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1. Joy FL 1

   20 May 2016 at 7:11 pm

   The red colour in the USA’s two-party political context is also conventionally used by the Republicans. “LOVE” is in red. Wtf?
   • Colonial Viper 1.1

     20 May 2016 at 7:17 pm

     Indeed. I just shakes my head.
2. Lucy 2

   20 May 2016 at 7:21 pm

   Just ask Bill ffs. Who has she got doing her campaigns? She is painting the target on her own back!
3. ropata 3

   20 May 2016 at 7:46 pm

   Wall St. loves both Hillary and Trump. The establishment will go with whoever has the best PR, but the deep state will remain totally in control.
4. geoff 4

   20 May 2016 at 7:49 pm

   Scott Adams (Dilbert creator) wrote on this:
   http://blog.dilbert.com/post/143789982926/clinton-versus-trump-persuasion-scores

   We’ll start with Clinton’s new campaign slogan:

   LOVE TRUMPS HATE

   Based on the slogan, I can tell you with confidence that the Clinton campaign doesn’t have anyone with a persuasion background helping with the big decisions. Here’s why:

   1. Humans put greater cognitive weight on the first part of a sentence than the last part. This is a well-understood phenomenon. And the first part literally pairs LOVE and TRUMP.

   2. The slogan increases exposure to the name Trump. That’s never a good idea.

   3. Spoken aloud, the slogan sounds like asking people to agree with Trump’s hate, as in “Love Trump’s hate (because Trump hates war, terrorism, and bad trade deals, same as you?).

   This is the sort of mistake you never see out of the Trump campaign. The slogan is pure amateur hour. It accomplishes the opposite of its intent, and you can’t fail harder than that.

   etc etc
   • Stuart Munro 4.1

     20 May 2016 at 10:27 pm

     There is a thing called end weight, the consequential part of a sentence is generally the end. This relates to the ‘known-new’ contract, whereby the reader expects some relevance to what went before, and something added to it.

     As a slogan this has some merit because it’s sticky, ie likely to be remembered, even if it doesn’t make much sense, or is ambiguous.

     It does endorse the shabby personality politics of the presidential race though – alright for the punters perhaps, but not for thinking people.
     • Colonial Viper 4.1.1

       20 May 2016 at 10:33 pm

       so its a Clinton message emphasising hate? Still not great.
       • Stuart Munro 4.1.1.1

         20 May 2016 at 10:44 pm

         It’s a slogan – not very meaningful at the best of times.

         But you’ve only half the meaning in your criticism

         love trumps hate – trump is the verb

         love Trump’s hate – love is the verb, but the irony is significant

         If voters can equate Hillary with love, it may be quite effective. Personally, I couldn’t love Hillary when Bernie’s on the menu.

         In 1915 Theodore Roosevelt wrote that Dante had “reserved a special place of infamy” for neutral angels. Smart bloke Dante.
5. BM 5

   20 May 2016 at 7:57 pm

   Trump isn’t an idiot, personally I think he’d make a great president, he’s almost America’s John Key, the anti politician.

   I reckon great things could come from a guy like Trump being president.
   • b waghorn 5.1

     20 May 2016 at 8:39 pm

     Their is a huge difference between “great” and long term bullshit artist in charge. Which is what key is.
6. b waghorn 6

   20 May 2016 at 8:04 pm

   On te news some where today ( sorry can’t remember where) they said trump is polling ahead of clinton ,
   Question : could Sanders go independent??
   • Andre 6.1

     20 May 2016 at 8:21 pm

     It would be really hard to get on the ballot in enough states at this late stage. You need thousands or tens of thousands of signatures in each state, and some state deadlines are really close. Texas has already passed the deadline, but Sanders would never win Texas anyway.
     • b waghorn 6.1.1

       20 May 2016 at 8:27 pm

       Thankyou
7. Andre 7

   20 May 2016 at 8:24 pm

   As a slogan it’s so obviously incredibly dumb it may end up persuading the superdelegates that Sanders really is the the better choice.
8. North 8

   20 May 2016 at 8:53 pm

   The sadness is that it’s never gonna not be Drumpf and Clinton. Thus the World is gonna be subject yet again to ‘yet again’…….well if it goes the Drumpf way…….hold on to your seats. Random……
9. joe90 9

   20 May 2016 at 8:54 pm

   edit: I don’t think Clinton stands a chance, come November. The only candidate who can beat Trump is Bernie.

   I think I’ll take the bookie’s numbers.

   http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-winner

   https://electionbettingodds.com/
   • Colonial Viper 9.1

     20 May 2016 at 9:33 pm

     how did those bookies rate Trump a year ago.
10. North 10

    20 May 2016 at 9:18 pm

    The sadness is that it’s never gonna not be Drumpf and Clinton. If it goes the Drumpf way…….hold on to your seats. There are vast parts of the map for whom a consummate narcissist’s “You’re fired !” does not compute.
11. DoublePlusGood 11

    21 May 2016 at 12:16 am

    I think at this point Bernie Sanders should just try to get on the ballot as an independant in as many states as possible, split as much vote as possible, and try and pick up a few electoral college votes – like by winning Washington, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, Hawaii and Minnesota, to give him 40 electoral college votes, piss everyone off, and show how truly ridiculous the US system is. Yeah, that would be a Trump win, but the US might learn something.
    • Colonial Viper 11.1

      21 May 2016 at 12:20 am

      You’re positioning Bernie’s motivations as being pretty superficial and spolier oriented.

      Don’t you think that is substantially underestimating the political experience of the man and also underestimating what he is trying to accomplish.
      • DoublePlusGood 11.1.1

        23 May 2016 at 4:21 pm

        Sure, that’s fair. At this point though, the US badly needs a proportional system of representation. Tanking this election for the democrats might be about the only thing that could get them to see sense in that area.
        • Colonial Viper 11.1.1.1

          23 May 2016 at 4:26 pm

          Worth remembering that the “Founding Fathers” worked very hard to put together an electoral system that was anathema to popular democracy. From the appointed senate, to the electoral college, to Blacks, Women and non-propertied white men not having the vote, the list goes on and on.

          Also the Democratic Party super delegate system was put in place (in the late 70s?) to ensure that the ordinary membership could never overturn the will of the party hierarchy.
          • DoublePlusGood 11.1.1.1.1

            23 May 2016 at 7:59 pm

            For sure! Also, the politics nerd in me wants to see what would happen over 50 years or so if they switched to MMP.
            • Colonial Viper 11.1.1.1.1.1

              23 May 2016 at 8:34 pm

              Another point of note is that the USA is made up of 5 or 6 distinctly different geo-cultural regions which could break up into their own countries in the future…
    • happynz 11.2

      21 May 2016 at 4:06 am

      Good grief…this burn it to the ground sentiment again.
12. te reo putake 12

    21 May 2016 at 10:54 am

    This is actually a tweet from last year. Clinton tweeted that hate was not an American value and that love trumps hate. It’s been turned into a bumper sticker. So no payment to marketers, no big campaign. Just a clever quip from the next president that’s been picked up by her supporters.
    • Colonial Viper 12.1

      21 May 2016 at 11:51 am

      Product featuring this slogan is available from her official campaign store.

      At the least, it has been vetted through her campaign and marketing management process.
      • te reo putake 12.1.1

        21 May 2016 at 1:09 pm

        So what? Its now a popular fundraiser for Clinton and also used by Bernie Sanders campaign team. Rather than being an expensive mistake it’s actually really clever politics.
        • Colonial Viper 12.1.1.1

          21 May 2016 at 1:12 pm

          Well good luck to Clinton.

          I still say Trump owes her brilliant team a thank you card.
    • te reo putake 12.2

      21 May 2016 at 11:51 am

      Oh, and picked up by Bernie Sanders too!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dubPLpQMHM
13. dancerwaitakere 13

    21 May 2016 at 10:55 am

    CV, the ‘Love Trumps Hate’ slogan has taken off around the USA. It is sported by people across the various parts of the Dems. It is on tshirts, bumber stickers, homemade signs.

    At the Bernie rally I was just at in Sacramento this slogan was a rallying cry for Democrats and it works. You provide little analysis besides reading the first two words of a slogan and deeming them to be more important than the last word. Also, hating on Hillary Clinton is absolutely pointless, just as Hillary supporters hating Bernie is pointless. Whoever is the nominee will need the support of the entire Democratic population and progressive aligned independents to win in November.
    • Colonial Viper 13.1

      21 May 2016 at 12:13 pm

      Hi dancerwaitakere,

      Thanks for your report from the ground, which is invaluable.

      The point of this post is to suggest that while Clinton supporters may “love” the slogan, the message it puts out to undecideds, independents and Trump supporters, may not always be what is intended.

      As for “hating on” Hillary, I think as President she will bring the world to the brink of nuclear conflict with both China and Russia.
      • Phil 13.1.1

        23 May 2016 at 1:17 pm

        As for “hating on” Hillary, I think as President she will bring the world to the brink of nuclear conflict with both China and Russia.

        You can think whatever you want… but this is some A-grade delusional bullshit, dude, even for you. Even more so when you consider that Trump has been pretty vocal his foreign policy stance would allow for great nuclear proliferation.
        • Colonial Viper 13.1.1.1

          23 May 2016 at 4:29 pm

          Iraq, Libya, Syria, Venezuela, Brazil, Ukraine, the NATO-isation of Eastern Europe: all big Clinton supported and sometimes Clinton led hybrid war projects.

          So hardly delusional at all. Very realistic in fact.
          • Phil 13.1.1.1.1

            23 May 2016 at 4:46 pm

            …and have any of those bought “the world to the brink of nuclear conflict”?
            No. No, they have not.

            You know what WOULD bring the world to the brink of nuclear conflict?
            – Turning a blind eye to nuclear proliferation around the Sea of Japan.
            – Ripping up the nuclear agreement with Iran

            There’s only one presumptive nominee for President advocating these polices, and it sure as hell ain’t Clinton.
14. Mosa 14

    21 May 2016 at 11:19 am

    If only the Dem voters had supported Bernie instead of putting their faith in another Clinton then they would get real change in America.
    Instead they will get the status quo or worse with Trump.
    Good to see Bernie is staying in the race untill July breathing down Hillary’s neck and pushing his message.
    Could have been a hell of a contest.
    • Phil 14.1

      23 May 2016 at 1:21 pm

      What makes you think Democrat voters want change from the status quo? More of them have voted for Hillary than Bernie. Ergo, she’s offering what ‘the people’ want.
      • Mosa 14.1.1

        23 May 2016 at 1:47 pm

        I think it’s the novelty of a woman candidate,name recognition and policy experience.
        • Phil 14.1.1.1

          23 May 2016 at 2:26 pm

          the novelty of a woman candidate

          Wow, that’s not patronising AT ALL.
15. Jenny 15

    22 May 2016 at 4:37 am

    To rule the Empire State,
    Love Trump’s hate,
    Make America Grate,
    Seal the Climate’s fate.

    In the year 2016 it has fallen to the Democratic Party Super Delegates to make one of the most far reaching political decisions of all time; Fate has handed these favoured few the power to decide whether Donald Trump, a climate change denier, or Bernie Sanders a climate change hawk, gets to become the president of the most powerful country in the world in the age of climate change.

    Latest polls suggest that the Democratic Party Super Delegates don’t have the power to make Hilary Clinton president.

    Will the Super Delegates fumble the ball?
    • Jenny 15.1

      22 May 2016 at 9:44 am

      ‘

      What are Superdelegates?

      “We in the House, as the last vestige of Democratic Control at the national level, believe we have a special responsibility to develop new innovative approaches that respond to our Party’s constituencies.” Congressman Gillis Long
      (Testimony before the Hunt Commission, November 6, 1981)

      “We must also give our convention more flexibility to respond to changing circumstances and, in cases where the voters’ mandate is less than clear, to make a reasoned choice.” Governor Jim Hunt, Chairman of the Hunt Commission, December 15, 1981

      https://www.hks.harvard.edu/news-events/news/news-archive/history-of-superdelegates

      Technical Advisory Committee Member Susan Estrich of Massachusetts argued that creating a new category of delegates who were not subject to the fair reflection and candidate right of approval rules would create a new status of delegate which she referred to as “super-delegates.”

      https://www.hks.harvard.edu/news-events/news/news-archive/history-of-superdelegates

      Where did the Superdelegates come from?

      The promised tussle between Hilary Clinton and Bernie Sanders at the Democratic Convention, promises to be a virtual rerun of the 1980 convention contest between Jimmy Carter and Edward Kennedy.

      The 1980 Democratic Convention

      Jimmy Carter vs Edward Kennedy

      The 1980 Democratic presidential nomination race between Jimmy Carter and Edward Kennedy described as “especially bitter and contentious”, ended with a contested Democratic Party Convention.
      The convention fight centered upon the rule that bound delegates to support the candidate in whose name they were elected.
      Kennedy in an effort to convince Carter delegates that they should abandon Carter and instead support him, raised a series of rule challenges.

      Edward Kennedy did not achieve the rule changes he wanted at the convention, and the delegates duly gave their votes to Jimmy Carter.

      Subsequently a 1981 special party commission set up to investigate conference rule changes, did make the changes Kennedy had sought.
      These changes made it a right for a prospective presidential nominee to lobby a new category of unaffiliated delegates at the conference.

      Because the current contest has been close, neither Clinton, nor Sanders, can close the nomination without the added support of the Superdelegates.

      This is just the reason, the Superdelegates were created.

      Hilary Clinton knows this, and is what is behind her repeated efforts to get Bernie Sanders to step down.

      Who will the Superdelegates back?

      Most of the Superdelegates are conservative inner party apparatchiks and generally favour Clinton over Sanders.

      Against this, it is becoming increasingly clear that Clinton will struggle to contain Trump, where polls show that Sanders would run away with the election.

      Will the Superdelegates make the right decision?

      History will be the judge.
      • Colonial Viper 15.1.1

        22 May 2016 at 9:50 am

        Americans would love an old fashioned New Deal Democrat and vote for Bernie in droves.
        • Phil 15.1.1.1

          25 May 2016 at 3:25 pm

          Except so far, you know, they haven’t.
          • Jenny 15.1.1.1.1

            28 May 2016 at 2:21 am

            Because they have never had the chance, well at least not since Eugene V.
            Debs.
      • Jenny 15.1.2

        22 May 2016 at 10:14 am

        History’s judgement of the Democratic Party Super Delegate system will be particularly harsh if Trump wins.

        To prevent a spectacularly bizarre Republican victory, due to a poor choice of Democratic Nominee, is one of the reasons that the oversight system of Superdelegates was created.
16. Phil 16

    23 May 2016 at 12:53 pm

    Because the current contest has been close, neither Clinton, nor Sanders, can close the nomination without the added support of the Superdelegates.

    *Sigh*

    In 2008, neither Barrack Obama nor Hillary Clinton were able to close the nomination on pledged delegates alone. Superdelegates voted in support of Obama, because he had the higher tally of popular votes (both in terms of raw vote totals and pledged delegates).

    In 2004, John Kerry outperformed expectations in the first two primary states (Iowa and New Hamp.) then had Super Delegates endorse him in a big way and he romped home to the nomination.

    In 2000, Al Gore was basically anointed as the Democratic nominee the moment he and Clinton won reelection in 1996. Any other serious contenders were pressured not to stand for the nomination.

    The bottom line is: Bernie Sanders is not special. He’s not being treated any differently to any other nominee who ultimately loses out. The primary campaign is not ‘rigged’ against him because of Superdelegates. He and his supporters need to get their heads out of the arse.
    • Jenny 16.1

      28 May 2016 at 4:21 am

      “The bottom line is: Bernie Sanders is not special. He’s not being treated any differently to any other nominee who ultimately loses out. The primary campaign is not ‘rigged’ against him because of Superdelegates. He and his supporters need to get their heads out of the arse.”
      Phil

      Dear Phil,

      I have never suggested anywhere that the primary campaign is ‘rigged’ against Bernie Sanders.

      Bernie Sanders has expressed his determination to use the system of primaries and especially his determination to win the Super Delegates at the Democratic Conference. Something that Hilarly Clinton also has to do, if she wants the nomination.

      Your intemperate use of rude and abusive language invoking obscene imagery aimed at Sanders supporters like myself, tells me something, about your desperation and weakness at the very real threat that Bernie Sanders still poses to your preferred candidate.

      Let the contest begin.

      Why Bernie Sanders Still Can — and Should — Win the Nomination

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