National claims credit for Waitangi Day

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1. UncookedSelachimorpha 1

   7 February 2018 at 8:45 am

   ‘Bill English was in Bluff on Waitangi Day, after finding all flights to Australia were full’
2. ianmac 2

   7 February 2018 at 8:53 am

   How graphic are those two Enzo Giordani Photos! Brilliant contrast.
   • One Anonymous Bloke 2.1

     7 February 2018 at 8:54 am

     Yep. Brilliant 🙂
   • AB 2.2

     7 February 2018 at 12:14 pm

     Yeah – but remember Old Zealand are not just boring gits in suits standing round in Bluff. They have the money – their supporters own the companies that made the breakfast sausages and bacon that Kelvin and the PM are cooking in the other photo. They’ll fight to the death.
3. Chris 3

   7 February 2018 at 8:59 am

   Don’t get the article sorry,

   The newshub article doesn’t say they are trying to take much credit, if any

   The quotes from Joyce and English don’t make any mention of the move being Nationals decision

   In fact Joyce even says

   “The Ngāpuhi iwi had decided they wanted a more positive celebration, he told 1News.”

   To me they are just saying it ain’t all Ardern’s hype
   • mickysavage 3.1

     7 February 2018 at 9:22 am

     They want to take some of the credit for this year’s Bay of Islands celebrations, which have been without the acrimony and protest that marked previous events.

     They then raise two matters that others deserve the credit for, not them.

     In particular their claim the ceremony has been taken around the country by them is clearly not correct.
     • Chris 3.1.1

       7 February 2018 at 9:58 am

       Fair point

       The Newshub reporter is also distorting the two quotes

       They raised matters and neither are taking credit for it in the two quotes
   • Arthur 3.2

     7 February 2018 at 9:29 am

     Didn’t Bill English say on Morning Report a week or two back, I’m paraphrasing. The only reason the PM can go to Waitangi is because I didn’t go last year.
     • alwyn 3.2.1

       7 February 2018 at 2:40 pm

       Why don’t you go to the trouble of looking it up.
       Google is pretty good at finding such statements – if they exist rather than being the product of your imagination.
   • Anon 3.3

     7 February 2018 at 10:40 am

     But why did they decide that? Jacinda factor? Because Bill didn’t go last year? Something else? A combination?
     • Chris 3.3.1

       7 February 2018 at 9:46 pm

       They have been talking about doing it for a few years.

       Are you saying it’s suddenly a new idea?
4. patricia bremner 4

   7 February 2018 at 9:05 am

   That follows the pattern. The National Party in government claimed successes and blamed others for failures, and continue in opposition.
   The contrast between nobody going to Waitangi from the previous goverment and this one going for 5 days…. well.

   No way were they going to admit that the whole situation had changed. No, they had caused the change don’t you know? LOL.

   Ngapuhi wanted a different outcome. They wanted a different venue so hospitality could reign. It did.

   So Ngapuhi were able to talk to Jacinda and her government over 5 days. Jacinda was given a platform by Ngapuhi. This was exceptional. Equals meeting to share.

   This is just a beginning. It set the scene for empathy understanding and trust. Jacinda has asked to be judged on what she has done to improve things, next and future Waitangi visits.

   We all benefit by a more inclusive and open mandate. But Government and Ngapuhi will be watched and judged by all those wanting change, and by those who think they have the answers to complex issues.
5. mac1 5

   7 February 2018 at 9:12 am

   Enzo’s photo juxtaposition. One could jest that National is just bluffing about returning to Wellington.

   They’re like the naughty kids who place themselves at the back of the classroom to get away from teachers’ gaze, by going down to Bluff.

   Meanwhile, the favourite teacher is mobbed at break and the playground is full of happy people long after the official bell has gone. The marae with the breakfast hosted by ministers was described by radio as buzzing with people and the navy band actually got to play to people still there whereas in the past everybody shot through and left the band to play to the organisers doing the tidying up.

   There is a profound message in the two photos. One group out of touch, seeking solace in their own company, smile and wave. That photo reminds me off the photo of English making a speech in a warehouse full of empty pallets during the election.

   The other has a deeper message- that these ministers understand the role of ministry. They must minister to the people’s needs and symbolically food is a basic priority and need. They will cook for the people, working for the people, being of service as servants must.

   It has an echo of Lake Galilee and the feeding of the people who had come to attend and hear new messages of hope, reconciliation and properly appropriate behaviour.

   And at the end of the festivities, as is proper and to her credit, the Prime Minister thanked the cooks, nga ringawerawera, for their work.
   • Anne 5.1

     7 February 2018 at 9:34 am

     That photo reminds me off the photo of English making a speech in a warehouse full of empty pallets during the election.

     And the one of former Nat. Minister, Woodhouse delivering a speech behind a lecturn on an empty beach with two dogs for audience,
     • mac1 5.1.1

       7 February 2018 at 9:42 am

       “on an empty beach”………… Anne, that was his interpretation of ‘smile and wave’ learned from John Key. 🙂
6. faroutdude 6

   7 February 2018 at 9:31 am

   I’m hoping there were some healthy food options at the breakfast. Photo’s I’ve seen show an obesity epidemic amongst the tangata whenua up there, bacon butties wouldn’t have seemed the best option. Also hoping they were all free range eggs and ethically-sourced bacon.
   I do agree with Chris above however. I don’t see any “credit” being taken by any Nats for the decision to move the venue.
   However I do look forward to the Author taking issue with the claims from the Govt Members that somehow Labour has pulled off a coup with the TPPA, considering this from Jane Kelsey. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11989194
   Maybe calling something “Progressive” is a fundamental change, like “having a conversation”
   But I’m glad Waitangi day went well up North, and down South, and we didn’t have these pathetic dildo throwers embarrassing themselves and NZ.
   • Psycho Milt 6.1

     7 February 2018 at 2:17 pm

     I’m hoping there were some healthy food options at the breakfast.

     There were. Bacon and eggs is a superbly healthy breakast. Making sandwiches with the bacon would bring in way too many carbs, but the healthy option was certainly available.
7. Draco T Bastard 7

   7 February 2018 at 10:02 am

   They spent nine long years blaming everything that happened during their reign on the previous Labour Government.

   Most of them have spent their entire lives blaming other people for things going wrong while ignoring their own actions that caused things to go wrong.

   Are we now going to have the reverse happen where they will claim credit for everything that the Labour NZ First Green government or others achieve?

   Probably. They’ve always done it before.
8. Cinny 8

   7 February 2018 at 10:08 am

   ROFL!!! That Newshub headline, tories will be upset…
   “Waitangi success down to us – National Party”

   Since the only protest was from a small group of upset/jealous people from Te Tii Marae because they were stripped of their hosting rights, were the protesters in essence actually protesting against Ngāpuhi since they were the ones who moved it? Or were they protesting national since they are trying to claim fame for moving it?

   Te Tii Marae banned the media last year unless they paid thousands of dollars. Money over freedom of speech, that speaks volumes.

   It’s a new dawn, it’s a new day, it’s a new life…
   
9. Philg 9

   7 February 2018 at 10:20 am

   English ‘Bluff’ photo caption –
   ‘Right guys, where to from here … Antarctica?’
10. Cinny 10

    7 February 2018 at 10:30 am

    Paid content so am unable to read it, but here is the teaser

    The National Business Review |
    https://www.nbr.co.nz/

    Bill English takes credit for dignified political day at Waitangi.
11. Enzo 11

    7 February 2018 at 10:33 am

    It’s annoying that so many of the headlines still have the word “protests” in them even though it’s noting their absence. It’s like they can’t bring themselves to talk about Waitangi without evoking that word to remind us all what it’s supposed to be like in their eyes. Even though the day itself has always been unrecognisable from the media portrayal. Everyone else is moving on, I wish the media would too.
    • Sacha 11.1

      7 February 2018 at 1:33 pm

      They obey their (pay)masters.
    • tc 11.2

      7 February 2018 at 5:01 pm

      Don’t let the truth get in the way of the agreed shit stirring narrative/click bait.

      You can see why bots could do that task for them as Bezos showed at washington post with autopublished articles not written by a human.

      Few key phrases and away you go.
12. mauī 12

    7 February 2018 at 11:15 am

    Today Bluff, next year New York!
    • UncookedSelachimorpha 12.1

      7 February 2018 at 4:56 pm

      Unless JK has the spare room made up at the mansion in Hawaii?
13. Antoine 13

    7 February 2018 at 2:30 pm

    Would you laugh at Ardern being hit in the face with a sex toy? If not, then maybe think twice about laughing at Joyce.

    A.

    PS I agree he is a dork
    • UncookedSelachimorpha 13.1

      7 February 2018 at 4:57 pm

      I expect Ardern’s reaction would be very good natured and funny!
      • Antoine 13.1.1

        8 February 2018 at 1:55 am

        [head scratch] what do you think she might do??
    • Muttonbird 13.2

      7 February 2018 at 5:35 pm

      Just not sure Ardern generates the same sort of reaction. She does with you of course!
    • rhinocrates 13.3

      7 February 2018 at 5:57 pm

      Ooh, I love counterfactuals! “Imagine if Napoleon had won the Second World War, what if something completely different from actually happened had happened because someone was a completely different person?”

      Imagine your reaction if:

      Jacinda Ardern had clubbed a baby Harp Seal.
      Blinglish hadn’t been a dick last year.
      Jacinda wore a pantsuit.
      Jacinda had announced that Thingee would be the next Governor General.
      Jacinda pulled off her rubber mask and showed that she was in fact Cersei Lannister.

      This is fun!

      She didn’t get a dildo thrown at her because she isn’t an arrogant, ignorant, disrespectful racist git. Get it Antoine?

      So I’m going to laugh at Prostetnic Vogon Joyce as much as I like, unless he reads his poetry, in which case I’ll run away screaming.

      R.
      • One Anonymous Bloke 13.3.1

        7 February 2018 at 6:11 pm

        😆

        Or I shall rend thee in the gobberwarts…

        O.A.B.
        • rhinocrates 13.3.1.1

          7 February 2018 at 6:45 pm

          Put that blurgletruncheon away!
      • Chuck 13.3.2

        7 February 2018 at 6:26 pm

        Everyone knows dildos are the weapon of choice for progressive types…

        Jacinda is therefore safe from any potential dildo attack 🙂
        • Muttonbird 13.3.2.1

          7 February 2018 at 8:53 pm

          Not saying it’ll happen here but the weapons of choice for conservative types are knives and guns.
          • Antoine 13.3.2.1.1

            8 February 2018 at 1:55 am

            The day someone has a go at a NZ progressive politician with a knife or gun (*), you can say that.

            A.

            (*) Which I hope never comes
    • UncookedSelachimorpha 13.4

      7 February 2018 at 9:49 pm

      A link to the reasons the dildo was thrown .

      Having said that – Ardern might get one thrown at her, the protester was particularly opposing the TPPA, which Labour have backed with arguably only cosmetic changes.
      • Antoine 13.4.1

        7 February 2018 at 10:59 pm

        > Ardern might get one thrown at her

        Hope everyone here is cool with that then.

        A.
        • rhinocrates 13.4.1.1

          7 February 2018 at 11:32 pm

          Yeah sure. You see, I don’t see a party as being anything more than a service agency. If it fails in its role, then it’s out. Respect for Cartman’s Authoritah simply because it puts on shiny hat (chocolate fish for anyone who gets the Firefly reference)? Fuck that. Labour paid the price for disrespecting its support and hopefully it’s learned its lesson. If not, fuck ’em. Again.

          You see, or probably you can’t, worship of authority for its own sake is not a socialist ideal. The tories in Britain were happy to elect a pigfucker as Prime Minister after all simply because he’d been to Eton. Put striped pants and a funny hat on something and watch it do a silly walk and you’ll bow down to it as if it were God Almighty.

          The fact remains, Jacinda Ardern did not act like a stupid racist git with a sense of entitlement as big as Canada and she didn’t get a dildo thrown at her. Figure it out.

          R.
          • Antoine 13.4.1.1.1

            8 February 2018 at 1:54 am

            Well, if you wanna be the kind of guy who swears at strangers on the internet and supports dildo throwing, that’s up to you.

            A.
14. Tanz 14

    7 February 2018 at 6:31 pm

    National have paid our far more in treaty settlements than Labour ever did. They have improved race relations in NZ hugely within the last nine years and they probably don’t see why English was denied speaking rights last year, but Ardern allowed them this. Why should the rules be different? National have done much indeed to improve the lot of everyone in NZ, not that they get the thanks they deserve. Finlayson was so generous, and National have scraped and bowed under the Key regime. Frankly, it goes unappreciated. Why should Ardern be off-limits? National leaders never were. but it’s just an inner hatred of National, no matter what they do.
    Ardern is not a Queen, but one would be forgiven for thinking so! (anointed and all that).
    • Muttonbird 14.1

      7 February 2018 at 6:40 pm

      Ah, good. You’ve finally moved from denial to disbelief. Acceptance is just over the horizon.
      • Anne 14.1.1

        7 February 2018 at 8:18 pm

        Acceptance is just over the horizon.

        We wish… 🙁
    • rhinocrates 14.2

      7 February 2018 at 6:43 pm

      You might think so, but Maori think for themselves and act accordingly.

      Oh the impertinence!, you might say, but I never cease to be amused by the reflexive belief by tories that Auhoritah is due automatic respect and gratitude as if they were Eric Cartman. (We also had poor, delicate diddums Wayne complaining that people weren’t respecting him enough a little while back.)

      Labour has fucked up enormously in the past, taking Maori for granted and treating them with disrespect – Danyl McLaughlin (sp?) said once that Helen Clarke’s two biggest mistakes were the Foreshore and Seabed Act and the 2008 party list. I agree with him on that at least. Jacinda Ardern’s trying to rectify at least one of those mistakes, if not in law yet.

      Tories have to understand that respect is reciprocal and it is not adulation given by the governed to the government as an automatic right.
    • Chuck 14.3

      7 February 2018 at 6:52 pm

      National could have ceded Maori tino rangatiratanga of the South Island and still, Labour would be seen as the preferred option for the Maori vote.

      They (National) are on a hiding to nothing.

      Yet we have NZF and Winston as part of the current Government with his vote baiting call to abolish the Maori seats. Go figure…
      • Tanz 14.3.1

        7 February 2018 at 7:14 pm

        Yes, I agree with all that, Chuck. National are wasting their time trying to kowtow to Maori. Winston’s pre-election promise re abolishing the Maori seats was yet just another lie…anything to get elected, now silent on many promises, and backtracking. Still, at least it’s his last hurrah, with a rather sad legacy.
        • One Anonymous Bloke 14.3.1.1

          7 February 2018 at 7:22 pm

          Winston’s always had a weakness for the gullible bigot (is that a tautology much?) vote.

          Who did you vote for again?
          • rhinocrates 14.3.1.1.1

            7 February 2018 at 7:30 pm

            kowtow to Maori.

            Oh, so Maori are something ‘other’, apart from the New Zealand electorate and New Zealand was Terra Nullis?

            I’d just like you to be explicit about your views on race and tangata whenua.
        • Jack Ramaka 14.3.1.2

          7 February 2018 at 8:08 pm

          Agree Winston and NZF have appeared to have lost support from the Maori Communities banging on about abolishing the Maori Seats.

          NZF appears to have lost interest in the Maori Seats, strange seeing as they once held all the Maori Seats after the first MMP Election, until the Waka Jumpers like Tau Henare etc jumped ship and went over to National ?
    • Jack Ramaka 14.4

      7 February 2018 at 7:03 pm

      Tanz Maori have been lucky to even get 1% of the value of the land taken by the Crown, and theft by the State, the whole Maori Issue is extremely complex which is well above your level of intelligence. It is not a Labour vs National Issue, both have been negligent in dealings with Maori.

      Every iwi, hapu and whanau have their own individual identity, so to classify Maori in one broad basket as the New Zealand Media does, displays their ignorance of Maori. Ngapuhi, Waikato, Ngati Porou, Tuwharetoa, Ngai Tahu are all independent entities who have had differing relationships with the Crown, many worked with the Crown to quell uprisings in the 18th Century to help avoid the outbreak of Civil War here in New Zealand, especially when Te Kooti and the Hauhau’s were causing chaos in the Central North Island & the East Coast.

      Governor Bledisloe purchased the Waitangi Treaty Grounds and gifted them back to New Zealand from what I understand, and Ngapuhi the local iwi, host the Waitangi Day Celebrations.
    • Jack Ramaka 14.5

      7 February 2018 at 7:06 pm

      “Adern is not a Queen”, well the media and the NZ Public certainly think she is the best thing, since sliced bread ?

      A bit like when John Key was elected he was treated like Jesus “the public thought he could actually walk on water” ?
15. Jack Ramaka 15

    7 February 2018 at 6:59 pm

    Tanz Maori have been lucky to even get 1% of the value of the land taken by the Crown, and theft by the State, the whole Maori Issue is extremely complex which is well above your level of intelligence. It is not a Labour vs National Issue, both have been negligent in dealings with Maori.

    Every iwi, hapu and whanau have their own individual identity, so to classify Maori in one broad basket as the New Zealand Media does, displays their ignorance of Maori. Ngapuhi, Waikato, Ngati Porou, Tuwharetoa, Ngai Tahu are all independent entities who have had differing relationships with the Crown, many worked with the Crown to quell uprisings in the 18th Century to help avoid the outbreak of Civil War here in New Zealand, especially when Te Kooti and the Hauhau’s were causing chaos in the Central North Island & the East Coast.

    Governor Bledisloe purchased the Waitangi Treaty Grounds and gifted them back to New Zealand from what I understand, and Ngapuhi the local iwi, host the Waitangi Day Celebrations.
16. mary_a 16

    7 February 2018 at 8:25 pm

    TANZ (14) …

    Jacinda Ardern may not be a Queen, but getting fairly close to that status, judging by how much loved and respected she is. However, she is proving to be one of the best PM’s NZ has had, up there with the likes of Labour greats Michael Savage and Norman Kirk. She is a PM of the people just as they were, ready and willing to serve, a fact Northern Maori tribes recognised and respected. This Waitangi Day proved that and one of the main reasons I’d say she was given the privilege of speaking on marae.
17. Matthew Whitehead 17

    7 February 2018 at 9:39 pm

    I will give them credit, at least, for losing the election, I mean, arguably none of this could have happened without that brave “decision” from National, lol. 😉
18. greywarshark 18

    7 February 2018 at 10:31 pm

    In the picture of Old New Zealand they look like a bunch of real estate agents lining up for a company photo. Their natural platform?
    • Jack Ramaka 18.1

      8 February 2018 at 4:40 am

      They look as if they all work for Harcourts Real Estate ?
19. rhinocrates 19

    8 February 2018 at 12:02 am

    Personally, I find Tanz and Antoine absolutely hilarious with their fixation on dildoes.

    Jacinda Ardern didn’t get one thrown at her because she didn’t act like a swine.

    “Oh yes, but suppose she had! No, really. What if it actually happened! Even though it didn’t!”

    Okaaayy… Is this some kind of wish fulfilment fantasy? Now I don’t want to get all Freudian about this, but a couple of people do seem to have gone on a rather damp and sticky pleasure cruise into the depths of their subconscious.
20. Jack Ramaka 20

    8 February 2018 at 4:44 am

    Antoine is upset that Jacinda didn’t get hit in the face with a sex toy like Dildo Baggins did ?

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