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8:24 am, September 1st, 2013 - 41 comments
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And now for something completely unrelated to the Labour Leadership Campaign.
I recently stumbled upon the Department of Conservation’s vision statement. It is an appalling, poorly written and myopic document which shows how far concern for the environment has declined under this regime.
It is headed “Conservation for Prosperity”. According to this Government the primary or maybe only reason for conservation is the creation of wealth.
The subheadings are that conservation builds health and wellbeing, and conservation builds wealth. These disclose a totally human centric view of the environment. It is there for our benefit. It does not have intrinsic worth that should and needs to be protected. It is not something that we should be in balance with but something that we should use to the greatest extent.
At one level this is not necessarily bad but when you couple the cutting to the funding of branches of Government that are meant to monitor the environmental health of the country you have to be worried. We could be swept away on a feel good promise that we live in a country that is 100% natural while the environmental health degrades without us knowing about it.
The justification for conservation is said to be “investing in conservation is an investment in our prosperity”. So we will be richer if we look after the place. The Government obviously thinks that the only way to persuade people to do something is to appeal to their inner greed.
The Estate is also recognised for its contribution to our health and well being. This is fine as far as it goes but again it shows a totally self centred view of the environment and conservation is only good because we can derive a benefit from it.
The benefit the environment has on addressing climate change is addressed, well sort of. The statement says “[n]ative trees, tussocks and plants … soak up millions of tonnes of carbon every year, purifying the air we breathe.” Why DOC could not explicitly say that the soaking up millions of tonnes of CO2 also counters the effects of climate change is beyond me.
Rivers are said to be important because they “turn the turbines of hydroelectricity stations, giving us the power we need for lighting, heating, cooking and running businesses”. Apart from being sources of power DOC seems to struggle to understand what use or benefits are. They should do a bit of reading in the area and understand how, for instance, the ability of salmon to swim up river directly contributes to the health of the great forests in the west of the United States. There are many many examples of the complexity of the interactions that occur in nature that this document does not even hint at.
Fresh water is said to be important because we need it “to run all industries”. Our need to drink the stuff is oddly not mentioned.
The statement concludes by saying that “[i]nvesting in conservation is an investment in our prosperity.”
There is no mention of stewardship or the intrinsic value of the environment. The document clearly suggests that the environment is for us to use as we see fit. It does not realise that we do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our grandchildren.
Having read this document I can now understand the mindset which thinks that there is nothing wrong in allowing the mining of our natural parks. It is simply because they neither understand nor care about nature.
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Yes and who recently vetoed legislation to clean up NZ rivers from the Greens, that’s right National and Labour.
Sounds like environment might be a good topic for leaders questions. Both Shane and Grant were spokespeople, and neither in my opinion, did the portfolio justice.
Reminds me of ben eltons stark where things improved after the rich and powerful disappeared into their domes as all the polluting stopped.
Our big issue is the average person thinks its fine as the beach they use or the ‘wildeness’ they experience looks fine to the naked eye and Its a hard sell when only 67% show up to vote ffs.
@ Sable….disgraceful
Hopefully with Cunliffe as Leader of the Labour Party…things will change( his wife is an environmental lawyer and should be a huge asset )…and he is a natural to partner with the Greens … Hopefully he will come out against the coastal motorway north of Wellington and make a stand on public transport etc…mining in National Parks /fracking…in his electioneering….as well as make a stand on cuts to beneficiaries etc ….He needs more fire in his belly on these things as he does the hustings!
Labour’s record on environmental issues ( while not as RAPACIOUS as John Key and Nacts!)… has not been good… too anthropocentric ie focused on what the natural environment can do for humans…(plundering, money making and spoiling not excluded)….Rather, the natural environment should be regarded as an eco-centric force in its own right, with its own intrinsic worth ,values, wisdom….and rivers and National Parks a treasure to be caretaken and conserved ( Nga Kaitiaki)in their pristine state and in their own right….
This is what DOC and the RMA should be for…not a business entity in partnership with greedy plundering individuals and Corporates
Cut all the kauri
Slaughter all the seals
Take all the whales
Shit in all the rivers
People who vote National and support this kind of utter bullshit are disgusting egocentric human beings.
This government is an extremist one and it will require a vote in extreme to the other end to balance it up and reverse all these madcap brainless waves.
What a bunch of dopes.
What a stupid comment (hardly surprising).
The only Kauri that have been cut down are suffering from a virus that is threatening all Kauri.
No seals being slaughtered
National have been publicly opposed to Japan’s whaling practises.
Rivers are overall in better condition now than when National took office (they are still in a shit state, but it’s a start)
If the government was extremist, they would have allowed the tunnel in Fiordland to go ahead without batting an eyelid!
Maybe think a little more Bob. The reference to kauri, whales and seals was to illustrate that the colonial approach to resources is still alive and well (though clearly two centuries old), as is shown by this government’s approach to wild areas i.e. they are a resource to be eaten.
It is about the attitude Bob, the attitude, the wide long term vision, the approach to the wild. This government thinks it has just got off a boat in Auckland back in 1860 ffs.
To me, the worst thing about this report (and it’s even worse Canterbury one), is the appalling writing. The latest buzzword in DoC seems to be over use of “The Place” to describe every location the writer(s) want to mention. Those sick of failed MBA type Orwellian Bizspeak have another nightmare just beginning.
I also liked this from rod oram today:
Minister for the Environment Amy Adams made some remarkable assertions about her Resource Management Act reforms in her commentary piece in these pages last week.
For example, she wrote: “I am also proposing to repeal a requirement to have regard to the maintenance and enhancement of the quality of the environment – not because it is unimportant but because this is what the very purpose of the act is about. Simply restating it in the principles section is not helpful.”
Actually, the principles section is the absolute key to any act. It gives courts and practitioners clear guidance on Parliament’s intentions for the act.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/9107225/Rod-Oram-Time-for-economic-leadership
Am truly shocked about Amy Adams statement in that article.
This can be viewed as nothing other than active deception of the public.
It’s a lousy corporate statement but a lot of DoC are probably trying to mollify their current bosses so they aren’t totally annihilated-so they live to fight another day. Could you imagine this legislation with no government department and management contracted out? Much though I don’t like an ice cream stand at Hotwater beach it can be easily removed and may be a very small price for the enviroment to pay.
National are supposedly a Party based upon conservative principles……
The Key mob have no conception whatsoever of what conservation might be; or any desire to find out. For them all that matters is the almighty dollar, and the bigger their wallet the better. They are spending their descendants inheritance as fast as they can with no consideration whatsoever for future generations of NZers. And for what purpose? So that they can die wealthy! Their incomprehensible greed is simply staggering.
The sooner this shower is kicked off the treasury benches and down Molesworth Street the better.
+1 Macro
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Only under a John Key led National Ltd government will you have a Minister for the Environment publicly state:
As Rod Oram points out, this is just bullshit, 100% pure bullshit.
EDIT: Note to self, read *all* the comments before posting. SNAP: hush minx
+1 Blip,
It is SUCH bullshit, it is perfectly appropriate and good for its denouncement to be repeated as many times as it can be. 🙂
What a load of hogwash. Why would time be wasted changing something because it was a repetition of something. If it doesn’t cost that its said twice, and it doesn’t cause change, then
why spend time and money unnecessarily?
And looking after the environment is a duty not a goal with moveable posts.
This isn’t exactly “new” news. DOC have had a mantra of Conservation For Prosperity for some time now.
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The OP headline carries the assumption that National Ltd™ ever cared about the environment. Since its election in 2008, the John Key led National Ltd™ led government has:
All I can say BLiP is respect …
+1. Love these lists.
+1 Hate that these lists can be compiled. The events should never have happened. Love the grunt put in to amass them. Thanks BLiP
How does soaking up carbon (sic) purify the air we breathe?
I was under the impression that CO2 was a trace gas essential for life.
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Ahhh, yes . . . Item 41 on the list of standard lies told about climate change. Here, learn something, if you can:
I don’t think that AndyS can. I’ve read his inane comments at hot topic.
He has about the same amount of knowledge of climate (or indeed any science) as a flatulent bovine. All he ever does is to chew his cud and extrude bad smells as he lifts his tail for the same old crap. He has a repetitive and unthinking life.
He’s been banned from there, thanks Gareth! But I see he snuck one in the other day…
Obviously feeling lonely over at Climate “Science”.
My question was really about the language used in the DoC paper.
We may have our views on the radiative forcing of CO2 and its effects on the climatic system, but the DoC statement was that reducing “carbon” was somehow “purifying” the air.
If we are referring to black carbon (i.e soot) then this is a reasonable statement, but removing CO2 is hardly purifying the air as CO2 is a natural component of air.
If I took the logical conclusion of making air completey “pure” i.e CO2 free, then life on planet earth would cease to exist
I suspect that this DoC paper was written by a junior or someone whose brain had been addled by over-exposure to Gore-esque twaddle, or who had worked as a Greenpeace office worker
I suggest you stop breathing then, since you release about 1kg of this pollutant from your breath every day.
That would certainly help purify our air,
Zzzzz
I am interested in the concept of 100% natural. Since there are no indigenous land based mammals in NZ, it is fair to say that we are a long way from 100% natural. Perhaps if we exterminated all mammals then we could achieve that goal?
You are interested in derailing debate.
It’s called trolling.
“Since there are no indigenous land based mammals in NZ,”
You obviously know as much about NZ’s flora and fauna as you do about Global Warming!
http://www.doc.govt.nz/conservation/native-animals/bats/
I do know about the bats, I was just about to write land based non flying mammals but thought better of it.
Presumably if we removed all the land based non flying mammals then we wouldn’t need the useless wind turbines that explode bats stomachs.
It would be good for our clean green image too.
yawn….
I love climate cretins, I really do.
Cut and paste troll Blip links to SkS but doesn’t explain which bit of the scriptures I have violated.
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Heh! It guess “Item 41” was too subtle for AndyShit4brains.
Presumably, you agree that CO2 is a “pollutant” and that by removing all of it from the atmosphere, we will make the world a better place.
Or perhaps you think there is an optimum level in the atmosphere for this pollutant, and if so what it is?
Furthermore, do you have any scientific evidence that there is an optimum level in the atmosphere for CO2?
As someone whose cerebellum is made from faecal matter, as you claim, you will have to explain this quite carefully to me.
As I commented earlier, you really are a bit of a scientific moron. Learning to phrase questions so they have some meaning would be useful.
There is no “optimum” level unless you say what it is optimal for. Earth has been close to 90% CO2 in the atmosphere in earth one (prior to the moon’s creation) and as probably as low as about 50ppm during periods of minimal atmospheric venting vulcanisation (little or no land). Both of these events happened in the pre-cambrian over a billion years ago. However in neither of these cases would you be able to survive without considerable technical support. One would suffocate you, and in the other case you’d die because your body would forget to breathe (CO2 levels are the breathing trigger for most larger animals). Perhaps you should indicate if you’d find these conditions “optimal”.
Humans can tolerate quite a range of CO2 levels. There has been considerable variation during our evolutionary history. Hunter gathers seem to survive fine when CO2 drops below 200ppm during glacials and when it peaks at about the current levels in full interglacials. However while you may prefer scratching, picking and eating your own fleas, it isn’t high on my list of things to do.
However what is of interest to civilised people (not you, we’ll add you to the dumbarse parasite list) is at what level does our current human civilisation become unviable. Since our civikisation is based on growing food, In the last 10k years while we have developed and become dependent on agriculture, we have had atmospheric CO2 levels of no less than 200ppm and no more than 300ppm. Currently we are at about 400ppm which will over the next hundred years cause severe climate shifts, and progressively get more extreme after that for the following few thousand years. This has consequences for our agricultural systems, which aren’t geared for either rapid climate shifts or increased severity of weather….
So some time over the coming decades we’re going to have to develop agricultural methods that we have no current knowledge of to cope with continuing to produce enough food for the worlds human population. If we don’t then we’re likely to see a considerable human dieback – probably with a little bit of warfare on the side..
Now perhaps you’d care to explain why your preferred state of primitively scratching fleas after a human dieback because of your inability to use your brains should be followed by all. Tell me what do you consider is the “optimal” level and I may be able to assist you with determining how far you are likely to fall… But for your monkey-god’s sake, please be a bit more precise about what you define as your “optimal” state of savagery.
Tell me what do you consider is the “optimal” level
There isn’t an optimal level, as you just said
However, DoC seem to think that by removing CO2 from air, we are purifying it. So presumably they think the optimal level is less than the current level. Given that DoC are a taxpayer funded body, I thought they might be able to offer some insight, so I will contact them directly
not you, we’ll add you to the dumbarse parasite list
Thanks. As it happens, I work for myself, and get all my income from the UK, so I don’t consider myself to be a parasite. I am not sure what you consider a parasite, presumably self-employed IT workers like me are “parasites” whilst talentless list MPs are not
However, your abusive remark is much appreciated. I always appreciate abuse from the “voice of the labour movement”. It reminds me what a bunch of bottom-feeders the “labour movement” really is and how mistaken I was that day I voted for them a long time ago
Have a nice day
Paul says ” I am trying to derail debate”
What debate? This is a left wing blog. There is never any debate.
The Keyism has so many similarities to Muldonism. The dictatorial government are again trying to tell our elected council that they decide on GM crops being planted in our region and if things go belly up then of course the ratepayers will pick up the bill. Also they are more interested in pandering to the likes of big multinationals than caring about the effects on New Zealanders.
Like everything else this government does it is all for big business at the expense of the average Kiwi. God I hope enough people see sense next election and vote the fascists out. It is certainly not government for the people by the people. Like the asset sales this government sees a quick benefit to them and their big business cronies by selling out our country to wealthy foreign companies.