Lahore bombing

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1. saveNZ 1

   28 March 2016 at 11:54 am

   Horrible news.
2. RedLogix 2

   28 March 2016 at 2:57 pm

   I was going to comment on this first thing this morning. But as with Brussels there really is little to add beyond the words, the pictures and the inhuman folly of those who planted this bomb knowing it would kill and cripple children.

   The only positive I can take from these horrors is to remind ourselves that this is the purpose of politics; that talking is always better than this. No matter how hard, no matter how frustrating.
3. fender 3

   28 March 2016 at 5:11 pm

   Apparently there were at least 29 children killed. Disgustingly cowardly act.
4. miravox 4

   28 March 2016 at 10:57 pm

   It takes an especially warped mind for this one.
5. the pigman 5

   28 March 2016 at 11:57 pm

   I’m just waiting for the SkyCity Skytower’s lights to be changed to green and white, for the Pakistani flag to be overlaid over all of my friends’ facebook profiles… when I heard about this I couldn’t find a single story on it in my Stuff news app (World section) though it appears there are now a couple.
6. Colonial Viper 6

   28 March 2016 at 11:59 pm

   Pakistani authorities need to be shutting down extremist preachers and stop harboring the likes of the Taliban.
   • RedLogix 6.1

     29 March 2016 at 12:09 am

     Yes that is what makes rational sense CV, but jeeze I don’t think I’d want to have enemies like the Taliban. These people play by no rules you and I would recognise.

     It’s moments like this which leave me enormously grateful for the delicate, fragile freedoms we do have. We should treasure them more.
     • Colonial Viper 6.1.1

       29 March 2016 at 12:24 am

       Interestingly, I would say that the Pashtun (who are somewhat related to the Taleban but by no means one and the same) live by an extremely ordered set of rules and values.

       It’s just that almost no one outside of that cultural background can make head or tail of any of it.

       And yeah, having just spent some time around Queenstown, Te Anau and Milford Sound, we are fucking lucky over here on our own small patch of dirt.
       • Chris 6.1.1.1

         29 March 2016 at 3:37 pm

         As Key starts putting more NZ troops into combat roles our own small patch of dirt will begin to get targeted too. Is just a matter of time.
7. Jamie 7

   29 March 2016 at 6:35 am

   One guess which religion did it

   https://r1016132.wordpress.com/2016/03/25/a-stitch-in-time-saves-nine-ban-all-muslim-immigration-now/
   • One Anonymous Bloke 7.1

     29 March 2016 at 7:12 am

     Ban hate speech, starting with yours.
   • Li 7.2

     29 March 2016 at 6:58 pm

     Religions can’t do anything ya dork. They’re collections of beliefs, not monsters. Move beyond superficial blame games and get real.
8. Psycho Milt 8

   29 March 2016 at 7:46 am

   Any thoughts on why this particular group was targeted, and by whom?
   • The lost sheep 8.1

     29 March 2016 at 7:51 am

     A faction of the Pakistani Taliban, Jamaat-ul-Ahrar, claimed responsibility for the explosion, saying it was targeted at Christians celebrating Easter. A spokesman for the group, Ehsanullah Ehsan, told the Guardian: “We have carried out this attack to target the Christians who were celebrating Easter. Also this is a message to the Pakistani prime minister that we have arrived in Punjab [the ruling party’s home province].”
     • One Anonymous Bloke 8.1.1

       29 March 2016 at 8:10 am

       In fact, most of the victims were Muslims. A toxic combination of hate speech, extreme conservatism and massive incompetence.
       • The lost sheep 8.1.1.1

         29 March 2016 at 8:46 am

         Muslim terrorists often target areas where they know there are highly likely to be Muslim victims.
         I believe they generally ‘rationalise’ this with the belief that Muslims of your own sect that die become Martyrs, and those not of your sect are apostate blasphemers who deserve to die just like Christians.

         Religion has an answer for everything.
         • One Anonymous Bloke 8.1.1.1.1

           29 March 2016 at 8:55 am

           Ultra-conservatives often find ways to insert their hate speech into religious dogma. The problem is the hate speech. Look at the way neo-liberals vilify their victims, for example.
           • The lost sheep 8.1.1.1.1.1

             29 March 2016 at 9:05 am

             Or the way you vilify neo-liberals.
             People who use hate speech always believe their hate is ‘justified’ by their certain knowledge of the ‘evil’ nature of the target group.
             • One Anonymous Bloke …

               29 March 2016 at 12:29 pm

               In this specific example, neo-liberals believe in market fairies and other bullshit, which causes poverty, and then they blame the poor: “ferals”, “bludgers”, etc.

               Dehumanising people makes it easier to ignore “morbidity with a social gradient”, etc. Or to suggest that they “shouldn’t be allowed to breed”. Perhaps you think a similar process doesn’t occur in the “minds” of terrorists with regard to their victims.

               The point is that religious belief is peripheral, whether it be market fairies or sky fairies: it’s the fear and hatred that does the damage.
               • The lost sheep …

                 29 March 2016 at 1:09 pm

                 Yes, dehumanising people by applying a distorted hate based generic characterization to a widely disparate group of individuals.
                 It’s the most violent form of the straw man fallacy. By asserting the generic hateful characterization is ‘true’ of all members of a labelled group , the hater can create the illusion of a ‘legitimate’ case against all individuals in that group that may well influence other people towards hate.

                 I know many people who are ‘neo-liberal’ to some extent or another, and I can’t see any difference between your dehumanisation of them, and the person who asserts that all Muslims are terrorists. Both stances are criminally simplistic.

                 The point is that religious belief is peripheral, whether it be market fairies or sky fairies: it’s the fear and hatred that does the damage..
                 Um, where does the fear and hatred of a specific group come from if it does not rise out of a specific belief or set of beliefs?
                 • One Anonymous Bloke …

                   29 March 2016 at 1:28 pm

                   …where does the fear and hatred of a specific group come from if it does not rise out of a specific belief or set of beliefs?

                   Is prejudice and stupidity a specific set of beliefs?

                   If it plays a part, is a particular brain structure?
                   • The lost sheep …

                     29 March 2016 at 3:12 pm

                     Is prejudice and stupidity a specific set of beliefs?
                     If it plays a part, is a particular brain structure?

                     Generically, (if that’s where you’re trying to lead), people can be stupid and/or form unreasonable opinions about all kinds of things that aren’t necessarily related to a ‘belief’.

                     But, we are talking about prejudice that is focused specifically on a particular target group.
                     In that case, the beliefs that prejudiced individuals are exposed to and/or hold clearly have a direct relationship to their specific prejudice?
                     Someone from a fundamentalist family living in a Mid Western Country town will have a significantly higher risk of being homophobic than someone from a liberal family in a city like Brighton? Afrikaners growing up in the 50’s would have had a high incidence of racism, and German’s in the 40’s be highly likely to be anti-Semitic?

                     If it was purely ‘some part of the brain’ causing prejudice, then the patterns of targeted prejudice would be random across a wide range of societies, cultures, and situations.
                     But it’s not like that is it?
                     Targeted prejudice has a clear association with the patterns of belief within specific cultural environments.
                   • One Anonymous Bloke …

                     29 March 2016 at 3:45 pm

                     …or, manifestations of prejudice and stupidity conform to similar patterns from country to country: that is to say they’re directed at minorities, economically disadvantaged groups, and “others”.
           • Psycho Milt 8.1.1.1.1.2

             29 March 2016 at 9:06 am

             Interesting thought. So, the guys interrupting that vigil in Brussels the other day weren’t fascists or the more modern term “far-right extremists,” they were merely some ordinary people of no particular ideology who’ve had ultra-conservatives insert “hate speech” into their political views. It’s an unusual view and personally I’m happy to continue referring to them as fascists or far-right extremists.
             • One Anonymous Bloke …

               29 March 2016 at 12:17 pm

               Nope.

               Their religious beliefs are a red herring compared to their intolerance and fear.
               • Refelusion …

                 29 March 2016 at 4:05 pm

                 Give up OAB your getting all tangled up on this one, their intolerance and fear comes from religious beliefs. To argue otherwise is plane dumb, of which your not
                 • One Anonymous Bloke …

                   29 March 2016 at 5:22 pm

                   🙄

                   *plain.

                   *you’re.
                 • The lost sheep …

                   29 March 2016 at 6:05 pm

                   Dang Ref…you spooked him just as he was about to really step in the doo doo!
                   • One Anonymous Bloke …

                     29 March 2016 at 7:07 pm

                     🙄

                     I can’t be spooked by your ghost arguments: lots of people are religious; some of them are intolerant and fearful. There is some third factor at work: stupidity and extreme conservatism are obvious candidates.
                   • Psycho Milt …

                     29 March 2016 at 8:58 pm

                     Lots of people have political ideologies; some of them are intolerant and fearful. There is some third factor at work: fascism and communism can’t be causes of fascist or communist violence and repression in and of themselves…
                 • Li …

                   29 March 2016 at 7:08 pm

                   Intolerance and fear feed into beliefs, not the other way round. It’s why I can read the Quran and not become a jihadist. It is a matter of relationship between the person and the text. This relationship is formed out of the cultural & geopolitical background that the reader is located. Stop buying into this over simplified bullshit that specific religions are to blame. The teachings of Christ didn’t cause the crusades, the teachings of Mohammed don’t cause global jihadism.
                   • Psycho Milt …

                     29 March 2016 at 7:18 pm

                     Ideologies don’t kill people, people kill people!
                   • One Anonymous Bloke …

                     29 March 2016 at 7:23 pm

                     +1
                   • The lost sheep …

                     29 March 2016 at 7:47 pm

                     Your argument is absolutely appropriate for person who is located in a ‘cultural and geopolitical background’ where they are allowed and even encouraged to have an open mind to different ways of thinking, and the safety and freedom to express what they think without fear of censure.

                     But what about the ‘cultural and geopolitical backgrounds’ where this is not the case, and the dominant belief systems actively suppress individuals from such liberal thinking?

                     Consider for instance, Pakistan, where the Federal Shariat Court has direct oversight of blasphemy laws that have seen over 1300 people prosecuted for ‘desecration of the Quran’, and 62 people have been murdered before prosecution on such charges could take place.

                     Or consider openly preaching the beauties of The Christian Bible in Pashtun Taliban territory? Or arguing the rights of LGBT people in Nigeria?

                     How would you say that the ‘belief’ is not actively promoting and creating fear under circumstances like that?
                   • Li …

                     29 March 2016 at 8:34 pm

                     @The lost sheep

                     Yes you are right? My upbringing has allowed me to make an argument like I did.

                     “How would you say that the ‘belief’ is not actively promoting and creating fear under circumstances like that?”

                     I can say it because belief isn’t some autonomous boogeyman. Beliefs are carried by people. People who change it according to their will. This type of shit is never about theological issues and all about power.

                     If you are raised in an atmosphere where there is food on the table and love all around, then you are more likely to find Allah in the poetry of Rumi, if you are raised in an atmosphere where there is not food on the table and there is aggression all around then you are more likely to find Allah in the preaching & promises of some power hungry despot.

                     Stop looking at belief like it’s an active agent. This is an issue of people and power structures.
                     Those fears arise because of uneven power relationships. The belief is irrelevant. One Anonymous Bloke said it best with calling it a Red Herring.
                   • Foreign waka …

                     29 March 2016 at 8:50 pm

                     “Give me a child until he is 7 and I will show you the man.”
                     Aristotle
                     This was true then and it is true now.
                     Look at the child solders, imprisoned and abused children in countries of Afghanistan, Burma, Indonesia, Laos, Philippines, Nepal and Sri Lanka, the African continent (there are too many to list but you can google this) Bahrain, Myanmar.
                     One can join the army in Britain with an age little over 15 years old. The list of the very young is certainly longer if you counts the Americas too.
                     What they get taught is an emotional attachment that can take many forms. Belief me, it is certainly not love that is being dished out. Fear is a strong motivator and hate is its defense mechanism. Religion is used to fill the void of reasoning in many cases but it could economic, political, tribal etc.
                     There are millions of children like this and what we see is a generation of these children now being adults who do not know any different.
                     This might give some insights.
                     http://carrcenter.hks.harvard.edu/files/carrcenter/files/dalessandra_pshychol_cons_of_childsoldiers.pdf
     • Psycho Milt 8.1.2

       29 March 2016 at 8:58 am

       You gotta love the fact that the political message is an “also.” First up comes killing apostates.
9. Jamie 9

   29 March 2016 at 8:49 pm

   The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called ‘hypocrites’ and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

   Quran (17:16) – “And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction.”

   Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing”

   Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”

   Quran (4:89) – “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”

   Quran (4:95) – “Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).

   Quran (5:33) – “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”

   Quran (8:67) – “It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land”

   Quran (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.”

   Quran (9:14) – “Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people.”

   Quran (25:52) – “Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness…” “Strive against” meaning JIHAD

   Hate speech much???
   • Li 9.1

     30 March 2016 at 6:55 am

     There are also verses that tell us to love one another. Reading and following Scripture is all about interpretation. What motivates a person to follow certain interpretations is primarily the cultural climate in which he is raised and then a plethora of secondary reasons. Stop looking for the easy answer of “dang Islam is all a bunch of terrorists”.
     • Psycho Milt 9.1.1

       30 March 2016 at 7:37 am

       Sure, looking up chapter and verse doesn’t tell us much. There’s no point in looking through the Communist Manifesto for quotes that might explain why communism is a violent totalitarian ideology – the “why” is unimportant relative to the “is.”
       • Li 9.1.1.1

         30 March 2016 at 12:04 pm

         I think it is just very simplistic to call an ideology by itself violent. And w/ communism or Islam it is very difficult because they are so wide ranging Ideologies with so many variants within. There have been peaceful adherents to them and violent adherents. Peaceful manifestations, violent manifestations. We have to get out of the black and white thinking that is so ethnocentric and unproductive. The why is important id argue but it needs to be a sophisticated investigation that takes into account the actual materialistic history and differing view points. Anything that could be mistaken for a YouTube comment isn’t the dialogue that we need ya know.
         • Psycho Milt 9.1.1.1.1

           30 March 2016 at 2:29 pm

           Heuristics are simple, but useful. In the case of communism, every attempt at a communist society so far has produced a totalitarian nightmare, so I’m happy call it a dangerous ideology, happy for its adherents to be regarded with a certain level of suspicion, and happy for the state’s security apparatus to come down hard on any of its adherents actively trying to set up a fresh totalitarian nightmare in whatever country I’m living in. Same with fascism, and same with Islam – the fact that some fascists, communists and Muslims are very nice people is irrelevant.
           • Li 9.1.1.1.1.1

             30 March 2016 at 8:29 pm

             Well see you’re being way too simplistic again and in a very unuseful way. You’re looking at I’m guessing USSR & North Korea? First off, neither are ideologically similar to anything labeled communism (no true scotsman fallacy blahblabhah). Secondly, you need to again look at the environment in which these things were created.

             Here’s a neat article on north korea’s bizzare-o world

             http://www.vox.com/2016/1/6/10724334/north-korea-history

             There is a significant difference between contemporary western societies and the historical ones where communist regimes cropped up. Try & understand that there would be a significant difference between the adherents of either times.

             It isn’t irrelevant that some Muslims are very nice people. It is entirely relevant. It’s why it’s dumb as hell to demonize their religion. All you’re doing is alienating perfectly fine people, what’s worse is that you’re consciouslly in favour of it, “,happy for its adherents to be regarded with a certain level of suspicion”.
             Guess what social alienation can do to people! Radicalize them!
             Like even from a utilitarian perspective it’s bad news.

             But really it’s bad news because you are turning a misunderstanding of a religion into an antagonism. You’re going down the path of ignorance to hate. Super bad news .
             Also this isn’t a case of “some” Muslims being nice people it’s a case of there being 1.5 billion of them on the world of which the majority are just trying to live their lives like you and me. Stop being a victim of sensationalist media & unskillful commentators.
             http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch3-11.htm
             • Foreign waka …

               30 March 2016 at 9:23 pm

               Are we being inadvertently converted here?
             • Psycho Milt …

               31 March 2016 at 6:36 am

               You’re looking at I’m guessing USSR & North Korea?

               I’m thinking of every single one of them. Also every single fascist society, not that there’s been so many of them. Bullshit about how they weren’t really “communist” or that those countries were different from ours is irrelevant. Experience compellingly demonstrates that letting communists or fascists (or Muslims) control your society is a very bad idea.

               Re “demonising” these people’s religion, antagonism is the only appropriate response of the rational towards religions, especially towards religions that are also a totalitarian political ideology. If Muslims don’t like that, they’re free to live somewhere that welcomes their particular branch of repressive authoritarianism.

               And there are 1.5 billion “Muslims” in the same sense that there are a billion “Communists” in China – the fact that most people pay only lip service to the totalitarian ideology they’re unlucky enough to live under tells us nothing useful about whether it’s an ideology that should be encouraged to prosper in our own countries.
               • RedLogix …

                 31 March 2016 at 7:17 am

                 Re “demonising” these people’s religion, antagonism is the only appropriate response of the rational towards religions, especially towards religions that are also a totalitarian political ideology

                 True, but I’d also claim that whatever it is your thinking of here, it isn’t what I’d call religion. It’s something else which has taken the name of faith in order to disguise it’s real nature.

                 This is what happens to almost anything humans discover that generates power, whether it is the power of socialism, capitalism or religion. Whenever the merging of institutional power with the motives of the individual ego is permitted in the one role, the result is an evil.

                 Inevitably some individuals with personal gifts of leadership and personal ambition are also the same people drawn to positions of institutional power.

                 One of the secrets of stable society will be understanding how to keep them separate.
                 • Psycho Milt …

                   31 March 2016 at 7:56 am

                   Islam’s both a religion and a political ideology. It has the usual contradictory, irrational but mostly harmless god-bothering blather in it, but it also comes with a legislative programme, the claim of right to divide all human behaviour into five categories from compulsory to forbidden, and a ban on leaving once you’ve joined (or been born into it, which is worse). Devout Muslims are about as desirable in our society as devout fascists.
                   • RedLogix …

                     31 March 2016 at 8:24 am

                     Which is why I find it helpful to separate out the political ideology from the “mostly harmless god-bothering blather”.

                     All religions have an common inner core, where they are all more or less saying the same things, expressed differently to suit the age they arose in. This is where I’m happy to allow people to express and live their faith in tolerance and liberal freedom.

                     But at the same time they also accumulate, over centuries or longer, political and social ideologies that are almost entirely man-made. And generally tend to hang about well past their use-by date. And as far as I’m concerned political ideologies are fair game. I’ll criticise all I like.

                     But then again it’s unwise to forget that for most people, especially those entirely immersed in a faith from birth, find making this separation very difficult. The religious and political leaders of their community, the ones benefiting from the ideology, are usually loath to help them make it. And in attacking the political ideology, inevitably they’ll feel you are attacking them personally.
                 • The lost sheep …

                   31 March 2016 at 7:59 am

                   One of the secrets of stable society will be understanding how to keep them separate.

                   The key flaw in any belief or ideology of human society is the assumption that it can be stable.
                   It can’t of course, because gloriously, we all have our own minds.

                   Therefore any agency attempting to impose a homogeneous pattern of thought and behavior must arrive at the need to repress behaivour that does not conform to the belief or ideology.

                   The only stable society is one that allows a healthy degree of instability.
                   • One Anonymous Bloke …

                     31 March 2016 at 8:04 am

                     When you can establish that the assumption is being made by anyone other than you, there’ll be two of you.
                   • The lost sheep …

                     31 March 2016 at 8:15 am

                     Yeah. So human society is stable?
                   • One Anonymous Bloke …

                     31 March 2016 at 8:24 am

                     No: the daft notion that stable implies homogeneous is drivel. Perhaps a dictionary can help. and I doubt it.
               • One Anonymous Bloke …

                 31 March 2016 at 7:24 am

                 there are 1.5 billion “Muslims” in the same sense that there are a billion “Communists” in China – the fact that most people pay only lip service to the totalitarian ideology they’re unlucky enough to live under

                 Ah, so the “threat” is being exaggerated.
                 • RedLogix …

                   31 March 2016 at 7:44 am

                   Maybe. The thing PM and I do share in common is that we’ve both lived and worked in Islamic countries for a period. Him longer than me I suspect.

                   And it’s shaped our views.
                   • Psycho Milt …

                     31 March 2016 at 7:50 am

                     Yep. Only three years, but they were very instructive ones.
10. Dale 10

    29 March 2016 at 10:00 pm

    Well pointed out Jamie.
    When Sonny Bill gave away his medal,the headline here was very pro Muslim.
    When Muslims blow up Christians celebrating Easter,nothing no mention of the “M” word at all.
    The hypocrisy is mind blowing.
11. Jamie 11

    30 March 2016 at 6:28 pm

    Forgive this islamophobe for wishing to see his beloved New Zealand act with prudence/wisdom and avoid the fate of Eurabia

    Sweden Burns to the Ground

    ***Source***
    http://swordsofthesaints.blogspot.co.nz/2016/03/sweden-burns-to-ground.html

    “The following analysis of the European situation by Julian Langness is drawn from the pattern of events that other recent failed states, such as Lebanon, the Balkans, and Afghanistan, have followed. The entire projection can be found at Counter-Currents Publishing. Keep this in mind when the effeminate present you with a treacherous vision of mercy, one that emphasises feelings over the good of their own people. They are promoting war and rape and suffering on an unimaginable level.

    Hypothetical Scenario Involving the Outbreak of Violence In Europe

    Date: Summer 20xx (this could be 2016, 2019, 2024, etc. . . .)

    1.Increased friction between the Swedish state and immigrants has enflamed tensions throughout the country. Malmö begins seeing increasing immigrant on native violence of a level previously unknown. Further, the violence has become a cultural phenomenon or purposeful “Intifada” similar to the “Days of Rage” in Palestine. Swedish women are raped openly in the streets. Swedish men are attacked regularly. The police force in Malmö is on the brink of collapsing. Their operations are increasingly militarized as any form of regular policing is impossible. The immigrant communities have progressed completely out of government control, short of tactical incursions by government forces necessitating large numbers of police and riot troops with military vehicles.

    2.White flight out of Malmö and the surrounding areas has left the city devoid of the personnel needed for it to function. There are massive shortages of teachers, medical personnel, firefighters, and EMT’s. Government services increasingly exist in name only. Police officers must be bussed in from neighboring areas. The justice system is collapsing and the judicial system has fully collapsed. The first hints of 4GW crime begin appearing, such as kidnappings and tolls to travel through certain areas.

    3.Native Swedish vigilante violence begins as chaos escalates. There are multiple shootings of Muslim men. Some involve self-defense, others offer unclear motives and appear to be politically or “racially” motivated. Middle-Eastern restaurants are burned to the ground. Refugee centers are burned and shot up.

    4.The increasingly isolated Swedish government, massively threatened by the destabilization of society, begins violently clamping down on free speech. Political “hate speech” on the internet is prosecuted vigorously. Right-wing anti-immigrant groups are attacked and shut down.

    5.With Malmö in state of insurrection and chaos, and calls for violence from Muslims across Europe, Denmark completely seals off the Øresund Bridge and fully militarizes their border with Sweden. They further clamp down on civil liberties of Muslims in Denmark, afraid the crisis will spread.

    6.The Swedish government outlaws the Sweden Democrats, who, despite widespread support among ethnic Swedes, still have not taken power because of the ever-increasing number of foreign born immigrants being hastily granted citizenship and voting rights. Sweden Democrat supporters march in the streets and there are acts of violence and vandalism against representations of the government and against the immigrant community.

    7.Ethnic violence escalates in Stockholm and Gothenburg. There are riots in heavily immigrant areas. Massive nightly car burnings occur, along with a number of homicides. The government attempts Martial Law as the two cities becomes increasingly Balkanized.

    8.In addition to the vanguard of small-scale native Swedish vigilante groups that have sprung up, larger and slightly more mainstream self-defense militias begin expanding and arming themselves, despite government attempts to violently crack down on them. These are made up of men with relevant experience in law enforcement, the military, hunting, etc., and represent a “normalization” of vigilantism.

    9.Government legitimacy disappears as coalition government starts to crumble. Events from Sweden begin to appear as front-page news on a daily basis throughout Europe.

    10.As violence between Swedish militias and immigrant gangs escalates, first trickles of external funding begin to appear for Preservationist groups/militias (most likely from either Denmark, Poland, Russia, Finland, or any combination of the above). Funding likewise grows for increasingly organized Islamist/immigrant groups. Saudi Arabia and other Gulf nations responsible.

    11.Despite likely Danish funding of preservationist elements within Sweden, Denmark also continues attempting to prop up mainstream Swedish government, afraid of mass spillover should government fall and anarchy increase.

    12.As Malmö becomes 100% Muslim-controlled due to massive white flight and the inability of security system to maintain order, and as violence grows throughout country, the national government topples.

    13.Killings are occurring every day; Preservationist militias are patrolling streets; Muslim gangs make incursions into native areas and carry out killings; suicide bombings begin to occur.

    14.The vastly overstretched Swedish police force and the “cosmetic” Swedish military collapse.

    15.Preservationist militia begin taking over Swedish Army depots and bases and arming themselves.

    16.Immigrant gangs and Islamists begin doing same in Malmö and other heavily Muslim areas.

    17.The EU, hamstrung by political impotence and infighting and having massive problems of its own, is largely powerless to act.

    18.Full-scale 4GW fighting expands between Preservationist militias and Muslim gangs/organizations. Fighting is fiercest in medium-sized towns in southern half of country, because these areas are not homogeneous like in the ghettoized suburbs. Thousands are killed as each side struggles to maintain control over neighborhoods and areas. As in Afghanistan and Lebanon, territory is fluid and some areas change sides on an almost constant basis as the fighting escalates.

    19.Widespread atrocities are committed by both sides, just as they are in almost all conflicts. Hundreds of Muslims at a time are slaughtered by Swedes and buried in mass graves, just like in the Balkans. Swedish men, women, and children are murdered and often beheaded. Other Swedes are found dismembered and tortured to death. Young Swedish girls are abducted and kept as sex slaves by local commanders, just as Russian girls in Chechnya were in the 1990s. First real military weaponry begins to be used, including mortars, missile launchers, etc.

    20.Native Swedish refugees attempt to flee country in large numbers; Norwegian and Finnish governments allow them in. Muslim refugees are prohibited, and large numbers of Muslims eke out existence in now war-torn suburbs, often without heat or utilities.

    21.Eventually troops from neighbouring European countries join fighting on behalf of Preservationist militias. The original Swedish government has ceased to exist. Numerous left-wing politicians have been executed as traitors. Heavy fighting continues. Muslims in the far south are pushed back into Malmö and contained. Fighting continues in other areas of the country.”
    • Li 11.1

      30 March 2016 at 8:31 pm

      Oh my.
      • Jamie 11.1.1

        31 March 2016 at 4:45 am

        Oh my indeed….

        “Society in western Europe is on the verge of breaking down amid chaotic violence caused by economic dislocation, mass immigration and terrorism. This is not the view of some ‘crazy survivalist’ but of the head of the Swiss Armed Forces”

        ***Source***
        http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.2323/europe-on-the-verge-of-civil-war-a%80%93-swiss-army-chief-s-urgent-warning.html

        Lieutenant-General André Blattmann has issued a warning to the Swiss people that society is dangerously close to collapse and advised those not already armed as part of the Swiss Army reserve to take steps to arm themselves. Blattmann has been head of the Armed Forces since, 1 March 2009 and his words carry very significant weight in a country in which several Citizens’ Initiative referenda against burqas and mosques have proven enormously popular as concerns grow about immigration and Islamisation.”

        “The threat of terror is rising, hybrid wars are being fought around the globe; the economic outlook is gloomy and the resulting migration flows of displaced persons and refugees have assumed unforeseen dimensions.”

        Blattmann: “Social unrest can not be ruled out”, the vocabulary in public discourse will be “dangerously aggressive.”

        “The mixture is increasingly unappetizing” Blattmann sees the basis of Swiss prosperity and society, “has long been once again called into question.”

        “He recalls the situation around the two world wars in the last century and advises Switzerland, to arm themselves”
        • One Anonymous Bloke 11.1.1.1

          31 March 2016 at 7:29 am

          Jamie sweety, where do you suppose all the ammunition they’ll need is going to come from? Swiss militia are forbidden from keeping it at home.

          Oops.
      • One Anonymous Bloke 11.1.2

        31 March 2016 at 7:08 am

        Indeed. Jamie’s found a friend 🙄
        • Jamie 11.1.2.1

          11 April 2016 at 8:29 pm

          Found more than one bloke

          ***Source***
          http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/659745/Islamic-beliefs-repressive-women-gays-freedom-Muslims-really-think-Channel-4-research

          And Mr Philips, former Chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, draws some grim but honest conclusions.

          He says: “The integration of Britain’s Muslims will probably be the hardest task we’ve ever faced. It will require the abandonment of the milk-and-water multiculturalism still so beloved of many, and the adoption of a far more muscular approach to integration.

          “I thought Europe’s Muslims would gradually blend into Britain’s landscape. I should have known better.

          A study carried out by ICM for Channel 4 revealed shocking findings which included:

          • Four in 10 Muslims believe a wife should ALWAYS obey her husband;

          • More than half UK Muslims believe homosexuality should be illegal

          • One in four British Muslims wants Islamic sharia law to replace British law

          Only a third of Muslims would inform police if they knew someone who was getting involved with people who support terrorism in Syria

          • One in three Muslims refuse to completely condemn STONING to death in adultery cases

          • One in three Muslims refuse to condemn acts of violence against people who mock Mohammed

          The revelations form the basis of a Channel 4 documentary, presented by Trevor Phillips, called What British Muslims Really Think.

          “Hearing what British Muslims themselves think, rather than listening to those purporting to speak on their behalf, is critical if we are to prevent the establishment of a nation within our nation.

          “Many of the results will be troubling to Muslims and non-Muslims alike – and the analysis of the age profile shows us that the social attitudes revealed are unlikely to change quickly.”

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