Canada and the TPP

Written By: - Date published: 7:06 am, October 21st, 2015 - 19 comments
Categories: Globalisation, International, leadership, trade - Tags: , , ,

From NZ’s point of view one of the interesting issues arising from the Liberals’ victory in Canada is whether that country will now drop out of the TPP. (This was discussed in comments following yesterday’s post, but I think it bears a bit more examination). What has Liberal leader Justin Trudeau said about the TPP?

October 4th:

A new Liberal government would take a long look at any trade deal signed by the Tories before deciding whether to uphold it, party leader Justin Trudeau said Sunday.

“We will of course evaluate and look at what’s in the deal,” he said in Brampton after a boisterous and crowded rally with dozens of Ontario candidates. “The problem is that (Prime Minister Stephen Harper) has been secretive and non-transparent in this and we need to make sure that we’re actually creating a trade deal that is good for Canadians.”

A major statement on October 5th:

“The Liberal Party of Canada strongly supports free trade, as this is how we open markets to Canadian goods and services, grow Canadian businesses, create good-paying jobs, and provide choice and lower prices to Canadian consumers.

“The Trans-Pacific Partnership stands to remove trade barriers, widely expand free trade for Canada, and increase opportunities for our middle class and those working hard to join it. Liberals will take a responsible approach to thoroughly examining the Trans-Pacific Partnership. The Harper Conservatives have failed to be transparent through the entirety of the negotiations – especially in regards to what Canada is conceding in order to be accepted into this partnership.

“The government has an obligation to be open and honest about the negotiation process, and immediately share all the details of any agreement. Canadians deserve to know what impacts this agreement will have on different industries across our country. The federal government must keep its word and defend Canadian interests during the TPP’s ratification process – which includes defending supply management, our auto sector, and Canadian manufacturers across the country.

“If the Liberal Party of Canada earns the honour of forming a government after October 19th, we will hold a full and open public debate in Parliament to ensure Canadians are consulted on this historic trade agreement.”

October 6th:

Liberal leader Justin Trudeau says he would consult both Parliament and the provincial premiers before ratifying the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal.

October 7th:

Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau will not allow his MPs a free vote on the massive Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement.

Another statement on October 19th:

“The Liberal Party of Canada strongly supports free trade, as this is how we open markets to Canadian goods and services, grow Canadian businesses, create good-paying jobs, and provide choice and lower prices to Canadian consumers,” said the Liberals in a statement released within hours of the announcement of the deal. “The Trans-Pacific Partnership stands to remove trade barriers, widely expand free trade for Canada, and increase opportunities for our middle class and those working hard to join it.”

Summing up, Trudeau has been critical of the secrecy surrounding the TPP, he is committed to consulting widely on it, and he has strongly stated his party’s commitment to free trade. Some see this as casting doubts on the TPP, but I don’t have that reading. I think it’s pretty clear that Trudeau and The Liberals are going to support it. There is one big variable left, however, and that is the farmers:

Canadian farmers plan to lobby any new prime minister to reverse TPP deal

Canadian farmers have vowed to pressure a new government to abandon the Trans Pacific Partnership trade agreement, because it will remove protection for dairy farmers.

National Farmers’ Union president Jan Slomp said the Canada’s dairy industry could disappear in 10 years without protection, with Quebec dairy farmers worst affected.

“We will revisit the TPP under any new government and say it is achieved under false pretences, and also the Liberal Party has spent significant amount of time stating support for supply management,” Mr Slomp said.

“The one thing coming to our rescue hopefully is the province of Quebec, which fervently supports supply management. “Their agriculture sector depends on it more than any other province,” he said.

“Assuming we get a Liberal Government, (they will be pressured) to somehow back-peddle on this secretly derived TPP agreement.” …

With his big election win Trudeau can afford to ignore the farmers and press ahead with the agreement. But – conservatives in rural seats just got massacred. Farmers are angry. If Trudeau decided to work with farmers and scrap the TPP, he could lock in their newly mobile support, and give the Liberals a very broad base. The temptation to set themselves up as the “natural party of government” for the foreseeable future could be a strong one!

19 comments on “Canada and the TPP”

  1. Disabled Liberation Aotearoa NZ DLANZ 1

    Thanks for this very informative item. It appears the same with NZ Labor Party comments, though ‘the slide’ of Trudeau’s statements is so transparent, one could call it a 2 way mirror,

    DLANZ Disabled have shared the same concerns about the secrecy of the Trans-Pacific Partnership and still do today. It seems one should recall an old Maori proverb ”He kuku ki te kaianga…He kaka ki te Ngahere”….means..as a cooing dove at home, so is a parrot in a forest… say one thing first and say something else, somewhere else (paraphrase). Disabled, Maori, Workers etc have all seen this before.

    Regards and keep smiling
    Doug Hay
    DLANZ Cordinator

  2. Ross 2

    I suspect Canada will ratify the TPP, just as Labour would here.

    The new Canadian PM is a big supporter of free trade. I am not a fan of Tim Groser but I agree with him that it’s inconceivable that Canada will pull the plug on TPP.

  3. Chooky 3

    lets hope Trudeau educates Canadians on what their former government signed them up for in secrecy… and pulls the Canadians out

    ‘Trans-Pacific Partnership? Never heard of it, Canadians tell pollster’

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trans-pacific-partnership-never-heard-of-it-canadians-tell-pollster-1.3116770

    • AmaKiwi 3.1

      A referendum would be the safe way for Trudeau to handle TPPA .

      “It is the people’s decision. It was the people’s decision to join or to reject TPPA. Don’t blame us.”

  4. dukeofurl 4

    A bit away from the topic, but Trudeau has indicated Canada will pull out from bombing campaign against ISIS in Syria.

    That wont go down well with US, and will be an insight about others who ‘want to go home’ in the future (like NZ).

  5. Steve 5

    *crickets chirping

  6. linda 6

    One positive. The new canadian government. Is leak the text. We able see. The john key lies

  7. One Two 7

    Talk is cheap….

  8. NZJester 8

    I think the so called middle ground in politics these days is a lie. That ground is actually right of center.
    The right have moved a lot more right so that the so called middle ground are mostly those with right leaning tenancies.
    Left leaning parties trying to pick up those so called middle ground people have been a boom for the right as they have disenfranchised a lot of left leaning voters by moving to the right. They feel that the former left parties had moved to right of center while trying to get those so called middle voters. The middle left felt betrayed but did not want to give their vote to the extreme left like the greens. The people the parties are picking up by moving back to the left are not the ones from the extreme left but the old traditional left wing voters who felt left out.
    Look at what has happened in places that political parties on the left have shifted back to their traditional left policies. Rather than loosing votes the numbers have actually grown.

  9. Nick 9

    Why are you so excited over the prospect of a newly elected left wing government getting into bed with highly subsidized dairy farmers? Canada’s supply management of dairy products is terrible policy whether you’re left or right.

    • AmaKiwi 9.1

      Nick: “Canada’s supply management of dairy products is terrible policy”

      No it isn’t. It’s a values choice. If the people of Canada are prepared to pay to protect certain types of land use and lifestyles, that is their choice. Many European countries do the same to maintain a rural atmosphere and links to their agrarian heritage.

      If you’re only concerned with profits, yes, Canada’s dairy supply management scheme is expensive. But by that standard we should sell off all our parks.

      A country’s future need not be entirely about making money.

      Excuse me now. I am off to the beach before a multi-national hotel chain buys it.

    • One Two 9.2

      A “terrible policy” for which you provide no qualification of your assessment

      An explanation could be entertaining, so go right ahead

    • Pat 9.3

      left wing???…compared to what?

  10. esoteric pineapples 10

    One of Canada’s leading independent news websites

    http://rabble.ca/

  11. joe90 11

    Meet the new boss, [almost] same as the old boss.

    Justin Trudeau is going to feel good, for a while, compared to Harper. He will be better. He will repeal some of Harper’s worst policies. He will also not be an offensive creep, and that matters.

    But he is, at the end of the day, a believer in the neo-liberal consensus. He will run a kinder neoliberalism, but it will still be neoliberalism. He is not particularly committed to civil liberties, he was not principled opposition to Harper’s worst excesses (that was Mulcair), and there is no particular reason to believe he will make any sort of radical break from Conservative policies: he voted for a great many of them.

    The bottom line is this: Justin showed his character when he supported C51. Mulcair showed his character when went hard against it with polls showing a majority of Canadians for it (they later changed their mind, but he did what he did when it was unpopular).

    I cannot find any great confidence in Trudeau, either as an ethical man, or as an economic leader.

    http://www.ianwelsh.net/consequences-of-the-canadian-liberal-majority/

  12. Jan Rivers 12

    The Harper government actually changed the advice to politicians and public servants to allow them to continue to work as if there was no election period including negotiating the TPPA (aside from formal ratification), http://www.michaelgeist.ca/2015/08/canadian-government-amends-caretaker-rules-to-give-itself-power-to-continue-negotiating-tpp/

    As I understand this is a pretty dangerous change to a Westminster system convention that governments are in a caretaker role during the election campaign. It’s not possible to legislate for this arrangement of course so it has to be an issue of honour and restraint and the Harper government’s decision to continue to negotiate ‘as if there was no election campaign underway’ was pretty despicable.

    The new government has a clear mandate to roll back from what has happened over the last months to demonstrate good process and a more honourable, democratic approach to their governance. In this respect perhaps the final decisions – milk, cars, biologics for example were dealt away while the government had no real mandate might reasonably be open to renegotiation. In doing so the new government would have the opportunity to differentiate itself from the previous administration and as well as to seek a better deal.

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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    1 week ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago

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