Conservative, honky males in suits

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1. Richard Rawshark 1

   31 October 2016 at 12:36 pm

   If you were a woman, extreeeeemly lazy, and wanted a free ride to the taxpayer trough, joining National would be very attractive, as long as you could..

   A Stand the Company
   B Not concerned with throwing what little principles you have away.

   Or perhaps it’s actually right there are not many women in National, There are far less psychopaths of the female gender..strangely that’s true. So less are wanting to join in the first place..

   Perhaps the issue is not a lack of woman in National but that women are less callous and heartless!
   • Cinny 1.1

     2 November 2016 at 8:03 am

     I know one of those…. List MP Maureen Pugh
2. Ad 2

   31 October 2016 at 12:45 pm

   Why is this post only evaluating National female MPs?

   Key has the luxury of another very well forecast reshuffle.
   Would be far better to broaden the evaluative lens and explain whether the gender balance will be any better at Labour, Greens, NZFirst, or Maori Party any time soon.
   • Natwatch 2.1

     31 October 2016 at 8:20 pm

     Because it is based on a media piece only evaluating National female MPs.
   • corokia 2.2

     31 October 2016 at 10:07 pm

     NZ First- well you could have a look at this

     http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/09/03/embedded-at-the-new-zealand-first-convention-part-1-the-board-is-set-the-pieces-are-moving/

     where Curwen Ares Rolinson is congratulating their party on “The lowering of age demographics and increasing of diversity”

     Its a photo of 14 men!

     (All the best to the women in NZ First, but one of your cheerleaders doesn’t seem to have noticed the irony in trumpeting increased diversity illustrated by an all male photo)
   • Matthew Whitehead 2.3

     2 November 2016 at 8:48 am

     LOL “if the gender balance will be any better at… Greens… any time soon”

     You realise the Greens have a list that alternates based on gender, right? So they policy is that they are, at most, 1 off from being 50/50. They also want to balance any participation they have in future cabinets by gender, too. The Māori party, coincidentally, (as opposed to by design…) also has a 50/50 gender balance.

     Labour made moves to adjust for gender balance a while back, (iirc in 2013?) but it was immediately mocked as a “man ban” by hostile media. I can’t exactly blame them for not returning to the topic sooner. They’re not doing badly on this front, but neither are they doing well – with 10/32 female MPs last I checked, they have a caucus that is about 31% female, which is the average over parliament as a whole. The sooner they can find a way to address this without setting off a testosterone-fueled media hysteria, the better, but at least they’ve been talking about the issue.

     It’s the conservative parties, like NZ First and National, that really need to evaluate their bias on this issue. National has a caucus that is 27% female, and NZ First is even worse, with one quarter of their MPs being women.
3. esoteric pineapples 3

   31 October 2016 at 12:46 pm

   Most powerful people in this government ie those who don’t have to answer to someone else – John Key, Bill English, Steven Joyce, Gerry Brownlee. All white males. The only woman in National who has some independence from these white males is Judith Collins.
4. Macro 4

   31 October 2016 at 1:43 pm

   Regrettably this old white male problem is not simply confined to our Parliament. If one were to research the recently elected local governments one would also find that we are governed locally by white greybeards. Of the 10 councillors on our local council 7 are male superannuates and over the age of 70. There are 2 women (the mayor Sandra Goudie Retired National MP 🙄 ) and one woman councillor. The remaining male is in his 50’s.
   http://fairfaxmedia.newspaperdirect.com/epaper/viewer.aspx
   How can these people be said to be representative of any community?
5. whateva next? 5

   31 October 2016 at 2:01 pm

   It’s come down to the same issue as the US dilemma, would we rather a woman corrupted by power, or a male corrupted by power?
6. Mike Steinberg 6

   31 October 2016 at 3:50 pm

   This kind of shallow focus on a candidates race or gender is abhorrent. It also seems to have lead to the bizarre outcome in Hutt South where a local with strong support has missed out apparently because of his gender?
   • corokia 6.1

     31 October 2016 at 9:44 pm

     Where is the evidence that his gender is the reason he has not been selected?
     • Lara 6.1.1

       1 November 2016 at 8:55 am

       Conveniently ignoring all the instances where women are overlooked and not selected because they’re women.

       But then, we keep being told that never happens. Or rarely happens. Women just don’t put their hands up, don’t want to be selected or just aren’t as good as men.

       That’s why all these areas of power in NZ are dominated by men. Apparently.
7. Bob 7

   31 October 2016 at 4:31 pm

   “As a government National is no friend to women, shutting down the Pay and Employment Equity Unit in 2009, ignoring a steadily growing gender pay gap”
   Citation?
   According to the OECD figures, the gender pay gap has continued to decrease since 2009 from 8.76% down to 6.08% last year (this compares to 15.4% in Australia) and since 2010 under this government has consistently been at it’s lowest levels on record.
   https://data.oecd.org/earnwage/gender-wage-gap.htm

   Edit: added Australian figures in as comparison
   • Natwatch 7.1

     31 October 2016 at 8:19 pm

     You could start with the annual media reports referenced in the first paragraph here:

     https://thestandard.org.nz/how-to-improve-pay-gender-equality/
     • Bob 7.1.1

       1 November 2016 at 9:14 am

       Ah, ignore the OECD reports, listen to The Herald, that bastion of reporting, they would never sway the figures to make a headline…

       Put it this way, the way The Herald reports the numbers I earn more than my wife, by the way the OECD reports the numbers my wife earns more than me.
       The difference being, my wife has cut back her hours since we had a child, her hourly rate is still higher than mine, but now that she is working less hours (our choice so she can enjoy this important time in our daughters life) apparently the gender wage gap has widened…
8. Muttonbird 8

   31 October 2016 at 8:47 pm

   Chris Trotter wants to keep it white and male.

   http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/10/31/forgotten-lessons-has-labour-just-chosen-to-lose-hutt-south/
   • corokia 8.1

     31 October 2016 at 9:57 pm

     There is a lot in that Trotter piece that feels SO wrong. I’m middle class, I guess, so I don’t feel I can speak for working class women but I found it quite offensive that Trotter said….

     “Always assuming that those working-class women wanted their consciousness raised, which, by-and-large they didn’t.”

     How the hell would he know??
     • Muttonbird 8.1.1

       31 October 2016 at 10:14 pm

       Agreed. I said this in the comments, “Those Dunedin matrons weren’t suspicious of your vowels, they were contemptuous of your superior attitude, which hasn’t dimmed one candela to this day.”
     • Galeandra 8.1.2

       31 October 2016 at 11:18 pm

       Cause he said they told him on their doorsteps?
   • pat 8.2

     31 October 2016 at 10:24 pm

     Chris Trotter could well be displaying the three P’s…..pomposity, patronising and prophetic
     • Corokia 8.2.1

       31 October 2016 at 11:28 pm

       You are taking the piss aren’t you Galeandra? As if Trotter discussed feminism with those women back then.
9. The Real Matthew 9

   2 November 2016 at 10:17 am

   Nothing like throwing a racist term in a headline to galvanise the left

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