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Jacindamania – international edition

Written By: - Date published: 9:45 am, August 25th, 2017 - 137 comments
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It can’t be many tiny countries that have a leader of the opposition make positive international headlines, but Jacinda Ardern has managed it. Sydney Morning Herald:

Jacinda Ardern: a breath of fresh air from New Zealand

Something amazing has been happening in New Zealand.

At the start of August, the country’s Labour opposition was facing electoral annihilation. Opinion polls had support for the party at about 24 per cent, which was so horrifying it prompted Labour leader Andrew Little to quit, just two months out from a general election.

Into this great void stepped Little’s deputy Jacinda Ardern, who worked in the UK’s Cabinet and Home offices before she was elected to New Zealand’s Parliament in 2008 and deputy party leader earlier this year.

And yet, fast forward three weeks and New Zealand is gripped by the “Jacinda Effect”.

Labour’s standing in the polls has leapt to 37 per cent, putting the party in with a genuine chance against the conservative National Party. Ardern is already earning comparisons to Justin Trudeau, Emmanuel Macron and Barack Obama as the opposition is flooded with support. In the 10 days after Ardern took over the leadership, Labour reportedly received almost $500,000 in donations with some 3500 volunteers coming forward. …

The Guardian:

New Zealand gripped by ‘Jacindamania’ as new Labour leader soars in polls

Charisma and a refreshing openness are helping Jacinda Ardern close the gap on Bill English

“The Jacinda effect, also known as ‘Jacindamania’, has been looming for a long time because she is a politician who has been a rising star, and someone with a strong X-factor and charismatic personality for a few years now.”

“At this point the Labour party seems to have gone from a grey old party with a lot of doom and gloom about them, to a party of Corbynesque excitement; and similar support,” he said, referring to the unexpectedly strong electoral showing by the UK Labour party in June under Jeremy Corbyn.

Ardern, 37, a sometime DJ who said she’d like New Zealand band Fat Freddy’s Drop to play at parliament if she was elected as PM, has been compared to other “rock-star” politicians around the world, including Justin Trudeau, Tony Blair, former New Zealand prime minister John Key – and even Barack Obama.

But Jennifer Lees-Marshment, associate professor of the school of politics and international relations at Auckland University, believes there is depth to Ardern’s success that goes beyond charisma. She has what every politician craves: people trust her.

“What Jacinda has is not just rock-star appeal,” said Lees-Marshment.

“Jacinda, Trudeau, Tony Blair, John Key, even Obama. They have a real ability to connect with people. They speak about the issues people really care about and then they speak about what they can do about it – they’re aspirational. And they are aware of the deep fears and concerns out there – but they are hopeful. They offer positivity to the negativity of problems.” …

Not bad reviews!


Locally yesterday:

137 comments on “Jacindamania – international edition ”

  1. For the Left – Jacindamania!!!
    For the Right – Jacindaphobia!
    Both create heat; invigorating and uplifting for the “maniacs”, withering and desiccating for the phobics. 32% prefer Jacinda over Bill to lead the country! Already! Astonishing!
    Wither away, phobics!

    • patricia bremner 1.1

      Jacinda obviously impressed other Leaders and was encouraged and she worked incredibly hard and rose through the ranks.

      Fortunately, Labour had Andrew Little’s Team building to give a sound foundation on which she is shining.

      Jacinda and Andrew’s hug at the Auckland rally said it all. Empathy trust and respect. Qualities we have hungered for.

      Jacinda repesents our better more hopeful inclusive selves. Long may it continue.

      Labour has managed to bring about change while in opposition, now watch them in Government.

      • WILD KATIPO 1.1.1

        I like the way Andrew Little was honoured, twice, receiving applause from all , and then secondly when Adern hugged Little. Both times he recieved loud applause .

        Because its recognized that it was by and large Little who brought cohesion between the various factions , and did so in a quiet way,… he demonstrated his expertise in negotiating and creating group unity , setting the stage for Adern.

        And I think people gained even more enthusiasm for Labour in seeing that honouring. Maybe a small point , but it showed a sense of values and unity in of itself and people want that in a govt.

      • North 1.1.2

        Music in your comment there patricia bremner ! Thank you. See that picture with the kids. Wow !

    • Agora 1.2

      I have a problem with “Jacindmania”.

      Mania involves irrational extremes of emotion.

      There is nothing irrational about enthusiam for a change of of policy under a Labour government led by Ms. Jacinda Adern.

  2. esoteric pineapples 2

    I think this shows how important a popular leader is to a party’s fortunes

    • Carolyn_nth 3.1

      Interesting analysis by Gould. It is very good to see that NACT are going down, and that the government will change this year.

      I agree that personality and personal popularity are useful to the left, but they alone are not sufficient for a strong left wing political party…

      …nor even are specific policies; but the underlying values are very important in the long term.

      I have seen popular leaders come and go internationally, raising hopes for profound change for the people, and especially for those on low incomes, and otherwise at the margins of society. But, long term, such hopes are never really realised, and in some ways, have been completely dashed.

      Other leaders I have seen internationally, who have engendered a lot of excitement and popular following, only to disappoint: Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, Barack Obama. And they have been followed by even more brutal right wing governments.

      I was also reading this today, about the contradictory appeal and performance of left wing parties (from a socialist perspective).

      Ultimately, in deciding who to vote for, I don’t follow the leaders with the most popular media coverage (anyway, we don’t vote for leaders, we vote for parties, their policies, values and list candidates; and we vote for electorate MPs).

      And for the left to be strong in the future, we need a strong flax-roots left movement, and not just give over leadership to politicians.

      • Adrian Thornton 3.1.1

        Thanks Carolyn_nth for a bit of down to earth sensible balance in your comment.

        I guess we will just have to hurry up and wait to see how JA pans out, but I thought mentioning Bill Clinton, Tony Blair and Barack Obama in your comment is feeling about the right fit from what I have seen and heard so far.

        Good link too, it should get published in it’s entirety on this forum to create an interesting debate.

      • marty mars 3.1.2

        The disappointments of the past don’t guarantee disappointments in the future. Might be time to sit back and allow the future to unfold then deal with what happens instead of the fear. I say that with compassion for the dissapointments we have all experienced politically. And even though im cynical in general im trying to apply this now.

        • Carolyn_nth 3.1.2.1

          In the past I’ve sat back and watched hopefully. Why would I keep setting myself up for disappointment when I see same warning signs,. And there are counter-balancing left wing alternatives to jumping on the latest bandwagon – especially a bandwagon the likes of Gower seem to be encouraging?

          • marty mars 3.1.2.1.1

            So you’re going to keep voicing your concerns to those that enthusiastically support her and you will vote for a different party. Okay, seems slightly negative and not in alignment with getting rid of the gnats to me but everyone makes their choices and I respect that.

    • patricia bremner 3.2

      No, Jacinda is special.

      When did John Key show empathy trust and respect????

      • Carolyn_nth 3.2.1

        Still waiting to find out in Ardern’s case. Was not encouraged by her distancing herself from Turei and the beneficiaries she spoke for. Nor when she announced not reversing tax cuts to the top earners.

  3. Anne 4

    Among the clutter of boring billboards the new Labour bill-board shines out like the morning star. It is taller and narrower than the obligatory 4 by 4 we usually see, and features a glowing Jacinda dressed in muted shades of white and beige with pale pink surroundings and bright red lettering. The other polly parties might as well remove theirs for all the notice anyone is going to take of them. 😉

    Labour appear to finally have the right people who know how to run a successfull campaign – she says crossing her fingers tightly.

    • alwyn 4.1

      There is one just down the road from my home. It proclaims the most B*S claim I have ever seen on an election poster. It makes a very simple and completely unqualified claim
      “Free Education”.

      I have often thought I would like to do another course of study. I think I shall go to University and do a music degree. I want to study Baroque music from the 17th century. Now I am at least partially retired I will have the time and clearly, if the Labour Party are not lying in this ad, there will be no fees charged for any education I might choose to undertake. After all, their promise is that it will be “FREE”.
      It must be true.The new shining light of the left wouldn’t be lying would she?

      • Muttonbird 4.1.1

        There will be night classes for seniors which is probably what you’re looking at. Talking books and stuff like that.

        • Siobhan 4.1.1.1

          “Reinstate funding for programmes – like night classes “…probably the best thing I’ve heard all week….night classes are probably one of the few places in our society where people of all classes, and ethnicities, and genders, and ages, can sit side by side as equals, all there to learn and listen.

          Its called building Community Cohesion…a concept entirely foreign to the National Party, who are unable to think beyond rugby games, flag referendums and badly made pizza.

          • lprent 4.1.1.1.1

            …night classes are probably one of the few places in our society where people of all classes, and ethnicities, and genders, and ages, can sit side by side as equals, all there to learn and listen.

            Works too. Night school was how my mother managed to go back to school in the 1960s while in her late 20s after she’d had 3 kids to get UE and the confidence to go and do a BA. Bets damn thing that ever happened to her. She then went on to head into running HR. She was the first of my extended family to do tertiary, but certainly not the last.

            The effect was just as great on me. It was the direct reason why I went off and did a degree and in particular a science degree. After sitting through her lectures and reading all of her books, there was no way I was going to do anything you couldn’t statistically measure to a reasonable significance level with a reasonable sample size.

            Anyway, it is pretty easy to see why National wanted to kick that second chance educational ladder away. It caused their precious children problems because their basic incompetence became somewhat more apparent when exposed to competition.

        • Robert Guyton 4.1.1.2

          Muttonbird – elegant slight, deftly delivered.

      • I have often thought I would like to do another course of study. I think I shall go to University and do a music degree. I want to study Baroque music from the 17th century.

        I’ll look forward to your first album/doctoral thesis.

        For some strange reason you seem to think that you shouldn’t be able to up-skill yourself just because you’re nearing retirement. Personally, I think that’s a great time to do so.

        In fact, I consider learning something that should be done throughout a person’s life and that our present system the prevents that learning is a gross stupidity.

      • McFlock 4.1.3

        Are you sure you can Handel it?

      • Agora 4.1.4

        Alwyn, it is just what you need for premature dementia.

        You won’t find it in Bill’s nationalist party (nationalism being the last refuge of the scoundrel).

        • alwyn 4.1.4.1

          “premature dementia”.
          You are recommending this are you?
          Oh dear, I feel so sorry for you. Do you find it is helping to slow down the progression of the disease or are you succumbing just as fast?

      • Stuart Munro 4.1.5

        Try U3A – everyone in it loves it.

      • Bob (Northland) 4.1.6

        Rather different to ” free” Model Sheep Farms in the desert of Saudi Arabia, or “free” $36 million flag referendums, or “free” Irrigation Schemes for privately owned Dairy Farms, to name but a few “free” items offered by this current Government which add nothing to our Country.

  4. Enough is Enough 5

    Do we really need to be involving ourselves in this mania r0b?

    We all hope that the left wins this election but surely want it to be on the back of great policy and the team rather than this media frenzy and cult of personality.

    • Muttonbird 5.1

      What do you mean ‘we’? I thought you were a RWNJ. Apologies if I have you confused with someone else.

    • Anne 5.2

      Since we spent nine years putting up with a media and cult of personality frenzy over John Key, we are entitled to a little satisfaction watching the sycophantic media go into a free falling love-in over Jacinda Ardern. But in the end it will be policy that counts and Labour has some very good policies to back up the Jacinda effect. It just takes time to filter through to the pundits and voters.

    • Macro 5.3

      Hear! Hear!
      I certainly don’t see any great leap to the left occurring after the 23 Sep – just more of the same brought to you with a friendly smile.
      As for the poor and dispossessed……
      Well we haven’t heard much about them in the past few weeks.
      Meanwhile – here in Thames – the foodbank is running 6% above last year’s record numbers, and is at capacity. The out look for Christmas – when demand peaks – is grim, and the with the recent loss of 100+ jobs from the A&G Price closure, things will deteriorate even further.

      • WILD KATIPO 5.3.1

        In general lower waged / unemployed people will be doing far better under Labour than National. It may not be the massive sweeping changes we would like at first , but I would say it will be an improvement. I also believe this is why it is crucial to have the Greens right alongside Labour. For those very concerns you mention the Greens will be essential.

        • Macro 5.3.1.1

          Have you any evidence for the assertion that the lower waged will be better off?
          Their current policy is to raise the minimum wage by…….
          wait for it…..
          75 cents!
          whopp de shit!
          Even National managed 50 cents on occassions.
          And as for those unable to work?
          Well a $750 heating allowance – that’s if they can find a home to heat in the first place.
          Nope the outlook for the most vulnerable in our society remains equally bleak.
          Simply put Labour – don’t care.
          We knew that immediately when Jacinda threw Metiria under the bus.
          For Labour it’s all about bums on seats, and frankly I haven’t any more time for them.

          • WILD KATIPO 5.3.1.1.1

            Here’s another thing, – Labour will need the Greens. And the Greens now have an unwritten mandate from many people to raise wages. Combine that with Labour, and there’s a strong chance that over a term we will see significant raising of wages to more realistic levels. Particularly in light of exorbitant rents/ homelessness.

            Unlike face value soothsaying and crystal ball gazing , – Im looking at this next govt holistically. And despite Metiria ‘ being thrown under the bus ‘ , the discussion is now out there.

            And Labour will be wanting to be seen as far away from National party negativity in that area as possible. There are no short fixes. Only the long game.

            We have had 3 decades of at sometimes , – incredibly viscous neo liberalism. Particularly during the 1980’s and 1990’s when the foundations and precedents we experience now were set.

            That neo lib framework is not going to be torn down overnight. You only have to see the pugilistic attitude of Seymour to feel the resistance building against what they perceive as deviating from their well feathered plans for elitism. I cite the incident of Seymour abusing a long time NZ First member when mention was made of re-nationalizing a former SOE. We can only expect more of that , – and far more subtle forms of that aggressive behavior if changes were to start happening.

            Have you ever watched wolves hunt ?

            If a moose stands its ground they move on and look for easier prey. If they get it running they know they will eventually succeed in exhausting their prey. And getting the herd running means they see the animals that are weak…

            Getting the conversation started and moving about poverty , homelessness, housing crisis , low wages , unrealistic rent levels is the very first part of getting the herd running.

            After that it is time to select a target and move in and exhaust it until victory is assured.

  5. patricia bremner 6

    Personally, it is great to be able to voice basic policy direction so clearly.

    Each of her placards has one. CLEAN RIVERS and so on.

    Most people apparently read the highlights, not the detail … human nature.

  6. Treetop 7

    Jacinda is the complete package, she will deliver and her government will care where National have failed.

    • alwyn 7.1

      Is it true that Labour have dropped their objections to the 90 day trial law?
      There was mention of it in the DomPost this morning.
      Can anyone confirm that it will not be repealed if Labour, supported by NZF should become the Government.

      • Craig H 7.1.1

        They will be reinstating the ability to challenge a dismissal by personal grievance within the 90 days, so I’d say that was effectively killing it.

        • alwyn 7.1.1.1

          Is that what they are proposing?
          The story in Stuff made it seem as if they had dropped all opposition. Perhaps the commentator was being a bit hopeful.

          “In employment relations, Labour has now confirmed that it would not get rid of employment trial periods. The 90-day trial period has been a successful policy for both employers and employees, giving many people a better chance of gaining a job. Labour’s announcement that it would continue this policy if it becomes part of a Government is good news for both employers and employees.”

          From
          https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/96107500/kirk-hope-political-policies-that-help-business-boost-new-zealand-as-a-whole

          • Bill 7.1.1.1.1

            There have always been trial periods. What National removed was the need to follow fair process for the first three months in the event a new employee wasn’t up to scratch.

  7. One Two 8

    Slogans, labels or a ‘breath of fresh air’..

    Will NOT deliver the change required

    It won’t even be the catalyst for the required change!

    Long past time to collectively ‘grow up’…

    • Wensleydale 8.1

      Thanks for that, Negative Nancy. In other news, some of us are hoping for the best, not anticipating the worst. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate is the path to the National Party. Or something.

      • One Two 8.1.1

        To repeat the message which you clearly missed…

        It’s long past time to collectively grow up!

        • Wensleydale 8.1.1.1

          You know repeating yourself just makes you tedious, as opposed to more coherent, right?

      • marty mars 8.1.2

        Yep good point Wd – we anticipate the best, hope for the best, plan for the best AND ensure we are okay if the best doesn’t happen.

    • Vaughn 8.2

      One minus two: Is that you, Bill?

  8. Bill 9

    Decidedly liberal publications celebrate the rise of a temporarily popular centrist. Is that any surprise? And more importantly, is it a sign of anything good?

    Maybe if you thought Trudeau and Macron and Owen Smith were the best things since sliced bread, then yes. Otherwise, no.

    • lol – yeah it’s all a load of shit

      \sarc

      • Bill 9.1.1

        What’s “a load of shit” marty?

        You don’t think swathes of the msm actively promote and/or report positively on centrist politicians? Can you point to any example from the recent past where they’ve actively promoted or reported positively on a politician of the left?

        • McFlock 9.1.1.1

          It’s a fairly glum outlook to suggest that unless we regard Trudeau etc as “the best thing since sliced bread”, any endorsement by the MSM of someone other than a rabid tory cannot be regarded as “anything good”.

          It might not be the second coming, but it’s not all shit.

          • Bill 9.1.1.1.1

            Has Trudeau ended well? Is Macron panning out?

            My point is that msm will generally only endorse some political iteration of the status quo.

            In a fpp electoral system, that might excuse rushing to the banner of a Trudeau or a Macron or an Ardern. But we have mmp, so there’s no need to opt for the “lesser of two evils”

            But if you want a TPPA, then by all means throw a vote at NZ Labour. Or if you want a potential repeat of the foreshore and seabed debacle (water rights, where NZ Labour are completely out of step with other parties on ownership) then throw a vote at NZ Labour. Likewise if you favour no increase to the top tax rate, the removal of deliberations around a CGT from public scrutiny, a wholly inadequate response to housing (badly wrong emphasis that proposes building houses for sale over houses for rent at a ratio of 100:1), an ongoing rift between the supposedly deserving poor and the supposedly undeserving poor (no extension of wff to the unemployed or under-employed)…. You want to throw in compulsory work on minimum wage for the medium term unemployed? We can throw that in too.

            The centrists (Team Robertson) ran a successful coup and captured the moment into the bargain. And the bubble of hope and optimism they’ve generated will probably carry them through to quite high numbers on polling day. But then the bubble’s going to burst, or to change the metaphor, the wheels are going to come off.

            This next government will be a one term government and likely the last overtly liberal government that inflicts itself on NZ. (Or so I hope) So that’s a good thing if that hope’s realised.

            Regardless, I’m picking with a high degree of certainty, that Ardern will, should NZ Labour form the next government, become the most rapidly unpopular Prime Minister NZ has seen

            • McFlock 9.1.1.1.1.1

              Trudeau ran against Harper, didn’t he? And Macron against Le Pen?

              Not the best result, maybe, but but that measure “good”.

              Dunno about one-termitis, but I actually agree with you that politicians who rely too much on joyous hope can only disappoint – Obama, for example. Sanders would have, too.

              I’m not sure Ardern has quite that much cult of personality going, though. Pundits might call it mania, but it’s still only polls in the midthirties.

            • Pat 9.1.1.1.1.2

              an observation….Jacinda Adern has been compared to John Key (a backhanded compliment know) so consider how Keys popularity fared with his supporters when he backtracked on certain promises, watered down down others and governed by the polls….his support base (and an annoying high percentage of swing voters) a) understood and b) recognised they preferred that to the alternative.

              I don’t join you in your high degree of certainty

            • patricia bremner 9.1.1.1.1.3

              Bill, of course you think this, your comments are leaden with doom.

              You think anyone being hopeful is a fool.

              Your gloomy predictions remind me of Eeyore playing Poo Sticks.

              But then I’m a cockeyed optimist, because hoping is better!!!

              • Bill

                The expected end of liberalism isn’t doom. I’ve nothing against hopefulness. In fact I embrace it. But there’s stupid hope and realistic hope. The former is something I’ve no fucking time for whatsoever.

            • patricia bremner 9.1.1.1.1.4

              Macro, Bill … in an interview Jacinda said there were policy announcements still to come in the coming days and weeks.

              No, there has been nothing on the poor except child policy and the winter payments, but many of the policies appear to be complimentary, so I’m awaiting developments … so to speak.

              As for Jacinda becoming one of the most unpopular PMs , this appears to me to have little basis in fact. If she has to do unpopular things, she will engage and explain, that is her style. She will be unpopular with some because she is a clever woman.

              An important message was sent to Grant Robertson, when Jacinda had Andrew put at 3, one place ahead of Grant. It was, that she valued Andrew’s ethics work and help. imo. She did not contrive a take-over … Andrew admitted it might be needed to save the party.

              As to the water issue. Labour and Maori agree it is a Kaitiakitanga /guardianship issue, not ownership. Jacinda is of a modern generation who grasps these concepts.

              The tax issue came after the prefu. They have announced an increase in funding and staff to deal with white collar and multi-national avoidance earlier, and no change to the top tax rate after the prefu.

              She moved swiftly to cut off an attack line about tax. That doesn’t mean it won’t come up in the future if more income is needed.

              To hold and guard for future generations the best of New Zealand by making climate change a basic policy guide is huge.

              So I am quite certain what we are getting is going to be transformational.

            • Treetop 9.1.1.1.1.5

              Thanks for answering 7.

              Macron has gone from 57% – 37%.

              The way I see leadership is, what gets done when elected and not what gets talked about never being done.

              Destroying Housing on all levels will be a legacy of the National government.

        • marty mars 9.1.1.2

          I took – your perception that liberal publications promoting temporarily popular centrists is a load of shit iyo – from your comment – sorry if I have that wrong – do I?

          • Bill 9.1.1.2.1

            All I’m saying is that’s it’s wholly predictable, and from my political perspective, nothing at all to celebrate.

            • marty mars 9.1.1.2.1.1

              I know – that’s why I used the sarc tag – not like last time when you just smartarsedblasted my genuine enquiry.

              • Bill

                Your comments are coming across a bit opaque.

                I took your original comment to be sarcasm aimed at any opinion that might suggest Jacindamania was anything less than wholesome and wonderful.

                My bad…I think.

                • No you were correct – probably my way of putting it – sorry. I took your moan and made a comment “…load of shit” as if agreeing with you and then put /sarc to show that I didn’t agree.

        • Macro 9.1.1.3

          Tend to agree with you there Bill – there will be no great leap to the left after 23 Sep even if a Labour led Govt.
          Labour’s policies are far from earth shattering, and in general watered down Green Policy, and nothing on ending poverty in this country, or any help for the most vulnerable.
          We are getting John Key, again but in a different form.

          • McFlock 9.1.1.3.1

            Nothing on ending poverty, except actually measuring it and putting it alongside the budget and fiscal updates as a measure of government policy.

            So, actually something, then.

            • Macro 9.1.1.3.1.1

              McFlock you and I know – there is only one way to end poverty – and that is to throw some money at it.

              • McFlock

                Indeed.
                but to solve a problem one must first know its extent.

                Expansion to state housing, winter energy supplements for benefits, and so on, are throwing money at the problem. But the reason the tories have gotten away with it for so long is because poverty wasn’t measured in the first place.

                • Macro

                  There are many internationally recognised measures of poverty available and people in NZ have these numbers already, We know the numbers are around 300,000 and rising we don’t need further assessments – we need action.

                  • Bill

                    Something like a 20% increase to core benefits, a hefty bump to the minimum wage, expanding the eligibility of wff to include the under-employed and the unemployed, a new top tax rate to help fund stuff and a complete rewrite of the Employment Relations Act so that NZ employment law aligns with best international standards.

                    That would be a start. And that wouldn’t be anything that NZ Labour is proposing. The Green Party is though….

                    • McFlock

                      So vote green.

                      Of course, the only way they’ll be in the 2018 government is with Labour.

                    • Bill

                      And equally “of course”, the only way NZ Labour’s penchant for liberal policy prescriptions will be moderated is by us inserting a strong Green counter balance to government.

                    • they can’t vote Green if the Greens are likely to work with Labour though can they because that would be pretty much the same as voting Labour and they are the same as the gnats.

                  • McFlock

                    lol

                    You should tell that to Paula Bennett.

                    Having an official government measure linked directly to our so-called economic performance is a significant change in the way government does, and is seen to do, business.

          • marty mars 9.1.1.3.2

            nah Macro I think you are wrong

            there is no such thing as perfect

            this labour is better than the gnats and that actually translates to better outcomes on the ground for people who are suffering – it doesn’t mean than no one will suffer again but that suffering is alleviated for some whereas with the gnats that suffering would still be there.

            sure we can wait for the second coming and wring our hands together for all the people really hurting while we wait – or we can accept the imperfect nature of reality and work with what we have.That is the way to go – any other way is just pretend caring imo.

            • Macro 9.1.1.3.2.1

              it doesn’t mean than no one will suffer again but that suffering is alleviated for some whereas with the gnats that suffering would still be there. I would believe you marty if you could point to onepolicy statement where Labour actually commits to improving to lot of beneficiaries apart from their magnanimous $750 per year heating allowance (if they can afford a home to heat in the first place).

              • McFlock

                State housing expansion
                Genuinely free schooling

                And that’s if you restrict “poverty” to “beneficiaries”, which is incorrect almost half the time. The working poor will get better conditions, end to fire at will, better pay, and elimination of secondary tax (which is a real killer if you’re on 4 different jobe descriptions like I was at one stage).

                Someone recently did a post that consisted of a link to Labour’s policy page, so you wouldn’t have to have it served up on a plate like this.

              • are you sure just ONE will do? it might not be the right one, or not enough of the right one, or my perception of its oneness may be different to yours.

                it is all perception – the policy is being graded and sieved by YOUR perception – change your perception and the policies change – bit like changing the leader and for those who may say – cosmetic, rubbish – when the gnats get kicked out in September that will be a concrete result and I will be happy and then the next day I will be supporting changes to make life better for people and I will be holding to account Labour and the Greens for the delivery of their promises and their promise and because I believe I will be delivered unto.

                • Excellent.

                  … ” when the gnats get kicked out in September that will be a concrete result and I will be happy and then the next day I will be supporting changes to make life better for people and I will be holding to account Labour and the Greens for the delivery of their promises and their promise and because I believe I will be delivered unto ” …

                  This where we are. And we have to work within those parameters. Personally I would far rather have Labour than National . Any-day.

                  And for Macro , … I would say the Greens will be part of that govt. We need them both to keep each other in check . And if they foul up , it is the public’s right to let them know it in no uncertain terms, – just like we would if it were National. After all , this is our country and our govt and we pay their salary’s. We have every right to have a say.

          • patricia bremner 9.1.1.3.3

            Macro, Bill … in an interview Jacinda said there were policy announcements still to come in the coming days and weeks.

            No, there has been nothing on the poor except child policy and the winter payments, but many of the policies appear to be complimentary, so I’m awaiting developments … so to speak.

            As for Jacinda becoming one of the most unpopular PMs , this appears to me to have little basis in fact. If she has to do unpopular things, she will engage and explain, that is her style. She will be unpopular with some because she is a clever woman.

            An important message was sent to Grant Robertson, when Jacinda had Andrew put at 3, one place ahead of Grant. It was, that she valued Andrew’s ethics work and help. imo. She did not contrive a take-over … Andrew admitted it might be needed to save the party.

            As to the water issue. Labour and Maori agree it is a Kaitiakitanga /guardianship issue, not ownership. Jacinda is of a modern generation who grasps these concepts.

            The tax issue came after the prefu. They have announced an increase in funding and staff to deal with white collar and multi-national avoidance earlier, and no change to the top tax rate after the prefu.

            She moved swiftly to cut off an attack line about tax. That doesn’t mean it won’t come up in the future if more income is needed.

            To hold and guard for future generations the best of New Zealand by making climate change a basic policy guide is huge.

            So I am quite certain what we are getting is going to be transformational.

            • Macro 9.1.1.3.3.1

              Patricia – I’m basing my analysis on what Labour has done in the past for the most vulnerable in our society – I’m not talking about the huge strides made by Mickey Savage in the 1930’s I’m talking about the 1980’s – the present.
              Building more social housing will have no discernable effect if rents are not capped at a sustainable level for beneficiaries. This was first removed by National in the 90’s and when given the mandate to amend that Labour didn’t. Paying increasing housing supplements just exacerbates the problem and rewards private landlords.
              The main problem with both National and Labour is that they are still wedded to an economic model that sees the environment as a subset of the economy and not the other way round. They both are of the belief that growing the economic pie will lift all the boats – to mix metaphores. The problem with that “theory” (which I have to concede is the conventional one held by the majority, and in particular the commentariat) is that it is seriously flawed, in that ignores the simple fact that our world is finite.
              The fact that we live in a finite world is one of the fundamental reasons why The Greens stress the need for social justice, because if you cannot have continued growth, then you must ensure that resources are shared equally and according to need.
              It is possible to have prosperity without growth, it just requires a commitment to working towards a more equitable society.

    • Adrian Thornton 9.2

      @Bill, in answer to your original comment.
      An important and obvious point there Bill, an observation that you would assume any critical thinking citizen would instinctively understand…although unfortunately reading through the comments, it seems not.

      • marty mars 9.2.1

        “that you would assume any critical thinking citizen would instinctively understand”

        nice. not. sad.

        edit – delete – I can’t remember and are less interested so I’ve deleted it all mostly.

  9. ianmac 10

    English and Joyce say repeatedly that there is more to the election than the fancy appearances of smiling Jacinda but it is really about policies you know.
    Irony!
    But weren’t the last 9 years clearly about the fancy appearances of smiling John Key?

  10. Ffloyd 11

    Guyon and Susie on NZR this morning sounding very peeved at the rampant VERY negative fedback they are getting from listeners. Guyon in particular very snippy. Must join the Morning chorus. They are certainly spending time and energy over the last few mornings to do as much damage as possible to Jacinda in particular. Commenters on this morning were very derogatory about Jacinda/Labour etc about their supposed lack of information/transperency regarding their tax policies. This is very funny given the last 9 years from National of outright lying, obfuscation, twisted facts and figures retrieved on the fly from the little balloons hovering over their heads, incomprehensible rhetoric and anything else the dullards could cobble together and get away with. But. You know. Strong, stable govt, strong economy , strong support from compliant media and last years Nats were apparently the best govt ever that NZ has ever been had by.
    And now we have Beige Bill with the biggest lie of all. “No, Im not boring”???!!!! Really?
    I think you’re bloody boring Bill. And where have they hidden their secret weapon Paula Bennett. Did I see her in a skit bit on Ben and Jono last night? “Come to Mama” Was that her? Or was I having a bit of a dream while napping on the couch. Whatever, it was scary. We are definitely ready to have some ADULTS running our beautiful country.

    • alwyn 11.1

      “ready to have some ADULTS running our beautiful country”.
      That is certainly a nice thought but the people controlling the Labour leader seem to be very determined to prevent her meeting any adults.

      How many of her meetings have been with school children? Why isn’t she talking to the “ADULTS” you talk about? Are the puppet masters behind Jacinda trying to prevent the public from seeing how shallow is her knowledge of the important topics in New Zealand?

      Is she really just a front for Grant Robertson? Actually, in a way I hope so. If Labour do get to lead a Government it would be quite likely that we could have an effective Government being run by Grant and Winston,

      That was the way the 1980s Labour Government was. With Douglas, Prebble Bassett et al running things New Zealand changed for the better at a very rapid rate. It was only when Lange came out of his slumber for his “cup of tea” that the Labour Government fell apart. He should have followed your example and stayed “having a bit of a dream while napping on the couch”.

      • WILD KATIPO 11.1.1

        …” That was the way the 1980s Labour Government was. With Douglas, Prebble Bassett et al running things New Zealand changed for the better at a very rapid rate ” …

        L0L0L0L0L0L0L0L !

        What ?, … the treasonous wreckers along with the later National party Bolger and Richardson et al ?!!?…

        Are you a complete fool? … or do you not understand history? ,… or are you just some sort of American neo con import paid to troll online ?!!?

        That sort of stupidity needs to be checked right now.

        Read this , – then afterwards spare us any more of your right wing Thule society neo Nazi bullshit. Please !

        New Right Fight – Who are the New Right?
        http://www.newrightfight.co.nz/pageA.html

        Seriously , I get sick of having to rub you right wingers noses in this shit, … and even more sick of you trying to pretend it doesn’t exist.

        Get honest.

      • Ffloyd 11.1.2

        Nothing wrong with going Bach for further education.

      • Ffloyd 11.1.3

        Just watching Beige Bill on news stalking little toddlers for selfies.

    • Ad 11.2

      If Labour haven’t figured out that they are weak on tax by now, they are in for a real treat when English continues to show Ardern up on economic management credentials.

      There is still only a chance that there will be a change of government.

      We are going into under 5% in unemployment (albeit underemployed still high), the economy is only cooling slowly, and the state is continuing to do all it can absorbing labour by pump-priming the construction industries. They have just announced a massive budget surplus and are throwing effective bribes at the regions.

      Ardern will I am sure have learned that she can’t simply combat the economic data with smiles and schoolchildren.

      The test of the above is in the tv debates.

      Four weeks to go and we can start gearing up for the next one.

  11. Ad 12

    If Ardern was Prime Minister in 2017 – that’s a massive and risky IF – we should expect some things to change for the better, and others to stay roughly where they are. That’s about what the country can cope with.

    They are going big on housing and transport and water and health and labour regulation and NZSuper and climate change trading. That is what we should expect.

    They will probably do those things well.

    But it’s not useful to expect much more. Not in one term.

    They will probably make a mess of income and capital gains taxes.
    They will probably not do too well tilting economic productivity.
    They will probably shag about with welfare for a while.
    They will probably do something symbolic and meaningless on immigration.
    They have little capacity on international affairs.
    They will make massive enemies in farming and struggle with that, just like last time.

    I am fully inhaled on ArdernHelium, but we need to be cold and clear about what we are likely to get and what we are not.

    • Anne 12.1

      They have little capacity on international affairs.

      Jesus Ad, are you deliberately trying to bait those on the Left? Labour’s Foreign Affairs track record in government has been way ahead of National. Setting aside the sheep deal scandal, Murray MCCully didn’t do too badly, nor did Winston Peters although the latter was during the Clark regime so that isn’t surprising.

      All National has ever done is meekly play “follow the leader” [the USA]. It has been successive Labour governments who are responsible for the high level of respect – and indeed admiration – NZ still enjoys at an international level. Under Labour we have stood up for what we believe in and done so by way of action as well as words. And it looks like we might be going to do it again over Climate Change if Jacinda wins the top job.

      I can hardly wait to see it happen.

      • Ad 12.1.1

        The Labour track record is great.

        But that’s not “”capacity”. As you well know.
        The current lot of candidates don’t have much chop or ambition in that field.

        • Anne 12.1.1.1

          The current lot of candidates don’t have much chop or ambition in that field.

          You might be right there. I was expecting David Shearer to take over as F.A. minister in the next Lab. Govt. I think he would have been a highly successful given his impressive track record.

          • Ad 12.1.1.1.1

            Should Labour get in, I think they will be an outstanding government.

            And as I noted to some tryhard nitwit ultraleft melancholic yesterday, I will be campaigning to achieve precisely a Labour led government until the very last moment.

    • marty mars 12.2

      so ad your crystal ball is telling you stuff and your years and years of experience are adding to these premonitions – well done you. For me I’m going to wait for the result and then see what happens with an eye to how they are going compared to promises. I’m not going to try and be a futurist.

      I’m so amazed that so many so called lefties are writing this new incoming government off before they have won or even done anything. There is NO justification for that except for fear and fear mongering and the only reason to do that imo is to stop the change of government. You know what? get out of the way – all the gray hairs (metaphorically) can just sit down and have a wee break – the next generation is coming through and they don’t really like the way the place has been left.

      • Ad 12.2.1

        Oh agree with all of that.

        Just want to encourage the hard left to temper their aspirations, should an alternative government form.

        • marty mars 12.2.1.1

          Cool, I agree with that ambition – managing expectations is by far the hardest row to hoe.

        • McFlock 12.2.1.2

          The hard left? Not sure they have any positive expectations for Labour.

          Midleft maybe. But then they’ve dealt with keymania for 9 years so are probably used to media hype.

          • Ad 12.2.1.2.1

            Social Democrats maybe. Centre Left? Centrists!
            Love ’em all.

            • McFlock 12.2.1.2.1.1

              it seems to me these days that everyone sees themselves as a little bit left or right of centre, no matter how extreme their views might be lol

              • Anne

                I did the Compass thing the other day and discovered I was apparently further to the Left of the Greens. It gave me such a shock I plan to do it again and accordingly temper my views. 😯

                I blame The Standard!

      • The Chairman 12.2.2

        The “justification” for that, Marty, can be found in their policies.

        And it’s not to fear monger, it’s done (speaking personally) in the hope they will lift their game.

        If a good number signal to Labour their policies fall short, there’s more chance of Labour upping their game. Whereas, if we accept their shortfalls now, we’re signaling we’re alright with them, hence there is far less chance of them improving them going forward.

        • marty mars 12.2.2.1

          Would you recommend a parent constantly nit pick and criticise their child to try and get them to do better based on the parents view? Do you think that would work? Unending criticisms are corrosive and don’t help ANYONE.

          I think your strategy is flawed but good on you if you’ve decided on what and how you interact with labour and their policies.

          • The Chairman 12.2.2.1.1

            A political party is not a child, Marty. Although, many within may act like them at times.

            We encourage children to do the right thing and help guide them in that direction. If they mess up or fall short, we point it out to them and help show them a better way. Merely accepting their shortfalls won’t encourage them to do better. Which, from what I can gather, seems to be your strategy.

            Some of the policies Labour have put out should have caused outrage within the left.

            For example, despite Labour banging on about poverty and inequality, there is no increase in core benefit rates, no income tax increases on the rich, no commitment for keeping super at 65, a flat regional fuel tax hitting lower income households the hardest (akin to GST) and they’re proposing to build an insufficient number of state houses. Yet, Labour have gained (largely from the left) support in the polls. Signaling we’re alright with it all.

            Unfortunately, making excuses and generally accepting a lowering of the bar isn’t going to drive them to lift their game.

            • marty mars 12.2.2.1.1.1

              The difference between us is I want the gnats out and the best left in. And I’m not prepared to dribble on about all of the many faults of this and that around labour or the left . Your smack offerings of a better way to do it seem slightly spiteful to me. But whatever I am not spending all day talking with naysayers.

              • The Chairman

                I want National out too.

                The difference, Marty, is I don’t want them replaced with National lite. Hence, would much rather see the Greens, Democrats (http://www.democrats.org.nz/) and Mana having the larger majority. But it is those such as yourself (that accept this lowering of the bar and support Labour regardless) that are largely preventing the change we badly require.

                “Your smack offerings of a better way to do it seem slightly spiteful to me”

                I’m far from the only one pointing out their shortfalls, Marty. Do you think the Salvation Army was being spiteful pointing out the massive shortfall in the number of state homes? Or is it just me you’re directing your venom at?

                Disappointed? Yes. But spiteful? Hell no.

                • I’m sorry if it felt like venom.

                  At the moment you have, based on your idea, gnat or gnat lite – what’s your choice? Greens? Sure vote for them, me too but why shit on labour – it is illogical and bullshit imo. Vote green promote green and let labour and JA get the treasury benches. That attacking labour and JA is where the spite is – there is no good reason to do it if you’re voting for a different party imo.

                  • The Chairman

                    The reason I’m coming down on Labour (and those that support them regardless) was clearly explained to you, Marty.

                    But I’ll try again. As they are clearly the lead opposition party (on current polling) they will largely be calling the shots if they or a left block win. Hence, we require them to up their game for the change we want (and badly require) to eventuate.

                    Is that not a good enough reason for you, Marty? Are you against significant change for the better? Are you happy to prolong the suffering many are going through? Something you clearly need to give more thought too.

                    Moreover, I have not attacked Labour or Jacinda, I’ve pointed out their policy shortfalls and why we require them to improve upon them. So get off your high horse.

                  • The Chairman

                    Really, Marty? Is taking swipes at me all you’ve got? Though, I can imagine it must be difficult to defend your acceptance of a lowering of the bar.

    • Reality 12.3

      Ad, all governments are “new” at the start of their term, whether it be Key’s or hopefully Ardern’s and take a while to settle in. The majority of Key’s ministers were newcomers, so as I see it Labour will be no different. Each Minister has several advisers and DPMC has a whole 8th floor of them.

      • Ad 12.3.1

        Even the best at DPMC need actual Ministerial leadership. I hope for the best but keep hope in check.

    • Pat 12.4

      ‘They will make massive enemies in farming and struggle with that, just like last time.”

      yes am inclined to agree, and given its a major source of export receipts its problematic but not in the political sense as farmers have a genetic level block to anything associated with the Labour party…c’est la vie.

      • patricia bremner 12.4.1

        Not all farmers are factory farmers, as many have opted for once daily milking and husbanding resources. Those farmers agree.

    • ” Ardern Helium” doesn’t change your thinking, only your voice. Maybe you meant “ArderNOS”?

  12. Mrs Brillo 13

    Ad, you overlook that any incoming Labour government is likely to have tax expert Deborah Russell aboard. She and Grant R will be a formidable team. I’m looking (hopefully) forward to it.

    • Ad 13.1

      Russell I am sure will be part of the “working group”.

      But she is a political newbie , brittle in character, untested in the fray, and has been a very long time out of any accounting practise. Good to have academics, but real tax level alteration is going to need massive political courage.

      Labour have very, very little Ministerial experience left. They will stuff up some things as they go. So it’s better to put your hopes on the policy areas they have done a lot of thinking and preparation on already.

      • Tautoko Mangō Mata 13.1.1

        Quite frankly, I have been sorely “tried and tested” over the last 9 years and am looking forward to some greenness, enthusiasm and ability to listen in a new government. National have ignored evidence based advice and seem to be stuck in the last century, particularly over climate change. NZ cannot afford the “exploit, mine, pillage” National Party either for the sake of the environment or the people with the punitive approach to welfare, the running down of public services to achieve a “surplus”, the wasteful use of private contractors. Pompous Ministers with huge egos and appalling lack of rational thinking need to go. Take Todd McLay and his stupidity in pushing the TPPA11, giving USA all the benefits of the agreement without any concessions for N;, Murray McCully and his Saudi Sheep shambles; the non-viable RONS…..

    • Anne 13.2

      Yes, and we have one of NZ’s top tax experts on our Lab. Electorate Committee and I expect he will be used by Deborah and Grant if they get the chance to set up their review of the taxation system. What’s more he has been working at the shop level (so to speak) for many years so will be able to guide them in their deliberations.

  13. patricia bremner 14

    We all care greatly about the outcome of this election, and the aftermath.

    If we want more meaningful policy, we need to sell our ideas to our local representative, email in, send postcards …… keep trying to help those whose energy levels are low.

    Kay, are you out there? I wrote asking questions and was pleased to see Jacinda reply to a question on her Facebook half hour, about the inadequate payments and need for constant proof of need facing people with disabilities.

    The response was, “Yes she had a great deal of feedback on that topic, and it was an area that needed to be considered.”

    Not what we would hope for, but it is on the list.

    Trouble is the list is a moving growing social disaster getting longer each day.

    Keep well, I’ll keep badgering.

    • The Chairman 14.1

      “Yes she had a great deal of feedback on that topic, and it was an area that needed to be considered.”

      Did you reply and ask if she is considering it (seeing as she stated it needs considering)?

      And if not, when she plans on considering it?

      Moreover, when can we expect an outcome?

    • One Anonymous Bloke 14.2

      Says it all really: the response is to listen to “feedback” and the “area” hasn’t even been considered yet.

      Weren’t the last thirty-three years of feedback enough or something?

    • marty mars 14.3

      Be good to ask her to sort out poverty, war and climate change too ta. Can she provide the steps she is taking and when she is doing this. Plus my 9.5 year old son wants a copy of her plan too. And quickly, did I mention I need this yesterday.

      • marty mars 14.3.1

        Jjust to clarify – i thought your questions to be extremely valid patricia and I hope the answers and action are taken by labour – my comment was really related to the chairdims one – sorry Patricia I should have put the comment as a reply to them not you.

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    PunditBy Tim Watkin
    3 days ago
  • LIVE: Jacinda Ardern vs. Judith Collins, First Debate
    Tonight, The Civilian will be live-blogging the first of too many debates between Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and National Party leader Judith Collins, and also the last fifteen minutes of the news. Be sure to tune in from 6:45pm for regular updates, which can be accessed by refreshing this page ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    3 days ago
  • Hundreds of Aucklanders arrested after illegal mass gathering on Harbour Bridge
    An enormous drive-in party, shown here, was held this morning on Auckland’s Harbour Bridge, where police were forced to intervene. Hundreds of Aucklanders were arrested this morning on public health grounds, after an apparent illegal mass gathering on the city’s Harbour Bridge. Police say hundreds of Aucklanders gathered in their ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    3 days ago
  • The Looming Fight.
    Social Distancing Be Damned - It's Jacinda! Shortly after ascending to Labour’s leadership, Jacinda described herself as a “pragmatic idealist”. It was an inspired oxymoron – packing into just two words the essence of the social-democrat’s dilemma. It was good to know that she knew what lay ahead of her. ...
    3 days ago
  • Climate Change: Moving faster
    Back in 2017, the UK announced that it would ban the sale of new fossil fuel vehicles by 2040. Its a basic climate change measure, aimed at reducing emissions by shifting the vehicle fleet to cleaner technologies. Now, in the wake of the pandemic, they're planning to bring it forward ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • The Australian courts have had enough of refugee detention
    For the past decade, Australia has had a racist, anti-refugee policy. Those claiming refugee status are imprisoned without trial and left to rot in the hope they would "voluntarily" return to be tortured and murdered. When the courts have granted them visas, the government has immediately revoked them on racial ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Friction and the Anti-lock Braking System
    Yesterday afternoon I had to call on my car’s anti-lock braking system (ABS). For reasons best known to its driver, a car pulled out of a side road right in front of me while I was driving home after work, and I needed to stop in a hurry. I rather ...
    SciBlogsBy Marcus Wilson
    3 days ago
  • The Inside Word: New Zealand Quarantine
    There are a fair few misconceptions about conditions within New Zealand’s Quarantine Hotels. Madeline Grant’s misplaced accusations being one prominent example, though she is not alone. Today, I thought I’d share the inside word, so to speak. A friend of mine has recently returned to New Zealand from overseas, and ...
    3 days ago
  • Hard News: ASA: Let’s not talk about this
    Last week, major newspapers carried a full-page ad as part of the campaign for a "No" vote to the referendum question about supporting the Cannabis Legalisation and Control Bill. The ad was authorised by the SAM NZ Coalition, which takes its name from a controversial American anti-cannabis group and includes ...
    3 days ago
  • This is not kind
    New Zealand has a serious homelessness problem, due to skyrocketing rents and a lack of state houses. One of the ways we stick a band-aid on it is to put people up in motels. Previously, they were charged full commercial rates, saddled with odious debt due to the government's failure ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Wokies are the establishment
    by Ani O’Brien In the absence of a better word with which to refer to the rabid activists who claim progressivism while demanding adherence to an increasingly prescriptive set of political beliefs, I call them “woke”. With its roots in Black American slang, the term originally denoted a person or ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    4 days ago
  • How to strengthen the post-isolation Covid rules
    Over the weekend, the Ministry of Health reported a case of Covid-19 in Auckland that is not related to the current Auckland cluster. Before we start to panic, here’s how I think the case happened and how we can strengthen our current border controls. The new Covid-19 case is someone ...
    SciBlogsBy Siouxsie Wiles
    4 days ago
  • Neuralink and You: A Human-AI Symbiosis
    Becky Casale Elon Musk reckons his Neuralink brain implant is much more than a medical device–that one day it will drive a symbiosis between humans and artificial intelligence. “Good morning! I’m Dr Benedict Egg and I’ll be supervising your Neuralink insertion today. Do you have any questions?” “Yes, Doc. ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    4 days ago
  • Liam Hehir: Our obsession with American politics
    Many New Zealanders take a strong interest in US politics, with the death of Supreme Court Judge Ruth Bader Ginsberg being the latest example. Liam Hehir wonders if it very wise for New Zealanders to get so worked about it.   Many politically engaged New Zealanders are now furiously ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    4 days ago
  • COVID: Back to Level 1
    After stamping the Coronavirus out via strict lockdown between March and May, New Zealand went through a good three months without any community cases. Then a local outbreak in Auckland rather buggered things up last month. Auckland’s been in level 3 and level 2.5 for the past six weeks. ...
    4 days ago
  • Climate Change: Climate injustice
    Who's causing our skyrocketing emissions? As with most of our other problems, It's the rich: The wealthiest 1% of the world’s population were responsible for the emission of more than twice as much carbon dioxide as the poorer half of the world from 1990 to 2015, according to new ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Good riddance
    The border closure and resulting lack of foreign slave-workers is driving the fishing industry out of business: One fishing company is effectively out of business while others are bracing for large financial hits as the deepwater New Zealand industry, unable to get skilled foreign workers into the country, have ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • 2020 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming Digest #38
    Story of the Week... Toon of the Week... Coming Soon on SkS... Climate Feedback Claim Review... SkS Week in Review... Poster of the Week... Story of the Week... The tipping points at the heart of the climate crisis Many parts of the Earth’s climate system have been destabilised by ...
    4 days ago
  • Anyone for Collins?
    In the absence of national public opinion polls, we have had to make do in recent weeks with other guides to voter intentions. Those guides, such as the Auckland Central poll, the incidence of google enquiries and the responses to Vote Compass questions, have suggested, not unexpectedly, that Labour is ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    5 days ago
  • Crusher’s fiscal malfunction
    Crusher Collins - National Party leaderWe all know that the National Party is desperate to gain some traction during this election campaign and have been throwing pretty much everything at the Labour Party in order to try and undermine Jacinda Ardern and what the Coalition Government has achieved. But unfortunately ...
    5 days ago
  • Much of the commentariat’s reporting of the most recent GDP figure was misleading and unhelpful. The prize for the stupidest remark about the GDP figure for second quarter 2020 (2020Q2) released on Thursday (17 Sept) goes to Judith Collins, whose response to Grant Robertson’s comments indicated she did not ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    5 days ago
  • Love and Hate as Complementary Revolutionary Acts
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh goloing@gmail.com (19/09/2020) Che Guevara said that a true revolutionary is motivated by love i.e. love of the oppressed, the poor, the children dying from preventable illnesses. This phrase of his is true but has been used by reformists and their more hippy wing have taken advantage ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    5 days ago
  • 2020 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #38
    A chronological listing of news articles linked to on the Skeptical Science Facebook Page during the past week: Sun, Sep 13, 2020 through Sat, Sep 19, 2020 Editor's Choice Get to Net-Zero by Mid-Century? Even Some Global Oil and Gas Giants Think it Can Be Done A report by a ...
    6 days ago
  • Tax cuts for all!!! (except you, you, and you)
    With the National Party this week announcing a new policy of tax cuts to spice up the election campagin. MyThinks went along to the launch and afterwards we spoke to the party’s finance spokesperson Paul “Golden Touch” Goldsmith. MT: Thanks for speaking to us Mr Goldsmith. PG: No. Thank you. ...
    My ThinksBy boonman
    7 days ago
  • Great Waves Washing Over New Zealand
    Always to islanders danger Is what comes over the seas ‘Landfall in Unknown Seas’ (Allen Curnow)Six economic issues external to New Zealand, which will greatly impact upon us. 1.         The Diminishing Global Dominance of the US. Since 1941 America has dominated the world economically and politically. Probably it could ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    1 week ago
  • New Zealand has role to play in resolving crisis on ‘geopolitical fault line’, Helen Clark says
    By Geoffrey Miller New Zealand should continue to champion human rights in Belarus amidst an ongoing crackdown on protests by the country’s regime, former Prime Minister Helen Clark says. Protests in the country often referred to as ‘Europe’s last dictatorship’ erupted after the country’s disputed presidential elections on August 9 ...
    Democracy ProjectBy Geoffrey Miller
    1 week ago
  • Euthanasia referendum: How to cut through the emotions
    Jacqui Maguire, registered clinical psychologist This podcast episode highlights how difficult it is to have effective conversations about euthanasia due to how polarised people’s views are. I’m a clinical psychologist, with a passion for science communication. In early 2020 I founded the podcast Mind Brew, with an aim to make psychological ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • Why we need cameras on boats
    In case anyone needed further convincing, there's another example today of why we need cameras on fishing boats: reported seabird bycatch doubled during a camera trial: Commercial fishers operating off Auckland's coast around vulnerable seabirds are twice as likely to report accidentally capturing them when cameras are on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Graham Adams: The religious right’s campaign to spike the euthanasia referendum
    In the leadup to the euthanasia referendum, an array of conservative Christian political organisations is running an expensive campaign to sow doubt about the safety of assisted dying. Graham Adams argues that these religious forces know that Christian arguments aren’t convincing the public, but that it is in the public ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    1 week ago
  • Opportunistic looting
    The National Party has spent the last six months acting horrified at the cost of supporting people through the pandemic and banging on about how the debt must be repaid. So what was their economic policy released today? Massive tax-cuts for the rich, of course! National has walked back ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Uncomfortable Choices.
    Dangerous Times: This will be the choice confronting those coming of age in the 2020s. Embrace Neoliberalism’s belief in racial and sexual equality; adopt its secular and scientific world view; and cultivate the technocratic, multicultural, global outlook required of those who keep the machinery of hyper-capitalism humming. Or, throw your ...
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  • Tony Burton: Covid and benefit payments
    It would be a great time to reform the benefit system, according to former Deputy Chief Economic Advisor at the Treasury, Tony Burton. He argues the complexity of benefit system means that it’s failing to achieve its difficult three core objectives, which form an “iron triangle”.   New Zealand’s benefit ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    1 week ago
  • Talking tax: How to win support for taxing wealth
    Tax Justice UK, September 2020 Serious tax reform is on the political agenda for the first time in decades due to the coronavirus crisis. As this debate hots up it is important to understand what people think about public spending, wealth and tax. Tax Justice UK, along with Survation and ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    1 week ago
  • Getting Tough.
    Not Mucking Around: With upwards of 800 dead from the virus’s resurgence in the Australian state of Victoria, leniency is not on Premier Daniel Andrews’ agenda. The Victorian Police are cracking down hard on the protesters the Australian press has labelled "Covidiots".IMAGES OF POLICE, some in riot gear, others on ...
    1 week ago
  • Media Link: Nuclear strategy, then and now.
    Although I had the fortune of being a graduate student of some of the foremost US nuclear strategists of the day (1970s) and later rubbed shoulders with Air Force and Naval officers who were entrusted with parts of the US nuclear arsenal, I seldom get to write or speak about ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • The Chinese List.
    News that Zhenhua Data, an arm of China Zhenhua Electronics Group, a subsidiary of the military-connected China Electronic Information Industry Group (CETC), maintains a list of 800 New Zealanders on a “Overseas Key Information Database” that contains personal information on more than 2.4 million foreign individuals, has caused some consternation ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • Things that grow fast, and things that surprise us
    Marie Becdelievre January 2020. The number of news article mentioning coronavirus exploded and anxious voices whispered about a global pandemic. Whisper? To me, it was only a whisper. I tend to learn about the world through non-fiction books, conferences, and academic research rather than news and social media, so ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #37, 2020
    2,082,476,000,000,000 Viability of greenhouse gas removal via the artificial addition of volcanic ash to the ocean  (not open access, unfortunately) walks us through the numbers on a particular means of CO2 removal, addition of volcanic tephra to the ocean. The mechanism is straight chemistry and the cost is fully an order of ...
    1 week ago
  • Barbados to become a republic
    Barbados is planning to remove the queen as head of state and become a republic in time for the 55th anniversary of its independence in 2021: Barbados has announced its intention to remove the Queen as its head of state and become a republic by November 2021. [...] Reading ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Party Like It’s 1989: Bait and Switch is a Bad Look, Mr Hipkins
    At the 2017 election, the New Zealand Labour Party promised a Fees Free Policy for tertiary students. Basically, it would make the first year of university education free in 2018, with a second year in 2021, and a third in 2024. It also promised to restore Post-Graduate access to the ...
    1 week ago
  • Will the tropics eventually become uninhabitable?
    Climate Explained is a collaboration between The Conversation, Stuff and the New Zealand Science Media Centre to answer your questions about climate change. If you have a question you’d like an expert to answer, please send it to climate.change@stuff.co.nz What is the impact of temperature increases in the tropics? ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • A first-hand look: What it’s like to live in a 2020 California wildfire evacuation zone
    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections by Daisy Simmons It felt like 100 degrees in my in-laws’ Grass Valley, California, kitchen, but at least the lights were on and for the moment we were safely “distanced” from the Jones Fire. We’d just finished dessert, after pizza and a movie ...
    1 week ago
  • COVID-19 is not the only infectious disease New Zealand wants to eliminate, and genome sequencing is...
    Nigel French, Massey University Genome sequencing — the mapping of the genetic sequences of an organism — has helped track the spread of COVID-19 cases in Auckland, but it also plays an important role in the control of other infectious diseases in New Zealand. One example is Mycoplasma bovis, a ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • A flaw in our electoral transparency regime
    A key part of our electoral funding regime is a requirement for some transparency around donations, on the basis that if we can find out who has bought our politicians (typically after we have voted for them) then everything is alright. There are a lot of problems with that regime ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Don’t Steal This Book
    On “In Defense of Looting” Matt Taibibi takes an entertaining look at this generation of woke activists and how they compare with Abbie Hoffman the iconic anti-Vietnam war counter-culture figure of the 1960s On Thursday, August 27th, the same day Donald Trump formally accepted the Republican nomination, National Public Radio ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Carbon prices must rise
    When Parliament introduced the Emissions Trading Scheme, it was worried that carbon prices might get too high. So it introduced a "fixed price option", allowing polluters to pay the government $25 in the place of surrendering credits. The result was predictable: after we were thrown out of international carbon markets ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Disclosure
    The government will finally be requiring large New Zealand companies to disclose their climate change risks: New Zealand finance companies will be made to report on climate change risk, Climate Change Minister James Shaw has announced. The policy will force around 200 large financial organisations in New Zealand to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago

  • Minister of Foreign Affairs makes two diplomatic appointments
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced two new diplomatic appointments: •         Michael Appleton as New Zealand’s first resident High Commissioner to Sri Lanka. •        Tredene Dobson as New Zealand’s next Ambassador to Viet Nam.  Sri Lanka “New Zealand is opening a post in Colombo in 2021 because we are ready ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 hours ago
  • NZ’s most prestigious conservation award – Loder Cup presented to Graeme Atkins
    The Minister of Conservation Minister, Eugenie Sage, today presented Aotearoa New Zealand’s most prestigious conservation award, the Loder Cup, to the 2020 winner Graeme Atkins while in Gisborne/Tūranga-nui-a-Kiwa. “Graeme Atkins of Ngāti Porou is a Department of Conservation ranger whose contribution to conservation goes well above and beyond his employment,” ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 hours ago
  • Parliament to install solar and cut carbon
    Parliament is leading by example by taking action to cut its carbon footprint by installing solar and improving energy efficiency, the Minister for Climate Change, James Shaw said today. The Minister confirmed that Parliamentary Services will receive support through the Clean-Powered Public Service Fund to install solar PV and LED ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    8 hours ago
  • Tuvalu Language Week theme promotes community resilience in the face of COVID-19
    The Minister for Pacific Peoples, Aupito William Sio says the 2020 Tuvalu Language Week theme of “Fakatili Te Kiloga Fou” which means “Navigating the changing environment” is a call on all Pacific peoples to be strong and resilient in the face of COVID-19. “This theme is a reminder to us ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    9 hours ago
  • International sport back up and running in New Zealand
    The Government is welcoming today’s announcement that the West Indies and Pakistan cricket teams will tour New Zealand this summer.  “A lot of hard work has been undertaken by sports officials including New Zealand Cricket, Netball New Zealand and government officials to ensure that international sport can return safely to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    9 hours ago
  • 1BT funds for Northland forest taonga
    Northland’s indigenous tree canopy is set to grow for the benefit of mana whenua and the wider community thanks to nearly $2 million in One Billion Trees funding, Forestry Minister Shane Jones announced today. Te Komanga Marae Trust has received more than $1.54 million to restore and enhance the native ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    11 hours ago
  • Better health care for West Coasters as Te Nikau Hospital officially opened
    The Government has delivered a new hospital for Greymouth and is starting work on a much needed new health centre in Westport, ensuring local communities will benefit from better access to high quality integrated health services. Today, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Associate Health Minister Peeni Henare officially open Te ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    12 hours ago
  • Government backing local with PGF loan
    A West Coast distillery will benefit from a Provincial Growth Fund investment that will enable it to expand its operations and create jobs in the town of Reefton, Rural Communities Minister Damien O’Connor and Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones have announced. The Reefton Distilling Co will receive a $928,000 ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    14 hours ago
  • Primary sector exports and jobs up again
    Primary sector exports and jobs are up again, demonstrating the sector’s underlying strength amid the COVID-19 global pandemic and US-China trade war, and supporting New Zealand’s economic recovery. Stats NZ today reported New Zealand’s merchandise exports in August were up 8.6% on a year ago, driven by an increase in ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Clean energy future for more schools
    Schools across Aotearoa New Zealand will be supported by the Government to upgrade to run on clean energy, the Minister for Climate Change James Shaw announced today. The Minister has allocated $50 million from the Clean Powered Public Service Fund to replace, or convert, coal boilers in schools with clean ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Building business strength with digital tools
    New training and tools for digital commerce will give small businesses, especially in the tourism sector, the support they need to adapt and innovate in a COVID world. Tourism Minister Kelvin Davis and Small Business Minister Stuart Nash have announced details of how $20 million digital capability funding set aside ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • New pest lures to protect nature
    The Department of Conservation (DOC) is investing $1.4 million to develop new predator lures that would be game-changers for trapping and surveillance towards a predator-free Aotearoa, the Minister of Conservation Eugenie Sage, announced in Christchurch today. The proposal is to develop long-life lures attractive to a range of predators—rats, mustelids ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Support for innovative Pacific education responses to COVID-19 needs
    Supporting new and creative Pacific education practices as part of our COVID-19 response and recovery is the focus of a new $28.5 million Pacific Education Innovation Fund announced today by Associate Minister of Education Jenny Salesa.  “There is already an incredible amount of innovative and creative work going on in ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Eligibility expanded for COVID-19 leave support
    The expanded scheme will cover: People who have COVID-19 like symptoms and meet the Ministry of Health’s criteria, and need to self-isolate while awaiting the results of a COVID-19 test. People who are directed to self-isolate by a Medical Officer of Health or their delegate or on advice of their ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Seasonal work visa available to more people
    The Government is putting in place a range of immigration policy changes to help fill labour shortages in key industries while ensuring New Zealanders, who have lost jobs due to COVID-19, have the chance to find new employment. “Two key sectors we are moving to help are horticulture and wine ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • More border exceptions for critical roles
    The Government has established class exceptions for border entry for a limited number of veterinarians, deep sea fishing crew, as well as agricultural and horticultural machinery operators. “Tight border restrictions remain the backbone of the Government’s border strategy to protect New Zealand against COVID-19 and ensure New Zealand citizens and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Crown will not appeal Dodds v Southern Response decision
    The Crown will not appeal the Court of Appeal decision in the Dodds v Southern Response case, Grant Robertson announced today. “Southern Response will be paying the damages awarded by the Court to Mr and Mrs Dodds shortly. The Crown was already meeting their legal costs for this appeal. “The ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Crucial PGF investments for Northland
    The Provincial Growth Fund is investing nearly $30 million in a diverse range of projects that will create immediate and long-term jobs and lift economic and social outcomes for Northland and its people. Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters and Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones made the announcement today in ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • $27million investment in global vaccine facility
    The Coalition Government has committed to invest $27 million in COVID-19 vaccine development through the global COVAX Facility, Foreign Minister Winston Peters announced today. “The COVAX Facility is a key part of our COVID-19 Vaccine Strategy to obtain safe and effective vaccines. It allows us to invest in a high-quality, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Government backing Māori landowners
    The Government will provide up to $1.69 million through the One Billion Trees programme to Māori landowners to make their whenua more productive through the planting of forests, both native and exotic, and improve economic and environmental outcomes, Forestry Minister Shane Jones has announced. “Around 1.5 million ha of land ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • New tools to make nature more accessible
    People planning to head outdoors now have a resource that lets them know how accessible an area is for people with varying levels of mobility, Minister of Conservation Eugenie Sage announced today. The Halberg Foundation, Sensibel, and the Department of Conservation (DOC) have launched Accessibel, a new tool which helps ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • PGF makes Māori history more accessible
    One of the most significant battle sites of the 1860s Land Wars will receive $2.96 million from the Provincial Growth Fund to improve the site and help tell the New Zealand story to visitors, Māori Development Minister Nanaia Mahuta and Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones have announced. Nanaia Mahuta ...
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    1 week ago
  • Making it official: The journey of te reo Māori | Kia whakapūmautia: Ngā piki me ngā heke o te r...
    The journey towards recognising Māori as an official language and taonga has been captured as a web series and launched today during Te Wiki o te Reo Māori, announced Associate Arts, Culture and Heritage Minister Carmel Sepuloni. “Te reo Māori is a living language, and understanding its significance, and pathways to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Better-than-forecast GDP reflects decision to protect New Zealand
    Today’s better-than-forecast GDP figures show the expected impact of the decision to act quickly to protect New Zealanders from the global COVID-19 pandemic. GDP fell 12.2% in the June quarter from March, reflecting decisions to close New Zealand’s borders and enter Alert Level 4. “This result was better than the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Boost for COVID-19 related Pacific education needs
    The Government is investing $39.7 Million over four years to support the educational needs of Pacific learners and families in the regions hardest hit by COVID-19, with Auckland getting an immediate boost, Associate Minister of Education Jenny Salesa says.   “Like all New Zealanders Pacific families want learners to do well ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • More resources for kiwi conservation
    New Zealand’s goal of 100,000 kiwi by 2030 is being helped by an extra $19.7 million in funding to accelerate iwi and community efforts to protect kiwi, Minister of Conservation Eugenie Sage announced. “$19.7 million of Jobs for Nature funding is being invested in kiwi conservation activities including increased predator ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Improving access to affordable electricity
    Ensuring New Zealanders can get the best deal on their electricity takes a step in the right direction today with the South Island launch of the EnergyMate pilot run by the Electricity Retailers’ Association, says Minister of Energy and Resources, Dr Megan Woods. EnergyMate is an industry-led programme providing coaching ...
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    1 week ago
  • Government achieves 50 percent women on state boards
    Minister for Women Julie Anne Genter announced today that the Government has reached its target of 50 percent on women on state sector board and committees – setting a new record level of women on state sector boards. “This Government is committed to having more women in leadership roles - ...
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    1 week ago
  • Record transport investment to help economic recovery and save lives
    Transport Minister Phil Twyford released today the final Government Policy Statement on land transport (GPS) 2021 which outlines the planned $48 billion investment in services and infrastructure over the next decade. “The final GPS supports our Government’s five-point plan for economic recovery by confirming our record investments in transport infrastructure ...
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    1 week ago
  • Advancing clean energy technology
    Three ambitious and cutting-edge research programmes that will lift New Zealand’s advanced energy technology research capability over seven years, have been supported by Government today, says Research, Science and Innovation Minister Megan Woods. The projects will each receive a share of $40.7 million investment from the Strategic Science Investment Fund. ...
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    1 week ago
  • Major milestone reached in Pike River Re-entry
    The critical area for forensic examination known as Pit Bottom in Stone has been reached in what is a major milestone for the Pike River re-entry project, Minister Responsible for Pike River Re-entry Andrew Little announced. “The infrastructure located in Pit Bottom in Stone is of very significant interest in ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Economic recovery guides Govt response to retirement income policy review
    The Government is working on how New Zealand’s retirement income policies and settings can best support Kiwis in light of the COVID-19 economic recovery, with the help of the Retirement Commissioner’s latest review, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Kris Faafoi said. “The Retirement Commissioner’s three-yearly review into New Zealand’s retirement ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Iwi community hub opens in Murupara
    A new digital hub and development centre in Murupara will be instrumental in growing the region’s productivity, said Under-Secretary for Regional Economic Development Fletcher Tabuteau at the official opening of two community initiatives today. “I’m pleased to be here celebrating a significant milestone for two projects set to make a ...
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  • PREFU shows economy doing better than forecast
    PREFU shows economy doing better than forecast Unemployment to peak at 7.8%, down from 9.8% forecast in the Budget Year-to-June accounts show tax revenue, debt and OBEGAL better than forecast Global forecast downgraded as COVID-19 second waves and uncertainty grows Balanced plan to support critical public services, manage debt and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Spruce-up for Ōtaki community facilities
    The Kāpiti Coast town of Ōtaki will receive $1.4 million in Government funding for two projects providing scores of jobs for locals while improving community facilities, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones has announced. The Māoriland Charitable Trust will receive a $900,000 Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) grant to upgrade the ...
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