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Open mike 08/09/2015

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  1. Paul 1

    Germany is spending an extra 6 billion euros to look after the 800 000 refugees it is taking.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/07/germany-to-spend-an-extra-6bn-to-fund-record-influx-of-800000-refugees

    John Key whinges about how our services will be stretched by taking 600 emergency extra refugees over 3 years.
    Miserable git.

    • dv 1.1

      Interestingly that works out at 7,500 per refugee or 15,000 ca in $NZ

      Why is NZ cost 81,000 each?

      • Clemgeopin 1.1.1

        Why did our Saudi Sheep sale cost US the $11 million ?
        Why did Steven Joyce’s MBIE building sign cost $67,000 and a 3.49m curved screen in its reception cost more than $140,000?

        Economic mismanagement and Inefficiency of this government or inflated amounts.

      • dv 1.1.2

        OK here is an idea
        WE pay Germany 50,000 refugee.
        They are 35k ahead and we are 30k ahead.
        That sounds like a really good deal!!!
        Watcha think

  2. Paul 2

    If you want a story that demonstrates our ghastly selfish consumerist culture, this is it.
    There is so much that shows the shallowness of our culture, not least the technique of marketing to young children so they nag their parents? Reprehensible. But all part of John Key’s nirvana and aspirational New Zealand.

    And , of course, the Herald thinks this is a more important story than truly ‘desperate’ parents watching their children die in the Mediterranean Sea.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11509350

    • les 2.1

      no fan of Key but a long bow to tie him to that story.

      • Paul 2.1.1

        The link is neoliberalism.
        The values he promotes are the same as those espoused by the marketing divisions of the supermarkets.
        Consume.

    • The Chairman 2.2

      It’s a prime example of how pathetic some in our society have become.

      A frenzy around the country over some stupid plastic dominoes.

  3. AnthonyB 3

    Please can someone start collecting a count of how many times John Key says “you know” when giving an answer. Put it on a website with a counter?

    If we can start making him look like more of a fool for his answers perhaps we may have a chance of him being accountable.

  4. The Chairman 4

    Subcontractors call for tighter controls on companies going bust and then carrying on business under a new entity.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/71759596/subbies-call-for-tighter-controls-on-builders

    • DH 4.1

      Good luck with that one, it’s been going on for as long as I can remember and no Govt has ever show any interest in sorting it out. I long ago concluded National won’t do it because too many of their backers are guilty of it and Labour MPs are just too ignorant about business.

      General securities should simply be banned entirely. They distort the ‘free market’ by transferring most to all of the risk of a business to unsecured creditors. Interest on loans should also never be securable.

      • tc 4.1.1

        What a cop out atitude with a generalised smear on labour MP’s into the bargain….classy.

        More of that ‘free market’ in action. Personal guarantees is a better option then it doesn’t matter what dodgy moves they pull as they are personally liable and you can bankrupt the individual.

        Once again it’s an endemic failure of self regulation in an industry dominated by fletchers/CHH and an industry body that carries as much punch as a wet tissue.

      • The Chairman 4.1.2

        @ DH

        All to often we hear of companies leaving behind a fiscal trail of destruction in their wake. Resulting in tax, wages, contractors and suppliers not being paid with work undertaken incomplete, leaving investors out of pocket.

        As far as I’m aware Labour are currently attempting to allure the business vote.

  5. Chooky 5

    Falling Meat and Milk prices in Europe…farmers take action

    https://www.rt.com/news/314628-protest-brussel-water-attack/

    ….”Green MEP Molly Scott Cato added that EU agriculture ministers “clearly need to provide urgent assistance to those farmers hit by the crisis of overproduction and plummeting prices.”….

    (Clearly in New Zealand government farmer assistance is better than selling New Zealand farms and their assets eg Silver Fern Farms off to the Chinese!… and other foreigners ( who is this benefiting and why…certainly NOT New Zealand farmers and New Zealanders!)

    …we should also be looking forge markets with the Russians ( John Key put Fonterra off doing this!) …Russia is open to New Zealand agricultural produce and dairy and have banned European farmer produce… in retaliation for the USA politically inspired EU placing boycotts on Russian trade…many European farmers and politicians from European countries want agriculture trade with Russia to resume!

    In Europe governments do NOT sell off their farmers, farm land and farming assets to foreigners as easily as this jonkey Nactional government does!

    New Zealand farmers should be voting NZF or Labour or Green if they want to retain their land and assets…certainly NOT Nactional)

  6. Draco T Bastard 6

    A poll on which flag is actually liked by NZers. Most preferred are four silver fern designs.

    • Sabine 6.1

      NZ is gonna get what it is asking for.
      What a generally dumb country. Rubgy, piss, flag changes. Go NZ.

      • BM 6.1.1

        Maybe you should emigrate?
        You’d probably be a lot happier.

        • Thom Pietersen 6.1.1.1

          Maybe you should fuck off.

          How about we all piss off and you can have your weetbix flag, rugby, low wages and over priced breezy cow sheds.

          Maybe you’d be a lot happier, cash in on that douchebag.

      • Chooky 6.1.2

        However looks like despite all the msm PR …the flag change committee of highly paid stooges …and the $26 million being spent on John Key’s vanity flag project….most New Zealanders want to keep their existing flag!!!!

        ‘Flag change opposed by two-thirds – poll’

        https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/flag-change-opposed-by-two-thirds-poll-q09308.html

        “The poll, taken before the final four potential flag designs were announced, shows 66 per cent want to keep the current flag, up 2 per cent from 18 months ago….

        ( a waste of the $26 million …could have gone to helping refugees from the MIddle East wars…or New Zealanders to retain their Silver Fern Farms)

      • The lost sheep 6.1.3

        What country are you going to shift to where you will not be able to find anything to sneer at?

        And would you be happier there?
        Like quite a few other TS regulars, I reckon you actually enjoy rolling around in the shallow stupidity of the masses. Give’s you a bit of a warm glow to think of your own moral and intellectual superiority?

        Hubris.
        Word of the day for you Sabine.

        • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 6.1.3.1

          Don’t be stupid, The lost sheep, they live for the sneer. It makes them feel superior.

  7. Sabine 7

    who was asked?
    when?

    also, NZ is gonna get what it is obviously asking for. Shit entertainment, piss 24 hours a day to make everything bearable, rugby games to feel manly, a flag change.

    Go NZ, the future will be bright and shiney.

    I don’t expect anything other from Dear Leaders Fanboys and girls, but the Left?

    A cycleway for 330 million……, a new currency for 89 million….., a new flag 26 million + other non disclosed expenses……

    but nothing
    nada
    Zilch
    nothing

    to Feed the Children
    house the homeless, or freezing cold
    to build and maintain schools that actually teach
    provide adequate healthcare for the sick
    pay a decent wage for our carers of the elderly or disabled

    Fucking Priorities, this country has them……ME ME ME ME ME ME ME and to fuck the rest. Greed. NZ has voted for it, cheap fucking entertainment, give em more they have not had enough yet.

    Fucking waste.

    • Thom Pietersen 7.1

      It’s ingrained now Sabine, a generation believing in business over societal morals, started by… oh fuck… Labour. Can’t deny this… puts me in skitso mode.

  8. Can You Hear The War Drums Or Why We Only Get To See The Dead Children Of The Next Country They Want To Bomb!

    The only violence against children, women and cultural heritage sites are the ones in countries which for some reason are on the list of the Let’s Bomb A Country” club John Key wants us to be part of.

  9. The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 9

    Danyl says this is one of the best left wing governments we’ve ever had.

    But they are still making good on their other big election promise: free doctor’s visits for under-13s. In some ways the third-term Key National government has been one of the best left-wing governments we’ve ever had. They raised core welfare benefits for the first time in almost forty years, and now they’ve raised the refugee quota for the first time in thirty years.

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/some-ways-one-best-left-wing-governments-we%E2%80%99ve-ever-had-178441

    • joe90 9.1

      You didn’t cite the best bit….

      And the dumbest, most awful people on talkback are a useful barometer of what National’s backbench MPs think on any given issue.

    • weka 9.2

      “They raised core welfare benefits for the first time in almost forty years”

      That’s not quite true, and hides the real truth that National just don’t give a shit about poor people until they are forced too. There is nothing left wing about it.

    • b waghorn 9.3

      “””What’s happening here, I think, is that all the energy that normal governments put into developing new policies and implementing agendas is going into maintaining Mr Key’s popularity, the perpetuation of which has become a goal in itself, not a means to an end.””

      Thats all national is now ,a vehicle for keys ego stroking hope of a fourth term.

  10. Anthonyb 10

    OK I have a project to keep me happy. I am going to put together a clip of all John Keys “you knows” relaxed” and “most New Zealanders”. Happy for people to email me clips I can use. The guy is not just a incompetent spastic imbecile, poor with economics he also is a horrible nasty uncaring goof.

  11. McFlock 11

    paid parental leave to be extended, but only for parents of preterm babies.

    A good start, but applies to far fewer parents than Sue Morony’s bill that got turned down earlier this year (which applied to all). Only 7 or 8% of births would allow an additional week of parental leave, and less than 1% of all births would get the parents 26 weeks leave (although they’d definitely need it).

    But the headline looks good, at any rate.

  12. fisiani 12

    Question Time showed yet again the absolute uselessness of the Opposition.Oh for a decent Opposition.

    • Kevin 12.1

      I think you will find that it is Question Time that is the joke Fisiani. Doesn’t seem to matter what the question is, or who it is to, the Government members either a, pass it on to someone else; or b, simply refuse to give an answer that even relates to the question. A gutless speaker who refuses to hold Government members to any sort of account caps it all off.

      • John Shears 12.1.1

        A Gutless Speaker ? rather a biased Speaker who is letting this sort of thing happen time & time again.

  13. Chooky 13

    ‘Refugee crisis: David Cameron lowered the flag for the dead king of Saudi Arabia – will he do the same honour for little Aylan Kurdi?’

    “In the ever-growing chasm between the people of Europe and their immoral leaders there is a far more serious challenge for the future…

    By Robert Fisk , The Independent

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/refugee-crisis-david-cameron-lowered-the-flag-for-the-dead-king-of-saudi-arabia–will-he-do-the-same-honour-for-little-aylan-kurdi-10485261.html

  14. The Chairman 14

    English said the Government may beef up the Overseas Investment Office to make it quicker for foreigners to get permission to buy New Zealand assets.

    English confirmed complaints from overseas applicants about delays may prompt the Government to put more staff and resources into the stretched agency.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/71846414/nz-first-government-should-bail-out-silver-fern-farms

  15. The Chairman 15

    Winston Peters says taxpayers should stump up $100m to stop the country’s largest meat company falling into Chinese hands.

    English suggested farmers should put their money where their mouth is.

    Little said the Dunedin-based co-operative processor was crucial to the meat industry.

    “I think we have got to be very careful about surrendering that to overseas owners who might not have New Zealand’s best interests at heart.

    Little failed to state what Labour would do or support. Do they support Winstons stance? English’s position? Or something else?

    Little did state in the end the OIO has to look very carefully at any application for this. Going on to say the OIO did not do enough monitoring once a purchase had gone through.

    But once again failed to state if Labour would make any changes to the OIO process.

    This was an opportunity to show voters what Labour stands for, but it came off rather vague. Intentional or not?

    Thoughts?

    • The Chairman 15.1

      Will remaining coy help Labour secure more votes? Or leave voters wondering what they stand for?

      Does failing to position with Peters reinforce the perception of the opposition rowing in different directions?

      Should Labour have been more clear?

      Thoughts?

      • Thom Pietersen 15.1.1

        A lot a traditional Labour voters agree with Winnie – workers that is, not the PC brigade that has absolutely destroyed any credibility with the working/average man (woman).

        • The Chairman 15.1.1.1

          In that case, no doubt they will feel Labour (going off the comments above) have fallen short. There was no consensus with Winston in those comments.

          • Thom Pietersen 15.1.1.1.1

            Probably agreed – I’m somewhat confused on the meaning of the second sentence – may be being dim.

            • The Chairman 15.1.1.1.1.1

              It’s a well crafted comment that implies a concern (to appease those concerned) but it doesn’t explicitly say they are against the sale as along as our best interest is at heart and on-going checks are done.

      • The Chairman 15.1.2

        Rather than bail them out (as Winston has advocated) should Labour’s position be to buy in and become a stakeholder?

        • Thom Pietersen 15.1.2.1

          Sounds very Chinese a government taking an interest in part of the countries core business – how could this work??

          The bankers could lose out – and what about trickle down economics?

          • The Chairman 15.1.2.1.1

            It’s far better than just giving them the money.

            As a stakeholder the Government will have a say and more importantly, a share in future returns. Ensuring those returns stay onshore

            • Thom Pietersen 15.1.2.1.1.1

              And I whole heartily agree… now purge those red views of yours. Commie.

              • The Chairman

                Taking over the economy is communism. Government filling local market voids is a necessity.

                Unless, of course, we are happy to see offshore investors fill that void?

    • The Chairman 15.2

      It seems shareholders have place themselves in this position by accepting a constitution that robs them of their vote.

      Under SFF’s constitution, if an investment is less than 20 per cent of SFF’s total asset value, shareholders do not get to vote on the proposal.

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/agribusiness/71613077/foreign-investment-in-silver-fern-farms-opposed-by-farmers

    • The Chairman 15.3

      Chinese buyers want 50 per cent of Silver Fern Farms?

      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11507943

      • The Chairman 15.3.1

        I wonder if Labour believe they have our best interest at heart, thus support it?

        • The Chairman 15.3.1.1

          And how do Labour supporters feel about that?

          • The Chairman 15.3.1.1.1

            Don’t be shy.

            Are there any other Labour supporters prepared to comment on this major issue?

            • The Chairman 15.3.1.1.1.1

              Funnily enough, I’ve seen people on this site complaining about crime stories headlining the nightly news, yet I’ve gotten more discussion out of you lot on the latest shooting than this major economic and political issue.

              What’s up with that?

  16. North 16

    Trev’ writes the Ponce Key noble…..’Shill Laureate’ one day Trev’……

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11509348

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