Daily review 31/03/2023

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  2. weka 2
    31 March 2023 at 8:27 pm

    What gender critical feminists are talking about today. Police make a statement warning the public about a violent criminal at large in Auckland, reporting they are a women and neglecting to tell the public they are a trans woman ie male. Most of the MSM I looked at also reported a woman being sought (NZH was the exception).

    https://twitter.com/wekatweets/status/1641703054516027393

    • Red Blooded One 2.1
      31 March 2023 at 8:41 pm

      For those of us not on Twitter can you supply where it is reported as fact this person is Trans. (Other than a twitter thread)

        • Red Blooded One 2.1.1.1
          31 March 2023 at 8:59 pm

          Thank you. Would have been nice if that link had been supplied first.

      • weka 2.1.2
        31 March 2023 at 8:57 pm

        Joe linked below.

        I mentioned at the bottom of my comment that NZH has covered it,

        “From an early age you identified gender dystonic feelings. You began dressing as a female at around age 12, which led to bullying at school.

        “When you left school at 16, you began to associate with transvestite prostitutes and commenced work in the sex industry…”

        • Red Blooded One 2.1.2.1
          31 March 2023 at 9:00 pm

          Then you should've linked to it. You’re the first to ban people for not linking.

          • weka 2.1.2.1.1
            31 March 2023 at 9:12 pm

            let me explain the rules, because you appear not to understand them.

            If you quote, you always have to link.

            If you don't quote, but refer to current affairs, or make a claim of fact, you may be asked to provide a link. If you are asked by an author or mod, then you pretty much have to provide evidence for what you are saying, but sometimes we just ask because it will make the conversation flow better.

            In this case, my point was partly that the MSM weren't reporting the person is a TW apart from the NZH. A very easy search, not a big drama. When people make claims that are controversial and not easy to parse and back up, the onus is on the person making the claim.

            You asked for evidence, which was entirely reasonable, I would have provided a link if Joe hadn't.

            Please don't tell authors/mods what to do.

            • Red Blooded One 2.1.2.1.1.1
              31 March 2023 at 9:20 pm

              Yes dear.

              • weka …
                31 March 2023 at 9:30 pm

                I'll take it from that that you don't accept the rules or moderation here. Take a day off. Trolling mods and disrespecting moderation is one of the easier bans.

                • The Al1en …
                  31 March 2023 at 10:07 pm

                  Respect

                  noun

                  a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.

                  verb

                  admire (someone or something) deeply, as a result of their abilities, qualities, or achievements.

                  0 for fucking 0, love.
                  Keep on swinging and missing. Big swing, bigger miss. lol

    • Anker 2.2
      31 March 2023 at 11:34 pm

      I wonder what the general public who saw women being assaulted, threatened and harrassed at Albert Park for wanting to say it is not possible to change your sex and women don't have penises ,will think when they read this article about a dangerous criminal who identifies as a woman, but is a man?

      This is a man. A male offender.

      Is he part of Marama Davidson wonderful trans family????

      • The Al1en 2.2.1
        31 March 2023 at 11:43 pm

        All dangerous, criminal, female killers of children, none of them trans, none with a cock and balls.
        Plenty more on google.

        Rose West.

        Mary Bell.

        Sharon Carr.

        Marybeth Tinning.

        Susan Smith.

        Diane Staudte.

        Amber Pasztor.

        Diane Downs.

        Andrea Yates.

        Christy Sheats.

        Megan Huntsman.

        Carola Arnau.

        Jessica Edens.

        Sarah Lynn Kreuger.

        Sarah Lynn Kreuger.

    • Shanreagh 2.3
      1 April 2023 at 9:01 am

      I saw this person and my spidey senses immediately told me it was a male dressed in women's clothes.

      Other people may be taken in.

      I raised with TV but have had no response yet.

      NZ Corrections is able to make policy that transwomen are able to be housed away from women as part of their prison management policies

      https://www.corrections.govt.nz/resources/policy_and_legislation/Prison-Operations-Manual/Induction/I.10-Management-of-transgender-prisoners

      How long these sensible measures will be allowed after 15/6/23 is anyone's guess. I am sure that the trans community will unnecessarily tie up the service by trying to argue against sensible policies that protect women against transwomen. These policies also keep transwomen safe.

      • Francesca 2.3.1
        1 April 2023 at 9:12 am

        Another Nicola Sturgeon moment coming?

        • Shanreagh 2.3.1.1
          1 April 2023 at 9:18 am

          I am not sure.

          NZ Corrections are very sensible on this and have been careful to house violent transwomen away from women. But I think the potential exists for all sorts of organisation harassing to take place.

          But if commonsense flies out the window…who knows.

  4. pat 4
    31 March 2023 at 9:23 pm

    Brian Easton speaking sense (again) after a lifetime of research.

    "It is no secret that I am a supporter of the liberal welfare state with its objective of enabling everyone to be able to participate in and belong to their society. What is often overlooked is that assumes our sort of society is founded on the functioning family. Children in poorly functioning families are likely to become adults who are less healthy, more prone to crime, have poorer work productivity, and more likely to be parents in dysfunctional families themselves. There are many causes of dysfunctionality, but we may be confident that poverty is a contributor adding to the pressures and that improvements in income will often improve performance. Thus the Richardson-Shipley redesign undermined many families with ongoing consequences for the education and training, the healthcare and justice systems, and for the overall wellbeing of the community, their children and the future.

    Noticeably in the recent public wrangle over the education curriculum no attention has been given to the central role of families in a child’s education. Rather, we once more looked for short-term bandages in the education system for long-term problems among families."

    But…

    "I doubt that Labour understood this implication of what it was proposing. In the thirty years, the political economy has changed, with the rich using their financial power to shape the public conversation. The rich could not stop the aspirations of child poverty reduction being legislated, but they have limited the ability to really reduce child poverty because it would involve higher tax rates and their paying more tax."

    The solution (or improvement) may not be simple but it is evident.

  5. SPC 5
    1 April 2023 at 1:01 am

    In Oz a woman has been forced to leave a surf club because she would not shower in her swim suit, nor unclothe or put on clothes while covered in a towel.

    Apparently there is a natural fear of naked older women among girls, or it’s taught to them by their parents.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-65133860

    • Roy Cartland 5.1
      1 April 2023 at 5:26 am

      Witches? Crones? Hags?

    • Shanreagh 5.2
      1 April 2023 at 8:48 am

      I think if you bothered to do any research this type of ruling has been part of a way to meet the incursion of fully intact males into women's spaces you know the 'transwomen are real women' crowd

      Everyone has to cover up.

      Blame the new system.

      Blame the despots (making rules for what is said to be .005% of the population feels pretty despotic to me) and the No Debate/self ID crowd.

      • SPC 5.2.1
        1 April 2023 at 9:06 am

        Really. Is it required here? Why is it a story to the BBC, if it's common in the UK too?

      • The Al1en 5.2.2
        1 April 2023 at 9:09 am

        this type of ruling has been part of a way to meet the incursion of fully intact males into women's spaces

        I'd like to see you provide information to support that claim in direct relation to the linked instance, because in the news piece it says it was female on female complaints.

        “We’re aware the facilities are inadequate,” he told the BBC. “But [the club] received complaints from some junior members about being intimidated and uncomfortable.”

    • Molly 5.3
      1 April 2023 at 9:02 am

      "Apparently there is a natural fear of naked older women among girls, or it’s taught to them by their parents."

      Why "natural"? Surely "unjustified" is more accurate?

      Also why do you think its natural – or taught to them by their parents?

      Have you considered that this new policy may be a ham-fisted and clumsy attempt to avoid having naked men with identities in a room with naked children?

      The No Nudity policy may be an attempt to comply with pressure to allow men into female-sex spaces, and avoid what they see as the main issue – exhibitionism and voyeurism.

      Someone else may have the patience to work through NSW legislation, but I found it vague:

      http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/num_act/taoaaa1996n22541.pdf

      As for the reported "complaints from some junior members about being intimidated and uncomfortable.":

      1. Deal with intimidatory acts effectively – intimidation can occur while the aggressor is nude, so this is not effective;

      2. If their discomfort is to be witness to the results of time and gravity on a female body – well, too bad. The phrase: "Pull your wooly heads in" – comes to mind.

      Complaints are not the gold card, justifiable compliants are.

      • SPC 5.3.1
        1 April 2023 at 9:07 am

        Perhaps consider the importance of the word, or. Children do not make the complaints, the parents do.

        • Molly 5.3.1.1
          1 April 2023 at 9:36 am

          Once again:

          "Complaints are not the gold card, justifiable complaints are."

          • SPC 5.3.1.1.1
            1 April 2023 at 10:03 am

            No. It's either nature, or nurture.

            And under the rules of the clubs, any complaint is justified.

            But surely, only those who support those rules would make a complaint?

            • Molly 5.3.1.1.1.1
              1 April 2023 at 10:13 am

              I don't understand what you are saying.

              Any complaints should be welcomed and permitted. It then should undergo a process to see whether it is justified, and if it is, that determines what actions should be taken and when.

    • SPC 5.4
      1 April 2023 at 9:31 am

      It's apparently an initiative of surf life saving clubs on the NSW central coast to protect children from adult nudity.

      https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/terrigal-towel-dance-nudity-ban-in-central-coast-change-rooms-20230330-p5cww1.html

      • The Al1en 5.4.1
        1 April 2023 at 9:35 am

        Yep, and kiwi big pharma is going to make a killing on anti inflammatory knee jerk cream.

        SURF LIFE SAVING AUSTRALIA POLICY

        7.10 Change room arrangements

        e. ensure female identifying persons do not enter male change rooms, and male identifying persons do not enter female change rooms;

        • Molly 5.4.1.1
          1 April 2023 at 9:42 am

          "7.10 Change room arrangements

          e. ensure female identifying persons do not enter male change rooms, and male identifying persons do not enter female change rooms;"

          That reads as a removal of single-sex provision.

          Giving weight to the considerations Shanreagh and I put forward:

          I think if you bothered to do any research this type of ruling has been part of a way to meet the incursion of fully intact males into women's spaces you know the 'transwomen are real women' crowd

          Everyone has to cover up.

          Have you considered that this new policy may be a ham-fisted and clumsy attempt to avoid having naked men with identities in a room with naked children?

          The No Nudity policy may be an attempt to comply with pressure to allow men into female-sex spaces, and avoid what they see as the main issue – exhibitionism and voyeurism.

          • The Al1en 5.4.1.1.1
            1 April 2023 at 9:44 am

            It actually means trans people are already excluded from their preferred changing room, so the nudity ban isn't because of them.

            Again, it was female on female complaints over her nudity that made the person quit the club. Absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with chicks with dicks.

            • Molly 5.4.1.1.1.1
              1 April 2023 at 10:00 am

              "female identifying persons do not enter male change rooms".

              Not clear from your link.

              A clear directive would be:

              "female persons do not enter male change rooms".

              The inclusion of "identifying" makes this interpretation of "female identifying persons" possible:

              Females (who are assumed to identify as females if they haven't stated otherwise) AND males who identify as females.

              “Again, it was female on female complaints over her nudity that made the person quit the club. Absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with chicks with dicks.”

              That was the excuse given for the new directive. If true, then that complaint should have been dismissed.

              A question for you, The Al1en:

              Do you think that single-SEX provisions should be maintained in this situation?

              • The Al1en …
                1 April 2023 at 10:04 am

                The rule is perfectly clear as it is.

                ensure female identifying persons do not enter male change rooms, and male identifying persons do not enter female change rooms

                An honest debater would admit the person who quit the club did so after complaints from other females, and that it had absolutely fuck all to do with trans women or men.

                • Molly …
                  1 April 2023 at 10:10 am

                  You seem determined to just disagree. So, we can disagree on how clear that directive is.

                  But can you at least answer clearly, to the question you've ignored:

                  Do you think that single-SEX provisions should be maintained in this situation?

                  • The Al1en …
                    1 April 2023 at 10:13 am

                    I absolutely disagree with you, yes.

                    Are you an honest debater?

                    Will you admit, after reading the rules, the person who quit the club did so after complaints from other females, and that it had absolutely fuck all to do with trans women or men?

                    • Molly …
                      1 April 2023 at 10:24 am

                      No, my honesty ensures that I continue to say that I think its a case of when reality hits those that promote an ideology.

                      Parents of young girls who chant "TWAW", now have the possibility of having their daughters naked in a room with men.

                      Complaints may have been made as a workaround to facing the reality of their position.

                      The complaints – in a truly single-SEX changing room – are ridiculous.

                      But we have seen individuals, organisations, institutions, governments be ridiculous in their contortions to avoid accusations of transphobia, so I would neither claim that this is the truth, nor discard that possibility.

                      But can you at least answer clearly, to the question you've ignored:

                      Do you think that single-SEX provisions should be maintained in this situation?

                    • The Al1en …
                      1 April 2023 at 10:28 am

                      So that's a complete rejection of the facts in the case highlighted. I can't ever see that as a stable foundation for honest debate. At least you're consistent.

                      Yes/No

                    • Molly …
                      1 April 2023 at 10:38 am

                      @The Al1en

                      "So that's a complete rejection of the facts in the case highlighted."

                      No, it's not. It's a wider consideration of what might be occurring, given the limited facts available in the article. (And your link). It would be presumptive to make a definitive conclusion on such limited information.

                      "I can't ever see that as a stable foundation for honest debate. At least you're consistent."

                      Yes/No

                      I'm all good to leave it here. Anyone reading can consider both our points, and see who answers who without caveat or redirection.

                      Unless I have anything relevant to the article to add, I'll leave this thread to you. yes

                    • The Al1en …
                      1 April 2023 at 10:44 am

                      Of course you'll leave it there, despite the "limited facts" in the 23 page policy pdf containing "such limited information", you point in this case is irreconcilable with reality.

                      the person who quit the club did so after complaints from other females, and that it had absolutely fuck all to do with trans women or men

                      Yep, let's trust the honest readership to work out whose redirecting.

                    • Shanreagh …
                      1 April 2023 at 2:12 pm

                      But what is the objection to leaving out the word 'identifying' in the phrase that Molly instanced.

                      ‘A clear directive would be:

                      “female persons do not enter male change rooms”.”

                      and clearly vice versa
                      “male persons do not enter female change rooms”.”

                      Do you agree with adult males being allowed into female toilets, changing rooms etc?

                      Forget the Aussie case. Just answer the question.

                    • The Al1en …
                      1 April 2023 at 2:18 pm

                      Because self id is a thing protected by law from the 15/6/23 and "The inclusion of "identifying" makes this interpretation of "female identifying persons" possible" is already negated.

                    • Shanreagh …
                      1 April 2023 at 2:28 pm

                      Oh well The Allen we know you stand against women, women's rights and the issue of free speech for women.

                      By implication you must support the overriding of PP event by people exercising the thug's veto.

                      Is that correct?

                      And so you are happy to find your mother, sister or daughter in a toilet or changing room with an intact male and are happy that your mother, sister or daughter may face the possibility of not having fairness in their chosen sport.

                      These are the things that probably will happen come 15/6/23.

                      There is policy being developed I think around women’s sex based rights to safe spaces and presumably you wouldn’t support this?

                      Or would you?

                    • The Al1en …
                      1 April 2023 at 2:32 pm

                      It's my honest held opinion you know absolutely nothing about me but that's never stopped people making things up before.

                      Under The Al1en handle, I've posted my thoughts on the protest and counter all over the internet. You are most welcome to search for them.

                      Edit: Posted before your edit.

        • weka 5.4.1.2
          1 April 2023 at 10:06 am

          link for your quote please. This is a requirement for all copy and pastes.

    • joe90 5.5
      1 April 2023 at 9:54 am

      Fifty years ago I visited Sydney for the first time and despite the boozy lewdness, budgie smugglers, and the occasional topless bather, a tacit no nudity rule on beaches existed as an acknowledgement that pervs and rock spiders could and would be present. And a kicking was likely to be dished up to any male should they attempt to photograph someone they didn't know.

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