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How did Peters know that Dunne was gone?

Written By: - Date published: 11:42 am, August 1st, 2013 - 42 comments
Categories: john key, winston peters - Tags: , ,

So the email has been tabled and it appears that on May 31, 2013 an unnamed contractor at Parliamentary Services sent Andrea Vance’s and apparently Peter Dunne’s telephone records to investigation head David Henry.

But Winston Peters already knew that Peter Dunne was the person who had been in contact with Andrea Vance and who apparently leaked the Kitteridge report.  How did he know?

On May 29, 2013 at a meeting of the finance and expenditure select committee he accused Dunne of being the leaker.

Then in Parliament on May 30, 2013 Peters said “[a]ll the evidence is in those phone records, and your minister is gone”.  I thought previously this occurred on the 31st but this was the day it was reported, not the day it was said.

So many questions …

42 comments on “How did Peters know that Dunne was gone? ”

  1. Mary 1

    Does this also mean that Key is gone because it means that he has definitely lied about the level of his involvement in the seeking of the Vance emails issue?

    • insider 1.1

      See all the other times over the last five years standardistas have claimed he’s definitely lied and been gone for your answer

      • Mary 1.1.1

        That’s only because Key’s style is to deny, deny, deny which allows him to retain the potential later to hang on to the slither of a possibility that he hadn’t lied. Most other people concede the truth at a much earlier point and walk. Kind of like the difference between standards of proof “on the balance of probabilities” and “beyond reasonable doubt”. In therms of the former Key’s lied countless number of times. In politics, though, you need a smoking gun which Key has been just lucky enough to avoid. Some would say that he hasn’t even manged that, but that’s politics for you. This Dotcom/Vance/Dunne/GCSB stuff may well be what makes the difference. But I guess you’d just say it’s more of the same and will amount to nothing. I say watch this space.

        • Jenny 1.1.1.1

          At the start of this scandal, which burst into the public domain with the way over the top armed raid on Kim Dotcom, John Key decided to lie. His calculation was that it would be soon all over. KDC would be whisked into custody and out of the country. Key never expected that this story would have legs. But not only does it have legs it is growing new ones.

  2. insider 2

    Maybe it was an intelligent guess from Peters? What was the most likely way they would be communicating? Peters is well used to using innuendo to create an impression of secret knowledge

  3. grumpy 3

    Winnie is a pretty smooth operator. When a hottie like Condi Rice says she “likes his style”, what chance would an ex News Of The World journalist have?
    Double honey trap anyone?

    • Colonial Viper 3.1

      Oh yes please. Ahh, I see that wasn’t an offer, then.

      • grumpy 3.1.1

        Heh, anyway, if the GCSB was any good we would be watching the videos by now………

        • mickysavage 3.1.1.1

          So let’s see Grumpy you are saying that Andrea Vance gave Peters telephone records that only Parliamentary Services can generate …

          • Lanthanide 3.1.1.1.1

            There’s no requirement that she gave Peter’s the same identical data as created by PS.

            For example, it’s very easy to write your own phone records out on paper. Paper that could fall out of your briefcase into a parliamentary corridor, or one that you willingly give over to a particular politician.

          • grumpy 3.1.1.1.2

            She didn’t need to provide the phone data – she knew.

            The question was –

            “But Winston Peters already knew that Peter Dunne was the person who had been in contact with Andrea Vance and who apparently leaked the Kitteridge report. How did he know?”

            Could only have been her.

            • mickysavage 3.1.1.1.2.1

              So Vance leaked to Peters? Interesting theory that she would sell out a Cabinet Minister source for no benefit. Very unlikely don’t you think?

              Why would Peters make such specific comments about the phone records?

              • grumpy

                Created a bit of a hot news day though eh?

                Why would anyone leak to Peters, apart from the fact that he is the best attack dog on the opposition benches?

              • King Kong

                Vance could hear the drums beating for Dunne so thought she should look for another old fool who she could beguile with her feminine charms.

                (by the way, this is right on the money. Eagleson showed me her phone logs)

                • felix

                  No he didn’t. You’re an anonymous fiction on the internet and the PM has no way of showing anything to anonymous fictions on the internet.

                  I realise of course that you’re just following the National line that Vance spends her time seducing old men for no reason other than that she’s a harlot. Try not to get sprayed with grumpy’s jizz though.

                  • jim

                    Winston, said this morning that he got to see the phone records from a source at the Beehive.As with all things Winston,what he says does and promises has to be taken with a grain of salt

                    As far as the P.M.being found to be misleading the house “however apparent” best of luck with that one.Lately as recent as yesterday when confronted about the resignation of Thorne,he got that look, a look not often shown but one that gives him away as not telling the truth.If anyone outside of him is going to take the fall, it will be Eagleson,and for that to happen the opposition are going to have to keep pushing, and pushing hard.

  4. King Kong 4

    [Comment deleted – Try Cameron’s place if you want to make that sort of comment – MS]

  5. Jenny 5

    It is a bizarre misogynist diversion to suggest that Vance showed Peters her email conversation with Dunne. Not only is this an idiotic diversion to steer us away from the real criminals, it is a sexist. Claiming that Vance was seduced by Peters. That he set her a honey trap that she fell into, even as a joke this is not funny it is demeaning and insulting.

    This misogynist rubbish cannot go unchallenged.

    Peters has claimed he was shown the emails by someone, but he won’t say who. He was shown these emails with malicious intent, by someone with motive to do so.

    There is no other explanation. The emails were shown to Peters by an agent of the DCSG or SIS. Not only did they have motive they have access.

    Their motive was to humiliate and threaten.

    Will these criminals remain hidden and protected?

    Will John Key succeed in his plan to give these criminal blackmailers the power to collect even more informational data on everyone?

    • felix 5.1

      Yes the misogyny from grumpy, kk and others is ugly and quite revealing. These neanderthals can’t fathom a woman operating in this context except as a whore.

      You miss a trick though; Peters was approached by an agent of the PM.

  6. Souvlaki 6

    @ Grumpy: I have always maintained Vance leaked to Peters! Why?….she was becoming pissed off with Dunne’s amorous intentions ,on the eve of her forthcoming wedding. She had obtained what she wanted from Dunne & what better way/ person to leak to than Peters!! Quite clever really, for a News of The World journalist.

  7. bad12 7

    Parliament is always a hot bed of rumor, they swirl around the place everyday with gasp shock horror abandon,

    Mostly who got pissed on Friday night and chucked the contents of their stomach or who is in bed with who at any give time type of stuff,

    Even the more serious stuff has the Parliamentary rumor mill churning endlessly and most of it never sees the light of day overtaken by the next flurry of juicy corridor gossip or kept silent by the unwritten unsaid code of conduct that stops most of the dirty laundry being aired along with the fact that 1/2 of it is simply untrue and sorting out what is and isn’t would leave most of us,(and them), sitting in a quiet cell in a place like Lake Alice,

    i am of the view that Dunne’s involvement in the leaking of the Kitterege report would have been a hot topic of the Parliamentary rumor mill and Winston connected the dots and decided there was much to be made in political capital by going public with the info,

    Dunne who was obviously at least in ‘lust’ with Vance i should imagine being an old bloke who had just had parts of His psyche, if not His anatomy, burst into sudden glorious life after years of dormancy would have been exhibiting ‘strange’ behavior above and beyond the realms of any previous normal ‘strange’ behavior, at once wanting to revel in his new found ‘lust’ and on the other hand knowing He had to keep His delicious secret,

    The Parliamentary rumor mill while perhaps not knowing all the delightful little details of Dunne’s late life dalliance would have certainly been running strong on the strength of there was ‘something going on’…

    • grumpy 7.1

      Makes a lot of sense……

    • jim 7.2

      Without doubt Dunne was the one,Was it done out of care for our democracy,was it done out of his illusion of importance,was it done by being beguiled by a ruthless reporter, who!s illusion of success and importance beguiled another self illusionist for their ego!s illusions.

  8. jaymam 8

    Ha! more news:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8996411/Emails-given-to-inquiry

    DPMC chief executive Andrew Kibblewhite said the documents to be released today showed that the emails between Dunne and Vance were sent to the Henry inquiry on May 21 by Parliamentary Service.

    • Anne 8.1

      They were recalled by Parliamentary Services an hour later. The claim they were not opened by anyone in the DPMC was in fact true BUT… the reason was because they had a different file format and weren’t able to open the attachments … NOT because they had a sudden fit of principles and decided they didn’t want to see the emails.

      You gotta laugh.

      • freedom 8.1.1

        “they were not opened because the file format of the attachment could not be opened by the DPMC server. ” I doubt I will ever stop laughing at that one, these guys have no shame at all.

        • jaymam 8.1.1.1

          System programmers can read anything, without trace. It’s their job.

          • richard 8.1.1.1.1

            Shouldn’t even need a sysadmin – just google. .pst files are a native M$ Outlook format. Do a search on “.pst” in google and there are zillions of articles on how to deal with them. Of course, if they were sensible they wouldn’t be using M$ products but there is lots of info on how to import them into other email clients.

            • lprent 8.1.1.1.1.1

              I can remember being .PST many times. Maybe not all of tyhrem = the format has been around for a long time.

              But Richard is correct. There are a lot of pages on how to read it. But he is probably referring to that silly format Tthat mickeysoft tried to use because multipart mime was an open standard.

      • RedLogix 8.1.2

        Of course they didn’t read them. No need to as the GCSB already had them.

        • Richard Christie 8.1.2.1

          Tin foil hat guy notes that they say “they” didn’t open them, not that they didn’t read them.
          Have someone else open them and you’ve got means for plausible denial.

  9. Takere 9

    WinnieLeaks!

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