Extraordinary day at the DNC

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Quite a day for the Democrats and their convention in Philadelphia.

Hillary Clinton made history, being confirmed as the first woman candidate (from a major party) for president – congratulations to her.

Unfortunately for Clinton, however, too many chickens are coming home to roost. Sanders supporters, despite Bernie himself committing support to Clinton, staged a walk-out in protest over the tactics revealed in the DNC email dump and aspects of the convention process. Up to 1000 delegates left the convention, and took part in various protests – see the very active Twitter hashtag #DNCWalkOut – (which for some reason never made the “trending” list).

Protestors recently converged in FDR park and were given a rousing impromptu address by Green presidential candidate Jill Stein. She will be the main beneficiary of this chaos – along with Trump of course.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO41AStCYPM


https://twitter.com/Twitrauma/status/758126959767326720

https://twitter.com/sci_solar/status/758117863441825792

un feel the bern

69 comments on “Extraordinary day at the DNC ”

  1. te reo putake 1

    It’s coming together nicely. Bill Clinton spoke as only he can, and with the fair-weather democrats not in the hall, the lasting impression will be of laughter, joy and rapturous applause. A great day for Hillary Clinton personally and for the campaign generally.

  2. dukeofurl 2

    1/2 empty ?

    Even if 1000 Berners walked out, that only makes 21%. They never could count

    • adam 2.1

      So it official then, you guys are going to run with the continued put downs then?

      • Nic the NZer 2.1.1

        Oh no, that would be like just planning a run a negative campaign because there is so little positive to say about the candidate. Te Reo has been listing all of Hilary’s political assets, so far that is (as best I can glean)
        1) She’s a woman.
        2) Her husband is Bill Clinton.
        If that’s not sufficient for you to make up your mind then I don’t know what is…

    • Colonial Viper 2.2

      Even if 1000 Berners walked out, that only makes 21%. They never could count

      21% of the Democratic Party’s youngest, most energetic, most innovative organisers and most promising future party leaders from each and every state.

      It would be typical of a Thorndon Bubble type like you to shrug and say “they could never count”.

  3. The Lone Haranguer 3

    Im sure they will fill the hall with suitable attired Hillary lovers and they will look like a 100% singing from the same songsheet.

    I cant really see too many of the walkout crowd and their friends voting Trump, but I can see Dr Stein getting a lot more votes.

    As I understand the US system, if no candidate gets to 50% in the POTUS election, the Congress get to choose who will be POTUS and Im not sure they are restricted to those standing.

    Congress is controlled by the Republicans, so I wouldnt assume that given unbridled power, that they would automatically choose Trump.

    Exciting times for sure. And maybe dangerous one too.

  4. mac1 4

    Bernie Sanders’ speech for me was extraordinary. I took notes as I was so impressed with his vision and by the detail with which he outlined the common cause which he had with Hillary Clinton.

    These are the notes I took. I hope they may inspire similar policies here.

    “Points of action outlined by Bernie Sanders in his address to the DNC.

    The political revolution for economic, social, racial, environmental justice must continue in America.

    The 40 year decline of the middle class must be arrested.. What must change is the fact that 47 million US citizens live in poverty while 85% of new income goes to the top 1%.

    $10.45 cents an hour not enough. Wages are inadequate. A person working for 40 hr a week should not be living in poverty. The minimum wage must be raised to equal a living wage- more than $7.25 as it is now.

    Millions of new jobs to rebuild infrastructure are needed.

    The Citizens United Supreme Court decision allowing the wealthiest to threaten democracy in buying elections must be overturned. Justices will be elected to the Supreme Court to overturn this decision. The movement towards oligarchy must be ended.

    Women’s right to choose, workers’ rights ,LGBT rights, rights for minorities , immigrants and the environment must be enacted.

    Proposal to revolutionise higher education- guarantee children of family below $125,000 pa or less will go to public college or Uni free. 83% of the US population will benefit. Substantially reduce student debt.

    Environment change is needed. 100,000s jobs to be created, transforming the energy system.

    Work towards universal health care, reducing number of poorly insured or those uninsured. 55+ should be able to opt onto medicare. Millions are denied access to primary care, dental care lower cost prescriptions, health centres, mental counselling. This will change. The high cost of prescription drugs- highest prices in world- means 20 million unable to afford prescription drugs whilst companies make huge profits.

    Immigration reform. Broken criminal justice system reformed. For young, good school and good jobs- invest in jobs and education, not more cells to rot in.

    Diversity is one of the US’s greatest strengths- diversity is strength, standing together to create a country we all know that we can become. Realise that democracy is about different opinions, even within the Party.

    Break up Wall St financial institutions. Pass a new 21st Century Glass-Steagall Act.

    TPP trade killing agreements should not to be passed.”

    Not a bad blueprint for any left of centre party.

  5. Anne 5

    I’m not afraid to stick my neck out on this one.

    First, I concede I don’t know the details of these email leaks, but as far as I can gather -and in a nutshell – a very senior Democrat employee ( a woman I know that much) suggested a ‘dirty tricks’ campaign to discredit Bernie Sanders. We know all about Dirty Tricks campaigns but there’s one big difference. In NZ the perpetrators carried it out. In the US Democratic party, as far as I can see it didn’t happen. There was bias towards Hillary Clinton but did anyone imagine there wouldn’t be? There isn’t a major political party anywhere where the Party elite don’t have a preferred candidate in mind.

    I noted on the opening night that the vast majority of Bernie supporters were under the age of 25. I say to them it’s time they grew up and started thinking with their heads. Has there been any evidence that Hillary Clinton was a part of the suggested campaign and approved of it’s usage? Not as far as I can tell. As the actress said to the…..

    STOP BEING RIDICULOUS.

    • GregJ 5.1

      I think you may be underplaying it a little Anne.

      Here’s the Wikipedia summary of what has been revealed so far:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Committee_email_leak

      Wikileaks has indicated there is more to come.

      The essential point was the DNC was meant to be neutral with regards to the process and it clearly wasn’t. There appears to be systemic bias towards Clinton and attempts to influence media by smearing Sanders campaign and campaign personnel. No direct evidence of outright manipulation of the voting process in the Primaries & Caucuses but certainly obstruction and hinderance placed in the way of the Sanders campaign. It is certainly not a good look.

    • Lanthanide 5.2

      “a very senior Democrat employee ( a woman I know that much) suggested a ‘dirty tricks’ campaign to discredit Bernie Sanders.”

      She didn’t suggest it herself, actually. She wasn’t directly involved in it, but set up the culture where this was discussed.

    • Colonial Viper 5.3

      I noted on the opening night that the vast majority of Bernie supporters were under the age of 25. Has there been any evidence that Hillary Clinton was a part of the suggested campaign and approved of it’s usage? Not as far as I can tell. As the actress said to the…..STOP BEING RIDICULOUS.

      I cannot describe how annoyed I am at your statement Anne. OK, I admit you are a veteran political activist. But any 25 year old can tell when they are being royally screwed, and they don’t need you to provide cover for the a**holes doing the screwing.

      Clinton Rewards Wasserman Schultz’s Shady Behavior With a New Job

      DWS will continue to push the corrupt brand of politics she perfected as DNC chair.

      On July 22, Wikileaks released 20,000 DNC emails, exposing DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the DNC staff of sabotaging Bernie Sanders’ campaign. In the wake of the fallout, Wasserman Schultz formally resigned from her position as DNC chair, only to be replaced by another Clinton surrogate, DNC vice chair Donna Brazile.

      Rather than allowing Wasserman Schultz’s career to go down with her resignation, Clinton has awarded Wasserman Schultz a new role as honorary chair to the Clinton campaign’s 50-state program.

      “There’s simply no one better at taking the fight to Republicans than Debbie—which is why I am glad that she has agreed to serve as honorary chair of my campaign’s 50-state program to gain ground and elect democrats in every part of the country, and will continue to serve as a surrogate for my campaign nationally, in Florida, and other key states,” Clinton announced.

      Does that answer your question of whether or not Hillary Clinton approved (and probably collaborated with) Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s corrupt and underhanded behaviour?

      And if Clinton wins, what’s the bet that Wasserman Schultz gets a nice political posting in her new administration.

      http://observer.com/2016/07/clinton-rewards-wasserman-schultzs-shady-behavior-with-new-job/

      • Anne 5.3.1

        … any 25 year old can tell when they are being royally screwed, and they don’t need you to provide cover for the a**holes doing the screwing.

        To begin with I said the supporters were under the age of 25 – quite different. And good on them. Reminds me of ‘me’ 40 plus years ago. They will grow wiser over time just as I did.

        I don’t provide cover for “arseholes” and I never suggested as much. I’m a Sanders fan not a Clinton fan, but I do care about what will happen to the world if a megalomaniac is elected president of America.

  6. Ad 6

    Great 2 weeks for US democracy.

    And fantastic mobilization for Hillary.
    Loved Michelle and Bill.

    • One Two 6.1

      Supporting lifetime criminals The Clintons, while openly ‘loving’ the performance of an impeached and disgraced former POTUS, who is, at best, a womanizer extraordinaire

      There are some low levels of consciousness on this site

      • One Anonymous Bloke 6.1.1

        A little dog known for its yappin’,
        And snappin’ and flappin’ and crappin’,
        Scratching at fleas,
        Spreading dis-ease,
        Pot howling at kettles to blacken.

    • Paul 6.2

      Have you read this?
      I recommend it.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ6oY4dMeYo

  7. adam 7

    Good to see the left going to the Greens.

    About time too.

    For too long the liberal elites in the democratic party have swooned at the altar of the corporations.

    This is not so much burn, as the a new dawn of left and finally some hope for a better future.

    Don’t play the card trump, the democrats brought this on themselves.

    Plus, the right have had their own democracy spring as well. Just look how well the Libertarians are doing.

  8. Slippery 8

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOL0REJmgRQ

    Protests getting more Dangerous Outside the DNC. Cops Get Pushed back.
    footage from 3 hours ago from posting

    • Colonial Viper 8.1

      They were arresting Bernie supporting 8 foot fence jumpers today. (The fence was 8 feet high not the Bernie supporters…)

  9. Ad 9

    I saw Nate Silver have a little wobble about a poll saying Trump was in the lead this week.

    Convention bumps are common: even Walter Mondale caught Ronald Reagan in the polls following the 1984 Democratic – before getting smashed like a month-old apple against a brick house.

    • swordfish 9.1

      Yeah, but you also need to look at things on a Pollster-by-Pollster basis.

      Here’s CNN’s overview of its post-GOP Convention Poll published a couple of days ago:

      Donald Trump comes out of his convention ahead of Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House, topping her 44% to 39% in a four-way matchup including Gary Johnson (9%) and Jill Stein (3%) and by three points in a two-way head-to-head, 48% to 45%. That latter finding represents a 6-point convention bounce for Trump … There hasn’t been a significant post-convention bounce in CNN’s polling since 2000

      • Colonial Viper 9.1.1

        It’s at this stage that for the record, I would like everyone to note that the Democratic establishment had the option of going with a democratic socialist candidate who would slaughter Trump in November by double digits.

        And they went with the far weaker ‘glass ceiling’ breaking candidate instead.

      • Grantoc 9.1.2

        “You also need to look at things on a Pollster-by Pollster basis”

        Which is what Nate Silver does – to a much greater extent that any other polling organisation in the States; using mathematical modelling techniques that are considerably more sophisticated than the other pollsters.

      • Ad 9.1.3

        Hold your breath until they’ve both had conventions.
        Your match ups are otherwise meaningless.

        • Colonial Viper 9.1.3.1

          I’m betting that Clinton’s numbers are going to go down lol

        • Chris 9.1.3.2

          It’s diabolical that the presidency is likely to be decided on the timing of respective gaffes / exposition of faux or mini-scandal etc. That’s what happens when both candidates are so divisive. That wouldn’t be the case if Sanders were one of them.

      • Lanthanide 9.1.4

        “… There hasn’t been a significant post-convention bounce in CNN’s polling since 2000 …”

        Which actually doesn’t mean much. In 2014 I was sure the polling for National would overstate their result by 2-3% as it had done for the previous 3 elections, giving Labour a slim chance to form a coalition.

        But as it turned out, the polling was very accurate for National. The track record of the prior 3 elections didn’t play out again in 2014.

        So just because CNN’s polling methodology in the past didn’t show convention bumps, doesn’t mean the fact that it is showing one now should be particularly important, given how much time has passed since those other elections.

        • swordfish 9.1.4.1

          “In 2014 I was sure the polling for National would overstate their result by 2-3% as it had done for the previous 3 elections, giving Labour a slim chance to form a coalition.

          But as it turned out, the polling was very accurate for National. The track record of the prior 3 elections didn’t play out again in 2014.”

          True. Although bare in mind that both National’s pollster, Curia, and Labour’s pollster, UMR, recorded a roughly 2 point swing to the Nats in the final few days. As Farrar has said – the National hierarchy attributes that crucial late boost to Dotcom’s Big Reveal. Without that, you may well have seen the same over-estimation. (one-way swings to that degree are fairly rare in the final week of the campaign … the 1993 “Bugger the Pollsters” Election being one of the few other examples in recent times).

          Bare in mind, too, that the Nats were polling 50% or more in quite a few polls from May right through to August and even three (50% / 53% / 54%) in early September, just 2-3 weeks out from Election Day.

  10. mauī 10

    If you want to see more of Jill Stein, here’s a great interview, done straight after she did another rousing speech a couple of days ago. That’s probably why it’s so good. Starts at 6:15
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTG67z0yUag

  11. Colonial Viper 11

    Sabine said that 150 sour faced Bernie die hards walked out and they didn’t count for shit.

    I imagine that the repercussions of today’s DNC Convention are going to reverberate, and reverberate loud.

    As for Trump’s polling.

    The electorate absolutely hates disunity. A week a go that was the Republican’s problem. No one remembers that any more.

    • Paul 11.1

      150?
      Nonsense.

      Angry over allegations of widespread voter fraud and orders to stay quiet during Tuesday night’s proceedings, an estimated 1,800 hard-core Sanders voters staged a spontaneous walkout Tuesday night at the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia. Many said they felt disrespected and silenced.

      http://www.cleveland.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/07/dnc_2016_bernie_sanders_suppor.html

    • swordfish 11.2

      4 brutal poll numbers that greet Hillary Clinton at the Democratic National Convention

      Washington Post story before the latest turmoil …

      It’s common for presidential candidates to get a bump from their conventions, and two new polls Monday suggest Donald Trump did indeed get that.

      But the new polls don’t just show Trump’s stock rising (however temporarily that may be); they also have some very bad news for Hillary Clinton and her already-declining personal image. Indeed, politically, she’s doing as bad as she ever has — if not worse …

      Below, four key points:

      1) 68 percent say Clinton isn’t honest and trustworthy

      That’s according to the CNN poll, and it’s her worst number on-record. It’s also up from 65 percent earlier this month and 59 percent in May. The 30 percent who see Clinton as honest and trustworthy is now well shy of the number who say the same of Trump: 43 percent … The CBS poll, for what it’s worth, has a similar number saying Clinton is dishonest: 67 percent.

      2) Her image has never been worse

      CBS showed just 31 percent have favorable views of Clinton and 56 percent have unfavorable ones. Even in Trump’s worst days on the campaign trail, he has rarely dipped below a 31 percent favorable rating … In the CNN poll, the 39 percent who say they have a favorable view of Clinton is lower than at any point in CNN’s regular polling since April 1992 … Clinton’s favorable rating in the CNN poll is currently 16 points net-negative. That’s unprecedented in the dozens of CNN polls on her since 1992 … Gallup’s new numbers on Monday — 38 percent favorable and 57 percent unfavorable — are also unprecedented over the course of Clinton’s political career.

      3) Just 38 percent would be “proud” to have her as president

      That’s down from 55 percent in March 2015. Sixty percent say they would not be proud.

      4) Nearly half of Democratic primary voters still want Bernie Sanders

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/25/4-brutal-poll-numbers-that-greet-hillary-clinton-at-the-democratic-national-convention/

      • GregJ 11.2.1

        I read something somewhere (it may even have been a link from something posted here – perhaps 538?) that said Trump & Clinton are the 2 most unpopular Presidential candidates in decades.

        It really does seem a case of holding your nose when you vote!

        Of course the US should ditch it’s antiquated system and elect a President on a popular vote with runoff elections to get a candidate over 50% – perhaps like, oh I dunno, Russia! 👿

        • Colonial Viper 11.2.1.1

          I am predicting that by the end of August, Trump will smell like roses (relatively) in terms of disapproval ratings.

        • DoublePlusGood 11.2.1.2

          Perhaps a Preferential Vote election. Would also help their democracy greatly if they did STV or MMP for Senate and Congress.

      • red-blooded 11.2.2

        “Untrustworthy and dishonest”? That’s not what Politifact says. In fact, they currently have Clinton rating at 71% true(ish). http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/

        Please note that Sanders is 72% (an improvement on his previous rating).
        http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bernie-s/

        And our beloeved Mr Trump? A whopping 29%! http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

        • Colonial Viper 11.2.2.1

          Let’s look at some real polling results from a few days ago shall we, instead of some synthetic metric which ignores what actual people think?

          The convention also helped Trump make strides in his personal image. A majority (52%) now say Trump is running for president for the good of the country rather than personal gain, just 44% say the same about Clinton. He’s increased the share who call him honest and trustworthy (from 38% to 43%), and who would be proud to have him as president (from 32% to 39%). And nearly half now say he’s in touch with the problems ordinary Americans face in their daily lives (46% say so, 37% did before the convention)…

          Perhaps most troubling for the Clinton supporters gathering in Philadelphia this week: 68% now say Clinton is not honest and trustworthy, her worst rating on that measure in CNN/ORC polling.

          http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/25/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-poll/index.html

          • Macro 11.2.2.1.1

            But then only 70% of the citizens of the USA think CC is real. Admittedly an improvement following the massive droughts they have been suffering this past year, but still 30% deny, and that is enough for the 80 odd republican senators to hold up any real intergovernmental policy on climate change.

  12. Tiger Mountain 12

    Bernie is trying to extract the max policy concessions from the DNC on various issues; but really if he could not be VP nominee he should then have run Green or independent, and all you political geniuses that follow US politics intimately can squeal at me but Bernie was the more likely to be able to defeat Trump

    • GregJ 12.1

      Strategically he was probably better off being inside the tent and trying to drag the Democrats as far left as he could (and let’s not forget he got very close to winning the nomination).

      The only way he could have run as a Green or Independent and had a shot would be if the US reformed its Presidential voting system away from the antiquated one it has now.

      Perhaps his legacy may be a slate of new Democrats who move the party to the left.

  13. Paul 13

    Chris Hedges.
    Saying it as it is.
    Listen from 2:30 to 7:10, from 11:35 to 14:45, from 25:00 to 28:05 and from 29:15.

    We do not live in a functioning democracy and we have to stop pretending that we do.

    When you eviscerate privacy, you can’t use the word liberty. That is the relation between a master and a slave.

    You can’t build movements in a political system where money has replaced the vote.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr4cXH3Fil8

    • Anne 13.1

      Nope. Imo, Robert Reich is right on the button. Sane and sensible reasoning.

    • swordfish 13.2

      Chris Hedges:

      And the Democrats, you know, their bedside manner is different from the Republicans. You know, Trump is this kind of grotesque figure. He’s like the used car salesman who rolls back the speedometer. But Hillary Clinton is like, you know, the managers of Goldman Sachs. They both engage in criminal activities that have—and Clinton’s record, like Trump, exposes this—that have preyed upon the most vulnerable within this country and are now destroying the middle class. And to somehow speak as if we are in a functioning democracy, or speak as if there are any restraints on capitalism, or speak as if the Democratic Party has not pushed forward this agenda—I mean, Obama has done this. You know, he has been as obsequious to Wall Street as the Bush administration. There’s no difference.

  14. Colonial Viper 14

    An interesting counterfactual – what if Trump was knocked out earlier on by the Elephant Establishment (as everyone expected) and Jeb Bush was now the Republican candidate, giving the distressed working class vote truly nowhere to go for.

  15. Stuart Munro 15

    Leaving aside the emails and other dirt, the Clinton brand is pretty tired. The public know to expect more of the same from Hillary – but the same hasn’t worked for them at all. Hope the system gets reformed – I’m expecting a Trump win.

    • Colonial Viper 15.1

      Concur. The writing has been on the wall for a Trump win for awhile, particularly with a Clinton nomination.

      • Stuart Munro 15.1.1

        Yeah – I think too that Jeb Bush’s chances were killed by his brother as much as anything. There hasn’t been a credible GOP candidate since McCain. There’ll be a lot of protest non-votes from both sides. Russia and China will make hay while the US is paralysed with a surfeit of stupid.

        • Phil 15.1.1.1

          There hasn’t been a credible GOP candidate since McCain

          Romney got closer to beating Obama in ’12 than McCain did in ’08.

          • Stuart Munro 15.1.1.1.1

            Not everything worth measuring comes down to numbers. Numerically Key could be mistaken for something other than a lying white collar criminal.

            • Phil 15.1.1.1.1.1

              I tend to believe numerical results are, as a way of assessing political credibility, a far superior method when compared to relying on a political partisan of the left (right) having a balanced view of a candidate of the right (left).

  16. red-blooded 16

    Like they “truly” have reason to hope with Trump! You truly do continue to amaze, CV. Even if you don’t like Clinton, “My friend’s enemy is my friend” doesn’t hold, here.
    Sanders knows damn well that Trump and all that he represents is the real worry. He’s endorsed Clinton and spoken with real passion about the need to reject Trump. They were in competition for the leadership of the Democrats (a party he’s only belonged to for a couple of years) and it’s common in the US for competitors in the primaries to vilify each other, but now’s the time to pull together. He knows this, but it seems his supporters don’t. I really hope they (and we) don’t have to live with the outcome of their (and your) immaturity.

    • Colonial Viper 16.1

      I hope you and your ilk keep demonising ordinary people as being tantrum throwing kids.

      It really helps your likability numbers.

      PS if the Democratic Party hierarchy had been serious about nominating a candidate who by all the polls would smash Trump in November, they would have picked Sanders.

      So please don’t have the gall to blame the rest of us for their shitty short sighted judgement.

      • Liberal Realist 16.1.1

        They will keep at it CV. Beltway types just don’t seem to get it.

        I’ve shared this before (in reply to yourself if I can recall), it still stands. Quote from John Pilger (my emphasis):

        ” Trump is a media hate figure. That alone should arouse
        our scepticism. Trump’s views on migration are grotesque, but
        no more grotesque than David Cameron. It is not Trump who
        is the Great Deporter from the United States, but the Nobel
        Peace Prize winner Barack Obama … The danger to the rest of
        us is not Trump, but Hillary Clinton. She is no maverick. She
        embodies the resilience and violence of a system…
        As
        presidential election day draws near, Clinton will be hailed as
        the first female president, regardless of her crimes and lies
        – just as Barack Obama was lauded as the first black president
        and liberals swallowed his nonsense about “hope”.”

        http://johnpilger.com/articles/trump-and-clinton-censoring-the-unpalatable

        While Trump represents a worldview that I generally don’t agree with he’s unlikely to start WW3. Clinton on the other hand…

        Also worth referencing:

        “The equivalent in the US are the politically correct warmongers on the New York Times, the Washington Post and network TV who dominate political debate. I watched a furious debate on CNN about Trump’s infidelities. It was clear, they said, a man like that could not be trusted in the White House. No issues were raised. Nothing on the 80 per cent of Americans whose income has collapsed to 1970s levels. Nothing on the drift to war. The received wisdom seems to be “hold your nose” and vote for Clinton: anyone but Trump. That way, you stop the monster and preserve a system gagging for another war.

        http://johnpilger.com/articles/silencing-america-as-it-prepares-for-war

        IMO Clinton represents the system that is ‘Gagging for another war’. In order to prevent another major or world war Trump must be elected.

        • Stuart Munro 16.1.1.1

          While I concur that Hillary has little to offer, the Donald may make concessions to Putin in Europe that allow whole countries to be re-enSlaved by Putinic militarism. The wheels have pretty clearly fallen off Dahlian polyarchy, America looks set for a despotic period.

          • Liberal Realist 16.1.1.1.1

            I do not agree that Putin has any intention of enslaving anyone. IMO Putin is doing what an intelligent elite in his position does and he does it well. Putin is a remarkable politician in that he has maintained popularity whilst holding the hawks + neocons in his own government at bay. Who know’s Russia could end up with a reactive hawk at the helm. Putin isn’t an angel by any mark but he’s no comparison to Clinton.

            I believe Putin is a major reason why there hasn’t yet been a major escalation in the US / Russian conflict even though the US and its vassals / proxies have been agitating and inciting Russian responses via encroachment of its interests, overt or otherwise, for years. For example Putin brokered the deal with Syria when Assad was falsely accused of using chemical weapons, for Assad to dispose of his stockpile, averting direct US / NATO intervention (bombing). Ukraine was not invaded after an illegal and overt hostile takeover with swift insertion of delegated quisling and their neo-nazi thugs. Russia has no interest in any conflict with Europe, while recently NATO runs the largest maneuvers since the end of the cold war, near Russia’s border. Who’s the aggressor?

            Eventually Putin will run out of political capital and or buckle to internal pressure to respond more forcefully to the US and its NATO quislings. My bet is that should this come to pass, it will be under Clinton. Giving how the US behaves, that means WW3 just got hot.

            As for America being set for a despotic period, they’ve already developed a fairly advanced form of Oligarchic Plutocracy masquerading as a Republic, so we’re already there.

            • Colonial Viper 16.1.1.1.1.1

              Russia has no interest in any conflict with Europe, while recently NATO runs the largest maneuvers since the end of the cold war, near Russia’s border. Who’s the aggressor?

              While western media parrots blame Russia for warmongering if Moscow conducts military exercises within its own borders.

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  • Appointment round for King’s Counsel announced
    Attorney-General Judith Collins today announced an appointment round for King’s Counsel will take place in 2024. Appointments of King’s Counsel are made by the Governor-General on the recommendation of the Attorney-General and with the concurrence of the Chief Justice. The Governor-General retains the discretion to appoint King’s Counsel in recognition ...
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    2 days ago
  • Retiring Chief of Navy thanked for his service
    Defence Minister Judith Collins has thanked the Chief of Navy, Rear Admiral David Proctor, for his service as he retires from the Royal New Zealand Navy after 37 years. Rear Admiral Proctor will retire on 16 May to take up an employment opportunity in Australia.  “I would like to thank ...
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    2 days ago
  • Indonesian Vice President to visit New Zealand
    Indonesia’s Vice President Ma’ruf Amin will visit New Zealand next week, the first here by an Indonesian leader since 2018, Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters has announced. “New Zealand and Indonesia have a strong partnership,” Mr Peters says.  “The Vice President’s visit is an opportunity to discuss how we can strengthen ...
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    3 days ago
  • Government boost to fight against caulerpa
    The battle to contain the fast-spreading exotic caulerpa seaweed has today received a $5 million boost to accelerate the development of removal techniques, says Biosecurity Minister Andrew Hoggard.  “The time is now to really lean in and build on the work of Biosecurity New Zealand, mana whenua, communities and local ...
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    3 days ago
  • Minister attending Australian data, digital meeting
    Minister for Digitising Government Judith Collins is in Sydney to attend the first Data and Digital Ministers’ Meeting of 2024.  “This is a great opportunity to connect with our Australian counterparts and identify how we can work together on digital transformation,” Ms Collins says.   “Both our nations are looking into ...
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    3 days ago
  • Appointments to Antarctica New Zealand Board
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters has appointed Leon Grice and Heather Simpson to serve on the Antarctica New Zealand board.  “Since taking office, the Coalition Government has become concerned about the direction of the Scott Base Redevelopment Project,” Mr Peters says.  “It is vital that Antarctica New Zealand has the right ...
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    3 days ago
  • Strengthening the Single Economic Market
    Finance Minister Nicola Willis has met with Australian Treasurer Jim Chalmers to discuss the opportunities to lower business costs and increase the ease with which businesses and people can operate across the Tasman.     “I have met with Treasurer Chalmers and shared our new Government’s ambitious economic goals, our plans ...
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  • Government to address business payment practices
    The Government will repeal the Business Payment Practices Act 2023, Small Business and Manufacturing Minister Andrew Bayly announced today. “There is a major problem with large market players imposing long payment terms and routinely paying invoices late. “However, the Business Payment Practices Act is not an effective solution and would ...
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  • Greater focus on work will reduce child poverty
    Worsening child poverty rates support the Coalition Government’s focus on reducing the cost of living and getting people into work, Child Poverty Reduction Minister Louise Upston says. Figures released by Stats NZ today show child poverty rates have increased, with the rising cost of living, driven by inflation, making it ...
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  • NZ announces new support for Ukraine
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters and Defence Minister Judith Collins have marked two years since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine by announcing further support and sanctions, and extending our military assistance. “Russia launched its illegal, full-scale invasion of Ukraine, in blatant violation of international law, including the UN Charter,” Mr Peters says. ...
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  • Finance Minister to meet Australian Treasurer
    Finance Minister Nicola Willis will travel to Australia today to meet her Australian counterpart, Treasurer Jim Chalmers.    “New Zealand and Australia have an incredibly strong trade and investment relationship. The Closer Economic Relations and Single Economic Market are powerful engines for growth on both sides of the Tasman.     “I will ...
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  • PM shocked and saddened at death of Efeso Collins
    “I am truly shocked and saddened at the news of Efeso Collins’ sudden death,” Prime Minister Christopher Luxon says. “Efeso was a good man, always friendly and kind, and a true champion and advocate for his Samoan and South Auckland communities. “Our thoughts and deepest sympathies go to his family, ...
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  • Greater support for social workers
    The Coalition Government is enhancing the professionalism of the social work sector and supporting the vulnerable people who rely on them, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says.  The Social Workers Registration Legislation Amendment Bill passed its third reading in Parliament today. It amends the Social Workers Registration Legislation ...
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    5 days ago
  • Government delivers greater freedom and choice for sick New Zealanders
    The coalition government is delivering on its commitment to making principled decisions by getting rid of red tape that doesn’t make sense and allowing sick New Zealanders greater freedom and choice to purchase effective cold and flu medicines. A bill amending the Misuse of Drugs Act 1975 is being introduced, and changes to the Medicines ...
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    5 days ago
  • Government begins reset of welfare system
    The Coalition Government is taking early action to curb the surge in welfare dependency that occurred under the previous government by setting out its expectations around employment and the use of benefit sanctions, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. In 2017, 60,588 sanctions were applied to beneficiaries who ...
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    6 days ago
  • State of the Nation
    Ka nui te mihi kia koutou. Kia ora, good morning, talofa, malo e lelei, bula vinaka, da jia hao, namaste, sat sri akal, assalamu alaikum. Thank you for coming to my first State of the Nation as Prime Minister. Thank you for coming to a speech where I don’t just ...
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  • West Coast tourism attractions officially open
    Regional Development Minister Shane Jones will attend the official opening of two highly anticipated tourism projects on the West Coast today – Pike29 Memorial Track, dedicated to the memory of the Pike River miners, and Pounamu Pathway. “The Pike29 Memorial Track is a way to remember and honour the men ...
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  • Independent ferry service advisory group in place
    Appointments to the Ministerial Advisory Group tasked with providing independent advice and assurance on the future of KiwiRail’s inter-island ferry service have been made, State Owned Enterprises Minister Paul Goldsmith says. “It’s important for New Zealand that KiwiRail is focused on ensuring safe, resilient, and reliable ferry services over the ...
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    1 week ago
  • Joint statement from the Prime Ministers of Australia, Canada, and New Zealand
    The Prime Ministers of Australia, Canada and New Zealand today issued the following statement on reports of Israel’s planned military operation in Rafah. We are gravely concerned by indications that Israel is planning a ground offensive into Rafah.   A military operation into Rafah would be catastrophic. About 1.5 million Palestinians ...
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    1 week ago
  • Govt will deliver on expanded breast screening
    The coalition Government has made the first steps in delivering on its promise to  extend free breast screening to women aged 70-74, Health Minister Shane Reti says. “As part of the 100 day plan, the Government has now met with officials and discussed what is needed in order for the ...
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  • Government announces woolshed roadshows in support of sheep farmers
    The Government celebrates National Lamb Day (15 February 24) and congratulates sheep farmers on the high-quality products they continue to produce. Agriculture Minister McClay hosted bipartisan celebrations of National Lamb Day with industry representatives at Parliament this week to mark the anniversary of the first frozen lamb exports that left ...
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  • Speech: Address to the NZ Economics Forum
    It’s great to be back at the New Zealand Economics Forum. I would like to acknowledge everyone here today for your expertise and contribution, especially the Pro Vice-Chancellor, Head of the Waikato Management School, economists, students and experts alike. A year has passed since I was last before you, and ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Government tackling high construction costs
    The Government is focused on reducing sky-high construction costs to make it more affordable to build a home, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says.  Stats NZ data shows the cost of building a house has increased by 41 per cent since 2019, making housing even more unaffordable for Kiwi ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s Three Waters legislation repealed
    The Coalition Government’s legislative plan to address longstanding issues with local water infrastructure and service delivery took an important step today, with the repeal of Labour’s divisive and unpopular Three Waters legislation, Local Government Minister Simeon Brown says. “Repealing this legislation is a necessary first step in implementing our Local ...
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  • Cost of living support for beneficiary households
    The Coalition Government is delivering on its commitment to ease the cost-of-living by increasing main benefit rates in line with inflation and ensuring the Minimum Family Tax Credit threshold remains aligned with this change, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. The Social Security (Benefits Adjustment) and Income Tax ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Government announces agriculture delegations to better support Primary sector
    The coalition Government has announced ministerial delegations to support key areas across the Primary sector to deliver for New Zealand’s food and fibre sector, Agriculture Minister Todd McClay announced today. “I will be supported in my roles as Minister of Agriculture, Trade, Forestry and Hunting and Fishing, by three Associate ...
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  • Waikato MoU reinforces Govt’s commitment to increase NZ doctors
    The Government has taken an important step forward in addressing a critical shortage of New Zealand-trained doctors, with today’s signing of a Memorandum of Understanding for a third medical school, Minister of Health Dr Shane Reti has announced.  “Today’s signing by the Ministry of Health and the University of Waikato ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Speech – Lunar New Year 2024
    Annyeonghaseyo, greetings and welcome all. It is my pleasure as the Minister for Ethnic Communities to welcome you to the first Lunar New Year Event in Parliament. Thank you to our emcees for greeting us in the different languages that represent the many cultures that celebrate the Lunar New Year. ...
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  • More funding to Hawke’s Bay and Tairāwhiti
    Urgent work to clean-up cyclone-affected regions will continue, thanks to a $63 million boost from the Government for sediment and debris removal in Hawke’s Bay and Tairāwhiti.                                                                                                   The funding will help local councils continue urgent work removing and disposing of sediment and debris left from Cyclone Gabrielle.   “This additional ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Budget will be delivered on 30 May
    Plans to deliver tax relief to hard-working New Zealanders, rebuild business confidence and restore the Crown’s finances to order will be unveiled on 30 May, Finance Minister Nicola Willis says. The plans will be announced in the Budget which is currently being developed by Ministers.  “The last government’s mismanagement of ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Government advances Local Water Done Well
    The Coalition Government is continuing work to restore council ownership and control of water assets by repealing Three Waters and appointing a Technical Advisory Group to provide expert advice on the implementation of Local Water Done Well, Local Government Minister Simeon Brown says. “The Government will pass a bill to ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Minister congratulates NZQA Top Scholars
    Education Minister Erica Stanford congratulates the New Zealand Scholarship recipients from 2023 announced today.  “Receiving a New Zealand Scholarship is a fantastic achievement and is a testament to the hard work and dedication the recipients have put in throughout the year,” says Ms Stanford.  “New Zealand Scholarship tests not only ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • New diplomatic appointments
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters has today announced five new diplomatic appointments.  "Strong and effective diplomacy to protect and advance our interests in the world is needed now more than ever," Mr Peters says.  “We are delighted to appoint senior diplomats from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade to these ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Speech to the Committee for Auckland
    It is great to be here today at this event as Minister for Auckland and Minister ofTransport. Let me start by acknowledging each one of you and thanking the Committee forAuckland for hosting this event and inviting me to speak here today. The Committee for Auckland has been a symbol ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Getting Transport Back on Track in Auckland
    Transport Minister Simeon Brown has today confirmed his high-level transport priorities for Auckland, in the lead up to releasing the draft Government Policy Statement on Land Transport. “Our economic growth and productivity are underpinned by a transport network that enables people and freight to move around safely and efficiently. At ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Government to axe Auckland Regional Fuel Tax
    Transport Minister Simeon Brown has confirmed that the Auckland Regional Fuel Tax will end on 30 June 2024. “Today, I can confirm that the Government has agreed to remove the Auckland Regional Fuel Tax in line with our coalition commitments, and legislation will be introduced to parliament to repeal the ...
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