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How the Left won Budget 2010

Written By: - Date published: 10:42 am, May 31st, 2010 - 60 comments
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On the back of last night’s poll that showed the Budget has done nothing for National, I thought a re-examination of the politics of the Budget is in order.

See, we got a whole lot of excited coverage at the time as the journos got swept up in the income tax cuts. Labour, the Tracy Watkins-types of the world pronounced, has been caught flat-footed. It wasn’t the tax cuts for the rich that the Left had been pre-framing the Budget as. Silly Lefties, that dreamie Johnnie beat you again.

Well, that level of analysis is, with respect, what makes Watkins not a very good political commentator. The Left’s positioning of the Budget worked.

Initially, National had wanted to align the top income rate, the trust rate, and the corporate rate on, at most, 30% (options of 27%, even 25% were explored by the Tax Working Group), and there was no talk of lowering the bottom tax bracket. The political parties, the unions, and the blogs had strongly argued that any income tax cuts ought to be directed at lower incomes and giving it all to the rich would be fundamentally unfair.

The Left’s early framing made it politically untenable for the Nats to only give cuts to their rich mates. They were forced to cut the upper rates less than they had hoped and partially compensate the poor for the GST hike but cutting the lower rates more, including the predictable (indeed, predicted) ‘rabbit from a hat’ of larger cuts in the middle rates than had been previously indicated.

So that was about the best outcome on substance that the Left could hope for – forcing National to slightly moderate the Budget. But it was still overwhelmingly a Budget for the rich. As my calculations show, 3 million (90%) of taxpayers got net tax cuts averaging a mere $4 a week. The very rich, the CEOs on million dollar salaries, received massive cuts.

And the Left is winning the politics on that too. Even the usually heavily right-leaning Herald online poll showed that about half of voters thought they would be no better off after the tax swindle. The Colmar Brunton poll shows no post-Budget bounce for National. Instead, the downward trend continues. Why?

Because the Left has successfully proved that the tax swindle takes money from the pockets of working New Zealand and gives it to the rich elite (a fact that fits very nicely with Labour’s emerging vision: ‘for the many, not the few’). Kiwis are not buying National’s spin and the silly excuses about aligning tax rates and supposedly boosting growth, they see a swindle.

And National losing the tax argument is only the start. The Budget is full of public service cuts and dodgy deals like PEDA. National didn’t catch the Left off guard in the Budget. No. They played their only trump and they’re finding it hasn’t worked.

60 comments on “How the Left won Budget 2010 ”

  1. just saying 1

    All sorts of people are talking about all those important things the budget pundits failed to inform them of. As someone said on another thread, even people who are usually supremely indifferent to politics. And the cumulative cuts in services, that have been going on almost from the start, are starting to reach a tipping point in the public consciousness too IMO.

    I’ve always felt uncomfortable about ‘the many not the few’. Couldn’t it be ‘the many, not just the few’? The slogan seems to me to be appealing to a tribal rather than a community mentality. Almost a bit of a reaction to “identity politics” to my ear.

    • Bright Red 1.1

      it’s not identity politics, it’s class politics.

      The problem, if I may be frank, with the liberal wishy washy left is summed up in a person who worries about whether or not to add ‘just’ to ‘the many not the few’. It’s that inability to take a firm stand on anything that saw the Right roll over the liberal left in the 1980s.

      I say f#ck the few, it’s what they want to do to the rest of us.

      • Bright Red 1.1.1

        I should point out that I’m not espousing illberalism. When I talk of the liberal left I mean the Russell Browns of this world. The weak-willed latte drinkers who are more concerned with identity politics than class politics. They successfully took over the Left in the 1970s and they lost the fight with the Right in the 1980s.

        • I dreamed a dream 1.1.1.1

          Are the liberal left mainly in the Greens now?

        • pollywog 1.1.1.2

          I had high hopes for Russell Brown once, but he’s kinda the Paul Holmes or Paul Henry for my generation now.

          They successfully took over the Left in the 1970s and they lost the fight with the Right in the 1980s.

          How did they do it and if so how can the ‘radical’ left reclaim what was lost ?

          • uke 1.1.1.2.1

            “How did they do it and if so how can the ‘radical’ left reclaim what was lost ?”

            Chris Trotter is continually writing about this (check his blog at Bowalley Road).

            • Lew 1.1.1.2.1.1

              Except Chris doesn’t represent the “radical” left in 2010 — he represents the socially conservative eurocentric Marxism of the 1970s and prior. At the time it may have been the “radical” left, but the world’s changed.

              L

              • Bright Red

                yeah, Trotter seems to think the answer is to be illiberal and dog-whistle racism. He’s yesterday’s man/

              • uke

                Yes, I know Chris has a bit reactionary.

                So who are some others who are discussing the issue that Pollywog raised?

                (I’d like to know too.)

              • RedLogix

                Chris Trotter can still write the arse off anyone else around, and more importantly he remembers all the mistakes that have been made along the way, mistakes we forget at our collective peril. Does this mean everything he says is holy writ? Of course not, but derisively dissmissing one of the most experienced voices on the left is just plain dumb.

                And the term ‘yesterday’s man’ is foolish term that most non-Western cultures, who retain some respect for their elders…. would find offensive.

          • Draco T Bastard 1.1.1.2.2

            How did they do it and if so how can the ‘radical’ left reclaim what was lost?

            Bryce Edwards has a rather good summation in his Identity politics vs class politics series.

            • pollywog 1.1.1.2.2.1

              Cheers for that link DTB.

              Nice that Goff has been pushing his ‘for the many not the few’ line since the 70’s. Dunno that pandering speeches hoping to score the average working class Maori vote is gonna improve Labour’s standing among Maori or his own base though.

              Best to cut his losses and let the nats try and make a foreshore and seabed the Maori party are comfortable lying in, then watch Hone burn the house down around them while he stands by with the water hose

              Then when the time is right, (around election time) hack off a big ol slice of humble pie, swallow some pride, cut a deal with the Maori party and wash it down with some STFU juice on anything racial and if he’s gonna play cards, then play the culture/class card of corporatism vs collectivism.

              In the meantime Goff really needs to work on his wardrobe and image. I could probably help him in that dep’t. 🙂

        • just saying 1.1.1.3

          Interesting. I really was just throwing it out there to see if anyone else felt uncomfortable about it. Loved the “weak willed latte drinkers” image.
          But actually my unease is more about people on the fringes; the poor the disabled, the unemployed etc. There a lot of disadvantaged minorities that Labour seems to be willing to sacrifice for the votes of ‘the many’.

        • Lew 1.1.1.4

          Except that by forcibly privileging class over identity politics, the tendency is to take illiberal positions (like the Foreshore and Seabed Act and current campaigns for tangata whenua to give up their own campaigns for their own goals and fall back in lock-step behind the rest of the left).

          Class and identity politics need to cohabit. Neither can function effectively without the other. A socially conservative eurocentric left is almost as bad as a socially conservative eurocentric right, and lacks the support of the genuine conservatives.

          L

      • big bruv 1.1.2

        Thank you Bright Red, while I obviously do not agree with your politics (small minded and based on envy) I applaud the fact that you are one who is prepared to tell the truth about how the left see things in NZ.

        I wish a few more of your comrades would be as honest.

    • Lanthanide 1.2

      It might be more accurate, but it’s not a good slogan.

      captcha: brand

    • Lew 1.3

      BR is dead right — this is not a slogan of inclusiveness, it’s a slogan of distinction. This makes it a strong one, but also a dangerous one, in that there’s a chance that the “wrong” people could find themselves on the other side of the divide. The strategy requires that some people be pissed off with Labour, and that’s a good thing — you can’t keep the whole electorate happy, and if your ideological enemies don’t hate and fear you, then you’re not doing your job properly.

      Labour’s challenge, in plain economic terms, is to set things up so they have the majority of the electorate both objectively benefitting from their policy programme and realising that they do. In general they’ve had one or the other — most recently, it’s been people benefitting, but not really being aware that they do, or not identifying that advantage with the Labour party responsible for delivering it; or in the ’80s, they didn’t benefit but were persuaded that they did.

      National’s job is ultimately the same — except they have the slight disadvantage of a policy programme which actually doesn’t objectively benefit a majority of the population. However they have the considerable advantages of knowing what the hell they’re doing when it comes to running the politics, and of a strong leadership team whom the public instinctively feels is competent, efficient, positive and trustworthy.

      L

      • just saying 1.3.1

        There are already many “on the wrong side of the divide” – that’s my point.
        Maybe I wouldn’t hear it in the slogan if I wasn’t seeing it in Labours actions. They are sacrificing the poorest and weakest to to pander to the dog-whistling right.
        The few, on a plate, in return for an unknown number of soft tory votes.

        • Lew 1.3.1.1

          JS, a few of the many being sacrificed, I guess is what you’re saying. That’s a fair enough comment, but it has ever been thus.

          In 2004-08 it was tangata whenua sacrificed for the middle ground. I think that was a bad call, but not because of the mathematics: in terms of the numbers, it was clearly the right call. But things other than numbers matter, and the FSA and subsequent positions taken by Labour have so severely undermined their relationships and reputation that I don’t think it was worthwhile over the long term.

          L

          • ianmac 1.3.1.1.1

            Well Lew. It will certainly be interesting to see the outcome of the revised F&SAct. If it is not really improved then I think that all bets will be off. The MP were formed to remove the Act. (Perhaps they might be caught in the Act.)

          • just saying 1.3.1.1.2

            I agree with you the sacrifice of the legitimate interests of the tangata whenua is a perfect example.
            Thing is, I think the tory swing to the right is the perfect opportunity for labour to swing left and still catch the disgruntled middle class.

      • RedLogix 1.3.2

        However they have the considerable advantages of knowing what the hell they’re doing when it comes to running the politics, and of a strong leadership team whom the public instinctively feels is competent, efficient, positive and trustworthy.

        Conservatives always have the advantage of being able to point to the status quo as what they want. The ‘do nothing’ option is always in the short-term easier to accomplish, and easier to look competent at… than the left’s fundamental desire to change things for the better.

        Most people are rather risk averse and suspicious of change, for this reason it’s always easy to sell reform if it only imapcts a relative few at the margins. Which is why Prostitition Law reform worked and the S59 Repeal didn’t. Yet liberal identity politics inherently contains this double-edged sword, while it may well deliver real gains for specific groups, it equally it can alienate the majority if they are resentful of their deteriorating position.

        The fact is that real wages have declined 30% over the last 30 years, and the wage share of GDP in this country is an abysmally low 42% and dropping. This hurts the many, regardless of identity. The left could afford to do liberal identity politics while the illusion of prosperity remained and the majority were content with their position, but the last 18 months has ripped this away.

        Unless and until the left talks directly and openly on these fundamental inequality issues, and unless it can convince the many that it has a competent plan to deliver on such a major change…then the majority will prefer the apparently safer option of sticking with what they have.

        • Lanthanide 1.3.2.1

          Labour said they’d put the minimum wage up to $15 over two years. That would seem to be directly talking to the fundamental inequality issue, and would give a real shot in the arm of the 42% and flagging wage share.

          Expect to see them campaign on it for the next election, and coupled with National’s tax cuts for the rich/companies and hopeful end of the recession, it’ll be hard for National to defend against it.

          Such a raise to $15 hour equates to an extra $74.25/week for someone on the current minimum.

  2. yeah, but the leftie politicians still took the taxcut as high paid earners and have directly benefitted from the swindle.

    If they dont agree with what the gov’t has done, then don’t accept the payments and claim to be on the side of the many.

    Either redirect their taxcuts into charity and show some leadership/moral backbone or risk being called hypocrites paying token lipservice criticism to the few/rich elites they themselves belong to.

    • Clipbox 2.1

      Good point…

    • Lew 2.2

      Not to charity. Into a fighting fund to help win elections. BR did the numbers and reckoned it would be around $200k per year across the Labour and Green parties. Talk about using the master’s tools to dismantle his house …

      L

      • pollywog 2.2.1

        I reckon it wont take much money or effort to reinforce what the public are slowly starting to realise Lew, that the John Key they voted for is not the John Key they thought he was.

        and that the Bill English, they voted for is the very same one they rejected in previous elections but who is now currently in charge of the public purse.

        We didnt kick him out the front door so he could wheedle his way in through the back, and likewise for Key. We let him in the front door on good faith, he abused it, so now we need to show him where the back door is and shuffle him towards it.

        captcha : passing (through)

  3. I dreamed a dream 3

    It feels like a shock victory, but it also feels so good!

  4. ianmac 4

    “The many not the few”. Brilliant. That really was a very important phrase.
    For most people I suspect that the finer points of a budget are lost in the busy life etc. So slogans sum up the detail. Think of terms like the Black Budget, Mother of All Budgets, Lets Stop for a Cup of Tea, and how they resonated down the years. “Smile and Wave” (and Duck) sticks. Tuhoe Cheated. Mine the Conservation Land. Not yours. Mine. Transparent Trusts.
    In other words the philosophy has to be summed up with those easily remembered calls.

    • Lanthanide 4.1

      “Mine the Conservation Land” could work for a Brash-style billboard:
      National: Mine the Conservation Land
      Labour: Mind the Conservation Land

      • Lew 4.1.1

        “Yours” and “Mines” works better, as Labour’s essentially already done. The great virtue of Ansell’s billboards was their brevity.

        L

  5. Mike 5

    The Colmar Brunton poll also asked questions directly about the budget itself, whether people will be better off, whether it was fair etc, I imagine the results will be revealed tonight.

  6. felix 6

    On the possible interpretations of “the many, not the few”:

    It just doesn’t matter. To the intended audience it is obviously a statement about class/economics. And it’s working.

    Let’s get on with it, shall we?

    • Lew 6.1

      Exactly right. It’s a strong slogan because it speaks to the “middle” class or “average” New Zealanders whom are indistinct and numerous. In the US, around 85% of the electorate define themselves as “middle class”, even those who aren’t really.

      In NZ it might not be quite that high, but it’s still a lot, running the gamut from people who earn above minimum wage and have no assets to speak of but don’t usually have trouble making rent each week to those who own the family home freehold and have a few rental properties and holiday homes besides, but only drive a 5-series as opposed to a 7-series BMW.

      This is why the “workers of the world unite” rhetoric of the unreformed Marxists is dead: because, like it or not, most people don’t think of themselves as “workers”, so they don’t consider that exhortation to apply to them (or they’re slightly uneasy about the objective fact that it does). Capitalism has won to this extent, and while it’s a grand goal to roll that back, pretending it hasn’t taken hold is not the path to success.

      L

    • RedLogix 6.2

      Just minutes ago I’m told about a third suicide in three months among a group of underclass people I’m in contact with. Each one has it’s own complex story, but equally each one has the same underlying logic…hopelessness.

      (At this point I’ve deleted a noisy, and ultimately pointless rant.)

      A new govt isn’t going to magically stop any of this overnight, but the current one is taking us in completely the wrong direction and each step is killing hope among the voiceless ones at the bottom of the heap.

      We know what the story is, it’s 30 years of a few rich pricks skewing the game, parasitically looting from the common fabric of society and pretending that their theft makes them better than us.

      Call it the politics of anger…

  7. just saying 7

    Given the strength of feeling that my comment about ‘the many not the few’ aroused, I’d like to say, for the record, that I am not wringing my hands with worry about the slogan. It doesn’t keep me up at night, and when I first heard it I thought it was a step in the right (left) direction.

    But I can’t help feeling that maybe my unease with it was justified, at least a little bit.

    Maybe I’m taking this out of context but “F#ck the Few” is something I do worry about in the politics of the left, when the “few” are the most disdained and powerless in the community. All the time I’ve listened to the “do-nothing “smile-and wave” theme and wondered who has to be affected for this governments brutal actions to count as “doing something”.

    This is something I do stand firm on Bright Red, and I don’t drink lattes actually.

    • Lew 7.1

      I think BR’s (and Labour’s) definition of “the few” is the lionised and the powerful, not the disdained and powerless.

      L

  8. just saying 8

    Appealing to ‘F#ck the few’ IS a double edged sword Lew, F#cking the weakest is just the other side of the same coin IMHO, at least as far as the way Labour is acting.
    ‘F#ck the rich pricks’ is the kind of slogan I could get my head around.

    • Lew 8.1

      Trouble with that is people want to be rich. Believing themselves to be “middle class” people figure genuine wealth is just beyond reach. The trick is to appeal to their sense of middle-class-ness without crushing those aspirations.

      That comment by Cullen was probably the most damaging thing he said in a long and illustrious political career, and it’s what many people will remember him for despite hundreds of wittier and more insightful utterances. Part of the reason for this was that it actually didn’t ring true: he imposed a tax at a level not far enough above actual middle-class-ness that many people who should have been staunch Labour supporters began to feel his disdain applied to them, rather than to the real fat cats. National exploited this exceptionally well.

      So if Labour goes down the “fuck the rich pricks” path again (which they won’t) it had better set the threshold bloody high — somewhere around a couple of hundred grand — to as to make a very clear delineation. But even so, permanent growth being what it is, eventually a couple hundred grand could be middle-class as well …

      L

      • RedLogix 8.1.1

        Trouble with that is people want to be rich. Believing themselves to be “middle class’ people figure genuine wealth is just beyond reach.

        Actually when you ask them what they really want is to be rich in family, friends shared values and a sense of achievement in their lives. A sense that they could leave the world a little better than they found it.

        Money is of only partial, limited relevance to this desire.

        So if Labour goes down the “fuck the rich pricks’ path again (which they won’t) it had better set the threshold bloody high — somewhere around a couple of hundred grand

        What Labour really needs to make clear is that we are all more or less in the same boat together, a pack of colonial peasants being farmed by banks for the profit a very few outsiders.

        • Lew 8.1.1.1

          RL, I agree with the first bit — my response lacked nuance. The point remains, though: if you trample peoples’ hopes and dreams of one day becoming rich, they stick their fingers in their ears and go “NYA NYA NYA NYA”, so if you aim to garner their support it’s usually wisest not to do so.

          L

  9. just saying 9

    So, sadly, no-one disagrees that Labour’s Us – the ‘many’, pointedly does not include those at the bottom of the heap.

    Most people never see the suffering of the ‘underclass’ first hand, New Zealanders occupy different worlds more than ever before.

    But ‘the many’ had better be bloody careful they don’t slip, because we are in the same boat, and it’s a lot further to fall than it used to be. Few get back up again.

  10. gingercrush 10

    This post should go in the stupid pile too.

    The post makes a number of assumptions. Fundamentally, the post makes the assumption that the left won budget 2010 and points to a single political poll as evidence. Secondly, talks about how the left’s positioning forced National to make changes in their budget.

    That’s quite a stretch to make. First its one poll from a polling company that the left are quite happy to bash any time the poll disagrees with them yet is now being taken as gospel. I have no problem with the TVNZ poll but I like to see several polls before coming to any conclusions. And I believe neither opinion FOR or opinion AGAINST the budget was reflected in the poll.I just don’t. The budget was released two weeks ago and the poll is expected to reflect such opinion straight away? Hell no. That will take a few months. Secondly, there are several issues the government is currently facing. Mining, Super City, Christchurch and the regional council, discussion from all sides about the budget but previous to the budget and any other issue that may be important to the people who were polled. Therefore, why make such an assumption. That just makes you one of the dickhead politicial columnists you attacked in the post.

    To provide further evidence you point to online opinion polls. Are you serious? We’re not taking those to provide credibility. Well here’s one:

    Stuff.co.nz online poll.
    Are you happy with the personal tax cuts outlined in this budget?

    54.4 Yes
    11.5 No
    34.2 GST negates tax cuts
    18, 319 votes

    Now I won’t be taking that poll serious but if we’re going to use any poll as evidence. Then there you go Marty G. People are in favour of the budget.

    Do the right have a desire for long term changes to tax? Yes. Do they have want a far bigger flat tax system. Yes. But most on the right understand that can’t happen straight away. Therefore I don’t buy your argument of 27% or 25% etc. Yes its desirable for New Zealand to have that in the future. But that would never happen over one budget. To do so would be absurd. Therefore your argument here fails.

    The left were pushing for no GST rise. Instead we did get a GST rise and not only that but its rather clear Labour realise they won’t be changing GST down to 12.5% when they get back into the government. Therefore, that is a win for National.

    But more importantly, any time there is a focus on tax cuts and even the left are talking about tax cuts. You know National is in a good position. That is why I disagree wholly with your post. The left lost Budget 2010 and its not because of popularity which from where I sit looks mixed. Its not from what the pundits are saying. Its because ultimately in all the screaming and shouting the left were doing and continue doing. National still managed to implement tax cuts to the top earners and have done in where reversing those tax cuts will be more difficult. And even Goff and others are saying the threshold should be lifted to 100, 000. Meaning if and when Labour get back into government they’ve said they’ll make such changes. They’ve lifted the GST rise and its clear cutting that GST is going to be more difficult. But its also a smart move because as more and more people in this country don’t get income taxed that will be someway offset by the changes in GST. That’s important and why a consumption tax is actually good for this country.

    We’re in a situation where the work force is shrinking. That means the government of the day and future will still need to get tax. How best than to do it via GST which everyone pays. Labour are talking about how they would have done bigger tax cuts for middle income earners (and rather noticeable they barely mention low income earners) and the Greens are talking a $10, 000 tax-free threshold.

    In other words the politics of today and politics in 2011 is going to be around tax. Labour are stupid to go down this path. They were stupid to it when in government and they’re stupid now. That’s why when budget day arrived Labour were rather gazumped and took a few days to even come up with coherent arguments. Yet still to this day they’re rather incoherent. Therefore, it is utterly stupid for you and anyone else to talk about the left won this budget when you didn’t. Because the fact we’re all talking tax cuts means the left is less focused on policy issues elsewhere. And on that front National don’t do well.

    Budget 2010 was very successful for National and the centre-right. Tax cuts will be a huge focus in 2011. GST at 15% is here to stay. Even when the left gets back in we’re highly unlikely to see tax cuts be as high as 38% again and even then the threshold is going to go up. National implemented changes to depreciation so less businesses and individuals will get tax back that way. It also successfully sees National doing something about New Zealand’s investment in property without the need for a capital gains or lands tax. Some ways of paying less tax have been removed and there will be less need for trusts etc. All the while the budget has seen smaller increases in government spending (something the right desires) that have on the whole gone unmissed.

    And the left won the Budget 2010. No Marty G the left lost big time.

    • RedLogix 10.1

      Therefore I don’t buy your argument of 27% or 25% etc. Yes its desirable for New Zealand to have that in the future.

      Why? NZ already has the second lowest total income taxes in the developed world. The only country lower than us is Mexico.

      On what possible grounds do you believe we should become the lowest? I’m serious, I really wonder why you believe this.

      • gingercrush 10.1.1

        Because I believe in a tax system where tax on income should be low while consumption taxes are higher. That way people actively want higher incomes because they will in the end pay less on that tax if we have a flatter tax system. I also believe that if you remove the different tax levels in trusts, company and personal tax you’ll see less people avoiding paying tax. This government hasn’t done enough in that area. Nor have they included a tax-free threshold which I’d also like to see. I’d also like to see no tax on savings or investments under $150, 000. I’m not excited about a capital/lands tax though I do think the current system we have is problematic in this area. I too as most on the right prefer less government spending. As for the ability in this country to set up trusts, LAQCs and all other multiple things. We need major change in that area.

        • RedLogix 10.1.1.1

          Well that’s a decent good faith answer worth unpacking a bit.

          Because I believe in a tax system where tax on income should be low while consumption taxes are higher.

          The reason why progressive income taxation is common in most civilised countries stems from several considerations:

          1. The most important is that wealth is not something generated in isolation. All genuinely rich people derive their income not from their own personal sweat or skills, but because a functioning society allows them to leverage ideas, opportunity and risk into disproportionately massive fortunes..fortunes they could never amass as an isolated individual. Therefore their debt to society is proportionately much larger than it is for the rest of us.

          2. By contrast consumption is within an order of magnitude, more or less the same for everyone. We can each only eat, wear and consume just so much …beyond that the money is directed not so much towards consumption…but towards generating more money. Consumption taxes are inherently regressive, in other words they are a larger portion of a poorer person’s expenditure than a wealthy person’s.

          That way people actively want higher incomes because they will in the end pay less on that tax if we have a flatter tax system

          Nah. I just cannot see it. A higher gross income equals a higher after tax income in all cases (setting aside for the moment specific cases where high marginal tax rates might apply.) Countries with much higher total income tax rates (the OECD average is 36%, while ours is barely 22%) seem to have plenty of people who have achieved very high incomes…far more so than is common in NZ.

          I also believe that if you remove the different tax levels in trusts, company and personal tax you’ll see less people avoiding paying tax.

          Again doesn’t seem to apply in most other countries. As has said before, why reward those who cheat on their taxes, by removing the tax? It’s like the referee in a football match giving up on blowing his whistle because one side persisently breaks the rules. No-one would accept that as fair.

          Besides the other obvious response is that while making a huge talking point of just this rather weak argument, the govt quietly went and reduced company tax rates to 28% …still leaving just as much incentive for the same cheating to go on.

          I too as most on the right prefer less government spending.

          Well yes… but again the right is very good at making noises about this, but when in power find the reality of actually governing rather different. The fact is that in order to make any realistic cut in govt expenditure they have to slash at least one of the big four line items, superannuation, health, education and welfare. And three of them are political suicide….which is why the burden of your dreams always lands on those who can least afford to support it.

    • zonk 10.2

      Go by a scientifically conducted poll like the one of TVNZ
      most NZers believe they will be worse off after the budget

  11. gingercrush 11

    Because the Left has successfully proved that the tax swindle takes money from the pockets of working New Zealand and gives it to the rich elite (a fact that fits very nicely with Labour’s emerging vision: ‘for the many, not the few’). Kiwis are not buying National’s spin and the silly excuses about aligning tax rates and supposedly boosting growth, they see a swindle.

    61% said the budget was good for the economy and 51% against 40% said the budget was fair. 53% also said they did not think the tax cuts would make them better off. Do they see a swindle when more people think the budget was fair than wasn’t fair and clearly they see it boosting growth considering 61% said so.

  12. Jim Nald 12

    The mark of a successful swindle is it is not detected by the many … not at first.

  13. rainman 13

    “For the many, not the few” has been bugging me for a while, and I have figured out why.

    The phrase seems to be Brian Nicolle’s work – p47 of The Hollow Men quotes a fax from Nicolle to Brash, from 25 October 2003, before the leadership vote that installed Brash:
    His ‘Tactical Plans’ included purchasing full-page advertisements in the main cities on the (presumed) day before the vote, headed ‘An Open Letter to all New Zealanders’ and ‘Why I want to be Leader of the National Party’ – subtitled ‘For the Future Not the Past, For the Many Not the Few’.

    Captcha: worries. Indeed.

    It’s a fine sentiment, of course – but of questionable provenance.

  14. David Cunliffe 14

    Top job MartyG. Loved the argument and the graphic! DC

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  • Initial Mental Health and Wellbeing Commission report shows progress
    Health Minister Andrew Little welcomes the Initial Mental Health and Wellbeing Commission’s assessment that transformation of New Zealand’s approach to mental health and addiction is underway. “This is an important step in the Government’s work to provide better and equitable mental health and wellbeing outcomes for all people in New ...
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    14 hours ago
  • Over $300m returned to COVID-hit travellers
    The Government’s Consumer Travel Reimbursement Scheme has helped return over $352 million of refunds and credits to New Zealanders who had overseas travel cancelled due to COVID-19, Consumer Affairs Minister David Clark says. “Working with the travel sector, we are helping New Zealanders retrieve the money owed to them by ...
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    1 day ago
  • Hundreds more schools join free lunches programme
    An additional 88,000 students in 322 schools and kura across the country have started the school year with a regular lunch on the menu, thanks to the Government’s Ka Ora, Ka Ako Healthy School Lunches programme. They join 42,000 students already receiving weekday lunches under the scheme, which launched last ...
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    1 day ago
  • Govt’s balanced economic approach reflected in Crown accounts
    New Zealand’s economic recovery has again been reflected in the Government’s books, which are in better shape than expected. The Crown accounts for the seven months to the end of January 2021 were better than forecast in the Half Year Economic and Fiscal Update (HYEFU). The operating balance before gains ...
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    2 days ago
  • Over half of border workforce receive first vaccinations
    More than half of New Zealand’s estimated 12,000 border workforce have now received their first vaccinations, as a third batch of vaccines arrive in the country, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins says. As of midnight Tuesday, a total of 9,431 people had received their first doses. More than 70 percent ...
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    2 days ago
  • Boost in funding to deliver jobs while restoring Central Otago’s lakes and waterways
    The Government is significantly increasing its investment in restoring Central Otago’s waterways while at the same time delivering jobs to the region hard-hit by the economic impact of Covid-19, says Land Information Minister, Damien O’Connor.   Mr O’Connor says two new community projects under the Jobs for Nature funding programme will ...
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    2 days ago
  • Next stage of COVID-19 support for business and workers
    The Government has confirmed details of COVID-19 support for business and workers following the increased alert levels due to a resurgence of the virus over the weekend. Following two new community cases of COVID-19, Auckland moved to Alert Level 3 and the rest of New Zealand moved to Alert Level ...
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    3 days ago
  • Govt committed to hosting Rugby World Cup
    The Government remains committed to hosting the Women’s Rugby World Cup in New Zealand in 2022 should a decision be made by World Rugby this weekend to postpone this year’s tournament. World Rugby is recommending the event be postponed until next year due to COVID-19, with a final decision to ...
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    3 days ago
  • Support Available for Communities affected by COVID-19
    Community and social service support providers have again swung into action to help people and families affected by the current COVID-19 alert levels. “The Government recognises that in many instances social service, community, iwi and Whānau Ora organisations are best placed to provide vital support to the communities impacted by ...
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    3 days ago
  • Govt announces review into PHARMAC
    The Government is following through on an election promise to conduct an independent review into PHARMAC, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Health Minister Andrew Little announced today. The Review will focus on two areas: How well PHARMAC performs against its current objectives and whether and how its performance against these ...
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    4 days ago
  • Impressive response to DOC scholarship programme
    Some of the country’s most forward-thinking early-career conservationists are among recipients of a new scholarship aimed at supporting a new generation of biodiversity champions, Conservation Minister Kiri Allan says. The Department of Conservation (DOC) has awarded one-year postgraduate research scholarships of $15,000 to ten Masters students in the natural ...
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    4 days ago
  • Speech to ANZLF Virtual Indigenous Business Trade and Connections Event
    I acknowledge our whānau overseas, joining us from Te Whenua Moemoeā, and I wish to pay respects to their elders past, present, and emerging. Thank you for the opportunity to speak with you all today. I am very pleased to be part of the conversation on Indigenous business, and part ...
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    4 days ago
  • Main benefits to increase in line with wages
    Social Development and Employment Minister Carmel Sepuloni announced today that main benefits will increase by 3.1 percent on 1 April, in line with the rise in the average wage. The Government announced changes to the annual adjustment of main benefits in Budget 2019, indexing main benefit increases to the average ...
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    5 days ago
  • Deed of Settlement signed with Ngāti Maru (Taranaki)
    A Deed of Settlement has been signed between Ngāti Maru and the Crown settling the iwi’s historical Treaty of Waitangi claims, Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations Andrew Little announced today. The Ngāti Maru rohe is centred on the inland Waitara River valley, east to the Whanganui River and its ...
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    6 days ago
  • Support in place for people connected to Auckland COVID-19 cases
    With a suite of Government income support packages available, Minister for Social Development and Employment Carmel Sepuloni is encouraging people, and businesses, connected to the recent Auckland COVID-19 cases to check the Work and Income website if they’ve been impacted by the need to self-isolate. “If you are required to ...
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    6 days ago
  • Statement on passing of former PNG PM Sir Michael Somare
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has expressed her condolences at the passing of long-serving former Prime Minister of Papua New Guinea, Grand Chief Sir Michael Somare. “Our thoughts are with Lady Veronica Somare and family, Prime Minister James Marape and the people of Papua New Guinea during this time of great ...
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    1 week ago
  • Speech to the National Māori Housing Conference 2021
    E te tī, e te tā  Tēnei te mihi maioha ki a koutou  Ki te whenua e takoto nei  Ki te rangi e tū iho nei  Ki a tātou e tau nei  Tēnā tātou.  It’s great to be with you today, along with some of the ministerial housing team; Hon Peeni Henare, the ...
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    1 week ago
  • Drone project to aid protection of Māui dolphin
    The Government is backing a new project to use drone technology to transform our understanding and protection of the Māui dolphin, Aotearoa’s most endangered dolphin.    “The project is just one part of the Government’s plan to save the Māui dolphin. We are committed to protecting this treasure,” Oceans and Fisheries ...
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    1 week ago
  • New water regulator board announced as major Government reform moves forward
    Major water reform has taken a step closer with the appointment of the inaugural board of the Taumata Arowai water services regulator, Hon Nanaia Mahuta says. Former Director General of Health and respected public health specialist Dame Karen Poutasi will chair the inaugural board of Crown agency Taumata Arowai. “Dame ...
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    1 week ago
  • North Auckland gets public transport upgrade
    The newly completed Hibiscus Coast Bus Station will help people make better transport choices to help ease congestion and benefit the environment, Transport Minister Michael Wood and Auckland Mayor Phil Goff said today. Michael Wood and Phil Goff officially opened the Hibiscus Coast Bus Station which sits just off the ...
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    1 week ago
  • Supporting work to protect Northland reserve
    New funding announced by Conservation Minister Kiri Allan today will provide work and help protect the unique values of Northland’s Te Ārai Nature Reserve for future generations. Te Ārai is culturally important to Te Aupōuri as the last resting place of the spirits before they depart to Te Rerenga Wairua. ...
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    1 week ago
  • Critical step to new housing deal for Pacific communities
      Today the Government has taken a key step to support Pacific people to becoming Community Housing providers, says the Minister for Pacific Peoples, Aupito William Sio. “This will be great news for Pacific communities with the decision to provide Pacific Financial Capability Grant funding and a tender process to ...
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    1 week ago
  • Consultation opens on proposed Bay of Islands marine mammal sanctuary
    Conservation Minister Kiri Allan is encouraging New Zealanders to have their say on a proposed marine mammal sanctuary to address the rapid decline of bottlenose dolphins in Te Pēwhairangi, the Bay of Islands. The proposal, developed jointly with Ngā Hapū o te Pēwhairangi, would protect all marine mammals of the ...
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    1 week ago
  • Three District Court Judges appointed
    Attorney-General David Parker today announced the appointment of three new District Court Judges.    Two of the appointees will take up their roles on 1 April, replacing sitting Judges who have reached retirement age.     Kirsten Lummis, lawyer of Auckland has been appointed as a District Court Judge with jury jurisdiction to ...
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    1 week ago
  • Government announces list of life-shortening conditions guaranteeing early KiwiSaver access
    Government announces list of life-shortening conditions guaranteeing early KiwiSaver access The Government changed the KiwiSaver rules in 2019 so people with life-shortening congenital conditions can withdraw their savings early The four conditions guaranteed early access are – down syndrome, cerebral palsy, Huntington’s disease and fetal alcohol spectrum disorder An alternative ...
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    1 week ago
  • Reserve Bank to take account of housing in decision making
    The Reserve Bank is now required to consider the impact on housing when making monetary and financial policy decisions, Grant Robertson announced today. Changes have been made to the Bank’s Monetary Policy Committee’s remit requiring it to take into account government policy relating to more sustainable house prices, while working ...
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    1 week ago
  • Investment to reduce cochlear implant waitlist
    The Labour Government will invest $6 million for 70 additional adult cochlear implants this year to significantly reduce the historical waitlist, Health Minister Andrew Little says. “Cochlear implants are life changing for kiwis who suffer from severe hearing loss. As well as improving an individual’s hearing, they open doors to ...
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    1 week ago
  • Māori wards Bill passes third reading
    The Local Electoral (Māori Wards and Māori Constituencies) Amendment Bill passed its third reading today and will become law, Minister of Local Government Hon Nanaia Mahuta says. “This is a significant step forward for Māori representation in local government. We know how important it is to have diversity around ...
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    1 week ago
  • Government delivers 1,000 more transitional housing places
    The Government has added 1,000 more transitional housing places as promised under the Aotearoa New Zealand Homelessness Action Plan (HAP), launched one year ago. Minister of Housing Megan Woods says the milestone supports the Government’s priority to ensure every New Zealander has warm, dry, secure housing. “Transitional housing provides people ...
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    1 week ago
  • Second batch of Pfizer/BioNTech doses arrives safely – as the first vaccinations take place in the...
    A second batch of Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines arrived safely yesterday at Auckland International Airport, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins says. “This shipment contained about 76,000 doses, and follows our first shipment of 60,000 doses that arrived last week. We expect further shipments of vaccine over the coming weeks,” Chris Hipkins said. ...
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    1 week ago
  • $18 million for creative spaces to make arts more accessible
    The Minister for Arts, Culture and Heritage Carmel Sepuloni has today announced $18 million to support creative spaces. Creative spaces are places in the community where people with mental health needs, disabled people, and those looking for social connection, are welcomed and supported to practice and participate in the arts ...
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    1 week ago
  • Moriori Claims Settlement Bill passes first reading
    Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations Minister Andrew Little today welcomed Moriori to Parliament to witness the first reading of the Moriori Claims Settlement Bill. “This bill is the culmination of years of dedication and hard work from all the parties involved. “I am delighted to reach this significant milestone today,” Andrew ...
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    1 week ago
  • Government action reduces child poverty
    22,400 fewer children experiencing material hardship 45,400 fewer children in low income households on after-housing costs measure After-housing costs target achieved a year ahead of schedule Government action has seen child poverty reduce against all nine official measures compared to the baseline year, Prime Minister and Minister for Child Poverty ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Entries open for the 2021 Prime Minister’s Education Excellence Awards
    It’s time to recognise the outstanding work early learning services, kōhanga reo, schools and kura do to support children and young people to succeed, Minister of Education Chris Hipkins says. The 2021 Prime Minister’s Education Excellence Awards are now open through until April 16. “The past year has reminded us ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Jobs for Nature benefits three projects
    Three new Jobs for Nature projects will help nature thrive in the Bay of Plenty and keep local people in work says Conservation Minister Kiri Allan. “Up to 30 people will be employed in the projects, which are aimed at boosting local conservation efforts, enhancing some of the region’s most ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Improvements to the Holidays Act on the way
    The Government has accepted all of the Holidays Act Taskforce’s recommended changes, which will provide certainty to employers and help employees receive their leave entitlements, Workplace Relations and Safety Minister Michael Wood announced today. Michael Wood said the Government established the Holidays Act Taskforce to help address challenges with the ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • NZ’s credit rating lifted as economy recovers
    The Government’s handling of the COVID-19 pandemic and faster than expected economic recovery has been acknowledged in today’s credit rating upgrade. Credit ratings agency Standard & Poor’s (S&P) today raised New Zealand’s local currency credit rating to AAA with a stable outlook. This follows Fitch reaffirming its AA+ rating last ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Speech to National Remembrance Service on the 10th anniversary of the Christchurch earthquake
    Tena koutou e nga Maata Waka Ngai Tuahuriri, Ngai Tahu whanui, Tena koutou. Nau mai whakatau mai ki tenei ra maumahara i te Ru Whenua Apiti hono tatai hono, Te hunga mate ki te hunga mate Apiti hono tatai hono, Te hunga ora ki te hunga ora Tena koutou, Tena ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Government reaffirms urgent commitment to ban harmful conversion practices
    The Minister of Justice has reaffirmed the Government’s urgent commitment, as stated in its 2020 Election Manifesto, to ban conversion practices in New Zealand by this time next year. “The Government has work underway to develop policy which will bring legislation to Parliament by the middle of this year and ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • New creative service aims to benefit 1,000 peoples’ careers
    Minister for Arts, Culture and Heritage and Social Development Hon Carmel Sepuloni today launched a new Creative Careers Service, which is expected to support up to 1,000 creatives, across three regions over the next two years. The new service builds on the most successful aspects of the former Pathways to ...
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    2 weeks ago