Farrar’s STD

Written By: - Date published: 10:56 am, May 15th, 2015 - 142 comments
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David Farrar has a bad case of STD (Standard Titillation Disorder). He seems to find us endlessly fascinating, if the desire of him and his Dirty Politics mates to spy on / hack this blog are anything to go by. Take this post on us today, we’re flattered, really we are. David Farrar and Pete George, who can even tell them apart these days?…

142 comments on “Farrar’s STD ”

  1. SHG 1

    Most of you guys here are fucking nuts though, let’s be honest.

    Obligatory Crosby Textor John Key Jewish banking cabal reference

    • greywarshark 1.1

      @ SHG
      Pot kettle black. You like coming here because TS pours vinegar down the clogged tubes of your mind and raises your IQ.

    • Anne 1.2

      I randomly picked up this comment from some “paranoid mental patient” over on Kiwiblog called SHG. I thinks its called “projection” in the world of the shrinks.

      May 15th, 2015 at 11:20 am
      One of my favourite Philip K. Dick short stories is “Shell Game”, in which a bunch of paranoid mental patients marooned on a planet reach a common internally-self-consistent set of paranoid delusions through group reinforcement. Even when one of them discovers medical records that show they are literally paranoid mental patients and (I paraphrase) asks “hey are you sure we’re not just crazy” the rest of them proclaim “you WOULD say that wouldn’t you! you’re one of THEM, sent to infiltrate us!” with predictable results.

      That’s basically The Standard. They are fucking insane over there. Maybe they weren’t at first, or weren’t all at first, but it’s just a big echo chamber of crazy where the crazy reinforces itself week by week.

    • felix 1.3

      “Obligatory Crosby Textor John Key Jewish banking cabal reference”

      Really, SHG?

      I knew you were a nasty piece of work but I never picked you for an anti-semite.

    • Mark 1.4

      If you take your head out of your arse for a minute you won’t keep spouting so much shite

    • North 1.5

      You got it right SHG !

  2. mickysavage 2

    Interesting interaction between DPF and Danyl McLaughlan.

    “[DM] Didn’t y’all try and pay some nutter to hack The Standard and identify all the authors?

    [DPF: No I did not. I don’t care what The Standard says. I do care that they do not disclose which of their authors past and present are parliamentary staff for Labour]”

    So are to we understand that there was an agreement to engage Rachinger to, in a legal way, try and find out things about our authors?

    • I notice he’s careful to write “I did not.”

    • lprent 2.2

      His wording is pretty interesting as well. You notice that he isn’t interested if they were parliamentary staff for Labour when they were writing as authors. He appears to be interested if they ever wrote for TS when they weren’t parliamentary employees for Labour

      The short straight and precise answer is that we have never had any authors that I am aware of who were writing posts when they were parliamentary staff for Labour, except for a few MPs writing guest posts under their own names.

      That is against one of internal policies about authors. It has been our policy ever since I started working on the site and is why I and some of the past admins check out author affiliations.

      We have no particular objections to political parliamentary employees writing posts. But like MPs (who are also political employees of parliament) they would have to do it under their own name.

      This is to ensure that we don’t get the undeclared political interference that Whaleoil (and probably Kiwiblog) had by having political parliamentary employees like Jason Ede writing posts (and taking photos) for them.

  3. adam 3

    Wow this guy is away on some bad drugs – you too SHG.

    So myself and other don’t remind labour party of its very many weaknesses. Also broadsides at the greens and mana don’t happen on a very regular basis.

    Actually – in the interests of keeping mana and the internet party honest – the money all those candidates got as a wage for standing – what did they spend it on? Did any of them – put any of it towards their campaign?

  4. ianmac 4

    I read the comments on Kiwiblog and on one hand they never read the Standard but seem to have a great deal of fear and loathing for it. One would think that if the Standard was really trivial why would they even bother to comment on it. Strange lot?

    • lprent 4.1

      There are a lot of the commenters there who have at one time or another picked up bans from here usually with the sharp end of my keyboard. We’re not exactly nice about people violating the behaviour rules in the hope that they will change their behaviour next time they come back.

      The ones who have been through multiple cycles of that tend to concentrate their frustrated bile in posts about The Standard.

  5. tc 5

    DPF has his role now refocused to discredit TS as the right move to neuter what little media remains they dislike such as Campbell and stuff Maori TV get up to.

  6. northshoreguynz 6

    You made me click there. That was mean!

  7. lprent 7

    Hey has someone been outing sylands here?

    He is sort of making that claim over at Kiwiblog in that post in what looks like a carefully worded way. I’ve asked him to send me the links to any such comments because as you know I have a thing about people outing others.

    I’ll have a scan through the comments after work.

    • Anne 7.1

      There was plenty of ‘tongue in cheek’ speculation about Srylands origins, place of residence and occupation etc. in the past. Maybe someone inadvertently revealed the truth but never knew it. 🙂

      • McFlock 7.1.1

        lol
        wasn’t he the one who claimed to live in Aus but shortly after claimed to work in wellington? And got NZ GST rates wrong?

        Ah, good times, good times…

        • felix 7.1.1.3

          Love this one, it’s srylands admitting he doesn’t know the rate of GST and then lying again:

          The rate is 17.5%. Or is that the 2015 plan? It is something like 17% or 15% or 12.5%. Who knows? Whatever it is it should be higher and income taxes lower.

          Yes I am in NZ unless that giant sucking sound as the welfare checks get compiled out of my taxes is my imagination.

          http://thestandard.org.nz/peak-driving-what-nationals-doing-with-12-billion-of-your-money/#comment-681399

        • Tracey 7.1.1.4

          yup. he was VERY clear on one thing. that his name was

          srylands

          • RedLogix 7.1.1.4.1

            Yes that is correct Tracey. I always assumed this was his real name because I distinctly recall him clearly saying so. I’m struggling to see how he can then be claiming to be ‘outed’.

            • lprent 7.1.1.4.1.1

              If that is the case then I can’t see how he could be “outed”. Hardly a pseudonym.

              • jester

                Should be easily searchable if Sryland has outed himself.

                That should solve the riddle of how Jilly Bee knew his first name.

                • lprent

                  It is usually pretty hard. I’d have to know what his name actually is for a starter. If (as RedLogix thinks) his handle is his name, then it is unlikely to be able to find even with sphinx. What would you search for?

                  What was the comment where Jilly Bee said his first name?

                  • jester

                    I just searched for the name that OAB has been trying to get traction with for over a year. Even Jilly who I wouldn’t consider the sharpest knife in the drawer made the connection.

                    It’s no secret that OAB has with changing how srylands handle is structured, making references to his employment etc has been playing games.it wouldn’t take long to make a connection to a real person.

                    You know my history Lyn, I love poking the borax at the left but while I believe some of you posters are frigging crazy I do believe you are genuine in your stance on doxng. Hence I have spoken up.

                    • lprent

                      What moderators are looking for is the explicit outing by name of a pseudonym. We will miss more subtle outings where you have to be in the know before you can ‘see’ it.

                      For many people, it isn’t hard to work out who someone is if you know their style. That is a trait I used to use a lot when the banned would try to hop in under a different handle. What we try to prevent is people going off and trying to use disclosure as a weapon because then the threats of false (the most common) or true outings poison all debate.

                      However with srylands, I suspected long ago that people would have figured out who he is in general if not specific. God knows that he leaves enough hints around when he claims specialised knowledge or shows interesting gaps in his knowledge (some have been pointed out above).

                      But I haven’t seen anything running through the comments that would say exactly who he is unless you already knew who he was. It reads like speculation and is usually framed as a question?

                      I’ll scan for Jilly’s comment later. I saw a comment by someone with a unexpected first name in it a while ago but couldn’t figure out who it was directed to (scanning comments means that you don’t have time to sit and puzzle through everything). That may have been it.

                    • Tracey

                      i dont know who he is in real life

                    • felix

                      Um, how can you out someone who’s handle is their actual name?

                      I mean it’s obvious, isn’t it, that “srylands” is a name and an initial?

                      Isn’t it?

                      I never realised he was trying to hide that information.

                      Apologies if this is saying too much and needs deleting.

    • dukeofurl 7.2

      What about commentator ‘Wayne’ who seems to be outed every 2nd day ?

      • McFlock 7.2.1

        ISTR he started off with his full name on the handle and has referred to his government experience, so outed himself.

      • lprent 7.2.2

        Wayne ‘outed’ himself a long time ago.

        We enforce a ban on people outing other people, not people outing themselves. I for instance have always used a ‘psuedonym’, which happens to be the handle I have generally used on the nets for nearly four decades.

        lprent was my first login when I went to university back in 1978. It was my identity on the Waikato university net back then and still is now on the internet. But my handle in real life has always been pretty well known.

        What is less well known is who I am and what I do, basically because I don’t share much of my life in public places. Same for many of the authors here. I’ve never understood some peoples obsession with real world handles. It makes little difference to what peoples opinions are, and is of only vague relevance when they claim expertise based on their real world experience. But the latter shines through when they have to provide backing links anyway. Idiotic unskilled munters provide idiotic links.

        As far as I can see the only possible reason for the interest in peoples real world handles is so that they can persecute them in real life. That is why we treat any attempt to out others as being an attempt to shut down the free and open speech that is possible within our behavioural rules.

        The other possible reason is where people speculate on who someone is that the do so to malign someone who isn’t. Cameron Slater is a notorious arsehole for this. Basically he’d just lie about people. We’re pretty aware of this here because that was what he routinely did with our authors. The most obvious one was when he wrote posts claiming that r0b was Rob Salmond – because of the similarity of name. Of course a few years later Antony Robbins outed himself as r0b.

        Incidentally it is a damn good reason to avoid leaving comments on Whaleoil. He is also well known for spending a lot of effort using the information collected on his site to try to embarrass commenters.

        So when we don’t know who the outed person is already, we insist that the person doing the outing gives us a link to their target outing themselves by name. If they don’t, then I give them a tongue lashing, a huge ban, and see how widely around the net I can trash their name.

        • Sans Cle 7.2.2.1

          I was wondering about Bryce Edward’s recent article on blogging activity….where he “outed” someone. Is the situation similar to’Wayne’ (i.e. they had changed handles from own name, in the past )?

          • lprent 7.2.2.1.1

            I don’t know any details about that. The only reason I know anything about it was some mentions in comments.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 7.3

      I think it’s because he is called Srylands that people have a tendency to call him “S Rylands”.

      • Jester 7.3.1

        Not sure if too many people do have the tendency to call him S Rylands. I guess a site search would indicate if you are correct OAB.

      • Hayden 7.3.2

        That, and he commented using his full name on (IIRC) The Daily Blog.

        • felix 7.3.2.1

          Yep: http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/07/16/surely-whaleoil-insinuating-tania-billingsley-led-her-rapist-on-is-the-new-lowest-of-the-low/#comment-231185

          [lprent: Just for the record, and because it has been bugging me, I will image that probably unforced error

          I’m afraid that if this is srylands, then there is bugger all I can do about it. This doesn’t look like a pseudonym ]

          • Hateatea 7.3.2.1.1

            A person wouldn’t have to spend any time at all outing him when he did it so beautifully himself or doesn’t he think that any of us read other blogs besides The Standard?

            • Hayden 7.3.2.1.1.1

              He also seems to think that no-one remembers anything, or can use Google. I think it’s reasonably common among those who think they’re always the brightest person in the room.

          • Hayden 7.3.2.1.2

            This doesn’t look like a pseudonym

            No. And with that information and a couple of tiny clues about srylands’ claimed (on here) occupation and locality, one could, with a few minutes’ effort, find themselves looking at pictures of his kitchen.

            It’s actually quite frightening how much information is publicly available to anyone with a little bit of time on their hands. I’m personally very easy to find with either a surname or a pastime, which is why I’m grateful for pseudonymity. On other sites I use a unique handle which is easy enough to connect to my real name and address, which is quite a good incentive for good behaviour.

  8. Maui 8

    I don’t understand the idea that this blog is somehow a Labour mouthpiece. A lot of comments as well as the posts are anti-Labour. For instance the posts on here on climate change are far more extreme then Labour policy, actually I don’t even know what Labour policy on climate change is.

    • weka 8.1

      It’s not that the site is a Labour mouthpiece, it’s that it serves the dirty politics if ts is seen as the mouthpiece ;-(

    • Hateatea 8.2

      I have NEVER voted Labour and most of my values would put me left of centre but as this is clearly not an official Labour Party site it has always appealed to me as hosting a broad spectrum of views. Surely that should be seen as a positive thing.

      Some people annoy me as I know I annoy some people. That is life. Maybe DPF and PG need to get one of their own 😀

  9. Tiger Mountain 9

    the Penguin is no better than Slater oil, in fact possibly more oleaginous

    • dukeofurl 9.1

      There is a lot of evidence that the Penguin is an alter ego with Bill English.

      Housing crisis, hes 101% aligned with Englishs spoken views

      he never let on at the time he was computer system admin for Don Brash until after you now what.

  10. felix 10

    Oh dear. Went and had a look in Pete George’s dismal hole for the first time in a while and noticed four things:

    1)In spite of his pretensions to politeness, he lets some pretty hateful stuff happen in his comments.

    2) Whenever he posts on any topic that Cameron Slater has an interest in, his comments section is overrun by what appears to be one person using several handles (handles I’ve never seen before) to shout very loudly over anyone else.

    3) He has begun to refer to the PM by his first name, beginning a post thus: “Graeme McCready’s criminal prosecution against John has been rejected by the District Court. ” lolz 😀

    4) He is still utterly obsessed with everything that happens here. Forget about Big Brother. Weird Uncle is watching you.

    Will check it again next year and report back if anything changes.

    • lprent 10.1

      I see the pingbacks to the posts going into spam. Occasionally I click into them and go over to rev PG up a bit more in his obsessional spiral. I’m getting interested in testing how extreme I can make the guy get by simply pointing out his personality flaws.

      It appears to be petty I know. But he really has this interesting inability to see himself as others see him, and never seems to have developed the self-critical ability that most people have that allows them to learn from criticising their own performance. I’m interested in how far I can push before he starts to develop it.

      There has to be a name for the condition – it is like megalomania, but probably less extreme. I have observed it before (Pat O’Dea seems to have it as well) and I’m still kind of puzzled about how adaptive such people are. They are a pain on the net because they seem to pull all of the opinions out of their arse and hate discussing alternate viewpoints. They also are usually pretty poorly informed on their obsessions because they never seem to research them.

      • Sacha 10.1.1

        I reckon he might be an aspie. Not that it means anyone should have to tolerate the crap way he engages in conversations.

      • emergency mike 10.1.2

        “But he really has this interesting inability to see himself as others see him,”

        Yep, Asperger’s comes to mind.

        • rhinocrates 10.1.2.1

          From my personal experience of Asperger’s, I don’t think that PG is anything like someone with the condition.

          Can I ask you if you’re heavier than a duck?

  11. weka 11

    “David Farrar and Pete George, who can even tell them apart these days?…”

    Ouch, lolz.

  12. Once was Tim 12

    It’s all a bit worse than that … and at the risk of being banned for some ‘interpretive’ value judgment ….
    Davidimo Didimo Farrarimo IS actually an STD in he/she/IT’s own right with all the bacterial spin and the highest viral ideological load to prove it.
    In years to come …. we’ll be looking back on “the Farrar effect”, and the “Hoote/on Effect” …. and there’ll not be a Simon Upton – or some other middle leg puller to rescue them. (apologies to Rolf Harris the PM [with a KNIGHTHOOD] and Jake the Muss)

  13. Kriss X 13

    Say what you like about Farrar (I do) but the levels of censorship on his site are the most liberal and open of all the NZ blogs.

    My hosts here should learn from that.

    The Standard is a reflection of the contemporary NZ left. Out of touch and grossly authoritarian and dictatorial. The people gave us their view on that at the last election. They would rather have a millionaire Jewish banker deciding their working class futures, than an out of touch angry bunch of socialists.

    Time to shut up and listen to the proletariat. Some of us want a real choice at the next election. The NZ left have learnt nothing. Early days for Little, but so far I am unimpressed.

    • lprent 13.1

      We just insist that people follow some basic and sensible rules like not personally attacking our authors, not going way way off the topic of a post especially if we think it is deliberate, and not bloody astroturfing the site.

      Read the policy. What astonishes me is the number of people who can’t follow such basic rules in someone elses house.

      • Kriss X 13.1.1

        No you abusively attack people for their views and then forbid a right of reply. If your policy supports this, then the policy needs to change. My comment is self evidently correct.

        Attacking the opposition is a proven policy of failure for the left. Focus on building a viable alternative and people will come. Ignore me and look at the election results for further tips.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 13.1.1.1

          Views? That isn’t how you spell behaviour.

        • Tracey 13.1.1.2

          do you mean like announce policies showing what you would do if in Government?

        • McFlock 13.1.1.3

          Personally, I’ve found that all the mods give fair warning about when they’re going to ban someone. Some are more tolerant than others, but it’s never a surprise when someone does finally get their butt banned.

          • Kriss X 13.1.1.3.1

            Sure they make no secret of their censorship. Just like NK does not. Was that your point ?

            • Tracey 13.1.1.3.1.1

              the standard is the same as north korea

              interesting notion

            • One Anonymous Bloke 13.1.1.3.1.2

              No matter how many times you fail to provide the evidence to support your funny notions, your belief in them will be unshakable. In fact your failure to link to a single example will make you cling even harder to your fantasy.

              This place is full of opposing opinions. I offer as evidence any post by TRP, any thread on faith healing, any thread on economics, any thread at all.

              However, this reality check will not sway your faith in your opinion one iota.

              • felix

                “…any post by TRP, any thread on faith healing, any thread on economics…”

                …any thread on anything to do with the Labour Party (ffs!)…

            • McFlock 13.1.1.3.1.3

              The idea of attacking and then forbidding right of reply is negated by fair warning, because a warning gives an opportunity to reply.

              For example, if I were to say “K is a dick”, that would be an attack.
              If I were to say “K is a dick” and then ban any further responses from K, then that would indeed be an attack followed by removal of right of reply.

              What happens at TS, and only with the more grumpy mods, is that the might say “K is a dick, and if K keeps doing that dick move, K will be banned”.
              So K can respond with either a reasonable justification of the previous comment or a continuation of the dick move. One collects a ban, one does not.

              I might have seen one or two immediate bans – ISTR that a commenter who suggested that activists on an oil rig should be summarily shot was kicked immediately, but then that seemed extreme enough to be a fair response.

              [lprent: Like society, we have a low tolerance for anyone advocating direct violence in any form. ]

        • lprent 13.1.1.4

          When we ban we put people directly into auto-spam. This is because some people when banned have immediately spewed off a volume of abusive comments.

          I usually get around to looking at spam at least once every couple of days. If I find a non-abusive comment from the banned person in the first couple of comments from them that addresses the reason given for the ban then I’ll pass ONE comment through. This happens in approximately half of the bans where people leave comments.

          Of course the reason for banning someone in the first place was because they were being fuckwits abusing our hospitality. So those who leave comments after banning often tend to stay in the same vein. They don’t address what they were doing, but instead scream abuse at the person banning them for the indignity.

          If you want to have a right of reply, then follow our rules for it, or whine about the ‘injustice’ elsewhere. I’m uninterested in pandering to tantrum driven spoilt brats who grew into adult fuckwits with limited self-control.

          I simply don’t have the time to wipe their face for them with the consideration that they seem to think that I should…. I’m interested in dealing with adults, not large children. Maybe they still need their mommy…

          • Kriss X 13.1.1.4.1

            You just made my point for me, far more effectively than I every could have.

            Now pop over to Kiwiblog and find evidence of your sort of arrogance from the blog itself (not the commenters)

            It is the same thing as we see between Labour and National. One is going from strength to strength, while the other has diminished to minor party status in the results !

            [lprent posts != moderation. Wasting my time. Read the policy about what happens when you fall into the pattern of behaviour of wasting moderator time. ]

            • One Anonymous Bloke 13.1.1.4.1.1

              😆

              Yeah, DPF making false allegations about Standard authors isn’t arrogant at all.

              A party going from strength to strength wouldn’t need to rewrite its vandalism of the Resource Management Act.

            • TheContrarian 13.1.1.4.1.2

              Lprent is a cock for sure. But two things:

              1. The Standard is a reflection of the contemporary NZ left
              No it isn’t, not even close. The Standard is a reflection of people who post and comment on The Standard

              2. Lprent (and others) can moderate and run the blog however he wants. If he is a dick about then he is a dick about it. A big Meh.

              • lprent

                I just don’t tolerate people acting like juvenile idiots. I really prefer that they are quite aware of it. It stops them from presuming on my better nature – which is a scarce resource that I prefer to dish out to people I value.

                And I have seen a lot of dick waving on the net for many decades and I have no respect for people doing it on our site. Bickering is fine. Trying to use the site as some kind of penis pump is a bit disgusting.

                • TheContrarian

                  No one can or should be allowed to out dick-wave you Lynn, not on your own site.

                  • lprent

                    😈 It is all part of my reflection strategy….

                    If you look closely at the way I target various people as a moderator and often as a commenter, I usually try to project an extreme and undisguised version of their own foibles back at them.

                    Dickwavers get the penis abuse. Boring old farts get long and tedious abuse. People who offer complicated and daft proofs get even more complicated heavily researched and linked comments with their abuse, etc..

                    It damn well works which is why I do it. People seldom like their own obnoxious tactics being turned on them.

                    Kriss X is a dickwaver.

                    Now about the way I treat you….

                    • TheContrarian

                      You’re the biggest dick waver here who generally projects the same dick waving to everyone.

                      That’s fine of course, be who you wanna be – ain’t my place to critique and complain. But your still a dick waver stomping his dick on his blog.

                      You treat me just fine. No complaints from my corner.

                      In fact, I’m a recent arrival in Auckland – been living here about a month and a half now. Would love to sit down for a beer with you actually.

                    • higherstandard

                      [deleted]

                      [lprent: Aren’t you banned? ]

        • Psycho Milt 13.1.1.5

          My comment is self evidently correct.

          One senses a certain unfamiliarity with the terms ‘evidently’ and ‘correct’ in this statement.

        • TheContrarian 13.1.1.6

          “My comment is self evidently correct.”

          Quite – your argument is so powerful it isn’t even necessary to talk about it.

        • lprent 13.1.1.7

          I abuse people because I don’t suffer fools gladly and I like them to understand exactly why I think they are a fool.

    • Tracey 13.2

      thanks for your concern.

      • felix 13.2.1

        That’s twice today that right-wing commenters have tried to link this site to anti-semitism.

        My spidey senses detect a meme being astroturfed.

        • Tracey 13.2.1.1

          which is odd when you consider no one cares about TS and most people dont agree with views expressed here. If I were a more cynical person I might think someone came here just to pick a fight rather than to save the Left.

        • joe90 13.2.1.2

          Looking at the structure, themes, and tactics of a relatively new commenter my spidey senses detect a currently banned troll from the sewer.

        • adam 13.2.1.3

          I hope not to far off topic in relation to your point felix- but the Pope just came out and slammed Israel – I think the hard right are more than just a wee bit desperate.

          And like Mr Cameron in the UK – this mob are now using PC language to justify their authoritarian behaviour.

          • felix 13.2.1.3.1

            Seems that everything the british tories do and say is mirrored almost exactly by the nz tories.

            It’s almost as if the policies are all coming from the same feudal oligarchs and being sold by the same pr firm, right across the english-speaking world.

            • adam 13.2.1.3.1.1

              I think you may just be right about that felix.

              They are a cynical bunch.

  14. Once was Tim 14

    BY THE WAY Tony (Robbins) – what was your intent in posting this thread? (where STD – usually associated with Sexually Transmitted Disease is aligned with the re-interpretation you offer?)
    I hope it’s more to do with playing the cunts at their own game, rather than your trying to be clever. I’d just be very interested to know.
    I’m especially interested because we can’t call the obese (whose predicament is driven by greed) FAT fucks anymore – such as that FAT LAZY FUCK Nactional presented in Northland as a candidate – without people who I Norman Normally in agreement with saying I’m resorting to – (actually I’m not sure what she was resorting to, other than feeling guilty she eats too much chocolate).
    I worry about our left!
    There are limits obviously but Labour really does seem to have lost its will to fight – for fear of offending; aside from the loss of commitment to its founding principles (two guesses how that happend); and its signed up to the WASPs protecting their patch no matter what.
    This shift RIGHT that we’ve seen over the past 30 years (a pendulum swing that has our Proim Munsta/CT/and Matty Dear labelling centrist policy “EXTREME LEFT”) , alongside a political party that let it all happen – and ENABLED a good portion of it – means the likes of Murray Rawshark and others thinking they’re treading on eggshells and opting out.
    And apart from the idea that we’d probably all be better served if our entire Parliament was female, shitting ourselves over the trivial whilst we have a march towards fascism in incremental ‘small’ steps (as has once happened with disastrous effect not a century ago) seems just a little pathetic.
    But Steph!!!! – you go gurl!!!
    And Rob – or whoever it was that INTERPRETED one of my previous comments as advocating something (as in “sounds like” – BOLD TYPEFACE, WARNING WARNING WILL ROBINSON) – you go gurl too.
    What’s gone wrong with Labour (UK, OZ, NuZulln). It isn’t just its neo-lib sign-up.

    Fear not Lpr…. I’ll do my best to return to just interloping – reading on occasion the various contributions whilst refraini.ng from hitting reply buttons, whilst I watch your various attempts at creating perfection in terms of the perfek site whilst indulging your addiction/obsession/challenged – all the while whilst others take pot shots at PU for exercising theirs.

    GOD I’m gorgeus Eh?

    • Colonial Rawshark 14.1

      The Left has gotten expert at setting up and tip toeing around political correctness taboos and multi-dimensional PC mine fields laid down about everything, so much so that it can not only no longer communicate to the electorate except in the most circumspect, intellectualised, parenthetical and coded languaging, but it also continuously passes moral judgement on each and every person who may be nominally leftwing, based on the grounds of how able they are as an individual at navigating and languaging around these multiple taboos and mine fields.

      In fact, the professional activist left has turned the whole thing into performance art.

      Of course, ordinary voters can’t be fucked with any of this irrelevant BS and find it an utter turn off.

      • greywarshark 14.1.1

        @ CR
        You said it all. Now that’s out of the way we can take the left program and ideas ahead – keeping important things at the top along with the other everyday ones.
        Making a dual push for change to better ourselves and others, and for the better with improved legislation for the better. We aren’t in TPPA yet so NACTs can get into the debating chamber than pass new ones.

      • left for deadshark 14.1.2

        Fine points made their mate, they will dismiss that,as PC…poppycock.

    • the pigman 14.2

      Aww c’mon there Tim, you don’t have to buy into the bullshit…

      It’s like that noice man Keys says, “it’s a vocal minority” on the activist Left(…?) that want to censor you. Pity it doesn’t make their message any more appealing.

      And to pull out another hackneyed stinker, “Labour is a broad church” (or at least it better be to squeeze all the know-all FFs in).

      Perfek.

  15. Charles 15

    “Let’s do a comparison. Does a single National MP or activist spend a second worried about what people on The Standard says?

    The reason why not, is because The Standard exists solely to attack National. Kiwiblog does not exist solely to attack.”

    D Farrar is, by definition, an activist, and he’s concerned enough to be concerned – which is the definition of worry. Although he is partly right, too: sometimes Kiwiblog has pictures of his trips to Europe or Asia or wherever it was, and once I saw a collection of wine bottle corks*.

    However, depending on your political perspective, both those things are highly political actions and are also (ignorantly inadvertant) attacks on certain classes of people, but the kind of overall awareness you’d need to know that isn’t evident on Kiwiblog so, you know, what a certain kind of person doesn’t know, can’t possibly hurt anyone else. While that isn’t the founding principle of The National Party, it is certainly the basic idea they offer new recruits to the faith.

    *Stop the press! There was a guy posting guest posts, close-up photographs of bees, birds and flowers. Pretty hard to call that a cowardly attack on humanity, so I’ll give him that. Kiwiblog doesn’t hurt or attack anyone when the authors spend their time publishing pictures of bees, birds and flowers, as long as the camera equipment isn’t carried by enslaved sherpas or employees on zero hour contracts. You could argue the carbon footprint, but we’re beginning to get down to some fine degrees, compared to just a good ol’ session of bene-bashing.

    Both The Standard and Kiwiblog post pics of nature shit. Therefore, neither site exists soley to attack. Kumba-fuckin-ya.

    • Tracey 15.1

      lololol

      espesh @ kumba fuckin ya

    • Kriss X 15.2

      Kiwiblog is an active and lively counter to the left. Farrar is a JK shill and extreme Zionist. He is definitely a mouth for the privileged elite. His mild presentation hides a rather more extreme ideology.

      He should be easy pickings, but the fact is his liberal style appeals to more people than the puritan and harsh views expressed here.

      The Standard is Hell-Bent on being a voice of angry disaffected minorities, not the average working stiff. Labour is doing the same thing and is left shrouded in defeat wondering why minorities can not vote in a majority government.

      Idiots !

      • Tracey 15.2.1

        which party in NZ best reflects your view for future NZ?

        • Kriss X 15.2.1.1

          Tracy, your comment is a failed attempt at setting me up for an ad hominem, or straw man.

          But I will play along.

          None of them.

          • Tracey 15.2.1.1.1

            cool. so did you not vote?

            as for me setting you up for ad hominem, that is not my style.

          • One Anonymous Bloke 15.2.1.1.2

            none of them

            Join the club. Everyone else in every democratic nation on Earth is already a member. Some of us have even figured out that a way around it is to vote for the least worst option. A few have even got over our cry-baby sense of entitlement.

      • One Anonymous Bloke 15.2.2

        This is just empty rhetoric. How are a CGT or higher minimum wage pandering to minorities? When you mindlessly repeat the Tory narrative it makes you sound like a Tory, by the way.

        The Standard is a place. Places don’t have opinions. People do, including working stiffs.

        • Kriss X 15.2.2.1

          The Standard is not a “place”. The ideology of the moderators decides what is allowed.

          Once again, ignore me and look the how the little people voted.

          [lprent: Actually no. The rules in the policy determine that. One of those is to stop pissant wankers like yourself from claiming that there are ulterior motivations when they can’t provide any evidence. Just like you did then pulling that old chestnut out of your arse. You are wasting my time. ]

          • Tracey 15.2.2.1.1

            am I invisible or are my questions too hard?

          • One Anonymous Bloke 15.2.2.1.2

            I’m one of the little people, a working stiff, pointing out that your rhetoric doesn’t match reality, pointing out that it parrots National Party talking points. and asking you how you reconcile this.

            While you’re at it, you can explain why, if moderator ideology is the commenting hurdle, Gosman, Gormless, Srylands, SHG, Alwyn, et al are so prolific.

            Yes, yes, I know you believe what you’re saying very very hard, and you can’t actually point to an example or two, for instance, just to put some meat on the bone.

      • b waghorn 15.2.3

        I’m a feely average working stiff also a middle aged white guy so I’m about as far from you’re description as one could get.
        When it comes to disaffected ,you’re ranting on about Zionists makes me think you need to go stand in front of a mirror and have a good look.

        • Kriss X 15.2.3.1

          Hi. Where was I “ranting on about Zionists” as you lied claimed ?

          I want to edit/delete that comment, if you can point it out to me.

          In the mean time I will dismiss you as a liar.

          [lprent: You really are a dickhead. A quick search of “Kriss Zionist” reveals your comemnt on this post – http:///#comment-1015324 – Don’t waste my time looking for false accusations. And I’d suggest getting off whatever drugs you are on. They are screwing with what limited intelligence you possess. ]

          • Tracey 15.2.3.1.1

            have you noticed how in many posts you talk to yourself?

            • Kriss X 15.2.3.1.1.1

              Yep I was right. Straight into the ad hominem when your ignorance is exposed.

              • One Anonymous Bloke

                In fact, describing someone as talking to themselves, is a comment on their behaviour, rather than their person.

                By definition, not a personal attack, nor an ad hominem argument. Please try and learn the difference.

              • Tracey

                QED

          • b waghorn 15.2.3.1.2

            “They would rather have a millionaire Jewish banker deciding their working class futures”
            “Farrar is a JK shill and extreme Zionist. He is definitely a mouth for the privileged elite. ”
            OK maybe not quite ranting but there’s deffently a little issue there.

            • Kriss X 15.2.3.1.2.1

              1. JK is a an ex banker and it was widely celebrated in the Israeli and Jewish media that NZ had a “Jewish” Prime minister.

              2. Mr Farrar supports the establishment of Israel, which is the Zionist cause.

              Why do you see facts as an “issue” ?

              What do you prefer instead of facts, lies ?

              http://www.timesofisrael.com/new-zealand-jewish-pm-wins-third-term/

              • One Anonymous Bloke

                I suppose it depends which facts you consider significant.

                • Tracey

                  and whether you think describing Farrar as an “extreme Zionist” is of any relevance to anything discussed here?

                  It is not enough to define Zionist, but rather extreme Zionist.

              • felix

                Know what I see as an issue?

                Fuckwits from the sewer coming here, posing as lefties (a mask you managed to wear for all of about 3 minutes) and planting anti-semitic comments to establish a meme.

                That’s the only issue your disgusting unwelcome presence raises. Hopefully a moderator figures out what you’re doing and bans you permanently.

              • Hateatea

                As Israel was established before I was born, almost 65 years ago, it is reasonable to assume that you are meaning the policies of the current Israeli government. If that is what you meant, please say so.

                I believe that it is quite possible to be a supporter of the existence of the State of Israel, presumably a Zionist, whilst disagreeing with some, many or all of the policies of the Israeli government.

                Perhaps an ‘extreme Zionist’ in your definition of the term is one who agrees with current Policies of the government of Israel. I might disagree but that is my right.

                • Colonial Rawshark

                  Current day Israel was established through a process of ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian population who were living in the area; Palestinian lands and homes were confiscated through paramilitary terror and violence.

          • Kriss X 15.2.3.1.3

            Sorry, link did not work. Maybe you should have spent the time looking up what “Zionist” means. Hint: Not what you think it does.

            Thank me latter.

            • McFlock 15.2.3.1.3.1

              so how is it that you are smart enough to have your own obscure definitions for words and read other people’s nids, yet you’re too inept to look at the link address and just paste “http://thestandard.org.nz/farrars-std/” in front of the comment anchor number?

              • Kriss X

                There is nothing unusual about my use of term Zionist. It is not some underground conspiracy theory. It is a mainstream movement and its founders were very vocal about their cause.

                I wonder about the motivations of those who are making a fuss over my use of the term. Clearly they see it as a negative or derogatory word. I wonder why.

                vhttp://zionism-israel.com/zionism_history.htm

                • Tracey

                  the term you used was “extreme Zionist”. Different to a normal Zionist you have to assume.

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