue.
Fair enough CV, but the Nat’s aren’t concerned about house prices in Auckland/or land prices anywhere for that matter…in fact they are encouraging it. Someone has presented this data to Twyford, its not perfect but it is compelling and unfortunately there is going to be some collateral damage…if it leads to laws against foreign ownership of NZ land…then in my view, its worth it.
No doubt Labour thinks from its internal polling that this was the tact to take on this issue.
I think it will backfire in their faces over the next few polls, personally.
It’s a start Mr CV, we can idealise away to our hearts content… there IS an issue, it’s about Sovereignty above all else, and welfare of all NZ’ers. How else do you get the message across? A Mike Hoskins investigation?
I’m waiting to see if Labour has an actual plan to follow on from what I regard as Twyford’s inept and badly judged issue launch.
maybe after being polite for the last year and then some, Mr Twyford just thought fuck it, i’m gonna be clumsy, inept and badly judge an issue launch…….but I fucking launch the issue. This is more than a lot have done in the last years of housing madness that is leaving up to 60 % of the population as tenants of rotting housing stock (private and state), or worse living rough.
There are many many instances of Phil Twyford on Q&A and in articles in our esteemed Fishwrap Papers where he calls for more transparency and data on how many houses have been consented too, have been build, have been opened to tenants/owners and how many houses have been sold to overseas interest. Guess what, the answer…….Crickets.
So yes, if he manages to force National in a. acknowledging that the market is not working for Joe and Jane Sixpack, and b. that maybe all that foreign investment into our residential and commercial real estate does make us in the long term tenants with no benefits to the country, then that is a good thing.
But in the meantime lets sing Kumbaya and complain that someone raised an issue that has been rumored and discussed for at least a few years, and that will raise tensions in the community if not addressed.
Well to the chorus of “labour” is not doing enough, too much, too polite, not angry enough, add racism. Well done, and you guys still wonder why we are getting screwed over by the highest bidder.
Gosh, this country is fucked, truly and utterly fucked.
You make a good point here Sabine, which is that left unchecked, this policy of see no evil, hear no evil will damaged race relations in this country 100 fold in the years to come.
+ 1 CV
Perhaps if all those defending this racial profiling research by Rob Salmond and the press release from Twyford read the following they may get a hint of the effect on a New Zealander with a Chinese name.
https://nzcoop.wordpress.com/2015/07/12/a-chen-by-any-other-name/
My Māori and Pacific Island friends get stopped by the police far more often than my white friends and they have to pay before filling up at petrol stations when I do not have to. Chinese and Korean friends get abused in the street and told to go back home. Why? Because they do not look caucasian.
By all means ban non-resident ownership of houses and farming land, but don’t target the Chinese because their names make it easy to do so.
CV, see 19 (below)
We are the top money laundering site in the South Pacific.
Criminal money does not have a nationality, but once our country is drowning in it it is extraordinarily difficult to get rid of. These thugs have no qualms about making politicians and judges “an offer they can’t refuse.”
God defend New Zealand, because we’ve done a shit job of doing it ourselves.
Indeed
NZ is a top site of both legal and illegal international money laundering/asset hiding
Absolutely – but don’t burst our non-corruption bubble. Our clean image and lax regulation means we are deliberately targeted.
I know some rich Chinese (Let me say they are very nice people, doesn’t sound racist eh?). They have bought some investment properties here and hubby works in China their son drives a Lamborghini I kid you not! My humble opinion this country is stuffed. Why? our young people can’t afford to buy house because prop speculating was never stopped and they’re fucked by student loans and low wages.
Stupid fuckwit governments have been told over and over again,NZ first for new zealanders not,not foreigners, and they do nothing they just suck on the poisonous teat of neoliberalism.
Johnm – it’s New Zealand for rich New Zealanders/Globalist Elites – times have changed, stuff your sense of fairness, justice and down right commie socialist utopia… stop complaining scum… just work harder (and hide your societal moral compass) you loser, oh, and don’t be racist (unless you talk about Maori bludgers).
What’s that on the bottom of my shoe?
John Minto:
” What we need is an outright ban on foreigners owning land or houses in New Zealand, a tough capital gains tax to drive local speculators and investors out of the housing market and a massive state house building programme to meet the housing quality and affordability crisis where it’s having its most devastating impact – on low income New Zealand tenants and families. ” – See more at: http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2015/07/13/national-playing-the-reverse-race-card-on-housing/#sthash.4uDzdYa2.dpuf
Thanks Johnm, this was a salient point:
“National knows this is happening but is so desperate to keep house prices artificially large (the growth of house prices makes home-owning middle class families feel wealthier and more supportive towards National) that it refuses to collect the data that would reveal the extent of the problem”.
It is a bubble – but people want to think their retirement years are going to be well financed, or they are mortgaged to the hilt and have a hell of a lot to lose.
Bullshit way to win votes. And a bit of a fuck the kids scenario. To be honest though, Labour should and could have done something about this. Globally I reckon they’ll try to push this for another 30 years to stack up fiat currencies, just think about the amount of monies created out of family homes.
You know the other thing is wages/salaries? Why are NZ’s so low?
+1
A friend of mine is a property investor and a landlord, has a very Chinese name, and by gosh he even looks Chinese.
I believe he has significantly expanded his Auckland portfolio over the last few years.
His family have been here since 1858.
Can’t see this current tactic convincing him to vote Labour.
Can’t see this current tactic convincing him to vote Labour.
Course not. He’s a greedy tory through and through and the only time he would ever vote Labour is if he was offered a million bucks to do so.
+100 Anne.
The real point is that Labour has pretty much guaranteed that East Asians (Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, Taiwanese) will not be voting for Labour for quite some time to come.
National knows about this only too well. Quite a few Pacific Islanders still raise the dawn raids, which are now nearly 40 years ago. National now has a number of Pacific Island MP’s, but it took a long time to rebuild trust among the Pacifica community.
Wayne, Labour has no idea how deeply it has screwed itself here, all in search of a very temporary bump in the polls.
What will be interesting is what National’s internal Auckland polling tells them over the coming week.
As you would know Wayne most East Asians (Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, Taiwanese) are politically conservative or they don’t participate in the electoral process at all. Therefore it is fair to say that the majority who do vote are more likely to be National voters. Add to that, the propensity of many Chinese to vote for incumbent governments (because they assume it will be of personal benefit to themselves in the same way it tended to be in their country of origin) then I’m picking this was not of paramount importance for Phil Twyford and Labour.
As a resident of the North Shore (and former MP for the electorate) you would also be aware that the issue has been of paramount concern on the Shore for some considerable time. In light of that, are you big enough to accept that Twyford has shown much courage in highlighting the problem, knowing he would be trampled underfoot by those who – for whatever reason – don’t want the matter to be brought to the public’s attention?
Actually, I think many ordinary resident ‘East Asians’ may/will actually agree and support Twyford’s view as they themselves are finding it too hard to buy a house. It is the overseas investors that are pushing up the demand and hence the fast accelerating prices due to pathetic supply. To know this for sure, this present useless government should open an overseas owners register immediately (and even give retrospective information for the last six years too). I fail to understand see why this clueless government has announced the very bare minimum and that too from next OCTOBER onwards ! Why not at least from now on immediately? What are Key, Smith and the government scared of?
Non-doms can’t vote, Wayne.
Truth is, they probably don’t care – you’re not going to win from the “he’s good with numbers” cult key.
so what!
Or he could be a highly respected community leader from a longstanding hard working family that has made an enormous contribution to the community they have been in continuously for 157 years ?
Perhaps you’d like to come down to Otago and start bad mouthing him and his family in the manner you have just done Anne, and see what reaction you get?
Baaa
Fine if he’s borrowing his money from local institutions under the same conditions as other Kiwis.
Is he?
Like the other Nat-lite ladder-kickers, and lost people you have been sucked into the dumbed down framing of the problem.
There are plenty who will be listening to see where Phil Twyford’s courageous action leads.
+100 Weepus beard
Agree, most courageous thing Labour has done for years, Twyford must keep fighting this one for the poor and vulnerable who are renting houses in Auckland.
The working poor are paying a huge amount of their income in rent in Auckland, unfortunately their “inflation” is not the CPI for the rest of us, it is the 6% to 10% increase in their rentals per annum.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11425034
“The most courageous thing Labour has done for years”
LOL how fucked is the party if pointing fingers at minority groups qualifies for that
Yep, overly simplistic. Labour has to fight for the poor/vulnerably renters in south Auckland.
This group http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jul/12/chinas-rich-seek-shelter-from-stock-market-storm-in-foreign-property?CMP=share_btn_tw can take a run and jump, they don’t need Labour’s help. Nats will look after them though.
Does he care for the 1000’s of Aucklanders sleeping in cold un-insulated garages in south Auckland because they cant afford ever increasing rents??? That is the issue here.
Baaa…
Of course he won’t vote Labour……..like he ever would ? More mileage to be had out of membership of the Cabinet Club and the corruption inherent in it. Ever sat down with your friend and canvassed his honest feelings about Maori and Polynesian ? I suspect that’d knock your studied “I hate racism !” fleece off your lost back. Or maybe not for the reason that these racism charges are but snotty construct.
Fine if he’s borrowing his money from local institutions under the same conditions as other Kiwis.
Is he?
Yes.
There are plenty who will be listening to see where Phil Twyford’s courageous action leads.
It leads to Winston Peters.
No problem then. “Your friend” is a local speculator rather than a foreign one. His activity will be addressed in the fullness of time.
Meanwhile, the pressing point, in case you missed it, is foreign capital distorting the Auckland residential market.
You did miss it, but the looks.
I take it you consider anything not Auckland based to be ‘foreign’?
New Zealand is a huge money laundering site. Dirty money doesn’t have a nationality.
1. Anyone from anywhere can buy real estate here: drug lords, arms dealers, tax evaders, scam artists.
2. One of John Key’s first actions was to remove the limit on how much money can be put into a NZ trust in any year. (Used to be $23,000 a year.)
3. Profits in a NZ trusts that does not have a NZ beneficiary are free from any NZ taxes.
Have you got the picture yet? Example: Bring $100 million of dirty money from overseas. Set up a trust. Buy and sell real estate with no taxes owed. No taxes owed means no IRD checks on who you are, where the money came from, and where you send it from here.
We are the money laundering capital of the South Pacific. It’s not the Chinese, it’s the criminal underworld driving up real estate prices.
Nice work, John Key. Probably a little trick you learned at Merrill Lynch. Nice work Labour and MSM for not exposing it. Ask Cactus Kate for further details.
+1
No banks have ever laundered money – HSBC no?
the entire list of them…Citi, Deutsche Bank, Wachovia, a list of Swiss banks for the Nazis, etc.
Business as usual in that industry
Thanks for those details AmaKiwi. It sounds rotten to the core. I guess this is what is meant by NZ as a ‘world financial centre.’
foreign ownership of new Zealand is absolutely a problem.
but TRP claiming no racism in this circumstance …… and asking for a wee definition of ‘racism’ ….. ha ha what a frikkin laugh…. still like this after so many years ………
self-justification is truly a sight to behold
I didn’t ask for a definition, I provided one. It’s in the post. And, weird as it may seem to you, what Twyford has done doesn’t meet the definition of racism. Though, marty mars has come as close as anyone to showing why it could be seen that way, so kudos to him.
The housing bubble in auckland is also affecting other parts of the economy – no matter how tempting that job in Auckland looks who can afford to move there to do it. And frankly companies who are beset with hiring problems in Auckland have been very slow to shift staff away to other locations.
just think though folks, when this wave of Chinese money stops (which it absolutely will) property prices will tank and you can all feast again…
… until the next lot arrive from the next boom-bust place
if property prices ‘tank’ the private banks would become insolvent….with their rapacious ,one track lending practices reliant on created ‘money’ a 25-30% adjustment could spell disaster!;)except of course they would be bailed out ..AGAIN…and the hoi polloi would take a hit..AGAIN!
@ vto “property prices will tank and you can all feast again”
Yeah right, a Greek feast.
1. A lot of locals will get badly burned because they bought at the market top. The value of their properties will nosedive. But they’ll still owe the mortgage, which they could never afford in the first place.
2. When the borrower can’t pay off the debt, the lender has to eat it. Our banks are drowning in property loans. Will the NZ taxpayers agree to bail out Aussie owned banks who suck billions a year out of us? Not me, thank you.
Funny how this isn’t racist yet pointing out some prison and crime stats suddenly is.
I love the lefts way of thinking.
Depends to what purpose it’s sought to put those stats. If it’s to lambast brown and poor and to gloss over racism/classism/poverty and contrive oneself as the victim, it clearly is racist.
If it’s to speak to the palpable reality that racism/classism/poverty is a major contributor to those stats, it’s clearly not.
Sticks out like dogs’ balls that your purpose is the former. Infused…….the ‘New Nelson Mandela’…….give us a Tui’s break mate.
Kiaora koutou
Twyford has been called courageous because he did a Winnie – used race to conjure up nationalist fervour.
The only people who are tenants in their own country are Maori. Maori home ownership rates hover about 28%
A new study published earlier this year concluded that if you looked or sounded overtly Maori or Pasifika you were less likely to get a mortgage.
I personally think we should ban Europeans from owning property in this country – they are too racist by far.
Well of course Maori are not the only ones who are tenants in their own country… but I see the point you make and it is a good one.
Just like all peoples everywhere, the community is stronger and better if the people who live on the land own the land.
Absent landlordism is simply shit and I have no idea why people do not acknowledge this base facet of human existence (to do with greed probably).
Kiaora vto
Nice to see you. I agree with most of what you say.
Big deal. The really vicious issue they are all resoundingly silent on is the TPPA. Once this treasonous deal is in place we will all be servants/slaves/tenants on multiple levels but any noise on this issue? Don’t hold your breath.
Exactly.
Come on Labour.
If you can cry and stomp your feet on this then in order to keep any credibility you need to do the same with the TPPA.
……. waiting
‘Hear Hear !!!’ at 26.1 VTO.
And to Adele……it sickens me that long term practitioners both subliminally and consciously of base racism against Maori are suddenly the ones clutching their pearls and screeching “Racist !” at those daring to alert to wells of cheap foreign investment money. Money which in the broad picture simply cements the picture of Maori as long, long, long term victims of racism.
Underlines their bastard contempt for Maori.
This cheap foreign investment money and the TPPA are peas in the same pod, the object being to create within these shores a wildly profitable financial playground for the rich, from wherever they come !
+100 North
@ North and Adele…a “contempt for Maori” which is very much misplaced and shows up the arrogance of many other so called advanced races
….because the Old traditional Maori (like the Tibetans and American Indians and Aborigines )
…. were/are very ecologically aware
…. and did not overpopulate
…..and women had standing
…. and this applies to the TPPA…we need to think local and support local and live within our means and national country ecology…
…as Naomi Klein points out in her book on the crisis of climate change ‘This Changes Everything’….”market fundamentalism has, from the very first moments, systematically sabotaged our collective response to climate change…The truth is that if we want to live within ecological limits, we would need to return to a lifestyle similar to the one we had in the 1970s, before consumption levels went crazy in the 1980s.”..”a healthy and moderate lifestyle”…”selective degrowth”…
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11479754
“For many people, the leaked property sale figures reported in the Weekend Herald …… They concluded some time ago that overseas Chinese buyers were behind the boom in the Auckland property market…….”
Interesting editorial in today’s Herald. Maybe its because its based in Auckland that it hasn’t gone “shock, horror, racism” at Phil Twyford raising the tempo on whether or not Chinese out-of-towners are buying up big on Auckland property, but is instead calling for a proper investigation into this matter : just as Phil T, and Labour have been doing for the past couple of years.
TPPA is bad as we all know….and USA foreign policy and corporates tyranny have been dissected at length on this site ( including by me)….but also by some here shouting racism the loudest
….however China also has its problems and those people shouting racism the loudest just about invariably choose to ignore China’s problems…China’s problems could dwarf New Zealand if we let them.
China has a massive overpopulation problem ( 1.4 billion):
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-07/04/content_10055250.htm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alon-tal/overpopulation-is-still-t_b_3990646.html
China has a massive population imbalance between males and females (approx 55 million males more than females by 2020):
http://hir.harvard.edu/archives/8272
China has massive environmental and resource problems:
http://www.livescience.com/27862-china-environmental-problems.html
http://wwf.panda.org/who_we_are/wwf_offices/china/environmental_problems_china/
http://thediplomat.com/2014/11/chinas-looming-water-shortage/
China has spread these problems to Tibet and other countries:
http://freetibet.org/about/tibets-environment
http://www.theatlantic.com/china/archive/2013/05/the-silence-around-tibets-ecological-crisis/275617/
http://www.thetibetpost.com/en/news/tibet/4399-china-says-to-increase-urban-population-in-tibet-30-by-2020
http://www.ibtimes.com/japan-gets-involved-south-china-sea-territorial-dispute-tokyo-offers-maritime-support-1844102
Just been looking back through some of Labour’s narrative back in the 90’s when Winston was on the Asian Invasion bandwagon. What bunch of hypocrites. You couldn’t make this stuff up if you tried. Laughable. This race card by Labour is a disgrace. Shame on you. That said, the main nub of the issue is correct. We should not be letting any foreigners buy our existing houses. If they want to build new houses here, fine. But using racism as the strategic “edge of the wedge”, to get this issue out there, is totally un-Kiwi. It’s quite disgusting actually.
Not a race card to question non-dom ownership of NZ property.
Interesting that you agree with the ACT Party, representatives for the international global corporate elite.
Foreigners buying existing houses is a very bad idea, Chinese or not. Foreigners building new houses is effectively, the same as them investing in a business here. Completely different. Turning some demand off (by stopping foreigners buying existing houses), and turning up supply, by encouraging the building of more new houses is quite a sensible approach. That’s Twyford policy, and it’s a good one. Not sure how the ACT party fits in. If they agree with Twyford’s idea, then good on them, the more the better. It is the race card. Blaming the Chinese is just stupid and racist. He just wanted to give the issue more oxygen, and he knew this would do it. Edit: just mentioning foreigners may have been enough, it did not need the vilification of another minority group in our country to shine a light on this issue.
Leave racism to Winston Peters, Mr Twiford. Mr Little should be telling him just that.
It’s funny how all our friendly trolls are so keen to shut down discussion of non-dom ownership of NZ housing.
Yep. And it appears Twyford has taken that advice right from the start. Nice attempted troll though.
Talking of spin merchants, no doubt Matthew Hooton has prepared his spin on the Auckland housing crisis for 9 to Noon.
Wonder if Mike Williams will rebut his nonsense this time.
Yeah, the spinner for the party that bought us Orewa and Kiwi, not iwi should have some valuable insights, ho ho.
One of the quickest ways of shutting down debate is to accuse your opponent of being sexist or racist.
That is the ACT Party’s plan.
and calling those you disagree with ACT people – pot-black poitics
No there are more than just ACT supporters who are questioning this.
I mentioned the ACT party to remind people who they are lying down in bed with. The extreme right are on your side.
Yeah I have noticed a trail of “ACT” comebacks from Paul over the place. It’s sort of like a dog pissing on lamp post to mark territory, but ends up like sheep droppings, just mindlessly excreted all over The Standard adding no value. Most of the time irrelevant at best, and don’t even make sense at worst. One word. Troll.
Not the best bedfellows to have, Amanda.
Well, as I said, Paul … Twyford’s racist edge to give oxygen to this issue does not change that fact the he is right, and he has a good policy. Reduce demand by stopping foreigners buying existing houses, and increasing supply by encouraging all investors, foreigners and domestic, to build, instead of buy homes makes sense to me. A good idea, is a good idea. I really don’t see how ACT agreeing with Twyford, makes his policy less plausible. ACT are irrelevant anyway. Obviously you take them seriously, but I wouldn’t get to hung up on what they think.
Didn’t use to be the case, but the Left made it a thing which could be used that way.
How’s that CV? Can you point to specific examples of where people on the Left ”made it a thing” by standing up for the wrong groups or causes?
Supporting a culture of political correctness means that the charges you use against others in arguments can now also be used on you, fairly or unfairly.
No, it’s not about a culture of political correctness.
This is an issue where two concerns of the Left – economic sovereignty and personal identity – collide and have been put in stark relief by Labour’s actions, rightly or wrongly.
”Supporting a culture of political correctness means that the charges you use against others in arguments can now also be used on you, fairly or unfairly.”
Are you saying that if the Left hadn’t supported a culture of political correctness, it would have been able to run an economic sovereignty line without accusations of racism? That doesn’t make sense.
If National have data that rebuts the Barfoot data, let’s see it. New Zealanders need to know, and the Barfoot data are the only data we have. Imperfect though the data may be at present – the picture it paints is clearly indicative.
If it has no data whatsoever, the government is just flying blind, and should get cracking on establishing exactly who is buying our land and property New Zealand-wide – NOT just in Auckland, where it appears mainland Chinese money is flowing. But they should give us the whole picture, or they are simply not doing their job and why are we paying them?
Of course we can see why they would rather we didn’t know who our landlords are. (And somebody must be clipping the ticket on all that money laundering and it sure isn’t me or Mrs Brillo.)
Congratulations!! You’ve all fallen for the Nick Smith diversion- throw out the racism comment and the feeding frenzy for the sheeple begins-fantastic! Funny how the media aren’t that shy about calling out Maori for negative stats, but when it’s middle/wealthy class Asians-oohhhhh!! We don’t want to lose their money now, do we! And then we spend all this time letting ‘racism’ get in the way of the facts. Get over it, and call it for what it is- money laundering and cheap money, predominantly from Asia (particularly China) has been, and is, flooding the Auckland property market, propping up the NZ economy.
Mr Little told Radio NZ today that the average income of ethnic Chinese living in Auckland was below the average income overall, so it would be “madness” to say they were buying so many top-end houses.
One thing i see all the time as my wife is chinese , they use skykiwi for tradesmen, they mostly pay cash with no gst or tax.
There is a whole Chinese black market of tradesmen who can’t speak English, don’t pay tax and live like they are still in China.
As a contractor myself i have a ad in Chinese papers and skykiwi put up by my wife, when a Chinese person contacts me about getting work done they never want to pay the going rate or gst, so i turn the job down.
So on paper some of these people may seem like they are on a low income, but they have a million buck home and two flash cars.
Little was quoting official statistics. Your experience may differ from the norm.