Assange Must Be Extradited

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1. Andre 1

   14 April 2019 at 12:09 pm

   It’s a common comment that the hacking charge might be just a holding charge to get their hands on him, then whack him with a whole bunch more. But apparently it’s not that easy to slap him with extra charges after they get their hands on him.

   If there’s a downside to contesting the extradition, it’s that the U.S. is free to revise or extend the charges right up to the point Assange is shipped out. After that, the charges are carved in stone under a principal called “specialty protection.”

   “Once he is extradited on specific charges, they are stuck with those,” former Justice Department prosecutor Christopher Ott told the Daily Beast. “There is a whole art to that process best typified by the multi-year effort to extradite El Chapo.”

   That means that the U.S. can’t grab Assange on a hacking charge and then slam him with an espionage indictment when he lands in the states–any new charges would require the U.S. go through the UK courts all over again, even if he’s already in a U.S. jail.

   https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-wikileaks-assange-could-beat-the-us-and-stay-out-of-jail?ref=home

   Of course once the US got hold of him they could just blow off their legal obligation and do what they want anyway and say to the UK “whaddaya gonna do abouddit?”. There’s that irony again that the terracotta turdface is much more likely to do that than Hillary would have been. Also the irony that the US might be less concerned about pissing off an isolated post-Brexit UK than potentially pissing off the whole EU.

   (if this looks vaguely familiar it’s copy and paste from a discussion with maggieinnz on the Assange Arrested post)
   • Dukeofurl 1.1

     14 April 2019 at 8:40 pm

     Doesn’t he UK have the same provisions as NZ, where the charge you have on the extradition warrant is the only charge you can face in US?.

     I think you are speculating that the US would flick off Britain, and say ‘So what’s. You fogett that extradition is legally binding treaty, and a US judge would be bound to release him in those circumstances.
     Post Brexit is just fanciful nonsense, as Britain is deeply embedded in 5 eyes. No one else in Europe is anything like that. Why is it so much post Brexit speculation based on fanatasy
     • Andre 1.1.1

       14 April 2019 at 8:52 pm

       Yes, the article linked here and other articles I’ve linked elsewhere all agree the laws say the charges you face have to be on the extradition warrant. Or any new charges have to go through getting approved by a similar level court and process as the extradition.

       In normal times, there’d be no chance the US would be so incredibly disrespectful to such a close ally by blowing off correct process. But with Genghis Con in the Oval Office, these are far from normal times. He wouldn’t think twice about trying to trash due process and trash the relationship with a close ally if he thought he would somehow personally gain from it. Think about how many times he’s already done that.
2. The Al1en 2

   14 April 2019 at 12:19 pm

   Agree that after any prison time for bail jumping, he shouldn’t be extradited to the US from the UK, TRP, and if Sweden does reopen the cases against him, then that is where he should be delivered.

   If the Swedes don’t restart legal proceedings, then Assange should be deported back to his country of birth and barred from returning… Like aussie does to NZ born criminals.
   • Andrew Mcguiness 2.1

     4 May 2019 at 2:02 am

     Assange is hardly a criminal though – he has been charged and convicted for absconding bail (although the court could have ruled that he had good cause, due to death threats from the US); and he has been charged but not tried by the US. He's innocent until proven guilty, even if you're sick of hearing about it.
     • The Al1en 2.1.1

       4 May 2019 at 10:22 am

       After his 50 weeks in the nick is up the UK should just deport him back to Australia and be done.
3. Adrian Thornton 3

   14 April 2019 at 12:20 pm

   Sweden has never given Assages lawyers any guarantees that Assange would not be extradited to the USA, so am not sure where you get the idea of his safety in the arms of Sweden from…the Guardian maybe?

   “Ecuador’s rationale for granting asylum to Assange has often been overlooked. Ecuadorian officials, along with Assange’s supporters, have always insisted that they wanted the investigation in Sweden to proceed, and vowed that Assange would board the next plane to Stockholm if Sweden gave assurances that it would not extradite him to the U.S. to face charges relating to WikiLeaks’s publication of documents. It was Sweden’s refusal to issue such guarantees — and Ecuador’s fears that Assange would end up being persecuted by the U.S. — that has been the basis for its asylum protections.”
   https://theintercept.com/2017/05/19/sweden-withdraws-arrest-warrant-for-julian-assange-but-he-still-faces-serious-legal-jeopardy/

   However, the question remains for ‘left’ Assange detractors whose uncritical spewing of the establishment narrative is blinding themselves to their unwitting support of their own oppression.
   • francesca 3.1

     14 April 2019 at 12:40 pm

     Any clues TRP as to why Anna Ardin continued to allow Assange to sleep in her bed with her for several days after the alleged rape, continue to attend events with him and organise a “crayfish” party in his honour?Volunteered to be his press secretary the day after the alleged rape
     And then after Assange and her discussed his plan to sleep with Sofia Wilen (known to Ardin and a member of the same organisation) Ardin failed to warn Sofia that Assange was , according to her, a rapist?

     https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/why-i-am-convinced-that-anna-ardin-is-a-liar/comment-page-10/

     I am not comfortable with calling Ardin or any woman a liar , but there are some questions here to be considered.
     • Psycho Milt 3.1.1

       14 April 2019 at 1:10 pm

       I am not comfortable with calling Ardin or any woman a liar , but there are some questions here to be considered.
       

       As the Republicans said about Christine Blasey Ford…
     • The Al1en 3.1.2

       14 April 2019 at 1:14 pm

       Any clues francesca,why some women don’t report rape or sexual assaults for months, years or decades later? Some whom will live, work or associate with their attackers all the while.

       Shocking apologist nonsense.
       If he’s innocent, he’ll get found not guilty.
       Most non guilty accused fight tooth and nail to get that verdict, but not Assange. Why?
       • Formerly Ross 3.1.2.1

         14 April 2019 at 2:21 pm

         If he’s innocent, he’ll get found not guilty.

         Your faith in the UK and US justice systems is touching. Do you also believe in Father Christmas and the tooth fairy?

         https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wrongful_convictions_in_the_United_States

         https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6849355/Cleared-Jill-Dando-murder-suspect-Barry-Georges-indignant-words-extraordinary-encounter.html

         https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_Six

         https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guildford_Four_and_Maguire_Seven
         • The Al1en 3.1.2.1.1

           14 April 2019 at 2:43 pm

           Unless you know different, Assange won’t be tried for his Swedish crimes in England or the states, will he? 🙄

           https://nomadcapitalist.com/2017/04/30/best-countries-rule-of-law/

           https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/datablog/2015/jun/02/global-ranking-corruption-world-justice-project-aims-promote-good-governance
       • francesca 3.1.2.2

         14 April 2019 at 5:01 pm

         The Alien
         Yep
         learned helplessness …
         Does not apply in this case
         A strong and feisty young woman
     • greywarshark 3.1.3

       14 April 2019 at 1:41 pm

       Interesting Fransesca about those details of the post-event activities.

       I got the idea that a rigid, authoritarian female Swedish official was going to bag this guy no matter what.
       
       On 20 August 2010, two women, Sofia Wilen, a 26-year-old living in Enköping and Anna Ardin, a 31-year-old living in Stockholm,[4][5] jointly went to the Swedish police not seeking to bring charges against Assange but in order to track him down and persuade him to be tested for sexually transmitted diseases after their separate sexual encounters with him.[6][7] The police told them that they could not simply tell Assange to take a test, but that their statements would be passed to the prosecutor….

       On 1 September 2010, Överåklagare (Director of Public Prosecution) Marianne Ny decided to resume the preliminary investigation concerning all of the original allegations. On 18 August 2010, Assange had applied for a work and residence permit in Sweden.[16][17] On 18 October 2010, his request was denied.[16][17][18] He left Sweden on 27 September 2010. According to one source his departure was with the permission of the Swedish authorities.[19] Another source claims that the Swedish authorities notified Assange’s lawyer of his imminent arrest on that same day.[20]
       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assange_v_Swedish_Prosecution_Authority#Complaints_and_initial_investigation

       So quite a while in which to cook up a story against Assange. And the women’s first lawyer seems to have championed women’s rights as his main theme to keep him in the political spotlight which may have coloured his ideas about the application of the law in this instance. Certainly he was replaced, and there was a comment that he didn’t seem really interested in his clients.
       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claes_Borgstr%C3%B6m

       Do women rising to top positions want to be seen as harder and more uncomprising than men? The Swedish Director of Public Prosecutions took this case to the limits. It reminded me of the hard attitude in the USA of Carmen Ortiz (*In 2009, Carmen Ortiz was appointed U.S. Attorney for Massachusetts, becoming both the first woman and the first Latina to fill the position.)

       I am thinking of Carmen Ortiz and Aaron Swartz particularly; a case where private business and public citizen interests clashed head on.
       https://www.thedailybeast.com/aaron-swartzs-unbending-prosecutors-insisted-on-prison-time
       http://mattofboston.com/will-the-untimely-death-of-aaron-swartz-make-carmen-ortiz-recognize-she-too-can-commit-an-injustice/
       *http://aldianews.com/articles/leaders/professionals/carmen-ortiz-trailblazer-women-and-hispanics-law-profession/54444
       • francesca 3.1.3.1

         14 April 2019 at 7:01 pm

         Thanks Grey
         It’s really interesting to look at the articles written at the time
         The ABC Australian Broadcasting Corp did an in depth doco Sex Lies and Assange
         there is a transcript if you cant be bothered watching.
         These days we are just told Assange is accused of rape, without any qualifying information
         Back before the smear campaign started, there was a lot of suspicion aired about the whole thing and its timing.
         Who knows.
         But there seems to be so much testimony and evidence that is known–the womens police statements, Assange’s answers to interrogation, The women’s communications with each other , the lab reports of the broken condom submitted(came up empty of any of Assange’s DNA) that it should be possible to come to a determination .
         And of course an awful lot of he said , she said. But there are witnesses who also gave testimony at the time to corroborate what he or she said

         https://www.abc.net.au/4corners/sex-lies-and-julian-assange/4156420
     • reason 3.1.4

       14 April 2019 at 2:49 pm

       francesca ….. TRP threatened to ban me on one of his anti assange campaign authors posts ….

       So for the first time in about 7 years of posting it got dragged out of me ….. that a pedophile had been released from jail into a newly separated solo mums house …. to be a lodger / Border …. and babysit the boys….. of whom I was one.

       The Al1en called my post “Faux” … which I took to mean false.

       I asked TRP if he was going to let that stand …… his reply ‘Yup … you were rude to me.

       Maybe TRP actually thought my post was ‘Faux’ ….. I’m prepared

       to have a $1000 bet a $10,000 bet that I can prove everything about my border / lodger ….. who ended up hanging himself while on remand for sever abuse of a very young baby boy….. money to charity off course .

       But I shouldn’t have had to had that dragged out before I was ‘legit’ … to comment against TRPs take.

       And TRP should never have let the Al1ens your a bullshitter stand…..

       Lowest day I’d seen at the standard on a personal level ……

       Finally TRP should chase the rapey ones in our customs and immigration service ….imo

       Its a good thing TRP was not on call for Labours handling of the drunken assults at their youth event ….
       • The Al1en 3.1.4.1

         14 April 2019 at 2:54 pm

         Not that I’m contesting calling you fake, but it’s only fair you provide the link for scrutiny, so we can read in full the exchanges, assess any context etc

         And it has to be said, playing the victim card in an unrelated thread, is as bad as using the chch victims to attack a fellow commenter here.
         • reason 3.1.4.1.1

           14 April 2019 at 3:08 pm

           TRP can dig it up …. I mean how many author posts has he done in his campaign against assange?? ….a

           Have you joined in most ….The Al!en ??

           cant remember the one where you claim I was “Faux”

           anyway once more

           ————————————————-

           TRP threatened to ban me on one of his anti assange campaign authors posts ….

           So for the first time in about 7 years of posting it got dragged out of me ….. that a pedophile had been released from jail into a newly separated solo mums house …. to be a lodger / Border …. and babysit the boys….. of whom I was one.

           The Al1en called my post “Faux” … which I took to mean false.

           I asked TRP if he was going to let that stand …… his reply ‘Yup … you were rude to me.

           Maybe TRP actually thought my post was ‘Faux’ ….. I’m prepared

           to have a $1000 bet a $10,000 bet that I can prove everything about my border / lodger ….. who ended up hanging himself while on remand for sever abuse of a very young baby boy….. money to charity off course .

           But I shouldn’t have had to had that dragged out before I was ‘legit’ … to comment against TRPs take.

           And TRP should never have let the Al1ens ‘your a bullshitter’ stand…..

           your a slimey prick ……The Al1en …. go stand with James …. TRP s got your backs 😉

           Shame TRP’ s has your nasty side and true concern for rape / sexual assault victims on show …. and TRP s backing for you on show …..

           You have all the cred of
           • The Al1en 3.1.4.1.1.1

             14 April 2019 at 3:17 pm

             So no link from you, then, but with or without it, I don’t accept your version of history. You’re not known for accuracy and interpreting text.

             However, I remember the comment, and the one I made after it, and the private email I sent TRP apologising for the post appearing in his topic at all in the first instance.

             “your a slimey prick ……The Al1en …. go stand with James”

             Don’t agree with his politics, but I’d be happier to share a cider with him than with you any day. More so if it came with some bbq steak.
             Indisputable fact.
             • reason …

               14 April 2019 at 3:30 pm

               private email to TRP ….what the fuck The Al1en ????

               “However, I remember the comment, and the one I made after it, and the private email I sent TRP apologising for the post appearing at all in the first instance.”

               Sounds legit ….. and he took ownership of your…. ‘ your a bullshitter’ , Faux commentator post.

               Because this topic is about your combined abuse of sexual abuse survivors victims .

               And you look like fuckin hypocrites ………
               • The Al1en …

                 14 April 2019 at 3:41 pm

                 lol

                 The comment I made was “Fuck off lying and take you faux outrage with you Philip ure”

                 And TRP’s mod edit in a subsequent post stated “[Given that you’d normally be banned for calling an author an arsehole, I think you should take the same charitable approach to al1en’s reply. Just ignore it. The reference to the esteemed Mr Ure was … presumably … because … you both … like using lots of dots in your comments. TRP]”

                 Like I wrote above, you’re not trustworthy for accuracy in interpreting text.

                 That so called threat to ban you was thus “No more MRA style weasel words please. And next time you feel the urge to call an author an arsehole, look in the mirror first, take a deep breath, and don’t do it. You’ve got valid points to add to the discussions at TS, none of which will be heard if you are banned. Understand?”

                 As it happens, for some reason I wasn’t able to post at the time, though I still tried every so often. At work one day, with a change in ip address, the comment I didn’t expect to get through, did. Even though I own it, it was in bad taste, so I felt the need to apologise to the topic author for it. I found an email address and used it.

                 If only you were man enough to face up to the shite you post and then say sorry for it. That’s the difference between us, I guess. A huge gap and one I’m proud of. 😉

                 And yeah, for the record, there’s still a perception that you’re a sock puppet and thus a liar. It’s all over your posts and in the writing tone.
                 • reason …

                   14 April 2019 at 3:55 pm

                   lol yourself sicko

                   you were referring to my post about …. once more

                   ” for the first time in about 7 years of posting it got dragged out of me ….. that a pedophile had been released from jail into a newly separated solo mums house …. to be a lodger / Border …. and babysit the boys….. of whom I was one.

                   The Al1en called my post “Faux” … which I took to mean false.

                   what you actually wrote ““Fuck off lying and take you faux outrage with you Philip ure”

                   I asked TRP if he was going to let that stand …… his reply ‘Yup … you were rude to me.

                   Maybe TRP actually thought my post was ‘Faux’ ….. I’m prepared

                   to have a $1000 bet a $10,000 bet that I can prove everything about my border / lodger ….. who ended up hanging himself while on remand for sever abuse of a very young baby boy….. money to charity off course .

                   But I shouldn’t have had to had that dragged out before I was ‘legit’ … to comment against TRPs take.

                   And TRP should never have let the Al1ens ‘your a bullshitter’ stand…..

                   your actually doubling down

                   ” for the record, there’s still a perception that you’re a sock puppet and thus a liar. It’s all over your posts and in the writing tone.”

                   $10,000 ….to $100,000 bet …. proceeds to charity

                   what a bonus for showing what Faux bullshitter s TRP and yourself make .

                   I’m also not Phil Ure you Al1en knob head …..
                   • The Al1en …

                     14 April 2019 at 3:56 pm

                     See the comment above 🙄
                   • The Al1en …

                     14 April 2019 at 4:03 pm

                     “I asked TRP if he was going to let that stand …… his reply ‘Yup … you were rude to me.”

                     I’ve directly quoted from the posts in that thread. Nowhere in the exchange did TRP ever write ‘Yup … you were rude to me.
                     That’s a lie, isn’t it?

                     “I’m also not Phil Ure you Al1en knob head ….”

                     That doesn’t really advance your defence 😉

                     ” for the record, there’s still a perception that you’re a sock puppet and thus a liar. It’s all over your posts and in the writing tone.”

                     $10,000 ….to $100,000 bet …. proceeds to charity”

                     That there’s a ‘perception’ is a bet I’d win.
                     If only I could gamble with imaginary money.
                   • reason …

                     14 April 2019 at 4:09 pm

                     And TRP was being an arsehole in this thread of his ….

                     As always what I wrote was the truth ….

                     and TRP spat on the honest and real opinions of more sever sexual assault victims ….. whom I had asked what they thought of the assange assault allegations.

                     I never lied anywhere in what I wrote ….. and especially not the one you decided to say

                     “““Fuck off lying and take you faux outrage with you Philip ure”

                     James is loving your smell of shit in TRP s thread …. The Al1en

                     Its a smelly posse ya all got now …….

                     He’ll meat you in the toilets for ‘sandwhiches’ …. the uber drivers know the way
                   • The Al1en …

                     14 April 2019 at 4:14 pm

                     I’ve quoted directly from the thread. No argument from me. It’s black and white.

                     “I asked TRP if he was going to let that stand …… his reply ‘Yup … you were rude to me.”

                     That was never posted in the whole exchange. Link to it.
           • reason 3.1.4.1.1.2

             14 April 2019 at 3:21 pm

             you have all the cred of Clint Rickards …. The Al1en ….

             I think TRP may be “Faux” in his campaigns
             • James …

               14 April 2019 at 3:56 pm

               There is a lot of love in this thread.

               Thanks for the shout out.
               • The Al1en …

                 14 April 2019 at 4:04 pm

                 Thanks for the Scrumpy and cow sandwich. lol
               • reason …

                 14 April 2019 at 4:28 pm

                 Oh look james is eating his food in public toilets …../ all the uber drivers know the way …..

                 Meat him there The Al1en ……. he likes the smell of shit …. good musky hypocrites shit ….TRP

                 A sweet day for james ………… a sour shitty one ( again ) for TS

                 Perhaps he may send you a private email TRP …. and it will all work out in the end ….
                 • Psycho Milt …

                   14 April 2019 at 4:40 pm

                   Have you considered that one thing that might make for a shitty experience on this blog is people pursuing irrelevant and incomprehensible personal disputes with other commenters rather than commenting on the post? This isn’t the Open Mike thread.
                   • reason …

                     14 April 2019 at 5:10 pm

                     Have you considered slinging your fucking hooks …. psycho milt

                     You can fuck right off as I remember your Islamophobic ….’ they have a tendency to blow themselves up’ Wayne Mapp like crap in the past ….

                     Although I do give Psycho M credit for my accidental discovery of how well Libya was doing …… and how absolutely fucked it is now …..

                     But Psycho was claiming …… David Cameron like ….. that they are better off now ….

                     If we ignore the black slave markets and genocide of them ….. I suppose .

                     If we ignore a failed state ………

                     So yeah / nah …….fuck right of psycho

                     Tell me what does your Avatar most closely resemble …. out of the choices

                     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Waffen-SS_divisions
                   • joe90 …

                     14 April 2019 at 5:25 pm

                     It’s a band logo.
                   • Psycho Milt …

                     14 April 2019 at 5:49 pm

                     Joe 90 is correct. Here’s what Crass said about it:

                     The logo represented an amalgamation of several “icons of authority” including the Christian Cross, the swastika and the Union Flag combined with a two headed snake consuming itself (to symbolise the idea that power will eventually destroy itself).
                 • James …

                   14 April 2019 at 5:02 pm

                   You might consider some mental health time offline – you are going off the deep end here.

                   You are really bringing down the tone and making a fool of yourself.
                   • reason …

                     14 April 2019 at 5:26 pm

                     make up your mind james “There is a lot of love in this thread.

                     Thanks for the shout out.”

                     “You are really bringing down the tone and making a fool of yourself.”

                     james ….

                     ….Who used sleazy rape culture posts to diminish the woman involved in the waikato cheifs sexual assault controversy.

                     ….Who uses and advocates for the lawless rapey company ‘uber’.

                     ….who advocated for public toilet sex … he did this when defending some other over-sexed rugby player.

                     ….who thought it fair enough Oxfam should lose funding ……… for two sacked workers who allegedly used prostitutes

                     ….He who who called right wing Brazilian leader and rape celebrator Jair Bolsonaro “charismatic”

                     James ….Who ran around with glee …. trying to smear Labour as ‘rape apologists’ …. over a drunk committing assults at a Labour youth event …

                     And has run around the Assange thread.. trying to label everyone ‘rape apologists’…

                     James is concerned folks …. that he’s about to cum into his sandwhiches …. in his favorite public toilet

                     but he is concerned :0
                   • James []

                     14 April 2019 at 6:40 pm

                     You really are in a rant mode this evening aren’t you.

                     I’m thinking the rape apologist in you protest too much.
         • greywarshark 3.1.4.1.2

           14 April 2019 at 9:21 pm

           When someone is really hurting about something The Allen questioning them about it is rather like pulling the wings off butterflies. Why do it?
           A quiet ‘that sounds bad’ would be enough acknowledgment. You have managed to stir the whole thing up for no helpful purpose. Can you grow some empathy and let some things lie?
           • The Al1en 3.1.4.1.2.1

             14 April 2019 at 9:33 pm

             So you’ve read everything from 3.1.4 and you’ve come up with I’m stirring the whole thing up.

             Well, then, ‘that sounds bad’.
           • James 3.1.4.1.2.2

             14 April 2019 at 9:45 pm

             I wouldn’t have even commented on it – but since reason decided to bring me into it – I thought I’d join in.

             Reason really does does seem to have an unhealthy obsession with me.
       • francesca 3.1.4.2

         14 April 2019 at 4:24 pm

         Reason, that’s nasty stuff. I feel some people are drawn to sites like this for a spot of anonymous cowardly biffo
         I admire your resilience after your experience as a little one, and always appreciate your posts.
         I’ve been threatened with banning too. Some people relish the opportunity to swing their weight about.
         Keep strong…and keep posting
         • reason 3.1.4.2.1

           14 April 2019 at 4:50 pm

           Cheers francesca ……The Standards gone to the pack in many ways ….

           The Al1ens just one of them …..

           TRP and his “private emails” …. fuck him and his posse is all I can say…..

           Pack of abusers and hypocrites

           ************************************

           Put a link to the thread The Al1en …..

           fuck your dishonest writings The Al1en …. post a link to the thread ….. where TRP took ownership …. on one of the few times a I asked a Author if he was going to let what you wrote stand …..

           And here we are talking about it …. fucking up the latest part of TRPs anti assange installments

           The ones where ass clowns like yourself and James ….. pretend to give a fuck about rape victims .

           Its fuckin hillarios …. according to toilet sex champ james .

           Good job TRP

           Mole
           • The Al1en 3.1.4.2.1.1

             14 April 2019 at 5:02 pm

             Find your own thread. I did. Maybe you can too. But I can tell you for sure there’s no “I asked TRP if he was going to let that stand …… his reply ‘Yup … you were rude to me.” in there.

             And “private emails”. lol at the misdirection. I sent him one mail to apologise for my post going through.

             “And here we are talking about it …. fucking up the latest part of TRPs anti assange installments
             The ones where ass clowns like yourself and James ….. pretend to give a fuck about rape victims .”

             Behind the derailing tactics you’ve used here, which you started, that’s classic irony, right there, and nasty with it. Just like how you used the chch victims the other day in a series of attacks on fellow commentators here.
             You thought you had an angle, but it appears all you really have are long held grudges and no control over your temper.
             Against the topic, which I was on before you started, I have answered to your posts with fact for balance and fairness. You’ve been stuck on invective and smears for a long time.
         • francesca 3.1.4.2.2

           14 April 2019 at 4:54 pm

           Reason, the nasty stuff I referred to was Alien’s attack on you
           For some reason I press reply and end up way down the thread
           • The Al1en 3.1.4.2.2.1

             14 April 2019 at 5:04 pm

             The ‘attack’ on someone I thought was Phil Ure, back in 2018, which I apologised for back in 2018.
             The only attacks here today have been from reason – That and yours on the victim above.
             • WILD KATIPO …

               14 April 2019 at 5:51 pm

               The Al1en ?

               Isn’t that supposed to be Alien? .. is you’re ‘I’ key broken on you’re computer?

               You are about as nonsensical as this and your namesake , mate.

               Alf tries to eat the cat. – YouTube
               
               • The Al1en …

                 14 April 2019 at 6:06 pm

                 Nothing nonsensical about anything I do, or say, pointedly in following this thread and answering to reason’s diversion antics today.

                 The name has a story behind it, told here previously.
                 It was awesome. Shame you missed it.
                 • WILD KATIPO …

                   14 April 2019 at 6:32 pm

                   ‘ Nothing nonsensical about anything I do, or say ‘

                   ‘ Diversion? ‘

                   HAHAHAHA !,… you my friend, are known as whats called a ‘pile on’ troll. And every sites got them. Fanboy would be another one.
                   • The Al1en …

                     14 April 2019 at 6:35 pm

                     My conscience is clear :halo:
                   • WILD KATIPO …

                     14 April 2019 at 7:13 pm

                     But your mind certainly is not.
                   • The Al1en …

                     14 April 2019 at 7:17 pm

                     Don’t be dopey, dopey, it’s running fine.
                     No meltdowns or videothons her.
                   • WILD KATIPO …

                     14 April 2019 at 11:42 pm

                     Hardly mate ,- and the only one having a meltdown is yourself. And if it takes a video so ppl can watch and judge for themselves your fallacious arguments , so be it.

                     BTW , – provided a doozy right down at the end of the page just for people like you.

                     By the very same person Macro labeled John Pilger an ‘ old man ‘, – his ideas and thoughts are thoughts of the past.

                     LOL !!!!

                     He even has a go at Noam Chomsky and Robert Fisk !!!

                     Who the hell is Macro ???

                     Better than all those three put together?, – hardly.

                     His EXACT WORDS !!!

                     …’ Just because John Pilger or Noam Chomsky or Robert Fisk say something, doesn’t actually make it so. That is their opinion and they are entitled to hold that. However, they are old men, their ideas and thoughts are thoughts of the past’…

                     Enjoy.

                     PS : I also notice Macro wasn’t given a warning about AGEISM.

                     I wonder why.
             • reason …

               14 April 2019 at 6:17 pm

               You never apologized liar boy …..

               Not to me you fuckwit ,………

               nada apology from you …. scum dog
               • The Al1en …

                 14 April 2019 at 6:25 pm

                 I certainly did apologise for my post.
                 Ignoring that fact, you want an apology for me calling ure a liar with faux outrage?

                 How about you find the thread, post the link, then apologise for today’s diversion.
                 TRP should get one too for saying he posted something he never did.
           • reason 3.1.4.2.2.2

             14 April 2019 at 6:15 pm

             Cheers francesca ….. The Al1ens doubling down …. The sexual survivor / victim blamer ….. just enjoys it to much .

             and TRP is allowing him go on with his liar liar …

             They are both stinking hypocrites

             I’d like to reread my revelations and how I put them ….

             To draw out his response…““Fuck off lying and take you faux outrage with you Philip ure”

             The Al1en gave me it’s just the tiniest little kitten lick of the tongue of the experience ,,,,,, that someone like Louise Nicholls faced …. for years and years and years .

             And it was still a nasty to me ….

             Its a Shame James probably got to jerk off over it … but at least he was not abusing a woman if he was whackin off …
             • The Al1en …

               14 April 2019 at 6:27 pm

               “The Al1en gave me it’s just the tiniest little kitten lick of the tongue of the experience ,,,,,, that someone like Louise Nicholls faced …. for years and years and years .”

               Still using victims to blame other commentators here. 🙄

               We know what your game is, it’s just not working. Hasn’t all day.
             • James …

               14 April 2019 at 6:43 pm

               Hey what I masturbate to is my business.
             • gsays …

               16 April 2019 at 9:06 am

               Hi reason, what you disclosed up thread from your past takes courage.
               I trust you are able to access help to heal.

               Celia Lashlie’s writing has been a great help for me in understanding boys and men.
   • Andre 3.2

     14 April 2019 at 12:45 pm

     It was seriously arrogant of Assange to think he can dictate terms to a sovereign government about how they will conduct their legal affairs. Looks to me more like a variant of the Combover Con’s “gee, I’d love to release my taxes, but I’m under audit”.

     As it happens though, one reason Assange would be safer from extradition to the US after being extradited to Sweden is the doctrine of specialty protection. If the Swedes get custody of Assange via extradition from the UK, then the UK has to agree to everything else that any government wants to do (beyond following through on the exact charges the extradition was based on). Therefore, both Sweden and the UK would have to agree to extradition to the US, whereas right now it’s the UK’s sole decision.

     https://www.aklagare.se/en/nyheter–press/media/the-assange-matter/kan-assange-utlamnas-fran-sverige-till-usa/
     • Gabby 3.2.1

       15 April 2019 at 9:52 am

       Very arrogant. He’s no Zucky thass fissure.
   • Psycho Milt 3.3

     14 April 2019 at 1:09 pm

     Sweden has never given Assages lawyers any guarantees that Assange would not be extradited to the USA…

     A government in a democracy with rule of law can’t make such a guarantee. Any extradition request would have to be considered on its merits. Assange’s lawyers will be as aware of that as anybody.
4. Adrian Thornton 4

   14 April 2019 at 12:50 pm

   What is absolutely incredible is that any critical thinking person can really believe the the arrest of Assange has anything whatsoever to do with rape.

   This outrage is only about thing and one thing only, do not fuck with power..if you do you will be hounded to the gates of hell, Assange is being made a example of, that is just the fact of the matter…TRP’s obsession with the rape allegations is only playing into the smoke screen that has been laid down so dummies and the ill informed can’t see what is in plain sight for all to see…if you want to that is.

   Maybe Just stand back for a moment and see who you have aligned yourselves with…Trump..May..the CIA..Hillary Clinton etc etc, dosn’t that worry you?…well it should.

   Chomsky: Arrest of Assange Is “Scandalous” and Highlights Shocking Extraterritorial Reach of U.S.
   
   • mauī 4.1

     14 April 2019 at 1:12 pm

     “Maybe Just stand back for a moment and see who you have aligned yourselves with…”

     and don’t forget… the probably 70 fake Labour MP’s who want nothing more than to see him extradited asap and punished. If they were all about justice, why did it take 7 years for Assange to get interviewed in Britain, and why did he have to suffer human rights abuses along the way.
     • WILD KATIPO 4.1.1

       14 April 2019 at 5:10 pm

       Yep , and as I keep saying, this whole contrived thing is a way of entrapment designed to eventually ( after the Brits and Swedes finish with him ) get Assange back to the USA to rot in a jail-cell for the next 200 years.

       But of course, in LA LA land, people cant see that – or don’t want to.

       La La Land (All Star United) – Unofficial Video – YouTube
       
       • WILD KATIPO 4.1.1.1

         14 April 2019 at 5:17 pm

         And ‘ true believers’ come in all ideologies… and not just in ‘religious’ ones either, – political ones as well. Whether they are right or wrong is not about the cold hard facts, – but whether they ‘feel’ it is right.
   • Aaron 4.2

     14 April 2019 at 2:18 pm

     Thankyou Adrian – I keep being surprised at the anti-Assange articles on TS, it’s nice to see some of the readers here can see the big picture
5. A 5

   14 April 2019 at 12:53 pm

   At this point it is guaranteed that Assange won’t be getting a fair, or even partially fair trial. That being the case ALL charges should be dropped on the grounds that the prejudice is now too great to proceed regardless of country he is tried in.

   Yes, he should have been held to account but at the end of the day the bias is so extreme surely it cannot be ignored. What do I mean? Look at what happened as soon as he left the embassy and ended up before a court. The bias of the judge was immediate and predictable.

   William Blackstone is turning in his grave.
   • The Al1en 5.1

     14 April 2019 at 12:59 pm

     With Sweden being recognised in the top three of world free judiciaries, at this point, not getting a free and fair trial is guaranteed to be the tenuous last hope for arguing Assange shouldn’t face a trial to clear his name.

     https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/datablog/2015/jun/02/global-ranking-corruption-world-justice-project-aims-promote-good-governance
     • francesca 5.1.1

       14 April 2019 at 4:29 pm

       Ya think?

       https://www.hrw.org/news/2006/11/09/sweden-violated-torture-ban-cia-rendition
       • The Al1en 5.1.1.1

         14 April 2019 at 4:34 pm

         A case back in 2006 doesn’t challenge the ranking as linked to.

         Though if the number three justice system isn’t trustworthy, then I guess for you, no judiciary can ever be trusted as fair as far as Assange is concerned.
         That’s a relief for him.

         How about my question above to you attacking the victim?
         • McFlock 5.1.1.1.1

           14 April 2019 at 8:25 pm

           And the UK fucking had people in the room when its citizens were being tortured.

           While the hell would anyone flee US persecution by running to the UK?
6. Andre 6

   14 April 2019 at 1:11 pm

   More on the possibility of Assange getting extradited to the US after getting extradited to Sweden from the UK:

   http://klamberg.blogspot.com/2012/08/extradition-of-assange-to-us-via-sweden.html

   Whatever happened to Assange’s promise to give himself up if Manning was freed?

   https://www.theverge.com/2017/1/19/14328398/julian-assange-chelsea-manning-extradition-promise-requirements
   • francesca 6.1

     14 April 2019 at 1:19 pm

     Manning is free?
     • Andre 6.1.1

       14 April 2019 at 1:32 pm

       The promise Assange would give himself up if Manning was released was made September 16, 2016.

       https://www.theverge.com/2016/9/16/12939232/julian-assange-wikileaks-chelsea-manning-obama

       Obama commuted Manning’s sentence on Jan 17, 2017. Manning was freed from Leavenworth May 17, 2017. She went back in to the slammer March 8, 2019. Assange had nearly two years to make good on his promise and didn’t.

       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning#Release
       • WILD KATIPO 6.1.1.1

         14 April 2019 at 1:41 pm

         Yeah so the deep state in America lied and went back on their [Racist term deleted. TRP] promises… why would Assange have any reason to trust them after that?
         • Andre 6.1.1.1.1

           14 April 2019 at 1:52 pm

           You do understand that Manning was free for almost two years, and that the nearly two years of freedom happened after the promise for Assange to give himself up if Manning was granted clemency?

           Or does time not work that way in whatever unreality it is you inhabit?
           • WILD KATIPO 6.1.1.1.1.1

             14 April 2019 at 1:58 pm

             ..’Or does time not work that way in whatever unreality it is you inhabit?’…

             And so now they have got both Manning and Assange right where they want them.

             I don’t know about you , but if your reality includes believing that Assange will be either safe from extradition to the USA after spending 6 months in a British prison for bail skipping and then another term in Sweden , – all I can say is you’re mighty trusting of authority’s.

             Too trusting in fact.

             In your’e world , – govt subterfuge doesn’t seem to exist.
             • Andre …

               14 April 2019 at 2:18 pm

               This is about whether Assange’s words have any value or meaning.

               Assange promised he would do A if condition B was met. Four months after Assange made that promise, condition B was in fact met. Condition B continued to be true for nearly two years thereafter. Yet Assange never did A. Conclusion: Assange’s words have no value or meaning.

               Whether governments can be trusted is a different topic.
         • Andre 6.1.1.1.2

           14 April 2019 at 2:38 pm

           @TRP Oddly enough I wasn’t aware of “[Racist term deleted. TRP] promises” having any particular derogatory meaning. Indeed the only references I found of “[Racist term deleted. TRP] promises” in relation to actual promises indicated they were in fact generally very reliable.
           • WILD KATIPO 6.1.1.1.2.1

             14 April 2019 at 5:21 pm

             Yes , I would like to know more about that , – so far I’ve been accused as a ‘ rape apologist ‘ and now a ‘ racist’.

             I’m sure if the author cared to go back over the years on this site he’d soon learn I am neither.
             • Andre …

               14 April 2019 at 5:40 pm

               Well, in context your comment was seriously derogatory towards the ethnic group in question – by implying their promises are as worthless as a government’s promises.
               • WILD KATIPO …

                 14 April 2019 at 6:00 pm

                 Soooo… we have ‘inside ‘ knowledge the rest of us don’t have , do we?

                 Well , .. that’s a very heavy accusation to make if you don’t know… ‘the plot thickens ‘, …Andre… care to inform us all of just what was said?

                 Or was it more a phrase or word taken completely out of context from the Dictionary of Politically Correct speech for the permanently outraged and nitpicking fraternity ?

                 Nice to be labeled a ‘ racist’ and a ‘rape apologist’ all in the same article.

                 Lovely .

                 Real lovely.

                 Nice way to smear and discredit and close someone down.

                 политкорректно.
                 • Macro …

                   14 April 2019 at 6:45 pm

                   If the shoe fits.. Wear it!
                   • WILD KATIPO …

                     14 April 2019 at 7:21 pm

                     Thank you , you have just exemplified exactly what I said in reply to your condescending and selective denying rant about fanboys and how they get offended and respond 11 comments down from this one.

                     A most perfect and shining example.
7. Tiger Mountain 7

   14 April 2019 at 1:14 pm

   A most vile header indeed has now been published on The Standard. No one deserves to be handed over to US Imperialism, ever. Particularly people who have attempted at great risk, like Edward Snowden and others, to expose the inner workings of the US State and Military. Who is the main enemy of the world’s people in this?

   Wikileaks may have degenerated from its early days, and Mr Assange may be a degenerate, and he should not be personally unaccountable, but in no way does that justify torture and possible execution that will be a highly likely outcome once he is in US custody.

   The impressive NZ TPPA opposition was down significantly to Wikileaks documents that allowed ordinary people to blow holes in the Tim Groser narrative. The NZ Govt. was lying to the people as the leaked TPPA text showed.
   • te reo putake 7.1

     14 April 2019 at 1:38 pm

     You might want to go past the admittedly click baity title and read the post, TM 😉
     • KJT 7.1.1

       14 April 2019 at 2:20 pm

       Your post just confirms the glee, in the title.

       Do you have to keep digging your hole?
     • Brigid 7.1.2

       14 April 2019 at 2:23 pm

       What was your intention by using such a ‘click baity’ title?
       Attempting to steal custom from whale oil is it?
       • te reo putake 7.1.2.1

         14 April 2019 at 2:32 pm

         To get people to read the post, Brigid. Obviously, some of my fans here love being outraged, so it was a good way to get their blood pressure up, while the post itself makes what I’m sure you’ll agree is a perfectly reasonable argument for why it is in Assange’s self interest to now agree to a Swedish trial.

         Churnalism at its finest 😉
         • KJT 7.1.2.1.1

           14 April 2019 at 2:42 pm

           I prefer to address the argument myself.

           But. When someone is actually being a self righteous wanker.
         • Brigid 7.1.2.1.2

           14 April 2019 at 4:55 pm

           Damn.
           My mistake.
           The Standard is now the new improved digital version of the Womans Weekly.
           • David Mac 7.1.2.1.2.1

             14 April 2019 at 5:39 pm

             Those outfits run clickbait headlines to make money. TRP does it to stimulate debate. Seems to be working.

             Thrashing points of view about whilst retaining degrees of empathy is the best way for us to move forward.

             TRP turbocharges his conversation starters. I don’t think for a moment it’s hand on heart TRP testament.

             So much time wasted whipping message bearers, it’s tiresome. Play the ball.
             • WILD KATIPO …

               14 April 2019 at 6:39 pm

               In other words writes in a manner to incite anger , – then stands ready to wave the big stick in one hand then slam the hammer down on a poster with the other.

               I don’t consider he presented ANY message , just his OWN subjective opinion. And even in that he fails , – because he knows damn well that a prison term in either England or Sweden wont stop there , – the next port of call WILL be extradition to the USA and he damn well knows it.

               He really calls people to believe the incredulous. And I think John Pilger knows FAR , FAR MORE about the situation than he ever did.

               And that’s my opinion.
               • Macro …

                 14 April 2019 at 6:49 pm

                 In other words writes in a manner to incite anger

                 You really need to look in the mirror.
                 Perhaps the most angriest person commenting here is yourself – by a long mile.
                 If you think your comments on here do not incite anger in others – you are very much mistaken.
                 • WILD KATIPO …

                   14 April 2019 at 7:07 pm

                   I would think many here should be looking in the mirror- perhaps even yourself.

                   Have you even bothered to read the articles I provided from John Pilger ? , – you know- the OTHER SIDE to the story that the authors article is all about?

                   Or does does Pilger just speak through a hole in his arse because hes a far right fascist supporter ???

                   And perhaps if there were not so many mindless fanboys on the site who’s only answer is a puerile put down as a parting shot – and demonstrated some of that so called ‘caring , sharing’ thing they like to cast themselves as, – perhaps then their wouldn’t need to be any returns given.

                   What ? – are people who disagree or even strongly disagree to be labeled as racists, bigots , misogynists, rape apologists , nut cases et all?

                   I see it happening all the time on this site.

                   Scroll through- see all the snide derogatory put downs from the supposed ‘Left’.

                   Not to mention the constant threat of unwarranted subjective censorship, – is this how open debate is supposed to run?

                   You think that isn’t bloody offensive as well???

                   Its appalling.

                   If authors want to deliberately kick of inflammatory articles to stimulate debate then they should at least be prepared for all manner of evidences and act in fairness.
                   • Macro …

                     14 April 2019 at 7:31 pm

                     Arguing ex cathedra is hardly a valid form of argument – just because the pope says something doesn’t make it so.
                     Just because John Pilger or Noam Chomsky or Robert Fisk say something, doesn’t actually make it so. That is their opinion and they are entitled to hold that. However, they are old men, their ideas and thoughts are thoughts of the past. They are no more gods than the pope. All are fallible – that is the human condition.
                     You need to take some time out. Your posting is verging on the hysterical.
                   • WILD KATIPO …

                     14 April 2019 at 8:04 pm

                     …’ However, they are old men, their ideas and thoughts are thoughts of the past ‘…

                     How VERY , VERY AGEIST of you.

                     But of course, that doesn’t get a warning here does it.

                     So were / was Winston Churchill and Winston Peters as examples , – yet they were and are sharper than most knives in the drawer…. yet according to you and your ilk when it suits , -make way for the smart, sharp and up to date 30 and 40 somethings who took over our parliament in 1984.

                     We are still suffering and paying the price for Roger Douglas. How old was he at the time?

                     ‘Hysterical ‘.

                     You’ve again proven the point of the snide little snarky comments from the so- called ‘caring sharing’ fanboy crowd.

                     WOW,… you really need a mirror, mate

                     You can pick em up cheap in about any rural hardware store, BTW.

                     Just a tip.
             • te reo putake …

               14 April 2019 at 7:21 pm

               >Thanks, David, pretty much on the money and much appreciated.

               I’m always happy to break the fourth wall, but I guess it’s unsettling for some.

               Here’s how it works, pop kids; think of something to say, write it down, come up with an apt title (doesn’t have to be a zinger, but it helps), find a photo or two for illustration, write a brief blurb, then hit submit.

               Congratulations, you’re on the roster.

               Honestly, anyone can do this stuff. So why arncha, people?
             • Adrian Thornton …

               14 April 2019 at 7:55 pm

               Not quite right there David, if you don’t agree with TRP, you will quickly be labeled a supporter of rape apologists…

               The Standard – Assange Arrested
               April 11th, 2019

               TRP
               47.1.2.2.1
               “Yeah and rape apologists are cool in your world, huh?”

               Although it seems it is quite OK to make sick rape jokes about Assange…

               TRP
               47.1.2
               “I think it’s kinda ironic that Assange was rudely awakened yesterday to find he was fucked without protection.”

               So it is little wonder some people would take the title od TRP’s piece at face value given the vitriol that has blighted The Standard over the past couple of days from that person.. hardly whipping the message bearer.
               • WILD KATIPO …

                 14 April 2019 at 8:10 pm

                 BINGO.
     • Tiger Mountain 7.1.3

       15 April 2019 at 10:37 am

       I re-read your masterpiece in fact, and it does not improve much beyond the title to be fair, which reminded of 90s Trotskyist style contrarianism.

       Wikileaks did valuable service for a good while to the worlds people on issues from Guantanamo to Afghanistan and Mid East. You are on the wrong end of this one TRP from a class perspective. Investigative Journalism will be the loser here.
8. WILD KATIPO 8

   14 April 2019 at 1:30 pm

   Yes, it seems the same old selectivity as we saw the other day with the author of this article and those who agree with that selectivity is afoot again for another shot at the dart board. I think Adrian Thornton ( comment 3 and 4 ) and the VERY peculiar circumstance’s surrounding this ‘rape’ allegation suggested by francesca ( comment 3.4) – suggest a very cozy and working relationship with the crowd at West Virginia compete with a nice payroll and a few tips for entrapment by everybody’s favorite darlings, the CIA.

   NOT ONE of these people who are going into bat about high standards and taking the moral high-ground can prove that these women were NOT acting on behalf of some very powerful global interests ( particularly American ones ), – that the honey pot technique was not used, – because NONE OF THEM know these women, NONE OF THEM were in that bedroom and all they are doing is accepting things at face value and hearsay. You wouldn’t know these women from a bar of soap. The fact they were just ‘ volunteers’ and not long term contributors to Wikileaks should start to ring a few alarm bells.

   Anyone looking at this and using OCCAM’S RAZOR should at least consider that very real possibility.

   I think its more because in their manic obsessive hatred of Trump they are willing to see a person sentenced for 200 years in an American dungeon, – and NOTHING to do with liberty and freedom of information, – all of which these same people profess to value.

   And that tells me these people care less about the above than their own ideologies and their hatred of Trump , – who, by the way, – has been vindicated by a chap called Mueller. The question is , – if Assange had managed to vindicate and speak well of Clinton and she won the election, – would these same individuals now be lauding Assange and Wikileaks and defending both vociferously ?

   I think so.

   Just look at the trumped up charges and the ILLEGAL ARREST and RAID on KimDotcom and the way he was treated on the behest of the American FBI under the auspices of the Hollywood Film Industry and John Keys pandering to Warner Bro’s , – even to the fact of rapidly changing Trade Union laws to detooth the Actors Union in this country. All of this just to extradite a man ( several of them in fact ) on supposed ‘Copyright charges’ that have no such precedent in this country. THAT’S how far govts will go to buddy up and screw Human Rights and freedom of information and disclosure.. along with the MSM and their toxic narratives.

   And that starts to change the whole ball game.

   GUEST BLOG: Gerard Otto – 800,000 documents about Russia « The …
   https://thedailyblog.co.nz/…/guest-blog-gerard-otto-800000-documents-about-russia/
   • Infused 8.1

     14 April 2019 at 1:36 pm

     God your a nut job. There are very detailed accounts of these allegations
     • WILD KATIPO 8.1.1

       14 April 2019 at 1:43 pm

       Lets see them.

       And don’t call people nutjob’s until you can back up your claims. Lest you too, appear to be one.

       Were you there?

       Do you know these women personally ? – one of them we don’t even get to know their true identity.

       [Identities are routinely withheld here in NZ in these cases. Any more rape apology memes from you and you’ll be bounced. Understood? Same goes for anyone else considering laying into the alleged victims. TRP]
     • Formerly Ross 8.1.2

       14 April 2019 at 2:01 pm

       There are very detailed accounts of these allegations

       Except no charges have ever been laid. Funny that. Possibly because there’s been detailed refutations of the allegations.

       As the case dragged on, the Swedish director of public prosecutions, Marianne Ny, wrote to the CPS on 18 October 2013 explaining that she had few options left. “There is a demand in Swedish law for coercive measures to be proportionate,” she informed London.

       “The time passing, the costs and how severe the crime is to be taken into account together with the intrusion or detriment to the suspect. Against this background, we have found us to be obliged to lift the detention order … and to withdraw the European arrest warrant. If so this should be done in a couple of weeks. This would affect not only us but you too in a significant way.”

       The fact that Swedish authorities were looking to drop the case in 2013 – and hinted the nature of the alleged crime wasn’t serious – is telling.

       https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/feb/11/sweden-tried-to-drop-assange-extradition-in-2013-cps-emails-show
       • WILD KATIPO 8.1.2.1

         14 April 2019 at 4:24 pm

         Yes, and here’s a little something ELSE THAT’S INTERESTING…

         https://news.slashdot.org/story/19/04/11/0944218/wikileaks-co-founder-julian-assange-arrested-in-london

         AND THIS :

         the assange arrest is a warning from history – John Pilger
         johnpilger.com/articles/the-assange-arrest-is-a-warning-from-history

         https://consortiumnews.com/2019/04/12/assange-arrest-a-warning-from-history/
         • WILD KATIPO 8.1.2.1.1

           14 April 2019 at 4:51 pm

           ….’ At the time, Assange claimed that if he was extradited to Sweden he might be arrested by the US and face charges relating to WikiLeaks’s publication of hundreds of thousands of US diplomatic cables’…

           … ‘ US authorities have never officially confirmed that they have charged Assange, but in November 2018 a mistake in a document filed in an unrelated case hinted that criminal charges might have been prepared in secret ‘…

           How interesting …

           More… from John Pilger.

           ————————————————–

           If Assange is extradited to America for publishing what The Guardian calls truthful “things,” what is to stop the current editor, Katherine Viner, following him, or the previous editor, Alan Rusbridger, or the prolific propagandist Luke Harding?

           Even the propagandist Harding could be at risk.

           What is to stop the editors of The New York Times and The Washington Post, who also published morsels of the truth that originated with WikiLeaks, and the editor of El Pais in Spain, and Der Spiegel in Germany and The Sydney Morning Herald in Australia. The list is long.

           David McCraw, lead lawyer of The New York Times, wrote: “I think the prosecution [of Assange] would be a very, very bad precedent for publishers … from everything I know, he’s sort of in a classic publisher’s position and the law would have a very hard time distinguishing between The New York Times and WikiLeaks.”

           Even if journalists who published WikiLeaks’ leaks are not summoned by an American grand jury, the intimidation of Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning will be enough. Real journalism is being criminalized by thugs in plain sight. Dissent has become an indulgence.

           ——————————————————

           In the 1970s, I met Leni Reifenstahl, close friend of Adolf Hitler, whose films helped cast the Nazi spell over Germany.

           She told me that the message in her films, the propaganda, was dependent not on “orders from above” but on what she called the “submissive void” of the public.

           “Did this submissive void include the liberal, educated bourgeoisie?” I asked her.

           “Of course,” she said, “especially the intelligentsia …. When people no longer ask serious questions, they are submissive and malleable. Anything can happen.”

           And did. The rest, she might have added, is history
           • CHCoff 8.1.2.1.1.1

             14 April 2019 at 5:28 pm

             “And did. The rest, she might have added, is history”

             Yes, history has a long story that British exceptionalism is not the only garden variety in European geography, or more to the point, of unaccountable elite conclaves.

             Despite the difference of Britain’s relatively undisturbed state of social structure and strata post WW2, it is unthinking to believe that they will have gone away elsewhere also.

             At least with the League of Nations, which the EU is a far improved & ongoing work in progress of, the British were not in the position of being the catalyst for it’s unravelling.
             • WILD KATIPO …

               14 April 2019 at 6:25 pm

               England, Australia, Canada, America and New Zealand.

               All 5 eye spy partners.

               What does this all have in common?

               And Sweden ,… is that more aligned to the West or the East? Well , to the West obviously. I’m sure they wouldn’t mind lending a helping hand to Old Uncle Sam, – especially as embattled Uncle Sam cannot afford to have a Wikileaks existing in the same Universe.

               Ask your selves, … ask yourselves.

               I wonder how Edward Snowden’s getting on ,.. do we think hes in a great headlong rush to return to the USA in a hurry ?

               Maybe he might have Agoraphobia and would just love spending the next 200 years inside an American jail cell in solitary with no windows?

               Or maybe hes not that stupid.
       • SPC 8.1.2.2

         14 April 2019 at 5:39 pm

         Sweden has quite a range to its rape laws, from more to less serious forms.
9. Infused 9

   14 April 2019 at 1:34 pm

   I guess apply the law as it suits yeah.
10. Formerly Ross 10

    14 April 2019 at 1:45 pm

    Oh dear, TRP looking for more thread bait. 🙂

    “There is a long tradition of the use of rape and sexual assault for political agendas that have nothing to do with women’s safety. In the south of the US, the lynching of black men was often justified on grounds that they had raped or even looked at a white woman. Women don’t take kindly to our demand for safety being misused, while rape continues to be neglected at best or protected at worst.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/08/wikileaks-rape-allegations-freedom-of-speech

    “…men are pretty much never treated the way Assange is being treated in the face of sex crime charges…Never in twenty-three years of reporting on and supporting victims of sexual assault around the world have I ever heard of a case of a man sought by two nations, and held in solitary confinement without bail in advance of being questioned — for any alleged rape, even the most brutal or easily proven”.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jaccuse-sweden-britain-an_b_795899

    Women Against Rape and Naomi Wolf are not known as cheerleaders for rapists, so there might be more going on here than meets the eye. And when you take into account the fact that for a long time Swedish authorities said Assange had to return to Sweden to be interviewed, that he couldn’t be questioned in the UK – which proved to be a lie – you do wonder what’s going on.

    The Swedish prosecution authority says that the investigation could be reopened as the statute of limitations for the suspected crime of rape is 10 years and the offence was allegedly committed in mid-August 2010.

    I doubt it. It took the Swedish authorities several years to question Assange when he was available to be interviewed from day 1. Even when he was holed up in the Ecuadorian Embassy, he could have been questioned. But, no, the Swedish authorities clearly had more important things to do. Like pursue old ladies for hate speech. It’s a funny old world.

    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/12078/sweden-free-speech
11. Aaron 11

    14 April 2019 at 2:46 pm

    Continually astonished at the approach to this issue from TS and I have a question: Has anything from Wikileaks ever been published on this blog? Because if it is then the ‘editor’ of the blog could also be extradited to the US in the way that it looks like Assange will be.

    Think this is hyperbole? – the New York Times own lawyer has said that if Assange can be prosecuted for publishing this info then so too can the editor’s of the papers who carried their work.

    John Pilger calls it an assault on journalism, Chomsky says it is outrageous than someone who has been granted the rights of political asylum can just be taken from an embassy by a foreign security force. The UK has thumbed it’s nose at at the rule of law to do this.

    I would encourage everyone here to think seriously about what all this means for this blog. Assange may or may not be a rapist – given the context I would assume he’s not – but the big issue here is the serious chilling effect on journalism that will be felt if the US can extradite a non-US citizen for something that isn’t a real crime and which was done in a country that is also not the US.

    Please don’t forget, Wikileaks has published cast iron proof of the atrocities and murders of thousands of people by the US. Assange has honored the memory of those victims by telling their story. I hope we don’t forget those people in the swirl of propaganda around this issue.
    • KJT 11.1

      14 April 2019 at 2:51 pm

      It’s just one writer conducting the witch hunt, Aaron.
      Not the site.

      Personally I think that Sweden should have taken the rape allegations to court. Though there is some doubt there was even a case. From the women’s own words.
      Before a fair trial became impossible. What happened was unfair to both the women concerned and Assuange.

      There is no way, however, we should allow States to silence journalists that expose their war crimes. Whatever else they may or may not have done.
    • Psycho Milt 11.2

      14 April 2019 at 4:36 pm

      Think this is hyperbole? – the New York Times own lawyer has said that if Assange can be prosecuted for publishing this info then so too can the editor’s of the papers who carried their work.

      Not so much “hyperbole” as entirely speculative. The US has requested extradition only on a charge of computer hacking, and if they did want to also charge him with being a journalist the US government doesn’t like, they’d have to do that before extradition (or go through a whole new request process if they did it after extradition). Given the nationalist authoritarian regime currently in place in the US, you couldn’t rule out them requesting extradition on the hacking charge then adding charges once they’ve got him and telling the UK government to go fuck itself – but against that’s entirely speculative. Best save your outrage for things that have actually happened.
12. joe90 12

    14 April 2019 at 2:59 pm

    On the Assange indictment.

    On April 11, British police arrested WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange at the Ecuadorian embassy in London, in part because of an extradition request by the United States. Following the arrest, the Justice Department released a previously sealed indictment charging Assange with one count of conspiracy to violate the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, a 1984 law meant to criminalize hacking.

    It’s a spare indictment, and other charges could be brought. But in terms of how this specific development could impact press freedom, as with all things, the devil is in the fine details.

    The discussion below explains the allegation, as we understand it, and why it makes this particular indictment a hard model for future prosecutions targeting the press. The latter two sections lay out how a case with different facts but a similar “look” could directly violate the First Amendment

    https://www.rcfp.org/reporters-committee-analysis-of-u-s-government-indictment-of-julian-assange/
13. SPC 13

    14 April 2019 at 5:12 pm

    You do have to admit Assange betrayed the two women (and it was their mutuality of their experience which led them to the police afterwards, for them it was the pattern of his behaviour that was the issue) and those who put up the bail money, and then did not keep his word to hand himself in once Manning was released (and if he had, Manning would not now be back in jail for refusing to answer questions about wikileaks).

    There was after all no certainty that Obama would have sought extradition for the media release via wikileaks (his admin made no effort to seek his extradition) – and now he has the Trump administration (the one whose investigtion of wikileaks – of a design to put Manning back in jail while going after Assange) to deal with.

    All in all, Assange has made a lot of wrong calls in management of these issues.

    Then again there is Clinton, and her emails error of judgement and its consequences for her and her current bitterness over wikileaks exposing Democratic Party cronyism in her favour. Which it and the rest of the party should be grateful for.

    As for extradition to the USA on the hacking charge – one easy to dismiss on the grounds of lack of sufficient evidence that those who who publish are culpable for those who leak. And if either the UK or Sweden extradite the world should condemn them. Exposing abuse of power is the reason why the ICC was established and why democracy is connected to the continuance of a free media.
    • WILD KATIPO 13.1

      14 April 2019 at 5:26 pm

      Comments 8.1.2.1 , and 8.1.2.1.1 might be helpful here.

      I’d suggest you read both articles by John Pilger perhaps. I would say he is more informed on the subject than anyone here .
    • SPC 13.2

      14 April 2019 at 5:36 pm

      Just had a look at joe 90’s very useful link, it seems they have tried to connect Assange to the computer hacking through “password” assistance to Manning who had access to the DOD network. The question is whether password complicity with someone who had work access to the network is complicity in “hacking”. Is what Manning did as an employee with work access to a computer on the network hacking? Was Manning charged with hacking and if not how can Assange be?
      • WILD KATIPO 13.2.1

        14 April 2019 at 6:09 pm

        Yes , well we had our own little kerfuffle with someone calling themselves RAWSHARK not so long ago as well… not to the same extent but certainly it DID lead to Nicky Hager and Martyn Bradbury’s banking accounts details being illegally handed over, – and the search of Hagers house while he was not there and confiscation of Hagers computer …

        Lets see how things pan out for Martyn Bradbury , then shall we?

        I do find it interesting that RAWSHARK released data during the height of John Keys corrupt govt practice … now the question would be… WOULD RAWSHARK be arrested now if he disclosed who he was and where he is?

        Has anything changed?

        It was still hacking and releasing govt data , – possibly not DOD , – but govt data nonetheless. Should govt’s be able to hide corruption behind a plausible deniability such as ‘ national security ‘ ?

        Are we the plebs with no right to know what our own elected officials do?

        Is it their job to maintain secrets detrimental to their govt’s possible corrupt practices?

        Should journalists who receive that information have their right to confidentiality revoked ?

        Is this fascism or just a peaceful Nanny State?
      • francesca 13.2.2

        14 April 2019 at 8:40 pm

        I find Greenwald quite useful on this

        https://theintercept.com/2019/04/11/the-u-s-governments-indictment-of-julian-assange-poses-grave-threats-to-press-freedoms/
14. Macro 14

    14 April 2019 at 7:18 pm

    There are a number of commentators above who are claiming that the current detention of Assange is solely about his extradition to the US. This is patently and legally false. His current detention was brought about by his failure to observe his conditions of bail on his return to England from Sweden, (courts do not like people snubbing their noses at them!), and the then request by Sweden for his extradition. Had the US wanted to extradite Assange to the US over his involvement with the release of the Manning documents, they were fully entitled to do so at the time. But they did not. It did not depend on Assange to be returned to Sweden for him to be extradited to the US. The US have an agreement with the UK (The Extradition Act of 2003.) which allows the US to extradite UK citizens and others for offences committed against US law, even though the alleged offence may have been committed in the UK by a person living and working in the UK. The request for his extradition to the US was subsequent to the Swedish request.
    Charges could well have been laid by the US before the events in Sweden, and Assange’s extradition sort. The US did not have to rely on an indictment of Assange by Sweden. To confuse the two matters is obfuscation of the worst kind.
    • WILD KATIPO 14.1

      14 April 2019 at 7:48 pm

      … ‘His current detention was brought about by his failure to observe his conditions of bail on his return to England ‘…

      Yes ! Because once in that system , it would have been far easier for the USA to start extradition proceedings . England and the USA are the two most powerful in the five nation 5 eyes agreement with their (The Extradition Act of 2003.) . You seriously trying to tell us that this isn’t so? Anyhow- you’ve been disproven as the article by John Pilger clearly states that ;

      ——————————————-

      ….’ At the time, Assange claimed that if he was extradited to Sweden he might be arrested by the US and face charges relating to WikiLeaks’s publication of hundreds of thousands of US diplomatic cables’…

      … ‘ ‘ US authorities have never officially confirmed that they have charged Assange, but in November 2018 a mistake in a document filed in an unrelated case hinted that criminal charges might have been prepared in secret ‘…

      ——————————————-

      And no one is saying that Assanges current detention is all about ‘ extradition to the USA’ , – people are saying that this has a very high likelihood that it will occur. A VERY high likelihood .

      If we are to take what John Pilger says over what you are trying to say , -then there are indeed plans afoot to eventually bring him to the USA, – we have already seen Manning receive something similar – despite 2 years freedom. Do you really think anyone , – let alone Assange trusts the American deep state to keep its word ???

      What you are saying is a red herring and a diversion to what will almost certainly happen in time, – do you really truly honestly believe that the USA deep state will tolerate a thriving Wikileaks with a free Julian Assange ?

      https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/nov/16/julian-assange-charged-in-secret-mistake-on-us-court-filing-suggests

      https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/nov/16/julian-assange-wikileaks-have-criminal-charges-been-prepared-us
      • WILD KATIPO 14.1.1

        14 April 2019 at 7:58 pm

        The ONLY reason Assange WASN’T extradited was because he was holed up in an Ecuadorian Embassy.

        Its THAT simple.
15. te reo putake 15

    14 April 2019 at 7:55 pm

    I’ve been out for the arvo, so missed the various blurts from reason. Thank you to those who put him right and apologies to the rest of you for having to put up with it. As I have said in a reply up thread, anyone can express an opinion here, either as an author or commenter. However, there are rules around debate here and there are obvious limits.

    Reason, you have google at your disposal, use it educate yourself on the racist term you used. I’d also like to see that link to the words you claim I said.

    Your next comment should address both matters, preferably by way of an apology.

    Oh, and anyone is free to contact me: tereoputake@gmail.com or twitter.com/tereoputake
    • reason 15.1

      16 April 2019 at 8:26 pm

      The Al1en and James never put me straight TRP

      And in the thousands of words they and you have written in the dishonest abuse directed at me ………… NONE of you would put in the link I was referring too ….. In your / TRP s anti Assange installments.

      Here’s the link …. and the post ( which was called a rant by TRP ),

      and I got banned for it ….

      *********************************************************

      link to the thread being misrepresented against me by the Al1en https://thestandard.org.nz/julian-assange-journeys-end/#comment-1505841

      scroll up to the main points of my post which was hard to write then … which is why I’m glad to find it as it was quite draining and emotional to write … so glad I can copy it …..without attemptpting to rewrite

      Quoting myself ….

      ” In the 1970s there was a commune called center point where mass child abuse / rape was taking place …. a compromised two man inquiery of this produced no charges at the time ( one of the cops was a pedophile )

      IN the 1980s in Rotorua we had pack rapist police men

      2005 / 2006 in the Wairarapa Area we had the police not investigating hundreds of child abuse cases …. with police telling lies and covering up.

      Amid all this very real abuse and rape throughout the decades in New Zealand there was a newly seperated ‘solo mum’ ,,,,, mine.

      Not wanting to go on a benefit ( if it existed then ) she took in a border … for extra money… and to babysit her children as she had taken on a second part time job in addition to her main full time one.

      The Border

      He was released from prison … and I presume he lied to her and said he had done time for some socially acceptable crime in the 1970’s era .. like drink driving or something … she got duped … and I can accept that.

      What I find hard to understand is how his probation officer let a child sex offender pedophile move into a solo mums …. to child mind.

      This particular man ended up hanging himself while on remand in jail for the attempted sodomy of a infant child in another family a few years later.

      I am more than fully fucken entitled to speak about sex abuse / rape …… and I feel like your a right fucking arsehole for forcing me to disclose what I did … te reo putake

      I alos feel like your an arsehole for ignoring the two female rape victims I’ve spoken too …. and their take on the assange allegations …. They’ve been raped but do not feel Assange is a rapist.”

      I think the best way forward should be to have a restorative type hearing …. and see if these women want Julian punished more,… or what else they want to happen …… Its all based on them ….. So what are their feelings?.

      Having them involved in the conclusion or ending of this long long saga would dispel the impression of them being sidelined and used.

      I still think your a arsehole te reo putake ….. you should think about what you post to people ………. I wont tell the two women victims I know of about your rude aggressive dismissive post. ….

      judging by how you made me feel …it would upset them ”

      To which The Al1en posted

      “The Al1en …
      23 July 2018 at 11:20 am

      “Fuck off lying and take you faux outrage with you Philip ure”

      reason …
      23 July 2018 at 1:29 pm

      Is al1ens above comment to me allowed to stand in this thread te reo putake?

      “Fuck off lying and take you faux outrage with you Philip ure”

      perhaps you have missed it ?

      https://thestandard.org.nz/julian-assange-journeys-end/#comment-1505841

      [Given that you’d normally be banned for calling an author an arsehole, I think you should take the same charitable approach to al1en’s reply. Just ignore it. The reference to the esteemed Mr Ure was … presumably … because … you both … like using lots of dots in your comments. TRP]

      *************************************

      That was not an apology from The Al1en …. and its a piss poor excuse … an excuse from TRP to let that garbage stand ..

      and what possible relevance is it … if I was Phil friggin Ure …. does TRP know what happened in his childhood ??

      Is any sexual abuse Phil ure may have suffered …. automatically a lie ??

      Piss poor excuses …..

      However I also note TRP did say I post some good points….

      And I concede now to TRP ,,,, my initial choice of language was lazy to the point of being incorrect …. and my knowledge of what happened is not 100%

      I should have said something like … on a scale of sexual offending …. with Assange being presumably being below 5 on a scale out of 10

      1 being fondling a childs pony tail … with a dreamy look in your face.

      7 – 8 being Isis or Al Nusra sex slavesin Syria or Iraq … or trafficked black woman in Libya ….. Wikileaks has exposed the dishonesty and warmongering by Clinton etc …. that created the condition for such mass death suffering and raping.

      9 – 10 The very worst … like the two Gadaffi female body guards raped to death …. thanks to Hillary / Cameron / NATO etc …

      And as exposed by Wikileaks …. the warmongering that is

      Anyway a informative link to finish with … from a journalist who has more integrity and morals than almost all of the posts here
      http://johnpilger.com/articles/the-assange-arrest-is-a-warning-from-history

      And some very raw humor …. theres a joke to offend every body , multiple times .

      Rugby 16 mins 22 secs
      Laugh at the offensiveness of it all ( the world ) … not the comedian

      very topical and a good breather / reset
      • The Al1en 15.1.1

        16 April 2019 at 8:32 pm

        You’re welcome for the link I could find but you couldn’t, that I’m supposed to be guilty of something for not providing earlier when the onus is on you to back up your crap. 😉
        The Al1en 6.1
        16 April 2019 at 7:53 pm
        At least you’re admitting my quotes above are correct.

        But here it is, the reason for the rants and raves, the using of victims to push a political point. Exactly as noted above. Shameful shit.

        “7 – 8 being Isis or Al Nusra sex slavesin Syria or Iraq … or trafficked black woman in Libya ….. Wikileaks has exposed the dishonesty and warmongering by Clinton etc …. that created the condition for such mass death suffering and raping.

        9 – 10 The very worst … like the two Gadaffi female body guards raped to death …. thanks to Hillary / Cameron / NATO etc …”
        • reason 15.1.1.1

          16 April 2019 at 8:42 pm

          I admitted this …… The L1ar Al1en

          “You’ll note when I paraphrased your / TRP s, ‘ You were rude to me ‘, statement I did not use direct quotation marks …. this is because I could not find the thread.

          The Al1en however did use exact quote marks” ” …. claiming I was quoting you ver batum. ….. was he being dishonest? … probably . ”

          https://thestandard.org.nz/daily-review-16-04-2019/#comment-1608493
          • The Al1en 15.1.1.1.1

            16 April 2019 at 8:47 pm

            As noted in tonight’s daily review, I’ve not quoted you from the old assange thread, but from this one.
            As you can see, at no time has ‘ ‘Yup … you were rude to me.’ been put in quotes themselves, just included in quotes you made in posts above.

            Give up. It’s gone.

            The Al1en 6.1.1.1.1.1
            16 April 2019 at 8:25 pm
            Well I might have to use it because the allegation that “The Al1en however did use exact quote marks” ” …. claiming I was quoting you ver batum. ….. was he being dishonest? … probably .” is just more bull shit.

            In the recent thread, any instance of ” ‘Yup … you were rude to me.” has been from a quote from that days thread, such as…

            The Al1en …
            14 April 2019 at 3:41 pm
            “I asked TRP if he was going to let that stand …… his reply ‘Yup … you were rude to me.”

            I’ve directly quoted from the posts in that thread. Nowhere in the exchange did TRP ever write ‘Yup … you were rude to me.
            That’s a lie, isn’t it?

            The Al1en …
            14 April 2019 at 4:14 pm
            I’ve quoted directly from the thread. No argument from me. It’s black and white.

            “I asked TRP if he was going to let that stand …… his reply ‘Yup … you were rude to me.”

            That was never posted in the whole exchange. Link to it.

            The Al1en 3.1.4.2.1.1
            14 April 2019 at 5:02 pm
            Find your own thread. I did. Maybe you can too. But I can tell you for sure there’s no “I asked TRP if he was going to let that stand …… his reply ‘Yup … you were rude to me.” in there.
        • reason 15.1.1.2

          16 April 2019 at 8:51 pm

          You shortened the Quote The Al1en …. why did you leave out Wikileaks ?

          “9 – 10 The very worst … like the two Gadaffi female body guards raped to death …. thanks to Hillary / Cameron / NATO etc …

          And as exposed by Wikileaks …. the warmongering that is ”

          My politics is showing what hypocrites you are …..

          Your using rape allegations for political purposes against wikileaks
          • The Al1en 15.1.1.2.1

            16 April 2019 at 8:59 pm

            It’s literally six inches up screen if people are that bothered about it.
            I wouldn’t be claiming leaving out a line that is separated from the text I was quoting as a win, but I can see why you would. lol

            But leaving your shifting goalposts for a moment, admit my quoting above is correct and not as you allege. You’re lying about my quotes, right?
            • reason 15.1.1.2.1.1

              16 April 2019 at 9:41 pm

              Why should I waste time on your Garbage The L1ar AL1en …

              Your a hypocrite who has abused my survivor / victim status repeatedly

              While trying to be a moral crusader

              And use rape allegations for political reasons against wikileaks

              Wikileaks is the sort of organization which helps curtail dishonest wars …. the sort leading to the deaths and rapes I described above.

              … and you called ‘political’
              • The Al1en …

                16 April 2019 at 9:45 pm

                You lose if I play, you lose if I don’t.
                There are already plenty enough reasons to show how you’ve been proved incorrect and motive mischievous in this thread without even trying to discredit your latest smears.
                Staying in it only adds fuel to your flame war.

                I’m happy to leave you to wallow in the mess of your own making.
                Every point answered, everything above board and legit.
                TA.
      • reason 15.1.2

        16 April 2019 at 8:38 pm

        I’d like to note I put in the Frankie boyle link ….. to show James and co have not twisted the knife enough to bum me out , or make me stop laughing.

        And to apologize for my being a bit reactionary to James and The Al1ens dishonest goading of me ….

        The clips a good laugh … 🙂

        Unlike The L1ar Al1ens nasty rants …… and continual victim / survivor abuse ….. booo hooo to him 🙂
16. Observer Tokoroa 16

    14 April 2019 at 8:01 pm

    Heart Throb

    Julian Assange feels he has a right to ignore Sweden. But Soveriegn Nations do not easily suck up to little men like Assange.

    Sweden has not at any time decided to extradite the timid Assange to the USA. But The Heart Throb is trying persuade his little followers that he will be Murded if he approaches the USA.

    I know Julian Assange is a wonderful friend of the Trolls on here. Through him they have discovered some nasty bits of what happens in War. As if that was ever an unknown.

    They seem entirely unaware that Assange released what he called “timely information” (true or false) to obliterate Hilary Clinton’s chances of Presidency.

    He is after all Mr Big. He did not try and destroy the Wealthy, of course not. Just the needy. And of course Obama Care is a hanging offence in the Wealthy Troll households. Mr Big doesn’t give a fig for the impoverished Americans.

    However, the most savage Wikileak thing to Date, is the release of Millions of pieces of personal Information belonging to nearly every Female in Turkey. Home Address, Banking, Phone, and so on.

    Neither ugly Wikileaks or Assange, has apologised to all those Women. Many of whom are now victims of Turkey Red Necks, former mongrel husbands, and Murder.

    Like New Zealand, Turkey males frequently do not value the women who bring them into the World. Except that NZ makes attempts to imprison it’s Murderers.

    The Internet, in particular Wikileaks, thanks to twisters like Assange, is not worth a dime. It’s a dump, fit for dumpsters.

    Thanks for nothing Heart Throbs. Australian women – be aware. !
    • WILD KATIPO 16.1

      14 April 2019 at 8:15 pm

      …’ They seem entirely unaware that Assange released what he called “timely information” (true or false) to obliterate Hilary Clinton’s chances of Presidency’…

      Yes , indeed he did.

      ARMS TO ISIS VIA THE CLINTON FOUNDATION.

      Snapped in a whole bundle of emails that don’t lie, don’t change and are there for all the world to see.

      With interviewer John Pilger to boot , – WHO ,- might I add , – would have far more knowledge on this particular subject than you’re emotive rant. Matter of fact , I would venture to say far more knowledge of geopolitical issues than most here.

      Hes lived it, – most of you haven’t , – barring sitting behind your computers and selecting articles to suit your own particular ideology’s.

      Oh , and if people want to start calling John Pilger a far right supporter and an embedded journalist for the establishment… you’re welcome.

      We could all do with a good laugh from time to time.
    • greywarshark 16.2

      14 April 2019 at 9:28 pm

      Observer – I think you tell a good story. Expand it a bit more and you could probably earn from The National Enquirer in the USA.
    • Brigid 16.3

      14 April 2019 at 10:16 pm

      Wikileakss did not publish the details of millions of Turkish women voters.

      An individual by the name of Michael Best did.

      “Reports that WikiLeaks published data on Turkish women are false. WikiLeaks didn’t publish the database. Someone else did. What WikiLeaks released were emails from Turkey’s ruling party, the Justice & Development Party or AKP, which is the political force behind the country’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, who is currently purging Turkey’s judiciary, educational sector and press.”

      https://wikileaks.org/10years/distorted-facts.html
    • Gabby 16.4

      15 April 2019 at 10:14 am

      I don’t persnilly find your throbbing credible obitoki, ackshley.
17. Jackel 17

    14 April 2019 at 10:00 pm

    To my mind there is one legal question for which Assange has a case to answer. By releasing classified state documents to the public, did Assange place anyone in harm’s way or compromise a states ability to protect its citizens safety? Did the public’s right to know outweigh the risks to a nations citizens of this information being made public?

    I also also think that issues of sexual consent should always be taken seriously.
    • WILD KATIPO 17.1

      14 April 2019 at 10:39 pm

      I guess then that Snowden is in the same boat.

      Or any other whistleblower that disclose’s sensitive information on corruption the ‘deep state’ does not wish to be made public.

      Look out investigative journalist’ the world over !!!

      Just confine it to sports write ups and the weather just to be safe !!!
    • francesca 17.2

      15 April 2019 at 7:22 am

      Can you name anyone who is dead as a result of Wikileaks ?
      • Jackel 17.2.1

        15 April 2019 at 10:04 am

        That is not a simple question to answer, has yet to be determined and is a matter for the courts. Other human rights violations need to also be included. I don’t think legitimate journalism has anything to fear from this.

        My concern is that Assange has a fair trial and has his own rights protected. I’m not clear that is happening.
18. WILD KATIPO 18

    14 April 2019 at 10:13 pm

    And then there’s this from these peoples perspectives :

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/why-i-am-convinced-that-anna-ardin-is-a-liar/comment-page-10/

    https://www.rt.com/news/456301-hillary-clinton-jokes-assange-arrest/

    ——————————————–

    ‘We GOTTEM’ !!!”, – pretty much the same reaction when Clinton watched Qaddafi ‘get his’. Wonderful. Lovely huh ?

    ——————————————-

    Assange in custody RT — CrossTalk – RT.com
    https://www.rt.com › Shows › CrossTalk

    CrossTalk: Assange in custody by RT | Free Listening on SoundCloud
    https://soundcloud.com/rttv/crosstalk-assange-in-custody

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-12/assange-unforgivable-sin-disemboweling-official-narratives
    • WILD KATIPO 18.1

      14 April 2019 at 11:12 pm

      Just providing this because the first link seem corrupted.

      EP.737: John Pilger- Julian Assange’s Arrest an ASSAULT … – YouTube
      
19. WILD KATIPO 19

    15 April 2019 at 1:51 am

    Here’s a very interesting one , … pay PARTICULAR attention at 8.40 into the vid.

    Definitely with a New Zealand connection , – with DIRECT application for the ongoing interest in and the U.S’s deep state’s vendetta against Kim Dotcom !

    UNDER THE MICROSCOPE: Julian Assange & The DJT … – YouTube
    
20. WILD KATIPO 20

    15 April 2019 at 5:03 am

    And this is a pertinent albeit humorous rendition from Jimmy Dore… and no , hes not a particular supporter of any side…

    Jimmy Dore – Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Dore

    But it is about the journalists right to protect their sources,.. and it is obvious that Chelsea Manning is not going to rat on Wikileaks , – thus implying Assange , – as the Court has tried to coerce out of her, which resulted in her indefinite incarceration until she ‘complies’. And that leads right back to plans of the U.S deep state to having Assange extradited and tried for less than tenuous charges as a journalist.

    Tucker Carlson Defends Assange. Huh? – YouTube
    
21. Nick J 21

    15 April 2019 at 6:38 am

    I dearly hope that the Swedes prosecute Assange, it’s going to be hilarious watching the prosecutor trying to get evidence from two women who who refused cooperation.

    More amusing will be the response of TPR and all of those other worms here seeing their pet hate misandry go down in flames. No apologies will of course be given.
    • Psycho Milt 21.1

      15 April 2019 at 7:01 am

      … it’s going to be hilarious watching the prosecutor trying to get evidence from two women who who refused cooperation.

      Nothing quite such a laff riot as women’s claims of sexual abuse, huh? Remember the stand-up routine Trump had about Christine Blasey Ford? Oh, my aching sides…
      • Morrissey 21.1.1

        15 April 2019 at 10:33 am

        Women being inveigled and bamboozled by criminal authorities to lie is no joke.

        And how is Assange in any way comparable to Trump?

        [I’ve already stated that victim blaming/shaming will not be tolerated. Only warning. TRP]
        • Adrian Thornton 21.1.1.1

          15 April 2019 at 11:37 am

          No rape victim blaming is allowed (which is right), but making sick rape jokes about Assange is more than tolerated by the author and moderator of this piece, it was actually written by them…..some serious double standards sneaking through on TS.

          The Standard – Assange Arrested
          April 11th, 2019
          TRP
          47.1.2
          “I think it’s kinda ironic that Assange was rudely awakened yesterday to find he was fucked without protection.”
          • te reo putake 21.1.1.1.1

            15 April 2019 at 11:53 am

            Ok, for a start, it’s not a rape joke. He’s ‘fucked’ in his situation, not in direct reference to actual sexual connection. Only the cat knows that (ooooh, another joke. Edgy or what!!!).

            However, it’s good that you recognise that what he did to at least one of the Swedish women was rape. You’re making progress.
            • Adrian Thornton 21.1.1.1.1.1

              15 April 2019 at 12:21 pm

              No, it is most definitely a rape joke, so please at least have to fucking balls to admit that ….seriously “fucked without protection” not a reference to sexual connection?..of course it is.

              You seem to have lost all reason over this one, maybe you need a lie down and a cuppa until tomorrow to gather yourself?

              And finally as I have said but you never reply to, if you think that this has the slightest thing to do with those two woman, that the UK government would spend in excess of 20 million dollars to watch Assange on behalf of these two woman is frankly beyond comprehension.

              I mean is this really what you really think extraditing Assange is all about?, if not then what?
              • Siobhan …

                15 April 2019 at 12:52 pm

                The Brits have certainly developed a sudden interest in ‘justice’

                Compare the treatment of Assange to Augusto Pinochet.

                Pinochet enjoyed visits from Thatcher at the Wentworth estate.
                Blair making secret deals for his release.
                Reagan chomping at the bit to offer him asylum as a special guest…

                Admittedly Pinochet didn’t face any, subsequently dropped, accusations of rape, just “36 counts of kidnapping, 23 counts of torture, and one of murder for the torture and disappearance of opponents of his regime”..but, of course, no breaching his bail a terribly heinous and vile crime of course..

                https://www.irishtimes.com/news/chile-and-britain-had-pact-to-free-pinochet-1.267782

                https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1536624/Pinochet-the-friend-of-Britain-who-ruled-his-country-by-fear.html

                https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/11/augusto-pinochet-asylum-united-states-ronald-reagan
                • francesca …

                  15 April 2019 at 7:53 pm

                  Now listen here young lady
                  We are talking about a NARCISSIST, someone who doesn”t see to the kitty litter, someone who skateboards and attempts to block the cameras surveilling him FOR HIS OWN DAMN SAFETY mind you
                  Someone who’s careless with condoms, and that TRUMPS torture and any minor spot of murder that Pinochet might have got up to
                  Straighten up and get your priorities right
              • te reo putake …

                15 April 2019 at 1:22 pm

                Ok, I get that you don’t understand humour, Adrian, either in the general or the particular. But at least you now get that what Assange is accused of is actually rape, so that’s good. This conversation is at an end.
                • Adrian Thornton …

                  15 April 2019 at 1:46 pm

                  [Sexual suggestions and abuse deleted. Way over the line, Adrian. Come back tomorrow when you’ve cooled down. TRP]
                • Adrian Thornton …

                  15 April 2019 at 2:23 pm

                  [Banned till May 1st. TRP]
            • francesca 21.1.1.1.1.2

              15 April 2019 at 2:07 pm

              That is so disingenuous of you, its a clear parallel to what Assange is accused of
              Beneath you TRP, first to make the stupid joke ..snigger ..snigger, secondly to
              attempt a weaselly way out
              • te reo putake …

                15 April 2019 at 2:19 pm

                Yes, it is a clear parallel, fransesca. Or an analogy, as some might prefer. It satirically compares Assange’s current situation with one of the accusations made against him.

                I’m not weaselling out at all. It’s my joke, it’s (mildly) funny and it’s 100% apt. It’s just not the kind of joke one commenter insists it is.

                I note nobody gives a shit about the cat joke, which is far dodgier 😉
            • WILD KATIPO 21.1.1.1.1.3

              15 April 2019 at 2:47 pm

              The,… radio station that wanted John Key to ‘ bend over and pick up a bar of soap’,… was a ‘prison humor’ sexual joke / innuendo apparently. Apparently alluding to ‘rape’. Yet somehow yours stands alone as ‘different’…
              • te reo putake …

                15 April 2019 at 2:56 pm

                Correct.
                • WILD KATIPO …

                  15 April 2019 at 3:18 pm

                  [Banned till May 1 for author abuse. TRP]
                • The Al1en …

                  15 April 2019 at 3:49 pm

                  Bloody hell, TRP, your fakedragedar must be pinging off the hook. 😆

                  Your posts do out the angry ultras, that’s for sure.
                  Keep it up.
                  • te reo putake …

                    15 April 2019 at 4:03 pm

                    Cheers, Al1en. Though I really do prefer that people take the hint rather than go into full burning martyr mode.
            • gsays 21.1.1.1.1.4

              16 April 2019 at 9:25 am

              FWIW..I read it as a rape reference.
              Akin to Judith Collins and the way she could wave off concerns with double bunking

              I have learnt a lot about what being ‘progressive’ is from reading TRP and other authors.
              I have come to understand that victim blaming is wrong.
              A lot to do with power imbalances.

              I get being provocative is a great way to engage with people and get conversation and debate.
              Surely though with that provocation is an obligation to keep the shit-stirring cheerleaders in check.
              I am not aware of the history between reason and Al1en, clearly there was pain being expressed. Everything goes downhill when provocateurs lob their wee grenades into the thread.

              I am hyper wary of commenting on these threads because of how quickly things escalate. The term rape apologist gets bandied about and the Othering goes off the charts.
      • Nick J 21.1.2

        15 April 2019 at 10:37 am

        Don’t think it worth coming back to laugh at you Milt, it’s like laughing at something I trod in.
    • Sabine 21.2

      15 April 2019 at 8:25 am

      is it misandry when a man agrees to a sexual relation under certain conditions and then goes about his business breaking these conditions?
      Or would that fall under misogyny or just ‘dumb enough to fuck the fucker and thus getting what she deserves? Cause when you fuck a fucker you deserve all you get, right? I mean what was she thinking fucking J.A. – a nice night followed by a decent breakfast?

      It seems that an awful lot of man don’t want to know about consent and respectful sexual relationships.
      they just want to fuck about any which way they like as is their god given right?

      So yeah, it will be ‘fun’ to watch having a women explain that she is not on the pill (many women can’t actually take the pill for health reasons) and he ignored her wishes to the use of a condom and actually risked impregnating her (what a riot fathering children willy nilly the planet over ), risking sexual transmitted diseases (a hoot too cause hey everyone loves a bout of gonorrhea or such) and essentially disregarding the clauses under which consent was given.

      I agree with you it will be a laugh.

      I suggest that his sentence be simple to simply become the most unfuckable white man on this planet ever.
      • Nick J 21.2.1

        15 April 2019 at 10:35 am

        [Deleted. Find a way to ask the question without resorting to shouty abuse. TRP]
      • Brigid 21.2.2

        15 April 2019 at 1:08 pm

        So if all of this is true
        “he ignored her wishes to the use of a condom and actually risked impregnating her (what a riot fathering children willy nilly the planet over ), risking sexual transmitted diseases (a hoot too cause hey everyone loves a bout of gonorrhea or such) and essentially disregarding the clauses under which consent was given.”
        wouldn’t you say the Swedish authorities sorely abrogated their duties in not charging Assange when he voluntarily met with such authorities to answer their questions?

        Why do you suppose he wasn’t charged at that time?

        Could it be that you’re just simply confused and mistaken about the events that occurred between Assange and the women?
        • McFlock 21.2.2.1

          15 April 2019 at 1:29 pm

          Could it be that you are unfamiliar with the answer given seven and a half years ago?

          142. Mr Assange contended prior to the hearing before the Senior District Judge that the warrant had been issued for the purpose of questioning Mr Assange rather than prosecuting him and that he was not accused of an offence. In response to that contention, shortly before that hearing, Mrs Ny provided a signed statement dated 11 February 2011 on behalf of the Prosecutor:

          “6. A domestic warrant for [Julian Assange’s] arrest was upheld [on] 24 November 2010 by the Court of Appeal, Sweden. An arrest warrant was issued on the basis that Julian Assange is accused with probable cause of the offences outlined on the EAW.

          7. According to Swedish law, a formal decision to indict may not be taken at the stage that the criminal process is currently at. Julian Assange’s case is currently at the stage of “preliminary investigation”. It will only be concluded when Julian Assange is surrendered to Sweden and has been interrogated.

          8. The purpose of a preliminary investigation is to investigate the crime. provide underlying material on which to base a decision concerning prosecution and prepare the case so that all evidence can be presented at trial. Once a decision to indict has been made, an indictment is filed with the court. In the case of a person in pre-trial detention, the trial must commence within 2 weeks. Once started, the trial may not be adjourned. It can, therefore be seen that the formal decision to indict is made at an advanced stage of the criminal proceedings. There is no easy analogy to be drawn with the English criminal procedure. I issued the EAW because I was satisfied that there was substantial and probable cause to accuse Julian Assange of the offences.

          9. It is submitted on Julian Assange’s behalf that it would be possible for me to interview him by way of Mutual Legal Assistance. This is not an appropriate course in Assange’s case. The preliminary investigation is at an advanced stage and I consider that is necessary to interrogate Assange, in person, regarding the evidence in respect of the serious allegations made against him.

          10. Once the interrogation is complete. it may be that further questions need to be put to witnesses or the forensic scientists. Subject to any matters said by him, which undermine my present view that he should be indicted, an indictment will be lodged with the court thereafter. It can therefore be seen that Assange is sought for the purpose of conducting criminal proceedings and that he is not sought merely to assist with our enquiries.”
          • francesca 21.2.2.1.1

            15 April 2019 at 2:39 pm

            There are other legal opinions that dispute your quote (from Marianne Ny?)at number 9

            http://www.friatider.se/swedish-ministry-of-foreign-affairs-explains-why-assange-is-not-questioned-in-london-you-do-not-dictate-the-terms-if-you-are-a-suspect-get-it
            • McFlock 21.2.2.1.1.1

              15 April 2019 at 2:47 pm

              Whether it was possible to interview assange in the embassy (your link) is irrelevant to the question as to why assange “wasn’t charged at that time” (Brigid’s question and my linked response).

              I do, however, refer you to the comment:

              Subject to any matters said by him, which undermine my present view that he should be indicted, an indictment will be lodged with the court thereafter.

              So a second interview in an environment that protects him from subsequent indictment is most likely a pointles exercise, anyway. Why would the Swedes bother entertaining such a charade?
              • francesca …

                15 April 2019 at 2:57 pm

                An indictment would certainly have fast tracked an arrest and extradition should Assange leave the Embassy. It could be sitting there waiting
                Another Swedish legal opinion says Assange should have been questioned as soon as he got to the UK. Why did the Swedes piss around?
                Assange was a sitting duck for 2 years before he was granted asylum.
                Professor Bring says the Embassy asylum makes little difference

                https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=5235707
                • McFlock …

                  15 April 2019 at 3:03 pm

                  An indictment would certainly fast track an arrest and extradition

                  So why would the Swedes break their own judicial procedures just to “fast track” a process they won? He was granted asylum because he absconded from bail as soon as he exhausted his appeals from extradition to Sweden.

                  Besides, the existence of an indictment was only one of several points on which his team unsuccessfully appealed his extradition each time. No court appearance would have been rendered unnecessary by your unorthodox approach to “fast track” the extradition.
      • francesca 21.2.3

        15 April 2019 at 2:02 pm

        My god Sabine, and so for this horrendous crime that renders Assange stripped of his human rights and “the most unfuckable man (I mean why stop at white?) on this planet ever” the Swedish authorities have left no stone unturned to gain justice for their hugely wronged women.
        Or have they?
        3 years after the allegations were first raised the Swedes wanted to quietly drop the whole thing.

        “It was a freedom of information request by an ally of Assange, not a media outlet, that unearthed documents showing that Swedish investigators had, in fact, wanted to drop the case against Assange back in 2013. The UK, however, insisted that they carry on with the charade so that Assange could remain locked up. A British official emailed the Swedes: “Don’t you dare get cold feet!!!””

        the Swedish director of public prosecutions, Marianne Ny, wrote to the CPS on 18 October 2013 explaining that she had few options left. “There is a demand in Swedish law for coercive measures to be proportionate,” she informed London.

        “The time passing, the costs and how severe the crime is to be taken into account together with the intrusion or detriment to the suspect. Against this background, we have found us to be obliged to lift the detention order … and to withdraw the European arrest warrant. If so this should be done in a couple of weeks. This would affect not only us but you too in a significant way.”

        The investigation was finally dropped in 2017, as a previous one had been in 2010.
        How many times must Assange submit to the investigation being opened again , despite no new evidence?
        Assange has submitted himself for extensive questioning both in Sweden and the UK.
        He was under house arrest in the UK for one and a half years (with electronic manacles).Plenty of time for the Swedish prosecutors to question him. They did not need to have him in Sweden to do that .They have countless times conducted questioning in the UK for other cases
        .Assange left Sweden in 2010 and did not enter the Embassy until 2012

        The extradition order was for questioning, not for facing trial.
        Finally after many offers from Assange, they did question him at the Embassy, although not allowing him his Swedish lawyer to be present.
        Still no charges were made
        Why not?

        Sorry Sabine , very very bad as it was for Assange …if its true..to not use a condom when asked, it hardly warrants an Interpol arrest warrant.And the deliberate tampering of a condom he is accused of? The ripped one the complainant presented to the police for forensic examination came up empty, no Assange DNA
        How could that be?
        All of this sturm und drang is wildly disproportionate while the Swedish state struggles to deal with rape claims far more violent
        • Brigid 21.2.3.1

          15 April 2019 at 3:01 pm

          Francesca as one of the many (though less vociferous) reading and posting on this site that is able to read, comprehend and use a reasonable amount logic , have a read of Assange’s statement.
          It’s obviously not worth offering it to those with an unfounded opposing view of the shenanigans between Assange and a Swedish woman.

          http://steelcityscribblings.uk/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Julian-Assange-s-statement.pdf

          It shows that the Swedish government is surely the USA’s bitch, along with alot of other damned interesting stuff.
          Like
          Ah… It seems Assange didn’t refuse to use a condom at all. Damn!!
          • francesca 21.2.3.1.1

            15 April 2019 at 5:57 pm

            Thanks for the link Brigid
            Really good , everyone should read it.
            It certainly shows up what a David and Goliath case it is
            Utterly Kafkaesque.
            And the criminality of the various secret services showing loyalty to each other and enabling each other to deceive and conceal things from their own governments
          • McFlock 21.2.3.1.2

            15 April 2019 at 6:34 pm

            So he says. Funny how he was afraid to have his credibility tested in court.
            • mauī 21.2.3.1.2.1

              15 April 2019 at 9:05 pm

              Afraid to be extradited, not afraid of defending the allegations. The investigation was dropped by the first prosecutor, taken up by a second prosecutor who took 7 years to properly interview the damn guy, and then the investigation was dropped for the second time. They’ve had all the physical evidence for many years too. It sounds like a court case is dubious to say the least…
              • McFlock …

                15 April 2019 at 9:36 pm

                Physical evidence? He never said they didn’t have sex. The question was whether there was consent to not use a condom. The interview wasn’t going to resolve that question, but it was a formality they had to do before charging him the Swedish way.

                So he wanted to dictate the terms of his extradition and the terms of his interview, in an environment where he couldn’t be charged once it was completed.

                Why bother. They’ve got fair play at him now that he’s been kicked out.
                • mauī …

                  15 April 2019 at 10:40 pm

                  Phsical evidence like.. they couldn’t find his DNA on the torn condom that one of the complainants had submitted….
                  https://www.smh.com.au/world/no-assange-dna-on-torn-condom–report-20120916-260vs.html

                  I think you may be jumping to conclusions, an interview is more likely standard for any investigation. How do we know he is any more likely to be charged after that? I don’t think we do?

                  If there is a case to answer, why hasn’t criminal proceedings begun already? As I said they have had everything they need for a long time.
                  • McFlock …

                    15 April 2019 at 11:46 pm

                    Lol DNA on the broken condom, or its absence on it, can only support the complainant’s testimony, not discredit it. If he used a rubber properly, you’d be looking for a full unbroken one. If he didn’t, the court needs to decide whether consent to go bareback was given. Even if his DNA was on the broken rubber, that just says a rubber broke. The key is the testimony, in court.

                    How do we know he is any more likely to be charged after that?

                    Francesca posted a link to answer that one for you (my italics):

                    Subject to any matters said by him, which undermine my present view that he should be indicted, an indictment will be lodged with the court thereafter.

                    why hasn’t criminal proceedings begun already?

                    That one went through the Britich court system 7 years ago or more. They had. The second interview was part of them.
      • Nick J 21.2.4

        15 April 2019 at 2:28 pm

        become the most unfuckable white man on this planet ever

        So Sabine if I said, “most ******able black woman” would I be a racist misogynist?
        • Sabine 21.2.4.1

          15 April 2019 at 6:27 pm

          i don’t know.

          depends on the context?

          he is white.
          he does not respect his sexual partners, their wishes, and their bodies.

          he should be the most unfuckable white person ever.

          but other then that, have you got a comment on the fact that he endangered his partner, disrespected her wishes in regards to how she liked to have sex, or the lack of his own fertility controll when clearly the lady did not want to carry his blessing?

          no?

          so maybe you are just a misogynist to begin with. 🙂

          beats me. really.

          But i am really sorry if it bothers you that someone points out white male privilege in someone who is at the very best simply a mediocre man who got cult status on the back of whistleblowers who did the hard yards all the way, while he disrespected his sexual partners and like a coward hid in a room in an embassy for several years. And then was stupid enough to get himself kicked out due to his ‘attitude’.
          • Nick J 21.2.4.1.1

            15 April 2019 at 6:52 pm

            White male privilege….go on. You seem to have a thing about white males. If I had the same about black women, well it would be open season with calls of women hate and racism. Fair enough too, but obviously it doesn’t work the other way. Clearly double standards.
            • McFlock 21.2.4.1.1.1

              15 April 2019 at 7:05 pm

              Yeah, as white males we can’t drop the N-word in social conversation without being called racist. It’s so unfair /sarc
              • Nick J …

                16 April 2019 at 6:20 am

                Actually McF it’s pretty instructive. Hate speech maybe, depending of course on who is defining it. Comrade McF perhaps?
                • McFlock …

                  16 April 2019 at 1:11 pm

                  lols I doubt some others on the assange thread would think I deserve that moniker.

                  But then your social awareness is obviously a catastrophe waiting to happen, anyway, so whatevs – call me “comrade” if you wish.
                  • Nick J …

                    17 April 2019 at 8:50 am

                    Isn’t “social awareness” something they had in the Soviet so you could identify kulaks and bourgeois elements? Nice one Comrade.
                    • McFlock …

                      17 April 2019 at 11:13 am

                      No, it’s something one needs so people don’t have second thoughts about inviting you to social gatherings or being alone in a room with you.
                    • Nick J []

                      17 April 2019 at 1:18 pm

                      So like toeing the line when you know that the people around you are wrong just to preserve your status within the group.
                    • McFlock …

                      17 April 2019 at 1:28 pm

                      Not at all. It’s more like being able to listen to what they are saying, interpret that in the context of the whole discussion and what else is going on, and being able to use that information in order to arrive at an understanding of their message that is similar to what they intended their message to convey.

                      Rather than misunderstanding their subject, misunderstanding their position on that subject, and then arguing with them about a topic which to them seems unrelated to the discussion and possibly also somewhat aggressive.
                    • Nick J []

                      17 April 2019 at 11:54 pm

                      So basically to be socially aware is to be able to listen to another’s argument and accommodate it, maybe not agree but to remain talking.

                      If you go by the empirical evidence on this blog I’d question who the hell is socially aware? I see merely entrenched positions.

                      In the case of Assange I have an entrenched position as well. Give me irrefutable hard evidence, not opinion based upon ideological position. Make me believe based upon proven fact. In the absence of that social awareness is very Peter and the wolf.
                    • McFlock …

                      18 April 2019 at 12:13 am

                      So basically to be socially aware is to be able to listen to another’s argument and accommodate it, maybe not agree but to remain talking.

                      Nope, it’s bigger than that.

                      It can help in certain types of debate, but does not require an argument at all. Indeed, it helps avoid arguments just as much as it might be usful in resolving some. Social gatherings, remember? You’re not the type whose only idea of social conversation is to argue with people, are you?

                      As for Peter and the Wolf, you do understand that in that piece Peter actually caught the wolf with the cooperation of a little bird? So I’m a bit unclear on the message you were trying to convey – if nobody hands you “irrefutable hard evidence” (because you are so entitled?), what – you will catch the wolf and string it up by its tail? What is the “wolf” in this scenario?
      • francesca 21.2.5

        15 April 2019 at 3:03 pm

        Sabine
        So Tony Blair would be more fuckable?
        Pony tail Key?
        The Beast of Blenheim?
        Clint Rickards?
        Gerry Brownlee?
22. Morrissey 22

    15 April 2019 at 10:31 am

    She told the Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet in 2010 that the complaints were “not orchestrated by the Pentagon”…

    https://i0.wp.com/bobcesca.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/cant-tell-if-serious.jpg
23. Observer Tokoroa 23

    15 April 2019 at 10:56 am

    Unlike the Trolls on here , Michael Best appears to be honest.

    Taken from the Huff Post, 27 July 2017

    “UPDATE: July 27 — Hours after this blog was published, national security blogger Michael Best, who uploaded Turkish citizens’ personal information databases that WikiLeaks promoted, came forward to say that doing so was a mistake after the site where he uploaded the information took it down. The files were removed due to privacy concerns, according to Best. WikiLeaks has not taken down its social media links to the now dead link.

    However, WikiLeaks also posted links on social media to its millions of followers via multiple channels to a set of leaked massive databases containing sensitive and private information of millions of ordinary people, including a special database of almost all adult women in Turkey. ”

    To those who have asked, large numbers of women are Murded in Turkey by Husbands and exhusbands. I do not have any official numbers though.

    Why would Assange and his mates keep full details on every woman in Turkey? Age, Address, Bank, Career, Health ….and so on Database after database.

    Millions of bits of info on Hundreds of thousands of Women. Exposing them to further destruction.

    Assange is an error masked by narcissism. The Internet stinks. Just as all Hackers stink. Internet can be hacked by strange minds for bad purposes any time of the day or night.

    HuffPost – Intelligencer – might have some decency. Trolls don’t.
    • Sacha 23.1

      15 April 2019 at 11:02 am

      “Taken from the Huff Post, 27 July 2017”

      Cmon, please paste a link.
    • Brigid 23.2

      15 April 2019 at 12:58 pm

      So take a leaf from Michael Best’s book and be honest yourself.
      Stop blaming Assange and Wikileaks for the Turkish women’s information being exposed.
      FYI Michael Best now goes under the name of Emma Best.
      Her twitter handle remains the same.
24. Observer Tokoroa 24

    15 April 2019 at 5:41 pm

    Brigid

    It would be good if brilliant researchers such as yourself could clear Wikileaks.

    The tendency of Wikileaks to run away from its tasks unfinished and unexplained makes everything even more difficult than it need be.

    The HuffPost, in the meantime is a reasonable Journal. So I referred to that. I took note that Michael Best stated that he wished the private Lives lives of women had not been published and distributed.

    With your firm belief in the integrity of the Internet and Wikileaks in particular. you will have a very different view about the likely violation of privacy affecting nearly every Female in Turkey.

    I do NOT support without permission, the uplifting of any Document from any Nation by any Person.

    Whatever Assange and his Wikileaks has uplifted without Licence- remains a criminal act. No matter how much you disagree. To have information taken about a citizen, by Assange or Pilger or you Brigid – remains a serious crime.

    The so called Web is a Hell of a place ! All the Best.
25. francesca 25

    15 April 2019 at 5:43 pm

    Sorry McFlock, been swimming in the lake with my sister
    As to the Swedes breaking their own judicial procedures:
    Why did they break their own judicial procedures by being so bloody dilatory, for which the prosecutor was sharply criticised by the Stockholm appeal court in November 2015
    Why wait until Assange was in the Embassy/
    Why not interview , as Prof Bring suggested in a timely manner , in the two years Assange was not under Ecuador’s protection , and instead wait for 6 years?
    How was that doing justice to the two women?
    And Brigid’s link to Assange’s statement is well worth reading
    • McFlock 25.1

      15 April 2019 at 6:22 pm

      To which court hearing are you referring? Link please.

      As for the rest, already gone through several times.

      Frankly, his statement is a sea of irrelevance.
      • Gabby 25.1.1

        15 April 2019 at 7:00 pm

        I’m convinced by your empty assertions flockers.
        • McFlock 25.1.1.1

          15 April 2019 at 7:09 pm

          If that’s the case, then the comments where I provided links to Assange’s legal team lying and the others where I linked to the actual UK extradition hearing judgements will blow your mind.
          • Gabby 25.1.1.1.1

            16 April 2019 at 2:49 pm

            Mind unblown flockers.
            • McFlock 25.1.1.1.1.1

              17 April 2019 at 3:12 pm

              That’s not your mind. Move up a few feet.
26. Sabine 26

    15 April 2019 at 6:07 pm

    lie with dogs and wake up with fleas

    https://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2019/04/this-is-what-happens-when-you-help-to.html
27. francesca 27

    15 April 2019 at 7:45 pm

    McFlock ..your answer…link provided.
    I’m going off the radar now
    Life intervenes

    “Frustration at the legal deadlock in the case has seen Swedish legal opinion at a senior level swing against the prosecutor’s refusal to travel to interview Assange in London, with Anne Ramberg, head of the Bar Association, calling the impasse a circus.”

    “In November a Swedish appeals court upheld the warrant for his arrest, but criticised prosecutors for not making enough effort to explore “alternative avenues” for interrogating Mr Assange.”

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31867829
    • McFlock 27.1

      15 April 2019 at 8:18 pm

      So November 2014, and the arrest warrant was upheld anyway.

      And the interview didn’t change the decision to pursue him, so was a waste of time and money.
28. remo 28

    15 April 2019 at 7:49 pm

    Assanges work is heroic. He, is heroic.
    The truths’ Wikileaks have supplied us with, legendary. Corruption and torture and murder. war criminal pedophiles whistling Yankee Doodle dandy .. Proofs of iT. Documented on the record, in the literature and the ghouls that rule the world want him dead for it.
    This is a sad day for heroes and truth. Deepsnake empire have formally put on notice all journalists. It appears most needn’t worry since all they have ever been are stenographers to power, so cannot recognise the end of something free people have fought long and hard for.
    We Lament .
    • McFlock 28.1

      15 April 2019 at 8:26 pm

      Deepsnake. Good name for a band.
      • remo 28.1.1

        16 April 2019 at 3:31 pm

        deepsnake speak with fork tongue so ; even with my heroes and truth thing, truth is, Assange could still be psyop. …. could still be controlled opposition….I should hedge…
29. greywarshark 29

    17 April 2019 at 10:13 am

    There is a most distasteful line in this thread about Assange. A lot of viputeration about Assange by people who seem to hate sex, and perhaps men. The problem seems to be that he had sex without a condom which is not wise and if done without the agreement of his sexual partner, would put her or him at risk of
    major sexual disease or lesser viruses, or pregnancy. The usual problems that have to be thought about when having sex. I think the complaint was about him feeling aroused while she was asleep, and having another time of intercourse with her without her specific approval, and that this was done without condom
    protection.

    Now that does not constitute rape to a reasoned individual. I don’t know what is written into Swedish law, or other countries’ law. There is an anti-male attitude from a significant vociferous group in society that inflates every matter that relates to male-female interaction.
    • te reo putake 29.1

      17 April 2019 at 10:32 am

      That constitutes rape here in NZ, GWS. And most countries, I would have hoped.
      • marty mars 29.1.1

        17 April 2019 at 10:33 pm

        yep – it’s pretty basic consent issue – if no consent then rape – simple.
    • The Al1en 29.2

      17 April 2019 at 10:43 am

      “I think the complaint was about him feeling aroused while she was asleep, and having another time of intercourse with her without her specific approval, and that this was done without condom
      protection.

      Now that does not constitute rape to a reasoned individual.”

      Isn’t sex without consent the absolute definition of rape?
      • francesca 29.2.1

        17 April 2019 at 3:11 pm

        Right then, I expect an Interpol Red Notice to be slapped on a large portion of the population, including my partner of many years.
        And no taking advantage of a man’s early morning erection either without a rigorous Q&;A session
        My God! I’m the victim of rape!
        And I’ve raped my partner!
        • The Al1en 29.2.1.1

          17 April 2019 at 3:16 pm

          He wrote “and having another time of intercourse with her without her specific approval, and that this was done without condom”

          Without consent is rape. Nothing to do with morning glory.
          What bit aren’t you getting?
          • francesca 29.2.1.1.1

            17 April 2019 at 4:31 pm

            sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
            i didnt ask my partners permission before straddling him
            thats rape
            I assumed he wouldnt mind
            tsk tsk
            to the dungeons with me.
            • The Al1en 29.2.1.1.1.1

              17 April 2019 at 4:38 pm

              If assange had intercourse “without her specific approval” and your defence is so cut and dried, he won’t have any problem fronting up and putting it to a jury in Sweden, will he. Right?
              • mauī …

                17 April 2019 at 5:25 pm

                This would be a made up jury right? Because we’re still at the investigation stage or failed investigation stage for the second time.
              • francesca …

                17 April 2019 at 9:57 pm

                No jury in Sweden Alien
                • The Al1en …

                  17 April 2019 at 10:06 pm

                  In front of a judge in the third ranked for free and fair judiciaries then.
                  You only wouldn’t go if you knew you were going to lose.

                  Maybe he could arrange to get on Jeremy Kyle and do a lie detector… While he’s still in the UK that is.
                  • One Two …

                    17 April 2019 at 11:01 pm

                    What are you covering up for by pushing so hard…

                    Something personal perhaps?
                    • McFlock …

                      17 April 2019 at 11:20 pm

                      If it’s not personal for you, you’ve never been trusted enough by someone for them to confide in you. Because everyone knows someone who has been sexually assaulted.
                    • One Two []

                      18 April 2019 at 9:13 am

                      And by your rationalè, how do the assange allegations make it personal to your experiences…?

                      As you say ‘everyone’ knows someone…

                      What is it about your experience which allows you to personalise alleged events abroad?

                      Are you unable to separate situations in a rational way?

                      Relatable does not equate to personal…

                      Unless you’ve got some other issues you’d like to table…

                      You guys push too hard…
                    • The Al1en …

                      18 April 2019 at 9:23 am

                      The false narrative is strong in this one.

                      How about you tell me what you think I’m covering up.
                    • One Two []

                      18 April 2019 at 10:17 am

                      Your comments and tactics, are, at best…flimsy…

                      Calling them out is straight forward enough…just like recognizing your ‘style’…

                      Why you’re pushing so hard, (and you are pushing hard)…is your business…

                      Find yourself an easier target…
                    • The Al1en …

                      18 April 2019 at 12:33 pm

                      You asked what I’m covering up, then stated something personal with a question mark. That’s setting a narrative, false, as it happens.

                      No surprise you duck out of answering when challenged to say exactly what you’re alluding to, before throwing a you’re not worthy in to piece, pretending you’re too clever to mess with.

                      And you say predictable style lol
                    • One Two []

                      18 April 2019 at 1:21 pm

                      No. That’s your confusion tying yourself into little knots…

                      I said, you’re pushing too hard…and you still are…

                      There is a reason for your type of behaviour…there always is…whatever it is…

                      I do not need to speculate on the reason…if you’re as clever as you reckon…you’ll understand why that is…

                      Hint. It’s not false narrative…nothing to do with it what so ever…
                    • McFlock …

                      18 April 2019 at 12:33 pm

                      1-2, what enables me to personalise events abroad is a combination of a rational recognition that we are a global community which has common themes spread throughout which enable those events to happen (so the rape denialism in this thread uses the same tropes that local rapists use, often successfully, to avoid accountability for their actions), and basic empathy.

                      You rape-enabling shit-heel.
                    • One Two []

                      18 April 2019 at 1:10 pm

                      You rape-enabling shit-heel

                      You’ve perfectly illustrated the severity of problem you have with objectivity…

                      That is…you don’t have any…and that is a problem…for you…

                      Seems you don’t recognise it…

                      As a result of your extreme predjudice…and it is extreme (your ignorant abuse) it comes out as an extreme negative…

                      So negative…it was likely you were able to be as effective to your friend as the sensitivity of the circumstances would have required…

                      Absolutely…the lack of objectivity indicates you should never again assist in such circumstances…even if asked…it is beyond you at this stage of your journey…

                      Why…Because the extreme predjudice…through your graphic insult on this subject indicates a lack of inadequacy for handling and managing such serious issues…
                    • RedLogix …

                      18 April 2019 at 1:22 pm

                      @McFlock

                      You rape-enabling shit-heel

                      That’s well over the line McF. I argued hard and at some considerable cost to entrust regulars with more responsibility to self-moderate.

                      Because inevitably if we can’t do it for ourselves, it gets imposed on us.
                    • McFlock …

                      18 April 2019 at 1:24 pm

                      So negative…it was likely you were able to be as effective to your friend as the sensitivity of the circumstances would have required…

                      She wasn’t a rape-enabling shit-heel.

                      But thanks for illustrating exactly why nobody has confided in you that they were sexually assaulted.

                      edit at RL: just saw your comment. If that’s a mod note, feel free to edit it out in bold with your magic powers. But the 1-2 and so on are using the exact, exact lines to discredit sexual assault survivors that are used every day in NZ and around the world: the women are lying, it wasn’t all that serious, the cops have it in for him, etc etc etc. Those arguments literally enable rapists to avoid prosecution. And “shit-heel” is pretty mellow, imo
                    • One Two []

                      18 April 2019 at 2:04 pm

                      But thanks for illustrating exactly why nobody has confided in you that they were sexually assaulted.

                      Why on earth would you draw such a conclusion…

                      Rhetorical…your extreme lack of objectivity and predjudice lands you there…

                      Again…it’s a fundamental flaw in your…persona…
                    • RedLogix …

                      18 April 2019 at 1:48 pm

                      @McF

                      There is no point in me arguing to trust people to self-moderate if I then stepped in and did it for them. Is there?
                    • McFlock …

                      18 April 2019 at 1:54 pm

                      Well you reckon it was well over the line, and I reckon it was pretty damned accurate, so in that case self-moderating would be to leave it as-is.
                    • The Al1en …

                      18 April 2019 at 2:13 pm

                      The only knots are in your logic, 12.

                      Again, you’ve stated I’m pushing to hard to cover up for a personal reason – that is the setting of the false narrative. That is the story you want told, otherwise you have no attack vehicle to drive.

                      You’re playing games, getting personal, nasty and aggressive rather than debate, that is very clear.

                      My point about Assange was made in my first post in this thread. What was yours?
                    • RedLogix …

                      18 April 2019 at 2:46 pm

                      @McF

                      OK so no expectation of being responsible for your own behaviour and engages in self justification for his own abuse.

                      Interesting.
                    • marty mars …

                      18 April 2019 at 3:18 pm

                      Actually red you are the one making the issue. If you want to mod do it (i’d prefer it because it stops ambiguity and people doing stuff they later regret) , if not what are you up to? Picking a fight? I have been following the thread and one two was very very out of line in the comment before mcflock – quite disgusting in what he said – why aren’t you asking him to tone it down?
                    • One Two []

                      18 April 2019 at 3:26 pm

                      I have been following the thread and one two was very very out of line in the comment before mcflock –

                      quite disgusting in what he said – why aren’t you asking him to tone it down?

                      Really…how so…IYO…

                      [I’m thinking it’s probably time this conversation came to an end as it’s getting pretty circular and doesn’t appear to be adding much of value to the wider discussion. I trust you guys are OK with moving on without having to require any further intervention? TRP]
            • One Two 29.2.1.1.1.2

              17 April 2019 at 4:54 pm

              Seems you’re discussing this subject with guys…who possibly have something they’re covering up for…

              Or who live their life…online…virtually…if you know what I mean…

              They seem obsessed…desperately so…
        • McFlock 29.2.1.2

          17 April 2019 at 3:16 pm

          Q&A isn’t applicable, because the other party can change their mind at any time.

          Basically, if you can’t be sure the person is in favour of it, don’t do it to them.

          If you’re so socially inadequate that you can’t be sure anyone wants anything done to them, don’t bloody do anything to them.
    • Morrissey 29.3

      17 April 2019 at 3:25 pm

      A lot of viputeration about Assange by people who seem to hate sex, and perhaps men.

      Not exactly, Shark. They hate Assange because he is a dangerous truth-teller. The bizarre—and totally discredited—sexual fantasy dreamed up by some U.S. (or quite likely some U.K.) intelligence agent is just a ruse.

      A few centuries ago, the likes of McFlock would have diligently been rehashing the line that Assange was a dastardly Papist, or a warlock, or a Jew.
      • McFlock 29.3.1

        17 April 2019 at 3:30 pm

        And today, you personally are part of the reason most rapists are never held accountable for their abuses.

        You are literally assisting every and any rapist whose only defense is that their victim (male or female) lied.
        • Morrissey 29.3.1.1

          17 April 2019 at 3:37 pm

          The liars here are the spies and government ministers conspiring to destroy Assange by any means possible.

          As you know perfectly well, the women involved in this case made it clear very soon after the bogus charges were laid that they were just that: bogus. All the opportunistic politicians in the rotten state of Sweden—-and Elisabeth Massi Fritz is a cynical opportunist if ever there was one—can’t change that awkward fact.
          • McFlock 29.3.1.1.1

            17 April 2019 at 3:49 pm

            I suggest you write to the Swedish equivalent of the Law society and get her disbarred for such malpractise. Be sure to include all your evidence for your position – I don’t know what Swedish defamation laws are like.
            • Morrissey 29.3.1.1.1.1

              17 April 2019 at 3:53 pm

              You forgot your helpful little /sarc tag.

              Being a shallow opportunist is no crime. Perjury is, of course, but state prosecutors and spies are immune.
              • McFlock …

                17 April 2019 at 4:00 pm

                Actually, any law society would be very interested in any member who is acting against the wishes of their client, or misrepresenting whether or not someone is their client. Practising certificates would be on the line.

                Do it. If you have anything other than your fantasies as supporting evidence, it’s your civic duty to get a fraudulent lawyer disbarred.
                • Morrissey …

                  17 April 2019 at 4:06 pm

                  Ha! Someone who doggedly repeats the maddest accusations concocted by spies and government flunkies has just accused this writer (i.e., moi) of indulging in fantasies.

                  https://i0.wp.com/bobcesca.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/cant-tell-if-serious.jpg
                  • McFlock …

                    17 April 2019 at 4:10 pm

                    Nah, that’s not supporting evidence for your claim, mos.

                    Is Fritz correctly identifying her client, and expressing her client’s wishes accurately?

                    If yes, the charges aren’t bogus.
                    If no, present your evidence to whomever Swedish lawyers get their professional certification from.

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