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National claims credit for Waitangi Day

Written By: - Date published: 8:21 am, February 7th, 2018 - 58 comments
Categories: bill english, greens, jacinda ardern, labour, making shit up, Media, national, nz first, same old national, Steven Joyce, the praiseworthy and the pitiful, you couldn't make this shit up - Tags:

I did not think I would ever have a need to use this graphic again. But National claiming that they are responsible for the successful Waitangi Day celebration is delusional and the graphic seems very appropriate.

From Newshub:

Senior National figures are dismissing suggestions peaceful events at Waitangi are the sole result of the feel-good effect of Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and her Labour-led Government.

They want to take some of the credit for this year’s Bay of Islands celebrations, which have been without the acrimony and protest that marked previous events.

Senior MP Steven Joyce, who had a sex toy thrown at him in 2016, says that can be put down to moving the politicians’ welcome to the upper marae at Waitangi, and National taking celebrations around the country.

The Ngāpuhi iwi had decided they wanted a more positive celebration, he told 1News.

“I think probably a little bit much to sheet it home to her [Ms Ardern]. It’s really been the shift of Ngāpuhi and the decision to bring it up to the main Treaty grounds.”

National leader Bill English, who last year refused to attend Waitangi as Prime Minister in a dispute over speaking rights, credited the decision to go elsewhere in the country for a better atmosphere.

“I think the decision worked. What had been going on there was not about dissent, it was just about disorganisation and disrespect,” he told RNZ from Bluff, where he is attending Ngāi Tahu celebrations.

What is most bizarre is that the first aspect they claim credit for, the moving of the celebration from the lower to the upper marae was the decision of the Waitangi Trust Board and not National. And many of the the nation wide celebrations have been going on for a while. For instance the Waitangi day festival held at Hoani Waititi Marae that English attended last year has been going on for a number of years and is the work of the marae and Te Whanau o Waipareira with some help from Auckland Council and the local licensing trusts with no assistance from Central Government. Taking credit for a decision made by another entity and for a festival run by another entity while at the same time dismissing Jacinda’s clear effect on the event is just petty not to mention dishonest.

They spent nine long years blaming everything that happened during their reign on the previous Labour Government. Are we now going to have the reverse happen where they will claim credit for everything that the Labour NZ First Green government or others achieve?

Finally one of the contenders for best use of social media has been found. Take a bow Enzo.


58 comments on “National claims credit for Waitangi Day”

  1. UncookedSelachimorpha 1

    ‘Bill English was in Bluff on Waitangi Day, after finding all flights to Australia were full’

  2. ianmac 2

    How graphic are those two Enzo Giordani Photos! Brilliant contrast.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 2.1

      Yep. Brilliant 🙂

    • AB 2.2

      Yeah – but remember Old Zealand are not just boring gits in suits standing round in Bluff. They have the money – their supporters own the companies that made the breakfast sausages and bacon that Kelvin and the PM are cooking in the other photo. They’ll fight to the death.

  3. Chris 3

    Don’t get the article sorry,

    The newshub article doesn’t say they are trying to take much credit, if any

    The quotes from Joyce and English don’t make any mention of the move being Nationals decision

    In fact Joyce even says

    “The Ngāpuhi iwi had decided they wanted a more positive celebration, he told 1News.”

    To me they are just saying it ain’t all Ardern’s hype

    • mickysavage 3.1

      They want to take some of the credit for this year’s Bay of Islands celebrations, which have been without the acrimony and protest that marked previous events.

      They then raise two matters that others deserve the credit for, not them.

      In particular their claim the ceremony has been taken around the country by them is clearly not correct.

      • Chris 3.1.1

        Fair point

        The Newshub reporter is also distorting the two quotes

        They raised matters and neither are taking credit for it in the two quotes

    • Arthur 3.2

      Didn’t Bill English say on Morning Report a week or two back, I’m paraphrasing. The only reason the PM can go to Waitangi is because I didn’t go last year.

      • alwyn 3.2.1

        Why don’t you go to the trouble of looking it up.
        Google is pretty good at finding such statements – if they exist rather than being the product of your imagination.

    • Anon 3.3

      But why did they decide that? Jacinda factor? Because Bill didn’t go last year? Something else? A combination?

      • Chris 3.3.1

        They have been talking about doing it for a few years.

        Are you saying it’s suddenly a new idea?

  4. patricia bremner 4

    That follows the pattern. The National Party in government claimed successes and blamed others for failures, and continue in opposition.
    The contrast between nobody going to Waitangi from the previous goverment and this one going for 5 days…. well.

    No way were they going to admit that the whole situation had changed. No, they had caused the change don’t you know? LOL.

    Ngapuhi wanted a different outcome. They wanted a different venue so hospitality could reign. It did.

    So Ngapuhi were able to talk to Jacinda and her government over 5 days. Jacinda was given a platform by Ngapuhi. This was exceptional. Equals meeting to share.

    This is just a beginning. It set the scene for empathy understanding and trust. Jacinda has asked to be judged on what she has done to improve things, next and future Waitangi visits.

    We all benefit by a more inclusive and open mandate. But Government and Ngapuhi will be watched and judged by all those wanting change, and by those who think they have the answers to complex issues.

  5. mac1 5

    Enzo’s photo juxtaposition. One could jest that National is just bluffing about returning to Wellington.

    They’re like the naughty kids who place themselves at the back of the classroom to get away from teachers’ gaze, by going down to Bluff.

    Meanwhile, the favourite teacher is mobbed at break and the playground is full of happy people long after the official bell has gone. The marae with the breakfast hosted by ministers was described by radio as buzzing with people and the navy band actually got to play to people still there whereas in the past everybody shot through and left the band to play to the organisers doing the tidying up.

    There is a profound message in the two photos. One group out of touch, seeking solace in their own company, smile and wave. That photo reminds me off the photo of English making a speech in a warehouse full of empty pallets during the election.

    The other has a deeper message- that these ministers understand the role of ministry. They must minister to the people’s needs and symbolically food is a basic priority and need. They will cook for the people, working for the people, being of service as servants must.

    It has an echo of Lake Galilee and the feeding of the people who had come to attend and hear new messages of hope, reconciliation and properly appropriate behaviour.

    And at the end of the festivities, as is proper and to her credit, the Prime Minister thanked the cooks, nga ringawerawera, for their work.

    • Anne 5.1

      That photo reminds me off the photo of English making a speech in a warehouse full of empty pallets during the election.

      And the one of former Nat. Minister, Woodhouse delivering a speech behind a lecturn on an empty beach with two dogs for audience,

      • mac1 5.1.1

        “on an empty beach”………… Anne, that was his interpretation of ‘smile and wave’ learned from John Key. 🙂

  6. faroutdude 6

    I’m hoping there were some healthy food options at the breakfast. Photo’s I’ve seen show an obesity epidemic amongst the tangata whenua up there, bacon butties wouldn’t have seemed the best option. Also hoping they were all free range eggs and ethically-sourced bacon.
    I do agree with Chris above however. I don’t see any “credit” being taken by any Nats for the decision to move the venue.
    However I do look forward to the Author taking issue with the claims from the Govt Members that somehow Labour has pulled off a coup with the TPPA, considering this from Jane Kelsey. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11989194
    Maybe calling something “Progressive” is a fundamental change, like “having a conversation”
    But I’m glad Waitangi day went well up North, and down South, and we didn’t have these pathetic dildo throwers embarrassing themselves and NZ.

    • I’m hoping there were some healthy food options at the breakfast.

      There were. Bacon and eggs is a superbly healthy breakast. Making sandwiches with the bacon would bring in way too many carbs, but the healthy option was certainly available.

  7. They spent nine long years blaming everything that happened during their reign on the previous Labour Government.

    Most of them have spent their entire lives blaming other people for things going wrong while ignoring their own actions that caused things to go wrong.

    Are we now going to have the reverse happen where they will claim credit for everything that the Labour NZ First Green government or others achieve?

    Probably. They’ve always done it before.

  8. Cinny 8

    ROFL!!! That Newshub headline, tories will be upset…
    “Waitangi success down to us – National Party”

    Since the only protest was from a small group of upset/jealous people from Te Tii Marae because they were stripped of their hosting rights, were the protesters in essence actually protesting against Ngāpuhi since they were the ones who moved it? Or were they protesting national since they are trying to claim fame for moving it?

    Te Tii Marae banned the media last year unless they paid thousands of dollars. Money over freedom of speech, that speaks volumes.

    It’s a new dawn, it’s a new day, it’s a new life…

  9. Philg 9

    English ‘Bluff’ photo caption –
    ‘Right guys, where to from here … Antarctica?’

  10. Cinny 10

    Paid content so am unable to read it, but here is the teaser

    The National Business Review |

    Bill English takes credit for dignified political day at Waitangi.

  11. Enzo 11

    It’s annoying that so many of the headlines still have the word “protests” in them even though it’s noting their absence. It’s like they can’t bring themselves to talk about Waitangi without evoking that word to remind us all what it’s supposed to be like in their eyes. Even though the day itself has always been unrecognisable from the media portrayal. Everyone else is moving on, I wish the media would too.

    • Sacha 11.1

      They obey their (pay)masters.

    • tc 11.2

      Don’t let the truth get in the way of the agreed shit stirring narrative/click bait.

      You can see why bots could do that task for them as Bezos showed at washington post with autopublished articles not written by a human.

      Few key phrases and away you go.

  12. mauī 12

    Today Bluff, next year New York!

  13. Antoine 13

    Would you laugh at Ardern being hit in the face with a sex toy? If not, then maybe think twice about laughing at Joyce.


    PS I agree he is a dork

    • UncookedSelachimorpha 13.1

      I expect Ardern’s reaction would be very good natured and funny!

    • Muttonbird 13.2

      Just not sure Ardern generates the same sort of reaction. She does with you of course!

    • rhinocrates 13.3

      Ooh, I love counterfactuals! “Imagine if Napoleon had won the Second World War, what if something completely different from actually happened had happened because someone was a completely different person?”

      Imagine your reaction if:

      Jacinda Ardern had clubbed a baby Harp Seal.
      Blinglish hadn’t been a dick last year.
      Jacinda wore a pantsuit.
      Jacinda had announced that Thingee would be the next Governor General.
      Jacinda pulled off her rubber mask and showed that she was in fact Cersei Lannister.

      This is fun!

      She didn’t get a dildo thrown at her because she isn’t an arrogant, ignorant, disrespectful racist git. Get it Antoine?

      So I’m going to laugh at Prostetnic Vogon Joyce as much as I like, unless he reads his poetry, in which case I’ll run away screaming.


      • One Anonymous Bloke 13.3.1


        Or I shall rend thee in the gobberwarts…


      • Chuck 13.3.2

        Everyone knows dildos are the weapon of choice for progressive types…

        Jacinda is therefore safe from any potential dildo attack 🙂

        • Muttonbird

          Not saying it’ll happen here but the weapons of choice for conservative types are knives and guns.

          • Antoine

            The day someone has a go at a NZ progressive politician with a knife or gun (*), you can say that.


            (*) Which I hope never comes

    • UncookedSelachimorpha 13.4

      A link to the reasons the dildo was thrown .

      Having said that – Ardern might get one thrown at her, the protester was particularly opposing the TPPA, which Labour have backed with arguably only cosmetic changes.

      • Antoine 13.4.1

        > Ardern might get one thrown at her

        Hope everyone here is cool with that then.


        • rhinocrates

          Yeah sure. You see, I don’t see a party as being anything more than a service agency. If it fails in its role, then it’s out. Respect for Cartman’s Authoritah simply because it puts on shiny hat (chocolate fish for anyone who gets the Firefly reference)? Fuck that. Labour paid the price for disrespecting its support and hopefully it’s learned its lesson. If not, fuck ’em. Again.

          You see, or probably you can’t, worship of authority for its own sake is not a socialist ideal. The tories in Britain were happy to elect a pigfucker as Prime Minister after all simply because he’d been to Eton. Put striped pants and a funny hat on something and watch it do a silly walk and you’ll bow down to it as if it were God Almighty.

          The fact remains, Jacinda Ardern did not act like a stupid racist git with a sense of entitlement as big as Canada and she didn’t get a dildo thrown at her. Figure it out.


          • Antoine

            Well, if you wanna be the kind of guy who swears at strangers on the internet and supports dildo throwing, that’s up to you.


  14. Tanz 14

    National have paid our far more in treaty settlements than Labour ever did. They have improved race relations in NZ hugely within the last nine years and they probably don’t see why English was denied speaking rights last year, but Ardern allowed them this. Why should the rules be different? National have done much indeed to improve the lot of everyone in NZ, not that they get the thanks they deserve. Finlayson was so generous, and National have scraped and bowed under the Key regime. Frankly, it goes unappreciated. Why should Ardern be off-limits? National leaders never were. but it’s just an inner hatred of National, no matter what they do.
    Ardern is not a Queen, but one would be forgiven for thinking so! (anointed and all that).

    • Muttonbird 14.1

      Ah, good. You’ve finally moved from denial to disbelief. Acceptance is just over the horizon.

    • rhinocrates 14.2

      You might think so, but Maori think for themselves and act accordingly.

      Oh the impertinence!, you might say, but I never cease to be amused by the reflexive belief by tories that Auhoritah is due automatic respect and gratitude as if they were Eric Cartman. (We also had poor, delicate diddums Wayne complaining that people weren’t respecting him enough a little while back.)

      Labour has fucked up enormously in the past, taking Maori for granted and treating them with disrespect – Danyl McLaughlin (sp?) said once that Helen Clarke’s two biggest mistakes were the Foreshore and Seabed Act and the 2008 party list. I agree with him on that at least. Jacinda Ardern’s trying to rectify at least one of those mistakes, if not in law yet.

      Tories have to understand that respect is reciprocal and it is not adulation given by the governed to the government as an automatic right.

    • Chuck 14.3

      National could have ceded Maori tino rangatiratanga of the South Island and still, Labour would be seen as the preferred option for the Maori vote.

      They (National) are on a hiding to nothing.

      Yet we have NZF and Winston as part of the current Government with his vote baiting call to abolish the Maori seats. Go figure…

      • Tanz 14.3.1

        Yes, I agree with all that, Chuck. National are wasting their time trying to kowtow to Maori. Winston’s pre-election promise re abolishing the Maori seats was yet just another lie…anything to get elected, now silent on many promises, and backtracking. Still, at least it’s his last hurrah, with a rather sad legacy.

        • One Anonymous Bloke

          Winston’s always had a weakness for the gullible bigot (is that a tautology much?) vote.

          Who did you vote for again?

          • rhinocrates

            kowtow to Maori.

            Oh, so Maori are something ‘other’, apart from the New Zealand electorate and New Zealand was Terra Nullis?

            I’d just like you to be explicit about your views on race and tangata whenua.

        • Jack Ramaka

          Agree Winston and NZF have appeared to have lost support from the Maori Communities banging on about abolishing the Maori Seats.

          NZF appears to have lost interest in the Maori Seats, strange seeing as they once held all the Maori Seats after the first MMP Election, until the Waka Jumpers like Tau Henare etc jumped ship and went over to National ?

    • Jack Ramaka 14.4

      Tanz Maori have been lucky to even get 1% of the value of the land taken by the Crown, and theft by the State, the whole Maori Issue is extremely complex which is well above your level of intelligence. It is not a Labour vs National Issue, both have been negligent in dealings with Maori.

      Every iwi, hapu and whanau have their own individual identity, so to classify Maori in one broad basket as the New Zealand Media does, displays their ignorance of Maori. Ngapuhi, Waikato, Ngati Porou, Tuwharetoa, Ngai Tahu are all independent entities who have had differing relationships with the Crown, many worked with the Crown to quell uprisings in the 18th Century to help avoid the outbreak of Civil War here in New Zealand, especially when Te Kooti and the Hauhau’s were causing chaos in the Central North Island & the East Coast.

      Governor Bledisloe purchased the Waitangi Treaty Grounds and gifted them back to New Zealand from what I understand, and Ngapuhi the local iwi, host the Waitangi Day Celebrations.

    • Jack Ramaka 14.5

      “Adern is not a Queen”, well the media and the NZ Public certainly think she is the best thing, since sliced bread ?

      A bit like when John Key was elected he was treated like Jesus “the public thought he could actually walk on water” ?

  15. Jack Ramaka 15

    Tanz Maori have been lucky to even get 1% of the value of the land taken by the Crown, and theft by the State, the whole Maori Issue is extremely complex which is well above your level of intelligence. It is not a Labour vs National Issue, both have been negligent in dealings with Maori.

    Every iwi, hapu and whanau have their own individual identity, so to classify Maori in one broad basket as the New Zealand Media does, displays their ignorance of Maori. Ngapuhi, Waikato, Ngati Porou, Tuwharetoa, Ngai Tahu are all independent entities who have had differing relationships with the Crown, many worked with the Crown to quell uprisings in the 18th Century to help avoid the outbreak of Civil War here in New Zealand, especially when Te Kooti and the Hauhau’s were causing chaos in the Central North Island & the East Coast.

    Governor Bledisloe purchased the Waitangi Treaty Grounds and gifted them back to New Zealand from what I understand, and Ngapuhi the local iwi, host the Waitangi Day Celebrations.

  16. mary_a 16

    TANZ (14) …

    Jacinda Ardern may not be a Queen, but getting fairly close to that status, judging by how much loved and respected she is. However, she is proving to be one of the best PM’s NZ has had, up there with the likes of Labour greats Michael Savage and Norman Kirk. She is a PM of the people just as they were, ready and willing to serve, a fact Northern Maori tribes recognised and respected. This Waitangi Day proved that and one of the main reasons I’d say she was given the privilege of speaking on marae.

  17. I will give them credit, at least, for losing the election, I mean, arguably none of this could have happened without that brave “decision” from National, lol. 😉

  18. greywarshark 18

    In the picture of Old New Zealand they look like a bunch of real estate agents lining up for a company photo. Their natural platform?

  19. rhinocrates 19

    Personally, I find Tanz and Antoine absolutely hilarious with their fixation on dildoes.

    Jacinda Ardern didn’t get one thrown at her because she didn’t act like a swine.

    “Oh yes, but suppose she had! No, really. What if it actually happened! Even though it didn’t!”

    Okaaayy… Is this some kind of wish fulfilment fantasy? Now I don’t want to get all Freudian about this, but a couple of people do seem to have gone on a rather damp and sticky pleasure cruise into the depths of their subconscious.

  20. Jack Ramaka 20

    Antoine is upset that Jacinda didn’t get hit in the face with a sex toy like Dildo Baggins did ?

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