Wow. Some could begin to arguye that you guys are pathetic.
Is the strength of your argument for another Labour government these piddling little one-ups.
Matthew Pilott – To suggest that John is stupid is non-sensical. Surely someone who has been as success as Mr. Key is not stupid. I mean c’mon! Get real guys.
Should discredit everything else that person says from that point on. They arent an expert, they obviously have political reasons to weigh in on this issue.
All you have done is say, “look, someone else who hates John Key as much as I do, agrees with me!”
“Matthew Pilott – To suggest that John is stupid is non-sensical. Surely someone who has been as success as Mr. Key is not stupid. I mean c’mon!”
So how about Michael Campbell for PM, or Tana Umaga, Marc Ellis or Jason Gunn – they have all been very sucessful in their fields.
Making money by speculating is not the sign of a good elected representative or Prime Minister. I would choose to base it upon his words or actions outside of his previous profession.
Kimble, how do you know that Mr Bhana isn’t a fisherman by trade, and that his expertise is on the letter’s main topic? Why dismiss it out of hand because it says something you don’t agree with?
“Making money by speculating is not the sign of a good elected representative”
I believe John Key was elected with a larger majority in his second MP election than his first. Obviously his consistuents believe he is doing a good job. You are nothing if not amusing Matthew.
lemsip, he had a far higher profile by then, as everyone was waiting for him to bump old donnie BrashCo. I’d be worried if he did not do better.
Do you disagree with the comment that making money by speculating is not the sign of a good elected representative? that is what was meant by his ‘success’, I’d guess…
I like the bit about having ‘worked with and filmed sharks for more than a decade’, quite compelling. You still want to stop crab guy doing his job?
My original point is that JK should not shoot from the hip, its not his strong point, still stands! I think JK is smart and IMO its ok for a politician to say ‘i don’t know until I get the facts’, would make me consider them as a thinker instead of a shoot first type, like Cullen did today. Classic example of it!
You are such an intellectual lightweight Matthew. When you are confronted with inconvenient facts it is okay to admit you may have been mistaken. To do so is a sign of maturity and intellect.
“Do you disagree with the comment that making money by speculating is not the sign of a good elected representative?”
I don’t accept your premise that being good at making money is a sign of a bad elected representative. I think it is neutral. However, what it does show is that John Key CAN be successful. The fact that he increased his winning electorate margin by over 10200 votes also suggests he CAN be successful and importantly, in more than making money. Hell if he wins this year he may increase his winning margin in 2011.
What I do know Matthew is that you could never be as successful as John Key in either making money or being an MP. Nor would you ever be considered to be prime ministerial quality by over half the population in more than one randomly sampled poll. I doubt I could be either.
actually let me rephrase – I don’t think you could lead a party that is judged to be government quality by over half the population in more than one randomly sampled poll. My apologies
“Kimble: where are the WMD’s, cause I am all out.”
The point isnt Iraq and WMDs, it is that within the first sentence he has shown that he is unreliable partisan rather than any sort of objective expert.
If you saw a letter to the editor saying “As a vet I have worked with dogs for 25 years, and Labours policy on chipping them is simply more social engineering and manipulation from nanny-statists and socialist lickspittles.”
Would you accept that their opinion is genuine, or would you suspect that their opinion is coloured just a little by their rabid hatred of the left wing? Mmm?
It is Mike Bhanas obvious hatred of Key that makes me dismiss his opinion out of hand.
“Do you disagree with the comment that making money by speculating is not the sign of a good elected representative?”
Yes, I do. Do you know what his actual job was and what that entailed?
I think it is obvious that what you really wanted to say was,
“Do you disagree that making money is not the sign of a good elected representative?”
Bhana is a well known well traveled and much admired surfer and videographer. His comments about GWB appear to be pretty much tongue in cheek but once again Kimble and his ilk determine that if you’re anti war you must be written off as an anti American BBC watching Key hating Labour supporting collectivist pinko leftard. Never mind that the mans opinions and world view are based on experiences that most can only dream about.
And almost a year out from elections Keys shooting from the lip is a gift to labour thats going to keep on giving.
So the word has gone out to the labour drones to send letters in about anything, just make sure they contain phrases about the War in Iraq and John Key. Desperate and pathetic…
“don’t think its obvious hatred, disdain for blaming the crab guy based on no evidence maybe.”
Riiiight. That last line about Key actually complaining about a poor comrade trying to scratch up a living wage near his pristine, upper class beach is sooooo neutral. It is obvious that his concern is all about the poor crabber and he is just miffed the way Key has destroyed this poor guys life. Whatever.
“And almost a year out from elections Keys shooting from the lip is a gift to labour thats going to keep on giving.”
Yeah, people that would never have voted for National in a million years are confirming they wont vote for them in the next election. What a coup.
“I think it is obvious that what you really wanted to say was,
“Do you disagree that making money is not the sign of a good elected representative?“Â
Kimble, you are completely right there, believe it or not. For example, selling drugs can be quite profitable – do you think that’s the sign of a good MP? Prostitution perhaps? Selling child porn…
Lemsip, I agree he’s doing well as an MP on the face of it. however when people talk about his ‘success’ they are generally referring to his work prior to becoming an MP. If my comment confused you because of that I’m truly sorry.
“,“Do you disagree with the comment that making money by speculating is not the sign of a good elected representative?”Â
I don’t accept your premise that being good at making money is a sign of a bad elected representative. ”
For an initllectual heavyweight such as yourself, I’m surprised you’d make the mistake of falsely inverting a statement, nice false premise you tried to use there though. Did you think it would slip past a lightweight such as myself?
Kimble: You still have not answered my question, based on John Keys Gut instinct about sharks or a guy that obviously doesn’t like john key but knows lots about sharks – ‘would You still want to stop crab guy doing his job?’
Matthew my mistake – sorry – too much caffiene and little sleep. But heres the rub for you – there is evidence that John Key is a successful elected representative i.e. his constituents reelected him with a significantly larger winning margin. That significantly weakens your little argument “I would choose to base it upon his words or actions outside of his previous profession.” His current profession IS being an ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE and judging by the only firm quantitative measure available he’s successful at his job.
‘would You still want to stop crab guy doing his job?’
Based on as little information as we have here? No.
What Key said was that the ministry should be able to issue cease and desist orders if they thought it was in the interest of public saftey. A person in the ministry has confirmed that currently they cant.
Do you know how close the crab pots are to the beach? Do you know how far away from the shore the burley bombs are being dropped? No. You dont know either of those things.
Matthew, do you disagree with the statement that being a woman is not a sign of a good elected representative?
Matthew, do you disagree with the statement that being a maori is not a sign of a good elected representative?
Matthew, do you disagree with the statement that being a homosexual is not a sign of a good elected representative?
Matthew, do you disagree with the statement that being a muslim is not a sign of a good elected representative?
‘would You still want to stop crab guy doing his job?’
Based on as little information as we have here? No.
What Key said was that the ministry should be able to issue cease and desist orders if they thought it was in the interest of public saftey. A person in the ministry has confirmed that currently they cant.
Do you know how close the crab pots are to the beach? Do you know how far away from the shore the burley bombs are being dropped? No. You dont know either of those things.
Matthew, do you disagree with the statement that being a woman is not a sign of a good elected representative?
Matthew, do you disagree with the statement that being a maori is not a sign of a good elected representative?
Matthew, do you disagree with the statement that being a homosexual is not a sign of a good elected representative?
Matthew, do you disagree with the statement that being a muslim is not a sign of a good elected representative?
Matthew, do you disagree with the statement that being the leader of a group of people, being informed and knowledgeable about the current economic state of multiple inter-related countries, making decisions about the characteristics and performance of employees, being experienced in deciding between often conflicting view points from people who are both experts in their field, being in a position that often requires split-second decision making, being experienced with, and successful in, high pressure situations, being a member of a high level committee with a lot of responsibility, being in a position to make decisions with far-reaching consequences, and to do all this successfully, ARE signs of a good elected representative?
“Matthew, do you disagree with the statement that being the leader of a group of people, being informed and knowledgeable about the current economic state of multiple inter-related countries, making decisions about the characteristics and performance of employees, being experienced in deciding between often conflicting view points from people who are both experts in their field, being in a position that often requires split-second decision making, being experienced with, and successful in, high pressure situations, being a member of a high level committee with a lot of responsibility, being in a position to make decisions with far-reaching consequences, and to do all this successfully, ARE signs of a good elected representative?”
Drug dealers do have a lot on their plates don’t they? So, when is the Medellin cartel coming to town?
No, the problem is the skills you mentioned could apply to the head of a criminal organisation such as the mafia or a drug cartel, equally as much as a currency trader.
Maybe, with that realisation, you’ll start to get my point.
‘Based on as little information as we have here? No.’
thanks for the answer, I am not trying to goad you, just sayin that we can make better decisions when we have the facts, and JK should know better. He has been doing this for a few years now…Oh and cullens little email of venom was just as silly!
‘Do you know how close the crab pots are to the beach? Do you know how far away from the shore the burley bombs are being dropped? No. You dont know either of those things.’
yeah I do cause I was there over new years, and they are quite far away from the one place where you can safely swim at omaha. I have to say most people don’t fish around omaha itself, but further round the point toward leigh…
Anyway its too hot i am off to the beach for a shark free swim. Cheers Kimble. đ
No, I get that. I got it at the start. The traits of good leaders are generally the same no matter whether they run a country, a corporation, or a criminal organisation.
So Keys history of good leadership is relevant to his suitability for the elected role he is running for.
The only way you can discount his suitability as the leader of this country is if you object to the field in which he gained those skills.
Where he gained his skills is relevant, as you point out, we dont want a great leader that has spent his life thus far working outside the law, as a drug lord has.
So what is it about being involved with currency trading that makes you call into question Keys suitability for the role of leader of NZ?
Bear in mind, he didnt actually make his entire wealth sitting in front of a terminal, trading currency. He is likely to have made the lion’s share as salary and bonuses for his work as a leader.
“Anyway its too hot i am off to the beach for a shark free swim.”
You hope it is shark free. Given that the ministry of fisheries cant stop someone laying baited crab pots around beaches where people swim, and that sharks are attracted by the things they use as bait, I guess you just have to hope that no one has decided to increase your risk of shark attack to make a few quid.
“Where he gained his skills is relevant, as you point out, we dont want a great leader that has spent his life thus far working outside the law, as a drug lord has.
So what is it about being involved with currency trading that makes you call into question Keys suitability for the role of leader of NZ?”
Your first statement here sort of answers the second, in that it’s not being sucessful as a currency trader that would make a good leader. A good trader might also be a hard-as-nails obnoxious semi-alcoholic pig. It is other qualities you look for – personal traits if you will. A drug lord probably lacks the latter – they might have the same skills as teh currency trader, but also have the tendency to take out the opposition with automatic gunfire.
So I’m saying, as I have from the start, that being a good currency trader won’t make him a good leader per se – you’ll note I didn’t say it was a bad sign either!
No, being a good trader doesnt mean you will be a good leader. But Key wasnt a trader, he was a leader.
He led a group of people who would have included some currency speculators. He was a successful leader but you are discounting this entirely because he was involved in currency trading. So what is wrong with currency trading (as an industry) that makes his leadership experience in that field invalid?
meh. Sounds like he made an off the cuff remark that was wrong.
So freaking what. What matters are the policy decisions that politicians make, not their slip of the tongue gaffs.
Honestly, if a labour cabinet minister had said the same thing, would the same people who are profess dismay at John Key saying this also be dismayed then? would the same people who think it’s no big deal now also think it’s no big deal then?
I try not to listen to people who I think hold their affiliation to a party over ‘mere facts’
Kimble, I don’t know John Key as well as you seem to be describing him. The anecdotal evidence I have from people I do know who have met him doesn’t quite match the picture you are painting though.
Why is it that some humans think they must dominate every other living thing on the planet to suit themselves? What is wrong with some sharks enjoying a bit of ‘sunbathing’? After all, they DO live in the ocean, unlike ourselves. Maybe the warm summer and calm weather is due to, dare I say it, ‘global warming’, and we’d better get used to it.
Here in Hawke’s Bay we have our own ‘Coruba Shark Hunt’; what an embarrassment and insult to host this despicable event, and it’s not like sharkmeat is on any menu in the Bay, in fact the pitiful sharks caught end up at the local tip.
So, Simon Tremain (Nat. Party, Napier), since you’re into protecting the “environment” http://www.stuff.co.nz/4357598a6479.html) when will you get some balls and speak up about the pointless killing of sharks?
I don’t see many people complaining about the amount of shark bait thrown around the oceans during the Coruba Shark Hunt.
“So what is wrong with currency trading (as an industry) that makes his leadership experience in that field invalid?”
So much buddy, There is a lot of honesty coming out of wall street these days and it really paints the world of traders and brokers as the absurd capital casino it is. The best traders in wall street are known as “big swinging dicks”…..that’s a term of reverse endearment , read macho no neck arseholes.
Hitler was a good leader for a while, the germans loved him in the 1930’s. ….leadership is contextual.
The fear is Key lacks an empathy for outcomes.If that doesn’t bother you I guess you’ll vote for him. A prerequisite for modern government will be an ability to acknowledge the complexities and multiple layers involved in the adminstration of a nations citizenry. You see that coming to play in the U.S as Bush totally shoots up the rightwing playbook with an endless energy of brainless ,hopelessly unstraight shooting.Key seems to be fixated on productivity supplied by pressure. He wont feel the pressure, it’ll be us who get asked to find the x-factor undefineable surge in our all ready too crowded working week.
This link has been posted around this site a few times by various people but I think this calls for another airing to give you an idea of the kind of profession we’re talking about.
Berley bombs you get from fish city weigh about three kilos each. It is possible to buy a big ten or fifteen kilo one, but they hardly ever get used, and if they do it’s mainly on an offshore sort of trip. A three kilo berley bomb lasts ages, and would do you for an afternoon’s fishing.
Each crab pot has around a kilo of bait in it, and with around to seventy or eighty pots in the vicinity of the beach, well, even you idiots can do the math. The pots are re-baited daily. That’s around seventy kilos of berley per day, or the equivalent of at least twenty boats anchoring and berleying up off Omaha beach every day.
Apparently Bhana’s either lying or stupid, or quite likely both, much like the authors of this piece of shit blog.
Plus, nobody buys a big flash boat to anchor 200 yards of Omaha beach and fish.
thats people who know sharks…So what evidence do you have that Mr Bhana is wrong on sharks???? Then what would you do restrict the crab guy or tell the swimmers to sunbathe instead. As your an obvious expert on the subject.
“Plus, nobody buys a big flash boat to anchor 200 yards of Omaha beach and fish.”
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TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 7:00 am on Monday, July 22 are:Today’s Must Read: Father and son live in a tent, and have done for four years, in a million ...
TL;DR: As of 7:00 am on Monday, July 22, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:US President Joe Biden announced via X this morning he would not stand for a second term.Multinational professional services firm ...
A listing of 32 news and opinion articles we found interesting and shared on social media during the past week: Sun, July 14, 2024 thru Sat, July 20, 2024. Story of the week As reflected by preponderance of coverage, our Story of the Week is Project 2025. Until now traveling ...
This weekend, a friend pointed out someone who said they’d like to read my posts, but didn’t want to pay. And my first reaction was sympathy.I’ve already told folks that if they can’t comfortably subscribe, and would like to read, I’d be happy to offer free subscriptions. I don’t want ...
National: The Party of ‘Law and Order’ IntroductionThis weekend, the Government formally kicked off one of their flagship policy programs: a military style boot camp that New Zealand has experimented with over the past 50 years. Cartoon credit: Guy BodyIt’s very popular with the National Party’s Law and Orderimage, ...
Day one of the solo leg of my long journey home begins with my favourite sound: footfalls in an empty street. 5.00 am and it’s already light and already too warm, almost.If I can make the train that leaves Budapest later this hour I could be in Belgrade by nightfall; ...
Do you remember Y2K, the threat that hung over humanity in the closing days of the twentieth century? Horror scenarios of planes falling from the sky, electronic payments failing and ATMs refusing to dispense cash. As for your VCR following instructions and recording your favourite show - forget about it.All ...
Climate Change Minister Simon Watts being questioned by The Kākā’s Bernard Hickey.TL;DR: My top six things to note around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the week to July 20 were:1. A strategy that fails Zero Carbon Act & Paris targetsThe National-ACT-NZ First Coalition Government finally unveiled ...
Summary:As New Zealand loses at least 12 leaders in the public service space of health, climate, and pharmaceuticals, this month alone, directly in response to the Government’s policies and budget choices, what lies ahead may be darker than it appears. Tui examines some of those departures and draws a long ...
The Minister of Housingâs ambition is to reduce markedly the ratio of house prices to household incomes. If his strategy works it would transform the housing market, dramatically changing the prospects of housing as an investment.Leaving aside the Ministerâs metaphor of âflooding the marketâ I do not see how the ...
As previously noted, my historical fantasy piece, set in the fifth-century Mediterranean, was accepted for a Pirate Horror anthology, only for the anthology to later fall through. But in a good bit of news, it turned out that the story could indeed be re-marketed as sword and sorcery. As of ...
An employee of tobacco company Philip Morris International demonstrates a heated tobacco device. Photo: Getty ImagesTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy on Friday, July 19 are:At a time when the Coalition Government is cutting spending on health, infrastructure, education, housing ...
TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 8:30 am on Friday, July 19 are:Scoop: NZ First Minister Casey Costello orders 50% cut to excise tax on heated tobacco products. The minister has ...
Kia ora, it’s time for another Friday roundup, in which we pull together some of the links and stories that caught our eye this week. Feel free to add more in the comments! Our header image this week shows a foggy day in Auckland town, captured by Patrick Reynolds. ...
TL;DR : Here’s the top six items climate news for Aotearoa this week, as selected by Bernard Hickey and The Kākā’s climate correspondent Cathrine Dyer. A discussion recorded yesterday is in the video above and the audio of that sent onto the podcast feed.The Government released its draft Emissions Reduction ...
Save some money, get rich and old, bring it back to Tobacco Road.Bring that dynamite and a crane, blow it up, start all over again.Roll up. Roll up. Or tailor made, if you prefer...Whether you’re selling ciggies, digging for gold, catching dolphins in your nets, or encouraging folks to flutter ...
Waiting In The Wings:For truly, if Trump is Americaâs un-assassinated Caesar, then J.D. Vance is Americaâs Octavian, the Republicâs youthful undertaker â and its first Emperor.DONALD TRUMPâS SELECTION of James D. Vance as his running-mate bodes ill for the American republic. A fervent supporter of Viktor Orban, the âilliberalâ prime ...
TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Friday, July 19, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:The PSAannounced the Employment Relations Authority (ERA) had ruled in the PSA’s favour in its case against the Ministry ...
Te Rangi e tu nei (The sky above us) Te Papa e takoto nei (The land beneath us) Tatou katoa te hunga ora (To us all the living) Tena koutou katoa (Greetings) ...
A late change to charter school legislation will cheat educators out of fair pay and negotiating power proving charter schools are just a vehicle to make profit out of our education system. ...
In 2004 te iwi MÄori rallied against the Crownâs attempt to confiscate our coastlines and moana with the Foreshore and Seabed Act. This led to the largest hÄ«koi of a generation and the birth of Te PÄti MÄori. 20 years later, history is repeating itself. Today the government has announced ...
It has been five and a half years since the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in Care was established to investigate the abuse of children, young people, and vulnerable adults within state and faith-based institutions. Yesterday, the final report - Whanaketia through pain and trauma, from darkness to light ...
The Governmentâs move to dilute child poverty targets is a reminder that it is actively choosing to preserve hardship for thousands of households. ...
The Green Party is calling on the Government to take action off the back of the International Court of Justice ruling on Israelâs illegal occupation of Palestine. ...
On Friday the International Court of Justice reaffirmed what Palestinianâs have been telling us for decades: that the occupation and colonisation of Palestinian lands by Israel is illegal and must end immediately. They also called for reparations for Palestinianâs who have lived under Israeli occupation since it began in 1967. ...
Labour calls on the Government to act after the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruled that Israelâs occupation of Palestinian Territories is illegal. ...
The 53.7 percent rise in benefit sanctions over the last year is more proof of this Governmentâs disdain for our communities most in need of support. ...
Aotearoa could be a country where every child grows up feeling safe, loved and with a sense of belonging in their whÄnau and community. But for some of our children, this is far from reality. Instead, they are trapped in a maze of intergenerational harm that they canât escape on ...
Te PÄti MÄori are calling for David Seymour to resign as Associate Health Minister in response to his call for Pharmac to ignore the Treaty of Waitangi. âThis announcement is just another example of the governmentâs anti-Tiriti, anti-MÄori agenda.â Said Co-leader and spokesperson for health, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer. âSeymour thinks it ...
The soaring price of renting is driving the rise of inflation in this country - with latest figures from Stats NZ showing rents are up 4.8 per cent on average while annual inflation is at 3.3 per cent. ...
Nationalâs Emissions Reduction Plan will take New Zealand further from the economy we need to ensure the next generation has a stable climate and secure livelihoods. ...
Following consultation with named parties and thorough consideration of privacy interests, the Green Party is in a position to release the Executive Summary of the final report from the independent investigation into Darleen Tana. ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon should be asking serious questions of his Minister for Resources Shane Jones now itâs been revealed he misled the public about a dinner with mining companies that he didnât declare and said wasnât pre-arranged. ...
Te PÄti MÄori have submitted to the Justice Select Committee against the Sentencing (Reinstating Three Strikes) Amendment Bill. The bill will further entrench racism in our justice system and fails to focus on rehabilitation. âReinstating Three Strikes will empower a systematically racist system and exacerbate the overrepresentation of MÄori in ...
The Transport and Infrastructure Committee is set to make a determination on the Residential Tenancies Amendment (RTA) Bill in the coming weeks. âThis legislation will give landlords the power to kick our whÄnau out onto the street for no reasonâ said Housing spokesperson, Mariameno Kapa-Kingi. âTheir solution to the housing ...
âNationalâs campaign was about tackling crime and the best they can do is a two-year long Ministerial Advisory Group,â Labour justice spokesperson Duncan Webb said. ...
âThere are more examples of charter schools failing their students than there are success stories. The coalition Government is driving to dismantle our public school system and instead promote a privatised, competitive structure that puts profits before kids,â Jan Tinetti said. ...
âThis government is choosing to deliberately mislead and withhold information, keeping our people in the dark about this governmentâs agenda and the future of our mokopuna,â said co-leader and spokesperson for Health, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer. The call comes after the demand from the Chief Ombudsman that Associate Minister of Health, Casey ...
âTodayâs climate announcement by Simon Watts makes clear the National Government is simply paying lip service to meeting its climate change targets,â Megan Woods said. ...
National is choosing to make life harder for workers by taking away the rights our communities have fought hard for. Here's how theyâre taking workers backwards. ...
Australia, Canada and New Zealand today issued the following statement on the need for an urgent ceasefire in Gaza and the risk of expanded conflict between Hizballah and Israel. The situation in Gaza is catastrophic. The human suffering is unacceptable. It cannot continue. We remain unequivocal in our condemnation of ...
Attorney-General Judith Collins today reminded all State and faith-based institutions of their legal obligation to preserve records relevant to the safety and wellbeing of those in its care. âThe Abuse in Care Inquiryâs report has found cases where records of the most vulnerable people in State and faithâbased institutions were ...
Minister of Internal Affairs Brooke van Velden says the Governmentâs online safety website for children and young people has reached one million page views. âIt is great to see so many young people and their families accessing the site Keep It Real Online to learn how to stay safe online, and manage ...
TÄnÄ tÄtou katoa, NgÄ mihi te rangi, ngÄ mihi te whenua, ngÄ mihi ki a koutou, kia ora mai koutou. Thank you for the opportunity to be here and the invitation to speak at this 50th anniversary conference. I acknowledge all those who have gone before us and paved the ...
New Zealandâs payroll providers have successfully prepared to ensure 3.5 million individuals will, from Wednesday next week, be able to keep more of what they earn each pay, says Finance Minister Nicola Willis and Revenue Minister Simon Watts. âThe Government's tax policy changes are legally effective from Wednesday. Delivering this tax ...
An experimental vineyard which will help futureproof the wine sector has been opened in Blenheim by Associate Regional Development Minister Mark Patterson. The covered vineyard, based at the New Zealand Wine Centre â Te PokapĆ« WÄina o Aotearoa, enables controlled environmental conditions. âThe research that will be produced at the Experimental ...
The Coalition Government has confirmed the indicative regional breakdown of North Island Weather Event (NIWE) funding for state highway recovery projects funded through Budget 2024, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. âRegions in the North Island suffered extensive and devastating damage from Cyclone Gabrielle and the 2023 Auckland Anniversary Floods, and ...
Indonesiaâs Foreign Minister, Retno Marsudi, will visit New Zealand next week, Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced. âIndonesia is important to New Zealandâs security and economic interests and is our closest South East Asian neighbour,â says Mr Peters, who is currently in Laos to engage with South East Asian partners. ...
He aha te kai a te rangatira? He kĆrero, he kĆrero, he kĆrero. The government has reaffirmed its commitment to supporting the aspirations of NgÄti Maniapoto, Minister for MÄori Development Tama Potaka says. âMy thanks to Te Nehenehenui Trust â NgÄti Maniapoto for bringing their important kĆrero to a ministerial ...
Transport Minister Simeon Brown has thanked outgoing Chair of the Civil Aviation Authority, Janice Fredric, for her service to the board.âI have received Ms Fredricâs resignation from the role of Chair of the Civil Aviation Authority,â Mr Brown says.âOn behalf of the Government, I want to thank Ms Fredric for ...
The Government is proposing legislation to overturn a Court of Appeal decision and amend the Marine and Coastal Area Act in order to restore Parliamentâs test for Customary Marine Title, Treaty Negotiations Minister Paul Goldsmith says. âSection 58 required an applicant group to prove they have exclusively used and occupied ...
Regulation Minister David Seymour says that opposition parties have united in bad faith, opposing what they claim are âdangerous changesâ to the Early Childhood Education sector, despite no changes even being proposed yet. âIssues with affordability and availability of early childhood education, and the complexity of its regulation, has led ...
After receiving more than 740 submissions in the first 20 days, Regulation Minister David Seymour is asking the Ministry for Regulation to extend engagement on the early childhood education regulation review by an extra two weeks. âThe level of interest has been very high, and from the conversations Iâve been ...
The Coalition Government is investing $802.9 million into the Wairarapa and Manawatƫ rail lines as part of a funding agreement with the NZ Transport Agency (NZTA), KiwiRail, and the Greater Wellington and Horizons Regional Councils to deliver more reliable services for commuters in the lower North Island, Transport Minister Simeon ...
Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced his intention to appoint a Crown Manager to both Hawkeâs Bay Regional and Wairoa District Councils to speed up the delivery of flood protection work in Wairoa."Recent severe weather events in Wairoa this year, combined with damage from Cyclone Gabrielle in 2023 have ...
Mr Speaker, this is a day that many New Zealanders who were abused in State care never thought would come. Itâs the day that this Parliament accepts, with deep sorrow and regret, the Report of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in Care. At the heart of this report are the ...
For the first time, the Government is formally acknowledging some children and young people at Lake Alice Psychiatric Hospital experienced torture. The final report of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in State and Faith-based Care âWhanaketia â through pain and trauma, from darkness to light,â was tabled in Parliament ...
The Government has acknowledged the nearly 2,400 courageous survivors who shared their experiences during the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Historical Abuse in State and Faith-Based Care. The final report from the largest and most complex public inquiry ever held in New Zealand, the Royal Commission Inquiry âWhanaketia â through ...
With a week to go before hard-working New Zealanders see personal income tax relief for the first time in fourteen years, 513,000 people have used the Budget tax calculator to see how much they will benefit, says Finance Minister Nicola Willis. âTax relief is long overdue. From next Wednesday, personal income ...
Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Brooke van Velden says a bill that has passed its first reading will improve parental leave settings and give non-biological parents more flexibility as primary carer for their child. The Regulatory Systems Amendment Bill (No3), passed its first reading this morning. âIt includes a change ...
Two Bills designed to improve regulation and make it easier to do business have passed their first reading in Parliament, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. The Regulatory Systems (Economic Development) Amendment Bill and Regulatory Systems (Immigration and Workforce) Amendment Bill make key changes to legislation administered by the Ministry ...
New legislation paves the way for greater competition in sectors such as banking and electricity, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly says. âCompetitive markets boost productivity, create employment opportunities and lift living standards. To support competition, we need good quality regulation but, unfortunately, a recent OECD report ranked New ...
Minister of Internal Affairs Brooke van Velden says lotteries for charitable purposes, such as those run by the Heart Foundation, Coastguard NZ, and local hospices, will soon be allowed to operate online permanently. âUnder current laws, these fundraising lotteries are only allowed to operate online until October 2024, after which ...
The Coalition Government is accelerating work on the new four-lane expressway between Auckland and WhangÄrei as part of its Roads of National Significance programme, with an accelerated delivery model to deliver this project faster and more efficiently, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. âFor too long, the lack of resilient transport connections ...
Sir Don McKinnon will travel to Viet Nam this week as a Special Envoy of the Government, Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced. âIt is important that the Government give due recognition to the significant contributions that General Secretary Nguyen Phu Trong made to New Zealand-Viet Nam relations,â Mr ...
Minister of Internal Affairs Brooke van Velden says newly appointed Commissioner, Grant Illingworth KC, will help deliver the report for the first phase of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into COVID-19 Lessons, due on 28 November 2024. âI am pleased to announce that Mr Illingworth will commence his appointment as ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters travels to Laos this week to participate in a series of Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN)-led Ministerial meetings in Vientiane. âASEAN plays an important role in supporting a peaceful, stable and prosperous Indo-Pacific,â Mr Peters says. âThis will be our third visit to ...
Construction of a new mental health facility at Te Nikau Grey Hospital in Greymouth is today one step closer, Mental Health Minister Matt Doocey says. âThis $27 million facility shows this Government is delivering on its promise to boost mental health care and improve front line services,â Mr Doocey says. ...
New Zealand is committing nearly $50 million to a package supporting sustainable Pacific fisheries development over the next four years, Foreign Minister Winston Peters and Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones announced today. âThis support consisting of a range of initiatives demonstrates New Zealandâs commitment to assisting our Pacific partners ...
Associate Education Minister David Seymour says proposed changes to the Education and Training Amendment Bill will ensure charter schools have more flexibility to negotiate employment agreements and are equipped with the right teaching resources. âCabinet has agreed to progress an amendment which means unions will not be able to initiate ...
In response to serious concerns around oversight, overspend and a significant deterioration in financial outlook, the Board of Health New Zealand will be replaced with a Commissioner, Health Minister Dr Shane Reti announced today. âThe previous governmentâs botched health reforms have created significant financial challenges at Health NZ that, without ...
Minister for Space and Science, Innovation and Technology Judith Collins will travel to Adelaide tomorrow for space and science engagements, including speaking at the Australian Space Forum. While there she will also have meetings and visits with a focus on space, biotechnology and innovation. âNew Zealand has a thriving space ...
Climate Change Minister Simon Watts will travel to China on Saturday to attend the Ministerial on Climate Action meeting held in Wuhan. âAttending the Ministerial on Climate Action is an opportunity to advocate for New Zealand climate priorities and engage with our key partners on climate action,â Mr Watts says. ...
Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is travelling to the Solomon Islands tomorrow for meetings with his counterparts from around the Pacific supporting collective management of the regionâs fisheries. The 23rd Pacific Islands Forum Fisheries Committee and the 5th Regional Fisheries Ministersâ Meeting in Honiara from 23 to 26 July ...
The Government today launched the Military Style Academy Pilot at Te Au rere a te Tonga Youth Justice residence in Palmerston North, an important part of the Governmentâs plan to crackdown on youth crime and getting youth offenders back on track, Minister for Children, Karen Chhour said today. âOn the ...
The Government has welcomed news the NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) has begun work to replace nine priority bridges across the country to ensure our state highway network remains resilient, reliable, and efficient for road users, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says.âIncreasing productivity and economic growth is a key priority for the ...
Acting Prime Minister David Seymour has been in contact throughout the evening with senior officials who have coordinated a whole of government response to the global IT outage and can provide an update. The Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet has designated the National Emergency Management Agency as the ...
New Zealand and Japan will continue to step up their shared engagement with the Pacific, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. âNew Zealand and Japan have a strong, shared interest in a free, open and stable Pacific Islands region,â Mr Peters says. âWe are pleased to be finding more ways ...
New developments in the heart of North Island forestry country will reinvigorate their communities and boost economic development, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones visited Kaingaroa and Kawerau in Bay of Plenty today to open a landmark community centre in the former and a new connecting road in ...
President Adeang, fellow Ministers, honourable Diet Member Horii, Ambassadors, distinguished guests. Minasama, konnichiwa, and good afternoon, everyone. Distinguished guests, itâs a pleasure to be here with you today to talk about New Zealandâs foreign policy reset, the reasons for it, the values that underpin it, and how it ...
Last summer when Matairangi burned, Ginny and Tom stood at the window of their lounge, watching kÄkÄ shoot skyward from the burning trees. From the distance, they looked to Ginny like pages torn from books and thrown into a bonfire. It was Tom, voice tight, who told her it was ...
Opinion: The Canadian short story writer Alice Munro â winner of the Nobel Prize in Literature in 2013 â died in May at the age of 92. Her work was about “the damage people inflict on one another in the name of love”, Deborah Treisman wrote in the New Yorker. ...
This month marks two years since the most powerful telescope ever built sent its first pictures back to earth. From its lofty vantage point, beyond the moon in orbit around the sun, the James Webb Space Telescope was tuned to observe the first stars and galaxies being born soon after ...
Comment: After Climate Change Minister Simon Wattsâ preview several weeks ago, I had some optimism about the Governmentâs emissions reduction plan. Now Iâve read the discussion document, that hope has been dashed. How can the Government propose a plan that wants to take New Zealand taxpayersâ hard-earned money, and spend ...
Christopher Luxon: hurdles The little man from National jumps hurdles in his sleep. He’s quite good at it in his dreams and even though the reality doesn’t quite match up you have to give him credit for getting up every morning and crashing into the very first hurdle of the ...
Comment: It was a good two hours into the conversation when Tyrone Marks raised the most basic of questions when I first spoke to him in 2017. âThey didnât explain the things they did to me. They never told me why. And they still havenât. Thereâs no explanation for it. ...
Madeleine Chapman rounds out Death Week on The Spinoff with a final recommendation. You can read all of our Death Week coverage here. Nothing forces you to reflect on your life and relationships quite like proximity to death. For those whose nearest and dearest have died, there are reasonably obvious ...
Whitney Greene takes us through her life in television, including the TV character sheâd like to plan a funeral for and her cow lung catastrophe on The Traitors NZ. âIf the phone rings, I have to answer it,â Whitney Greene from The Traitors NZ warns as we begin our My ...
Maddie Ballard reviews the debut essay collection of PĆneke writer Flora Feltham.In âThe Raw Materialâ, the longest essay in Flora Felthamâs dazzling debut collection, the author heads out for a run after hours of weaving and sees the world turn to textile. âPounding along the Parade, I saw the ...
Andy Christiansen, one half of the experimental rock-pop duo TRiPS, shares the tunes inspiring the bandâs perfect weekend and new release. âGood speakers, good food, good music, no distractionsâ: thatâs all you need to enjoy the psychedelic stylings of TRiPS, a new band formed by Fly My Prettiesâ Barnaby Weir ...
Celebrating our quadrennial opportunity to become experts in a bunch of sports we never normally watch.The games of the XXXIII Olympiad are upon us. Paris will host this yearâs showcase of sporting and athletic prowess, which means some late-night and early-morning viewing for us in Aotearoa.But what sports ...
The photograph is striking and beautiful, but also disturbing â a reminder that my love for John was often entangled in shame.The Sunday Essay is made possible thanks to the support of Creative New Zealand.In the spring of 1980, in Dunedin, shortly before his death, someone took a photograph ...
Get to know Babushka, our latest Dog of the Month. This feature was offered as a reward during our Whatâs Eating Aotearoa PledgeMe campaign. Thank you to Babuâs humans, Jo and Isabel, for their support. Dog name: Babushka (Babu for short) Age: 2Breed: Border Collie X poodleIf rescued, ...
Pacific Media Watch A Lebanese photojournalist who was severely wounded during an Israeli air strike in south Lebanon carried the Olympic torch in Paris this week in honour of her peers who have been wounded and killed in the field â especially in Gaza and Lebanon. Christina Assi of Agence ...
The first report in a five-part web series focused on the 15th Triennial Conference of Pacific Women taking place in the Marshall Islands this week.SPECIAL REPORT:By Netani Rika in Majuro Women continue to fight for justice 70 years after the first nuclear tests by the United States caused ...
Christopher Luxon has joined with Australia and Canada's leaders in voicing support for US President Joe Biden's ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra The 2022 election brought the âteal waveâ into parliament. The next election will test whether teals, who occupy what were Liberal seats, and other independents can maintain their momentum. Joining us on the Podcast ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Ian Musgrave, Senior lecturer in Pharmacology, University of Adelaide Pixavri/Shutterstock A major Federal Court class action has been dismissed this week after Justice Michael Lee ruled there was not enough evidence to prove the weedkiller Roundup causes cancer. Plaintiff Kelvin ...
In The Week in Politics: politicians have to decide what to do about child abuse, Health NZ is booked in for major surgery and Darleen Tana returns. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Clare Corbould, Associate Professor, Contemporary Histories Research Group, Deakin University Mainstream media are surprisingly muted at the prospect of the worldâs most powerful nation being led for the first time by a woman â specifically a woman of colour, Vice President Kamala ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Rebecca Bennett, PhD Student, Associate Research Fellow, Deakin University Last week, a drone delivery company called Wing (owned by Googleâs parent company, Alphabet) started operating in Melbourne. Some 250,000 residents in parts of the cityâs eastern suburbs can now order food from ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Jonathan Foo, Lecturer, Physiotherapy, Monash University pikselstock/Shutterstock In the next 40 years in Australia, itâs predicted the number of Australians aged 65 and over will more than double, while the number of people aged 85 and over will more than triple. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Katrina Grant, Research Associate, Power Institute for Arts and Visual Culture, University of Sydney Jonas Ă kerström’s 1790 work, Session of the Accademia dell’Arcadia on August 17 1788.Nationalmuseum/Cecilia Heisser Ever wondered whether youâd have a better chance at winning an Olympic gold ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Alexandra Jones, Program Lead, Food Governance, George Institute for Global Health wavebreakmedia/Shutterstock On Thursday, Australian and New Zealand food ministers at state, federal and national levels met to thrash out whatâs next for health star ratings on packaged foods. Now, after ...
The Abuse in Care report found many Pacific survivors lost their connections to their culture and language, resulting in trauma that has been carried from generation to generation. ...
In the regulatory review, ECC intends to suggest that ERO focus on curriculum delivery reviews rather than the Ministry, because itâs not efficient or effective to have two agencies with radically different approaches climbing over each other. ...
Te RĆ«nanga Nui o NgÄ Kura Kaupapa MÄori invites the current government to work in partnership with them to develop a pathway forward, including the development of a parallel pathway and meaningful policy and strategy for Kura Kaupapa MÄori ...
If you havenât started watching yet, Tara Ward begs you to reconsider. This is an excerpt from our weekly pop culture newsletter Rec Room. Sign up here. In the world of New Zealand reality television, we have many gems in our crown. Thereâs the delicious second season of the Celebrity Treasure ...
A new poem by Fiona Kidman. The clothes of the dead I did not keep my motherâs furry red beret for long nor the stringy scarves that adorned the necks of my aunts, although I have kept tag ends of gold, the rings and trinkets they wore, the brooches no ...
The governmentâs announcement that it will re-open the foreshore and seabed controversy by changing the rules on recognising centuries-old MÄori customary title for a third time goes against the rule of law and New Zealand values,â Mr Tipa says. ...
The only published and available best-selling indie book chart in New Zealand is the top 10 sales list recorded every week at Unity Booksâ stores in High St, Auckland, and Willis St, Wellington.AUCKLAND1 Lioness by Emily Perkins (Bloomsbury, $25) Roarrrr! Perkinsâ brilliant, award-winning, Marian-Keyes anointed, darkly funny, long ...
The 2004 Act vested ownership of the foreshore and seabed in the Crown, extinguishing any MÄori claims to ownership and causing widespread outrage and protests among MÄori communities. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Antje Deckert, Associate Professor (Criminology), Auckland University of Technology Getty Images Despite the connection between institutional harm and gang membership made clear in this weekâs mammoth royal commission abuse-in care report, the government seems unlikely to soften its âget tough on ...
From Lewis Clareburt in the swimming to the start of the rowing â the first seven days of Paris 2024 promise to be big for New Zealand. There are few events that bring the country together quite like an Olympic Games. Nothing quite matches the excitement of getting up in ...
Groundbreaking local science just showed up in the most surprising of places: the season finale of The Kardashians. In the season five finale of The Kardashians last night, several members of the family gathered together in one of their signature empty, cream-coloured rooms to hear test results that had been ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Amin Saikal, Emeritus professor of Middle Eastern and Central Asian Studies, Australian National University The Middle East is on the brink of a possibly devastating regional war, with hostilities between Israel and Hezbollah reaching an extremely dangerous level. Washington has engaged in ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Laura Elizabeth Eades, Rheumatologist, Monash University Lupus is an inflammatory autoimmune illness, where the bodyâs immune system mistakenly attacks itself. Lupus can affect virtually any part of the body, although it most commonly affects the skin, joints and kidneys. The symptoms ...
A law firm that specialises in working with survivors of abuse in State care is disappointed that the Government fails to recognise that its boot camps can be directly compared to previous boot camps from the 1990s and 2000s. ...
Dying is a natural part of life, like updating your Wof or seeing your hairdresser, but without the word-of-mouth recs that help guarantee a good service. What if we changed that? Dying Reviews received by The Spinoff have had the names of organisations redacted while Hospice NZ collects further data. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Jonti Horner, Professor (Astrophysics), University of Southern Queensland Mike Lewinski/Flickr, CC BY On any clear night, if you gaze skywards long enough, chances are youâll see a meteor streaking through the sky. Some nights, however, are better than others. At ...
Despite having no bars or other designated spaces for lesbians, Auckland boasts a small but mighty lesbian museum. So how did it get here? The past 18 months has brought increasing hostility towards the queer community across Aotearoa. Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshullâs anti-trans rally in Tamaki Makaurau last March led to a ...
Poneke Antifascist Coalition has invited Wellingtonians to stand in solidarity with the Kanak people at 12pm today outside the French Embassy in Wellington. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Peter Layton, Visiting Fellow, Strategic Studies, Griffith University Drones are the signature technology of the Ukraine war. A few miniature aircraft designs were used in the warâs early days, but an incredible array of drones have now evolved. There are different types, ...
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C’mon JK – just stick to the script that your minders give you!! You know you can’t open your mouth without saying something stupid.
How the hell will he win the election trying to think for himself!? đ
Wow. Some could begin to arguye that you guys are pathetic.
Is the strength of your argument for another Labour government these piddling little one-ups.
Matthew Pilott – To suggest that John is stupid is non-sensical. Surely someone who has been as success as Mr. Key is not stupid. I mean c’mon! Get real guys.
It shows a lack of judgment on John Key’s part, EWS. Nothing more, nothing less.
farcical reasonfor invading Iraq?
Should discredit everything else that person says from that point on. They arent an expert, they obviously have political reasons to weigh in on this issue.
All you have done is say, “look, someone else who hates John Key as much as I do, agrees with me!”
Eh? So the guy says something you don’t like about an unrelated matter so he can’t be an expert in something that he’s worked on for a decade?
“Matthew Pilott – To suggest that John is stupid is non-sensical. Surely someone who has been as success as Mr. Key is not stupid. I mean c’mon!”
So how about Michael Campbell for PM, or Tana Umaga, Marc Ellis or Jason Gunn – they have all been very sucessful in their fields.
Making money by speculating is not the sign of a good elected representative or Prime Minister. I would choose to base it upon his words or actions outside of his previous profession.
Kimble, how do you know that Mr Bhana isn’t a fisherman by trade, and that his expertise is on the letter’s main topic? Why dismiss it out of hand because it says something you don’t agree with?
“Making money by speculating is not the sign of a good elected representative”
I believe John Key was elected with a larger majority in his second MP election than his first. Obviously his consistuents believe he is doing a good job. You are nothing if not amusing Matthew.
lemsip, he had a far higher profile by then, as everyone was waiting for him to bump old donnie BrashCo. I’d be worried if he did not do better.
Do you disagree with the comment that making money by speculating is not the sign of a good elected representative? that is what was meant by his ‘success’, I’d guess…
Kimble: where are the WMD’s, cause I am all out.
I like the bit about having ‘worked with and filmed sharks for more than a decade’, quite compelling. You still want to stop crab guy doing his job?
My original point is that JK should not shoot from the hip, its not his strong point, still stands! I think JK is smart and IMO its ok for a politician to say ‘i don’t know until I get the facts’, would make me consider them as a thinker instead of a shoot first type, like Cullen did today. Classic example of it!
You are such an intellectual lightweight Matthew. When you are confronted with inconvenient facts it is okay to admit you may have been mistaken. To do so is a sign of maturity and intellect.
“Do you disagree with the comment that making money by speculating is not the sign of a good elected representative?”
I don’t accept your premise that being good at making money is a sign of a bad elected representative. I think it is neutral. However, what it does show is that John Key CAN be successful. The fact that he increased his winning electorate margin by over 10200 votes also suggests he CAN be successful and importantly, in more than making money. Hell if he wins this year he may increase his winning margin in 2011.
What I do know Matthew is that you could never be as successful as John Key in either making money or being an MP. Nor would you ever be considered to be prime ministerial quality by over half the population in more than one randomly sampled poll. I doubt I could be either.
actually let me rephrase – I don’t think you could lead a party that is judged to be government quality by over half the population in more than one randomly sampled poll. My apologies
speaking of the odd use of “experts”, check this out
http://thesproutandthebean.wordpress.com/2008/01/17/disgraceful-bias-by-the-herald-again/
someone really should tell the Herald staff about google.
Gosh there are some sick fooks around here… haven’t been here before… is this sponsored by the Labour party? Sure looks like something of that kind.
“Kimble: where are the WMD’s, cause I am all out.”
The point isnt Iraq and WMDs, it is that within the first sentence he has shown that he is unreliable partisan rather than any sort of objective expert.
If you saw a letter to the editor saying “As a vet I have worked with dogs for 25 years, and Labours policy on chipping them is simply more social engineering and manipulation from nanny-statists and socialist lickspittles.”
Would you accept that their opinion is genuine, or would you suspect that their opinion is coloured just a little by their rabid hatred of the left wing? Mmm?
It is Mike Bhanas obvious hatred of Key that makes me dismiss his opinion out of hand.
“Do you disagree with the comment that making money by speculating is not the sign of a good elected representative?”
Yes, I do. Do you know what his actual job was and what that entailed?
I think it is obvious that what you really wanted to say was,
“Do you disagree that making money is not the sign of a good elected representative?”
Kimble: Well i suspect the Iraq and JK comments were to ensure the letter got in the paper, but don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.
my question remains unanswered:
‘You still want to stop crab guy doing his job?’
based on a guy that has worked with sharks for over a decade!
‘It is Mike Bhanas obvious hatred of Key that makes me dismiss his opinion out of hand.’
don’t think its obvious hatred, disdain for blaming the crab guy based on no evidence maybe.
Bhana is a well known well traveled and much admired surfer and videographer. His comments about GWB appear to be pretty much tongue in cheek but once again Kimble and his ilk determine that if you’re anti war you must be written off as an anti American BBC watching Key hating Labour supporting collectivist pinko leftard. Never mind that the mans opinions and world view are based on experiences that most can only dream about.
And almost a year out from elections Keys shooting from the lip is a gift to labour thats going to keep on giving.
So the word has gone out to the labour drones to send letters in about anything, just make sure they contain phrases about the War in Iraq and John Key. Desperate and pathetic…
“don’t think its obvious hatred, disdain for blaming the crab guy based on no evidence maybe.”
Riiiight. That last line about Key actually complaining about a poor comrade trying to scratch up a living wage near his pristine, upper class beach is sooooo neutral. It is obvious that his concern is all about the poor crabber and he is just miffed the way Key has destroyed this poor guys life. Whatever.
“And almost a year out from elections Keys shooting from the lip is a gift to labour thats going to keep on giving.”
Yeah, people that would never have voted for National in a million years are confirming they wont vote for them in the next election. What a coup.
“I think it is obvious that what you really wanted to say was,
“Do you disagree that making money is not the sign of a good elected representative?“Â
Kimble, you are completely right there, believe it or not. For example, selling drugs can be quite profitable – do you think that’s the sign of a good MP? Prostitution perhaps? Selling child porn…
Lemsip, I agree he’s doing well as an MP on the face of it. however when people talk about his ‘success’ they are generally referring to his work prior to becoming an MP. If my comment confused you because of that I’m truly sorry.
“,“Do you disagree with the comment that making money by speculating is not the sign of a good elected representative?”Â
I don’t accept your premise that being good at making money is a sign of a bad elected representative. ”
For an initllectual heavyweight such as yourself, I’m surprised you’d make the mistake of falsely inverting a statement, nice false premise you tried to use there though. Did you think it would slip past a lightweight such as myself?
Kimble: You still have not answered my question, based on John Keys Gut instinct about sharks or a guy that obviously doesn’t like john key but knows lots about sharks – ‘would You still want to stop crab guy doing his job?’
Matthew my mistake – sorry – too much caffiene and little sleep. But heres the rub for you – there is evidence that John Key is a successful elected representative i.e. his constituents reelected him with a significantly larger winning margin. That significantly weakens your little argument “I would choose to base it upon his words or actions outside of his previous profession.” His current profession IS being an ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE and judging by the only firm quantitative measure available he’s successful at his job.
lemsip – I won’t disagree with that, as an MP he is doing very well, based upon his polling. This will be the year to tell, won’t it?
I guess now when people say he’s successful they aren’t just talking about his old job either, as may have been the case when he started out…
‘would You still want to stop crab guy doing his job?’
Based on as little information as we have here? No.
What Key said was that the ministry should be able to issue cease and desist orders if they thought it was in the interest of public saftey. A person in the ministry has confirmed that currently they cant.
Do you know how close the crab pots are to the beach? Do you know how far away from the shore the burley bombs are being dropped? No. You dont know either of those things.
Matthew, do you disagree with the statement that being a woman is not a sign of a good elected representative?
Matthew, do you disagree with the statement that being a maori is not a sign of a good elected representative?
Matthew, do you disagree with the statement that being a homosexual is not a sign of a good elected representative?
Matthew, do you disagree with the statement that being a muslim is not a sign of a good elected representative?
‘would You still want to stop crab guy doing his job?’
Based on as little information as we have here? No.
What Key said was that the ministry should be able to issue cease and desist orders if they thought it was in the interest of public saftey. A person in the ministry has confirmed that currently they cant.
Do you know how close the crab pots are to the beach? Do you know how far away from the shore the burley bombs are being dropped? No. You dont know either of those things.
Matthew, do you disagree with the statement that being a woman is not a sign of a good elected representative?
Matthew, do you disagree with the statement that being a maori is not a sign of a good elected representative?
Matthew, do you disagree with the statement that being a homosexual is not a sign of a good elected representative?
Matthew, do you disagree with the statement that being a muslim is not a sign of a good elected representative?
Matthew, do you disagree with the statement that being the leader of a group of people, being informed and knowledgeable about the current economic state of multiple inter-related countries, making decisions about the characteristics and performance of employees, being experienced in deciding between often conflicting view points from people who are both experts in their field, being in a position that often requires split-second decision making, being experienced with, and successful in, high pressure situations, being a member of a high level committee with a lot of responsibility, being in a position to make decisions with far-reaching consequences, and to do all this successfully, ARE signs of a good elected representative?
Maybe this will make the decision easier for you. Imagine instead of actually DOING all that stuff, John Key was just teaching it.
“Matthew, do you disagree with the statement that being the leader of a group of people, being informed and knowledgeable about the current economic state of multiple inter-related countries, making decisions about the characteristics and performance of employees, being experienced in deciding between often conflicting view points from people who are both experts in their field, being in a position that often requires split-second decision making, being experienced with, and successful in, high pressure situations, being a member of a high level committee with a lot of responsibility, being in a position to make decisions with far-reaching consequences, and to do all this successfully, ARE signs of a good elected representative?”
Drug dealers do have a lot on their plates don’t they? So, when is the Medellin cartel coming to town?
I think we have isolated the problem. You think that currency trading is the equivalent of drug dealing.
No, the problem is the skills you mentioned could apply to the head of a criminal organisation such as the mafia or a drug cartel, equally as much as a currency trader.
Maybe, with that realisation, you’ll start to get my point.
Kimble said:
‘Based on as little information as we have here? No.’
thanks for the answer, I am not trying to goad you, just sayin that we can make better decisions when we have the facts, and JK should know better. He has been doing this for a few years now…Oh and cullens little email of venom was just as silly!
‘Do you know how close the crab pots are to the beach? Do you know how far away from the shore the burley bombs are being dropped? No. You dont know either of those things.’
yeah I do cause I was there over new years, and they are quite far away from the one place where you can safely swim at omaha. I have to say most people don’t fish around omaha itself, but further round the point toward leigh…
Anyway its too hot i am off to the beach for a shark free swim. Cheers Kimble. đ
No, I get that. I got it at the start. The traits of good leaders are generally the same no matter whether they run a country, a corporation, or a criminal organisation.
So Keys history of good leadership is relevant to his suitability for the elected role he is running for.
The only way you can discount his suitability as the leader of this country is if you object to the field in which he gained those skills.
Where he gained his skills is relevant, as you point out, we dont want a great leader that has spent his life thus far working outside the law, as a drug lord has.
So what is it about being involved with currency trading that makes you call into question Keys suitability for the role of leader of NZ?
Bear in mind, he didnt actually make his entire wealth sitting in front of a terminal, trading currency. He is likely to have made the lion’s share as salary and bonuses for his work as a leader.
“Anyway its too hot i am off to the beach for a shark free swim.”
You hope it is shark free. Given that the ministry of fisheries cant stop someone laying baited crab pots around beaches where people swim, and that sharks are attracted by the things they use as bait, I guess you just have to hope that no one has decided to increase your risk of shark attack to make a few quid.
“Where he gained his skills is relevant, as you point out, we dont want a great leader that has spent his life thus far working outside the law, as a drug lord has.
So what is it about being involved with currency trading that makes you call into question Keys suitability for the role of leader of NZ?”
Your first statement here sort of answers the second, in that it’s not being sucessful as a currency trader that would make a good leader. A good trader might also be a hard-as-nails obnoxious semi-alcoholic pig. It is other qualities you look for – personal traits if you will. A drug lord probably lacks the latter – they might have the same skills as teh currency trader, but also have the tendency to take out the opposition with automatic gunfire.
So I’m saying, as I have from the start, that being a good currency trader won’t make him a good leader per se – you’ll note I didn’t say it was a bad sign either!
No, being a good trader doesnt mean you will be a good leader. But Key wasnt a trader, he was a leader.
He led a group of people who would have included some currency speculators. He was a successful leader but you are discounting this entirely because he was involved in currency trading. So what is wrong with currency trading (as an industry) that makes his leadership experience in that field invalid?
meh. Sounds like he made an off the cuff remark that was wrong.
So freaking what. What matters are the policy decisions that politicians make, not their slip of the tongue gaffs.
Honestly, if a labour cabinet minister had said the same thing, would the same people who are profess dismay at John Key saying this also be dismayed then? would the same people who think it’s no big deal now also think it’s no big deal then?
I try not to listen to people who I think hold their affiliation to a party over ‘mere facts’
Kimble, I don’t know John Key as well as you seem to be describing him. The anecdotal evidence I have from people I do know who have met him doesn’t quite match the picture you are painting though.
“making money by speculating isn’t the sign of a good leader”
“He was a successful leader but you are discounting this entirely because he was involved in currency trading. ”
“as I have from the start, that being a good currency trader won’t make him a good leader ”
Shall we quit this stupid topic, you’re trying to trap me with something I never said.
Matthew you just dont seem to be getting it. His job was in the Global Head of Foreign Exchange, he wasnt a trader.
So you cant just say that being a good trader doesnt mean he would be a good leader, because he wasn’t a trader, he was a good leader!
Are you trying to say that being a good leader doesnt have anything to do with be a good leader?
You said, “I would choose to base it upon his words or actions outside of his previous profession.”
Oh really? I am sure if he had awful in his previous profession you wouldn’t give him a free pass.
Why is it that some humans think they must dominate every other living thing on the planet to suit themselves? What is wrong with some sharks enjoying a bit of ‘sunbathing’? After all, they DO live in the ocean, unlike ourselves. Maybe the warm summer and calm weather is due to, dare I say it, ‘global warming’, and we’d better get used to it.
Here in Hawke’s Bay we have our own ‘Coruba Shark Hunt’; what an embarrassment and insult to host this despicable event, and it’s not like sharkmeat is on any menu in the Bay, in fact the pitiful sharks caught end up at the local tip.
So, Simon Tremain (Nat. Party, Napier), since you’re into protecting the “environment” http://www.stuff.co.nz/4357598a6479.html) when will you get some balls and speak up about the pointless killing of sharks?
I don’t see many people complaining about the amount of shark bait thrown around the oceans during the Coruba Shark Hunt.
aladin
“So what is wrong with currency trading (as an industry) that makes his leadership experience in that field invalid?”
So much buddy, There is a lot of honesty coming out of wall street these days and it really paints the world of traders and brokers as the absurd capital casino it is. The best traders in wall street are known as “big swinging dicks”…..that’s a term of reverse endearment , read macho no neck arseholes.
Hitler was a good leader for a while, the germans loved him in the 1930’s. ….leadership is contextual.
The fear is Key lacks an empathy for outcomes.If that doesn’t bother you I guess you’ll vote for him. A prerequisite for modern government will be an ability to acknowledge the complexities and multiple layers involved in the adminstration of a nations citizenry. You see that coming to play in the U.S as Bush totally shoots up the rightwing playbook with an endless energy of brainless ,hopelessly unstraight shooting.Key seems to be fixated on productivity supplied by pressure. He wont feel the pressure, it’ll be us who get asked to find the x-factor undefineable surge in our all ready too crowded working week.
This link has been posted around this site a few times by various people but I think this calls for another airing to give you an idea of the kind of profession we’re talking about.
John is a twit for getting involved in this but;
Bhana’s a fucking idiot.
Berley bombs you get from fish city weigh about three kilos each. It is possible to buy a big ten or fifteen kilo one, but they hardly ever get used, and if they do it’s mainly on an offshore sort of trip. A three kilo berley bomb lasts ages, and would do you for an afternoon’s fishing.
Each crab pot has around a kilo of bait in it, and with around to seventy or eighty pots in the vicinity of the beach, well, even you idiots can do the math. The pots are re-baited daily. That’s around seventy kilos of berley per day, or the equivalent of at least twenty boats anchoring and berleying up off Omaha beach every day.
Apparently Bhana’s either lying or stupid, or quite likely both, much like the authors of this piece of shit blog.
Plus, nobody buys a big flash boat to anchor 200 yards of Omaha beach and fish.
steveB said: “Apparently Bhana’s either lying or stupid, or quite likely both, much like the authors of this piece of shit blog.”
very substantive argument, also very grown up. I appluad you sir! But befor you give us your amazing insights please read this:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10487650
thats people who know sharks…So what evidence do you have that Mr Bhana is wrong on sharks???? Then what would you do restrict the crab guy or tell the swimmers to sunbathe instead. As your an obvious expert on the subject.
“Plus, nobody buys a big flash boat to anchor 200 yards of Omaha beach and fish.”
that is a fair statement.