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Some interesting observations from former UK PM John Major on the elite’s control of the levers of power:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/nov/11/john-major-shocked-elite-social-mobility
That’s an amazing article… make me wonder why he’s still Tory.
Having said that, although most of the Conservatives, judges and lawyers were public-schooled, about a quarter of the Labour cabinet are public school boys too.
The Brits at least need MMP for a bit of diversity. Maybe Russell Brand will see the<a href="http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/05/russell-brand-democratic-system-newsnight". point in voting then.
There is momentum building in the UK, I reckon, but when it has nowhere to go the outlook is not good.
“.. but when it has nowhere to go the outlook is not good..”
whereas we…have mmp..
..aren’t we lucky..?
phillip ure..
At least you can vote Mana or the Greens, or start your own part with some hope of representation if you have a profile.
The Brits would find that nigh on impossible – even if Russel Brand led the party.
Brief roundup of things related here:
http://t.co/KDPtxQVgpU
Incl. the Russin artist who has, ah, nailed himself to red square
Yep. Ouch.
conviction
castration
right side up
And the last paragraph is telling no matter what party you are from. Labour should take note if they want to win in 2014
Major called for loyalty from party members, saying: “Public criticism is destructive. Take it from me. Political parties who are divided and torn simply do not win general elections.”
Loyalty goes both ways, as well as ensuring respectful terms of engagement from MPs with party members, including staffers and residents of the electorates. There is still room for improvement with some Labour MPs, most particularly an electorate MP who cannot help herself but is being self- and party-destructive, causing bridges to be burnt with people inside and outside the party who are meant to be her pillars and buttresses of political support. The Labour party vote was lost at the previous election and, at the rate she is imploding, the electorate vote will be lost next year.
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….. as well as MPs ensuring respectful terms of engagement with ……
fyi Dunedin South electorate boundaries will be expanding for 2014 elections and will now take up considerably more South Otago rural area which used to be Clutha Southland (an electorate that I have more than a passing familiarity with).
“South Otago rural area which used to be Clutha Southland (an electorate that I have more than a passing familiarity with).”
Though the evidence shows they don’t think much of you.
I got over 5000 votes. Not that bad as a first effort, I thought.
Ape shit may comprehend 5,000 easier if it’s explained like this: 10 bananas a day for 500 days..
And second only to the incumbent. It should also be noted that both in electoral position and also number of votes received (albeit a different electorate), Tat was noticeably more successful than another previous commenter in these forums..
😉
Spoken like a loser.
You do. I apologise for not giving you credit for your new found self-awareness.
Did you just try and pull the “I know you are, I said you are, but what am I”?
Brilliant!
Oddly enough I didn’t. Clearly your powers of comprehension haven’t evolved much from your pseudonym.
And there is no evidence anyone thinks much of you. When are you going overseas again KKK?
Next week…why? Do you want me to get you some duty free gaspers?
Thanks but I don’t smoke. Just wondered.
So including quarantine time you will be gone for some time, hope you have better luck than you did last time
Thanks but the smart gates for e passports has speeded things up significantly.
maybe you and srylands will cross paths in the koru club… you can board together, the blind leading the blind
Ah, another classic, intelligent, insightful debate on the standard.
“I can’t see you mama, but I can hardly wait
Ooh, to touch and feel you Mama “
Maybe we should have a Parliamentary speaker who isn’t a part of the wealthy property owning classes. Maybe then we would get rulings aimed at getting at the truth of the damaging extent of inequalities and the war on the poor.
What did the Nats do to annoy the Herald?
Dunno Paul. But what would be even more interesting, if you were a fly on the wall, when Key and co first saw the articles. A few mouthfuls of coffee spat out?
How about a Speaker with a modicum of impartiality. But I will not hold my breath. Tho he is the worst I have seen in the last 20 years
He’s about the same as Wilson. Which is to say appalling.
Just as long as they don’t A: Keep Mallard, and B: Make him Speaker.
Completely agree – on both 🙂
I really liked Lockwood. Carter…not so much…
I think Lockwood was the best Speaker in my lifetime.
It could just be the contrast between Wilson and Carter is SOOOOOOO large
I can see why the Nats wanted him gone before election year.
bata bullets are back..!
..woo-hoo..!
..eh..?
phillip ure..
Herald smear headline says
“In the second part of a Herald investigation, we look at the MPs’ property rich list. The top ten MPs, what they own and why a Labour MP didn’t declare her trusteeship…”
On reading to find out who this cheat might be, it would appear the “she” to be Nicky Wagner, who on my last reckoning, is a Blue Ribbon National MP. http://www.nickywagner.co.nz
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11155241
(Can’t tell you how much against the grain that was to visit Wagner’s site for verification)
At the bottom of the Herald article, Wagner is listed as a Nat MP. So, the reference to a Labour MP is a mystery. Or maybe the front page blurb writer just doesn’t read articles properly?
Nope, it relates to this:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11155373
Carol Beaumont.
Looking at the figures owned by National MPs, remind me what the problem the RWNJs had with Cunliffe’s (much cheaper) Herne Bay house?
What a pack of millionaire…. choose your own words….. mine are ‘hypocritical tory arseholes’, for taking breaks off workers and opposing a living wage for many of us.
work harder then.
“not like you”
Wow Husker Du
NZers work more hours than almost everyone else in the OECD. You want us to be slaves to capitalists?
I would suggest that is precisely what he wants.
Well the tier of moneybags as mentioned in the Herald get their loot from a mix of inherited wealth, speculative activity–property and finance capital, and exploitation of workers and the environment.
The hardest work most of these tories do is deciding where to have lunch. There would be many more millionaires if hard work counted. The dirty little secret of capitalism is built in–the tiny group of owners of the system and their favoured minions appropriate the excess or surplus value as Marx termed it that workers labour creates over the wages they are paid.
+1
Nonsense.
Average hours worked in OECD countries is 1765.
Average hours worrked in NZ is 1739.
Meaning we work LESS hours than the OECD average.
From 2012 OECD stats – see
http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=ANHRS
“almost everyone else in the oecd” was an exaggeration. According to the table you linked to, we’re about 15th from the top and 21 from the bottom, when in descending 2012 order.
So “more than most”.
But fun to see that you don’t know what relationship the mean has to the midpoint in a highly skewed dataset (i.e. none)
Yep, thanks for putting the facts straight.
So today you support OECD stats. yesterday you challenged their stats for disposable income (below average) and cost of accommodation, second bottom with only Greece below. Which is it photonz?
You also railed against living wage yet yesterday said you are the lowest paid of anyone in your company… you receiving less than $18 an hour then??
This string of comments sums up the left. Give it to me without working for it.
Hate to burst your infantile bubble Infused but I work > 40 hours a week, own two companies, earn enough for others to possibly consider me as part of the 5% yet I am socially left leaning on quite a large number of issues. Kinda buggers up your straw man a bit doesn’t it?
On the contrary, I think the key distinction between right and left wing views on wages is that people on the left believe in paying people as much as possible, and people on the right believe in paying people as little as possible.
That’s the goal of capitalism, though, isn’t it? Extract as much value from workers as possible whilst giving them as little of that value as you can possibly get away with.
It’s got nothing to do with how “hard” someone works. How much you get paid, in broad terms, seems to come down to (1) how much money you can make for someone or (2) how much money (or hassle / stress) you can save someone, and (3) how many other people are willing and able to do that job to a given standard. If you can make someone millions and you’re the only person alive capable of doing it, you’re going to make a lot more money than if you’re going to save someone a pittance doing something anyone could do.
4) How many people you can over-charge while paying the workers actually doing the work as little as possible.
that is interesting; had been thinking about the charging companies I worked for did regarding ‘kits’. Flat-charge, even if all the components were not required, and subsequently used on a following overhaul, which was charged also for the entire kit.
And, and, then, there was this bakery owner ( petite bourgeoisie ) who had his staff scrape the cream from cakes at the end of the day’s business to reuse the following day… and so on, and so on.
sigh.
yeah no one said that – so either your extremely dense or your taking the piss
try harder next time moran
and seeing as disclosure is happening – im in the top tax bracket, regularly work more than 40 hours, work from home without getting paid and dont mind paying taxes when they are spent creating a decent society
I dont have kids, dont gamble, smoke or drink (except a beer or two every now and then)
I dont claim any state assistance of any kind
Im one of those tax positive people you fools love to bang on about
thatguynz is right – your a baby
+1
I fit into most of the categories you outline.
+2
Ditto for me – I’m another of those strange beasts the right don’t understand: a leftie on the top tax rate. Unlike John Key, I haven’t forgotten what it was like growing up in a cold state house, and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.
Confused as usual…Try to leave your bias out of your comments bro, can you manage that!
You’re as much of a slave as anyone else, although like the handle King Kong, you both don’t seem to understand the how, or why!
infused —please show where anyone has suggested that people should get something without working for it?
Could you please cite the research which indicates a correlation between how hard someone works and the wage they receive?
Could you cite the research which sets out a method for measuring hard work, working harder etc
Could you cite the research which shows that everyone who works harder will become a millionaire?
Could you please cite the research which indicates a correlation between how hard someone works and the wage they receive?
Could you cite the research which sets out a method for measuring hard work, working harder etc
Could you cite the research which shows that everyone who works harder will become a millionaire?
They focus on the individual in order to distract people from seeing the economic system deliberately designed to keep a vast majority of people (and entire countries in fact) on struggle street.
Really, the “entire country on struggle street”, that is a massive stretch
I am not on struggle street.
I wake up each day and choose my path.
I dont have a university degree, wasnt very good at schoool, but came from a family that installed good work discplines and ethics. I work hard, got promotions, showed initiative and get payed accordingly.
If you choose to do better in life then you can.
Montykins, welcome back. Indulge in subjective thinking by all means, but have you become a squillionaire or captain of industry yet?
No, I haven’t. I am not struggling and I have a really good life, with a good number of goals i want to achieve.
So to say everyone in the country is on struggle street is a real stretch.
“So to say everyone in the country is on struggle street is a real stretch.”
yes such a stretch that it wasnt even said
“deliberately designed to keep a vast majority of people (and entire countries in fact)”
the country wasnt defined as NZ was it
infused says if you work harder you can be a millionaire monty
Point of note Monty – Tat didn’t say “entire country on struggle street” at all nor did he say that it pertained specifically to all of NZ. He said “and entire countries in fact”. I suggest that he is factually correct as there are countries that have been crippled by the current economic system – Greece comes to mind for a start..
Correct “entire countries”, but make no mistake, large swaths of the population of NZ are well an truly on struggle street.
There are many others who will not be able to accept they are in that same group, but are, and will be evidently so with a minor raise of interest rates, or a semi serious illness, or other unfortunate turn of events, be it natural or manufactured!
Agreed Muzza.
and yet you choose to support a government that lies (were these the ethics you parents “installed” in you?) and one that believes by giving as much as possible to the few one day (in the future at an indeterminate point) the 99% will prosper.
Hmm Tracey, my mother is a green voter much to my horror, changing from labour at the last election in protest of they way they acted.
My father is unionist and very strong Labour voter.
When did I say I supported the government. I just take exception to those who believe they don’t have to do a honest days work and the government owes them a living. Yes before the nutters have a go they should be paid so they can support themselves and their families.
I also stand correct I misread what Tat said, my apologies Tat.
My message is the same, if you choose to do better in your life you will.
No probs Monty.
This is a statement I agree with Monty. I simply want the ladders to be there, with good strong rungs, when people decide that they want to climb.
Trying to reply to Karol but there’s no reply option in mobile…?
I wonder if the financial position of MPs should be added to Labour’s recent efforts to make their parliamentary presence align better with the countries population as a whole? Having so many multi millionaires in parliament isn’t very representative of the country as a whole
Yeah, I’ve wondered why the mobile doesn’t have a reply button for particular comments. Makes it pretty much unusable IMO. Pity.
I had the same problem, found that by allowing cookies but blocking 3rd parties
( under settings , privacy and security )allows me to respond. It took over a month to work that out. Hope this helps 🙂
This was after having all computers at home being taken just over a month ago.
by who, burglars?
Yes, unfortunately.
Timing is good with the new iPad , so not all bad. Tough living with only the iPhone as your only means of accessing the internet. And only being a reader to the site, until I found out my problem with the phones setup; of not allowing cookies, and how many sites (like this one) have limited functionality under such a setup.
Will say the police have been great, and have kept us up with their i.
oh..!..and after the two puke-inducing interviews from the media-trout/compere of tv3 breakfast..this morn..
..where in interviewing (‘saucer-eyes’) craig the compere described key as a ‘centrist-politician’..
..(cue keys’ spin-doctors rubbing their hands with glee..’it’s working..!..it’s working..!’..)
..followed by an interview where the (simpering to/at key) compere had his tongue so far up keys’ arse his grovelling-words were muffled/barely audible….
..i have decided to enact a personal total-ban on both that compere..and that television show..
..phillip ure..
Logie97
Doesnt seem like an error ng would make.
Fathers of murdered daughters speak out against the ‘bro code’ between mates
An answer to the missing piece in to reducing violence against anybody. Seriously important, imo.
The Tongariro Crossing on your bucket list?
Suggest you do it soon
National has this habit of dishing out conservation land to iwi who lock it all up…
Maybe we could learn from the Swedes.
By comparison NZ’s population just over 4 million and over 8000 in prison.. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/11/sweden-closes-prisons-number-inmates-plummets
Socialism. Got to love it:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/11/11/venezuela-seizes-stores/3497003/
Part of the capitalist campaign to overthrow the democratic government. Business as usual for Venezuela.
Show me an article where US Today had anything positive to say about Venezuela since Chavez took power. They don’t like anyone who challenges the elite’s position.
“…challenges the elite’s position.”
Quite a mild way of saying “forcing people to sell tellies at an under value at gunpoint”.
I wonder what recognition the paper gives to the achievements of Chavean revolution.
You think USA Today made it up?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/11/venezuela-troops-patrol-stores-control-inflation
Clearly unaware of any of the US’s historical overt and covert meddling in Venezuela’s economic and political scene TGF?
So USA Today and the Guardian made it up?
Would you be surprised to learn that western powers and banksters have been undermining South American governments for not just decades, but centuries?
No. Why?
You missed the point TGF. Unsurprisingly.
Google has a heading of ‘News for the standard nz’ – What is this? There are a number of items – are they connected to some referred to in the blog and that noted in the Google page?
Anyway I looked and some bloke is being charged with a frequent crime – ‘A 31-year-old man will appear in the Invercargill District Court today charged with reckless driving and unlawfully taking a motor vehicle.’ I hope that that will be expanded, it had better be. He was hitchhiking and took at about 1pm a 4wd parked outside a store. In the back was a sleeping baby which he soon discovered. He stopped, put the baby in its car seat at the side of the road and drove off. Luckily someone who was a real person with standards saw this, and stayed with the baby until police could get there.
This says something about the lack of standards and responsibility to behave decently that we are seeing in some young men. There seems a large, how large?, percentage of mostly, men who just suck out of society what they want, give as little as possible. Parents should be told from birth that it is part of their task to give their children morals guidelines, and later they should be accountable in Court if their children are committing criminal offences. (At a minor level this would be working with police as in diversion. One of my sons stole an audio cassette which was
concerning to me and we had to find some community service for him, which I had to supervise and get signed off by the person who received the service.)
I see that Google picks out items with both – the standard and – nz in and then lists them under the heading of News for the standard nz. Just the way that searches work.
Surprising:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9387330/Harawira-under-pressure
Yes, it is surprising.
Especially given his strong approval ratings as an MP.
Labour is being seen as a strong alternative again, and Harawira is going to have trouble holding on to that slim majority. I hope his camapaign team is doing some strong ground work right now.
my five cents worth on the pressures/dynamics/perils around harawira holding his seat..
http://whoar.co.nz/2013/harawira-under-pressure-ed-will-harawira-do-a-deal-with-the-maori-party/
phillip ure..
I think the perception of labour has changed but proof of the pudding and all that. I can’t see davis getting up but that’s just my opinion. The sample from the electorate seem to be happy with Hone – long may it continue.
I think a lot of MP’s would cut the tip of their pinky off to have that support.
This is where MMP politics becomes interesting, and, the different approaches of both major parties are highlighted,
Have a look at National, up against it with sliding numbers in the polls and with all 3 of it’s coalition partners pretty much stuffed they simply call in the favors from the editors and programers from across the mass media spectrum and beat the drums loudly and longly for Colin Craig’s Conservatives, hey presto people are talking like the Conservatives ‘are’ a part of the mix,
Labour, pfft, as far as the electorates are concerned the age of the Dinosaur seems to have not escaped Labour who still openly talk of taking all the Maori electorates ‘back’, now under the auspices of the old FPP system that is a laudable sentiment to be expressing, under MMP tho in my opinion its the height of f**king stupidity on the part of Labour,
There are conceivably 2 electorate seats that Hone’s Mana Party can win in November 2014, Hone’s own Te Tai Tokerau and Waiariki where in 2011 Annette Sykes came within 1000 votes of toppling the incumbent Te Ururoa Flavell, there is a chance of Mana picking up an extra seat from the party vote,
And Labour want to go hard out and contest those electorates??? what could they possibly gain by playing FFP politics where those politics no longer exist, the obvious answer to that little question of course is another 3 on the Opposition Benches,
Labour right now should be talking DEALS with Mana over the Maori seats, a pretty simple equation would be for Labour not to stand in the Te Tai Tokerau and Waiariki electorates and for Mana not to stand in the Tamaki Makaurau and Te Tai Hauauru seats,
MMP politcs for the BIG players aint about the number of electorates you win, it’s about the Paaaaaarrrrty Vote, get it,
MMP politics is about COALITIONS, dealing with those of a like mind and if needs must, just as National are showing, doing deals to ensure there is a growing number of coalition partners in the electoral mix….
Yep. It’s time to play the MMP game the way National does: smart.
Despite all the moral concern and outrage expressed on ‘the standard’ about….
1) young girls and alcohol…alcohol use/abuse…drunkenness in general by young New Zealanders
2) teenage boy sex gang Roast Busters and rape and sexual abuse of underage girls….
3)..patriarchy, sexism and abuse of women in general
4.)JT and Willy ‘s insensitive interviewing of a young abuse victim….and their subsequent suspension from radioLive ( much to the outrage of my teenage son!..ha ha)
5)how NZ parents are not being responsible and bringing up children properly
6)the Auckland (Catholic family man) Mayor Len Brown’s sex scandal…two years of frolicking and cavorting conducted on Council sacred property and at Sky City gambling casino with a young Asian whose sympathies were actually with the other side and who was working with the other side
7)the Auckland police and their cynicism, ineptitude or worse…..
….nothing has been said about the building of Aucklands 15 story meg-brothel (opposite the Sky Tower) ….why?….I would like to hear reasons why , because this has the potential to really embed sexual abuse of NZ girls and women…. in the very heart of Auckland City forever…
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1211/S00185/auckland-mega-brothel-hearings-labeled-a-sham.htm
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11134209
Self-matyrdom there, mate.
Yeah. With bells on.
because you didn’t write a post about it.
…is Auckland heading to become the Bangkok of the South Pacific?
….imo Labour and the Greens ignore this issue at their peril…because one thing is for certain…. the Conservatives will be watching and waiting
……(and so will NZFirst )…..and they could swing the 2014 Election for National if they get enough support
Chooky, Auckland’s future is already evident, and locked in with assurance that no party/govt from the current landscape will be addressing the real issues that are going to make genuine directional change, so people are left to postulate around the periphery, of issues impacting our ever declining habitats!
The variables for AKL/All cities/towns/NZ:
1: How bad
2: How long
@ muzza….I share your concerns…nice to find a kindred spirit!
William Massey loves you, Chooky.
…why does William Massey love me?
….last time I think you told me he was rolling over in his grave at my comments?… and in your opinion I was not worthy to be on such an esteemed site as ‘ the Standard’ (lol)
….who is William Massey?….. and hope I this a compliment?
Sex work isn’t the same as sexual abuse.
(And before you state the bloody obvious, no I’m not condoning coercion nor saying all sex work is perfect and consensual. And you know it.)
Of course it’s not the same but is it not just another brick in the wall of rape culture? Especially when a couple of guys are in charge taking a big cut making a huge amount of money off the women.
“There’s no business like Cho business” (from The Mentalist ).
anyway, what’s with the generalizations, many sex workers are mistresses, and masters, of their own destiny. Trust me, I know. Now, let me tell you a little about their professional sports person clientage …
Yeah, man I know. Also I’ve looked after some interesting bad backs in my time and sometimes the patient fees I charge might be justifiably written off by some as their business expenses…
lol (chuck it on the back of the ute).
@ CV +1….talk about a feminist industry!!!…ha bloody ha……and some so called ‘feminists’ are confused and confusing …..almost makes me feel sorry for some of the confused lads out there who have recently been hauled over the coals and had their knuckles smacked
imo sex work and sex abuse are often the same ….considering many of those involved in sex work are damaged and have been abused….it is very difficult to unravel
and their building conveniently collapsing…
@ QoT..you alright with ‘barn farming women’ like animals?…..You are so naive!…visit Bangkok…talk to people who know about child and young women abuse and corruption:
1)…how many women are coerced into prostitution?…how many women get into prostitution because of child abuse, lack of education, lack of well paid meaningful work….drug addictions?
2) …..as a woman it restricts your freedom of movement….it restricts where you as a woman or child can safely walk in the streets and areas after dark
3.) …it creates a climate of corruption in which ANY woman is fair game…and all women and girls are potential prostitutes… ordinary women run the risk of being regarded as prostitutes …
….i know this personally because i used to work in a union, next door to a brothel and i was accosted on the street and asked “How Much?”……he must have been watching me come out the door….the guy was panting…..i was wearing office work clothes…it was broad day light at mid-day…i was shocked and felt violated and disgusted….i hate to think what would have happened if I had been working late..and it had been another psychopathic guy in the dark, in the alley- way in which both buildings were located ( this one seemed fairly nice and was shocked at my reaction ….and his mistake..his mates laughed at him)…there was also an up market restaurant in that alley way
4..)….any woman or girl is fair game because society condones this behaviour where women are objectified and used….legalising prostitution has not protected prostitutes…. judging by the numbers of prostitute murders in Christchurch since it was legalised
6.) i have no objection to prostitution if it is hidden and a woman runs her own business discretely…and prostitution does not foul certain streets with condoms and needles
I doubt QoT would disagree with much of what you wrote but why not make it a separate topic because it IS a different view on a similar spectrum…
but it is not the same as gang rape.
Seems odd to me that you would be railing against people who probably, on the whole agree with the tenet of what you are writing.
@ tracey
….why make it a separate topic when it is the elephant in the room?
….why are so called feminists ignoring the elephant in the room?
the national party/govt..
..millionaire rich-pricks..
..ruling for/in the interests of themselves..
..and other millionaire rich-pricks..
..it’s as simple as that..
..phillip ure..
So far this story appears to have effectively been censored on mainstream media, (and this post is currently ‘awaiting moderation’ on Kiwiblog) .
So – it must be HOT? 🙂
[lprent: Alternatively it could simply be that you hit the “large number of links” trigger for automatic moderation – just like you did here. Then it gets released whenever someone has a time to glance over it, decide that you are not a ‘bot and release it. No particular reason to think that there is a Penny Bright conspiracy. BLip has exactly the same problem when he posts his lists. ]
FYI
URGENT! ‘Whistle-blower ALERT’ to international ‘anti money-laundering’ bodies:
The NZ International Convention Centre Bill effectively undermines the Anti-Money Laundering and Countering Financing of Terrorism Act 2009
Contact@fatf-gafi.org,
CleanGovBiz@oecd.org,
Mary.Crane-Charef@oecd.org,
Transparency International
12 November 2013
Please be advised that as an ‘anti-corruption Public Watchdog’ – I am hereby ‘blowing the whistle’ to the following ‘anti money-laundering’ bodies to which New Zealand is affiliated, because the NZ International Convention Centre Bill effectively undermines the Anti-Money Laundering and Countering Financing of Terrorism Act 2009:
(Tuesday, 12 November 2013
Business before the House
Government orders of the day
Name of bill Stage of Bill
Minister in charge consideration no Times for debate
1 New Zealand International Convention Centre Bill 140–2 12 x 10 m speeches
Hon Steven Joyce Third reading)
http://www.parliament.nz/resource/0001973715
_____________________________________________________________________________
Asia/Pacific Group on Money Laundering (APG)
The purpose of the Asia/Pacific Group on Money Laundering (APG) is to ensure the adoption, implementation and enforcement of internationally accepted anti-money laundering and counter-terrorist financing standards as set out in the FATF Forty Recommendations and FATF Eight Special Recommendations. The effort includes assisting countries and territories of the region in enacting laws to deal with the proceeds of crime, mutual legal assistance, confiscation, forfeiture and extradition; providing guidance in setting up systems for reporting and investigating suspicious transactions and helping in the establishment of financial intelligence units. The APG also enables regional factors to be taken into account in the implementation of anti-money laundering measures.
The origins of the APG go back to “awareness raising” activities undertaken by the FATF in the early 1990s as part of its strategy to encourage adoption of money laundering counter-measures throughout the world. In order to achieve more concrete results, Australia agreed to set up a Secretariat for the purpose of obtaining regional commitment and establishing a regional FATF-style body with practical objectives. Subsequently, an agreement was reached in Bangkok in 1997 which created the APG. The first meeting was held in Tokyo in 1998 and then annually thereafter.
Following the events of 11 September 2001, the APG expanded its scope to include the countering of terrorist financing. The APG conducts mutual evaluations of its members and holds a periodic workshop on money laundering methods and trends. Its work mandate has been set out in a document containing specific terms of reference for the group.
The APG is supported by a Secretariat, which serves as the focal point for its activities. The APG became an Associate Member of the FATF in 2006.
For more information, please consult the APG website at http://www.apgml.org.
http://www.apgml.org/contact-us/
APG Members:
Afghanistan
Australia
Bangladesh
Bhutan, Kingdom of
Brunei Darussalam
Cambodia
Canada
China, People’s Republic of
Cook Islands
Fiji
Hong Kong, China
India
Indonesia
Republic of Korea (South Korea)
Japan
Lao People’s Democratic Republic
Macao, China
Malaysia
Maldives
The Marshall Islands
Mongolia
Myanmar
Nauru
Nepal
New Zealand
Niue
Pakistan
Palau
Papua New Guinea
The Philippines
Samoa
Singapore
Solomon Islands
Sri Lanka
Chinese Taipei
Thailand
Timor Leste
Tonga
United States of America
Vanuatu
Vietnam
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FINANCIAL ACTION TASK FORCE ON MONEY LAUNDERING (FATF) – THE INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS SETTER FOR AML/CFT
The first co-operative and global policy response to the threats posed by money laundering was by the G7 group of countries who established the FATF in 1989. Since 1989, the FATF has produced a comprehensive set of international standards against money laundering and terrorist financing. The core documents of the FATF include:
The 2012 revised FATF 40 Recommendations on Money Laundering , Terrorist Financing and Proliferation Financing (“the standards”), which includes interpretative notes;
Methodology for assessing compliance with the standards; and
Best Practice Guidelines for implementation of the standards.
The 2012 FATF standards contain certain core, or essential, recommendations including the requirement to:
Criminalise money laundering, terrorist financing and proliferation financing in accordance with international law;
Freeze terrorist assets and confiscate the proceeds of crime;
Establish a financial intelligence unit to collect, analyse, evaluate and disseminate suspicious transaction reports from financial institutions and other reporting entities;
Supervise those financial institutions and other reporting entities to ensure compliance with customer due diligence and other requirements contained in the standards; and
Ensure that comprehensive and effective mechanisms are in place to cooperate effectively on the international level given the growing international dimension to these crimes.
These standards have been accepted internationally as the global policy benchmark for anti-money laundering, anti-terrorist financing and anti-proliferation financing measures by the United Nations, International Monetary Fund, World Bank, Asian Development Bank and many other international organisations and bodies. The key changes to the FATF standards included in the 2012 revised version are as follows:
Requirement for countries to undertake a national risk assessment;
Measures relating to proliferation financing;
Addition of tax crimes as predicate offences to money laundering;
Measures relating to domestic politically exposed persons;
Requirement for countries to ratify the UN Convention Against Corruption.
http://www.fatf-gafi.org/countries/n-r/newzealand/
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(Sent 11 November 2013 at 10.45pm) )
URGENT ‘OPEN’LETTER TO ALL MPS:
The NZ International Convention Centre Bill effectively undermines the Anti-Money Laundering and Countering Financing of Terrorism Act 2009:
So – please confirm that YOU will NOT vote it.
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According to the ‘Provisional’ Order Paper for the NZ Parliament, the New Zealand International Convention Centre Bill is set down for its ‘third reading’ on Tuesday 12 November 2013:
http://www.parliament.nz/resource/0001968117
Tuesday, 12 November 2013
Business before the House
Government orders of the day
Name of bill Stage of Bill
Minister in charge consideration no Times for debate
1 New Zealand International Convention Centre Bill 140–2 12 x 10 m speeches
Hon Steven Joyce Third reading
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The NZ International Convention Centre Bill, effectively covers and facilitates money-laundering, because there has been no ‘due diligence’ on the increased risk of money-laundering, by OFCANZ, (Organised and Financial Crime Agency of NZ) the body tasked with:
“Leading, coordinating or contributing to policy or legislative changes to make it harder for organised criminals to operate. There will be opportunities to do so by, for example, making it harder to launder money, or obtain false identities, or by increasing information sharing. …”
http://www.ofcanz.govt.nz/about-ofcanz
Yet – this OFCANZ OIA reply proves that this purported ‘leading’ agency for fighting money-laundering, did NO ‘due diligence’ on the increased risk of money-laundering arising from the NZ International Convention Centre Bill:
http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/SKY-CITY-OFCANZ-OIA-REPLY-NO-DUE-DLIGENCE-RE-MONEY-LAUNDERING-bright-penny-06-c211711-2-sent-reply.pdf
The NZ International Convention Centre Bill, thus effectively undermines the Anti-Money Laundering and Countering Financing of Terrorism Act 2009:
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2009/0035/latest/DLM2140726.html
3 Purpose
(1)The purposes of this Act are—
(a)to detect and deter money laundering and the financing of terrorism; and
(b)to maintain and enhance New Zealand’s international reputation by adopting, where appropriate in the New Zealand context, recommendations issued by the Financial Action Task Force; and
(c)to contribute to public confidence in the financial system.
(2)Accordingly, this Act facilitates co-operation amongst reporting entities, AML/CFT supervisors, and various government agencies, in particular law enforcement and regulatory agencies.
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There are a series of provisions in the Anti-Money Laundering and Countering Financing of Terrorism Act 2009, which deal with the need for ‘DUE DILIGENCE’:
Subpart 1—Customer due diligence
10Definitions
11Customer due diligence
12Reliance on risk assessment when establishing level of risk
13Basis for verifying identity
Standard customer due diligence
14Circumstances when standard customer due diligence applies
15Standard customer due diligence: identity requirements
16Standard customer due diligence: verification of identity requirements
17Standard customer due diligence: other requirements
Simplified customer due diligence
18Circumstances when simplified customer due diligence applies
19Simplified customer due diligence: identity requirements
20Simplified customer due diligence: verification of identity requirements
21Simplified customer due diligence: other requirements
Enhanced customer due diligence
22Circumstances when enhanced customer due diligence applies
23Enhanced customer due diligence: identity requirements
24Enhanced customer due diligence: verification of identity requirements
25Enhanced customer due diligence: other requirements
26Politically exposed person
27Wire transfers: identity requirements
28Wire transfers: verification of identity requirements
29Correspondent banking relationships
30New or developing technologies, or products, that might favour anonymity
Ongoing customer due diligence and account monitoring
31Ongoing customer due diligence and account monitoring
Reliance on third parties
32Reliance on member of designated business group
33Reliance on other reporting entities or persons in another country
34Reliance on agents
35Use of information obtained from third party conducting customer due diligence
36Protection of personal information and designated business groups
Prohibitions
37Prohibitions if customer due diligence not conducted
38Prohibition on false customer names and customer anonymity
39Prohibition on establishing or continuing business relationship involving shell bank
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http://www.justice.govt.nz/policy/criminal-justice/aml-cft
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So, how is it that the New Zealand International Convention Centre Bill, can be railroaded through Parliament, without any ‘DUE DILIGENCE’, on the increased risk of money-laundering, which the Anti-Money Laundering and Countering Financing of Terrorism Act 2009, is supposed to help prevent?
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Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’
2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate (polled 4th with 11,723 votes)
http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
2009 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference Attendee
2010 Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference Attendee
People ignoring you because you are boring and add nothing is not quite the same thing as “being censored”.
I had to page down 11 times to get to the end of her comment. That seems a tad long.
Personally I think Penny adds a lot. Granted the wall of text can at times be a bit daunting to wade through but the underlying messages are typically pretty sound.
If you think that Penny “adds nothing”, where would you place your contributions on the same continuum TGF?
I was explaining that she was being ignored, rather than censored. My comment about the worth of her contributions was relevant in that context only.
You have to stop obsessing over me thatguynz.
Don’t flatter yourself mate. I fully believe in equality when calling trolls out on their crap. You also didn’t answer my (admittedly rather pointed) question.
Bit of a Standard wailing wall. Or a leaky blog syndrome. I get guilty feelings for some long texts, but it’s interesting, relevant stuff from other sources not always easy to reach. Long things about thoughts and current happenings could be precised and then digested easier.
+1…thatguynz….agreed Penny does add a lot….and I don’t blame her for not hanging around ….she sounds like a busy person…
….just wish she would do a bit of journalistic re-writing and summarizing however to make her posts more easy to be digested….
Well 10,000 votes in the supercity Mayoral contest is hardly being ignored Gormless.
But ‘Your Warship’, how about a précis on The Standard e.g. “have sent an open letter to MPs on how the Casino Legislation undermines 2009 Anti money laundering act,–for full text follow the links.
You will probably be as likely as anyone else that comments here to take my advice (heh, not very likely at all) but I feel shorter posts would engage more readers.
She was complaining about her being ignored, not me. I am all for ignoring her.
For me even though the posts are long and boring its that she never bothers to hang around and defend what she posts…
I’ve felt that too, (the not debating) sort of dump and run using the standard as a notice board, but that is open mike and no one is obliged to do anything bar read the about and policy.
I frequently disagree with you PR but on this – I agree 100%.
Clarification – on the “never bothers to hang around and defend what she posts” part 🙂
Welcome to the dark side 🙂
Still, it’s better that than one of those fuckwits posting a whale-snot link in a similar dump and run fashion..
Don’t know what you’re referring to… 🙂
I have an issue with a person in a group associated with penny who went after someone I know on a relentless witch hunt. This person imagined all kinds of things which were wrong, made some things up and twisted other things, including spreading the net far and wide and emailing the lies to an entire staff where their victim and my partner worked. My friend aged ten years over what they put him through and they didn’t care who got hauled in their misconceived web (my partner). So, I shall not take Penny, or her group seriously. Except to note they can seriously damage people who are innocent of what they claim.
There is something offputting about a group crying “conspiracy” and “witch-hunt” inventing conspiracies that don’t exist and engaging in witch hunts, probably obscuring some important stuff they have found along the way by discrediting themselves.
So yes, I ignore her and scroll on by.
From Scoop
http://www.scoop.co.nz
Key appeared reluctant to extend any primary rape prevention resources into high school (i.e. to prevent rape from happening at all, rather than catching criminals afterwards). He said that it’s important to strike a balance between parents who want more education and those who think that it would cross acceptable boundaries.
I would suspect there are NO parents who would want there children raped.
Rape is NOT and acceptable boundary.
That’s Key though, from the job summit to this issue he jus wants to talk, not actually DO anything. Is he not wanting to upset the Conservative Party now???
Hs he ever sat through a rape prevention programme? Perhaps instead of going to the TAB to bet on horses, he could visit a programme and get educated?
You can see where parents haven’t objected here
http://rpe.co.nz/bodysafe-sex-n-respect/
Doing stuff actually costs money which means he’d have to reverse the tax cuts he gave the rich.
Gower picks good reasons why Colin Craig is going to be a political force
This is very important for the Left to ponder. Some take the piss out of how socially conservative certain parts of the Labour core vote are (if they still vote Labour nowadays).
Colin Craig will be more than willing to scoop all those votes up.
http://www.3news.co.nz/OPINION-Beware-Colin-Craig—Conservatives-on-rise/tabid/1382/articleID/321016/Default.aspx#.UoF5Tf0ndgA.twitter
the media just have to have a party they can use to make National look moderate. Watch for disproportionate coverage for a party with no representation… coverage which began a year ago with media going to Craig for comment. BUT the media don’t shape public opinion, they reflect it…
I agree, Craig will actually suck up votes from quite a few different sources
1.Non-voters
2.NZ first voters
3.Labour voters
4.A few national voters.
For a guy who’s had no coverage he’s done pretty well to get to 3%, wait till election year roles around and he gets more air time.
I’d be surprised if he didn’t end up around 8%.
4%-5% would be a huge success for Craig in 2014. 8% in 2020 might be possible if they performed politically and consistently.
Craig took 2000 votes off both Labour and National in the Rodney electorate vote 2011, plus hoovered up 1500 votes previously cast for the dying ACT Party,
As far as Craig taking votes off NZFirst, they weren’t overly strong in the Rodney electorate in 2011 and dropped a 100 and a few votes, they probably will tho, seeing as Tracey Martin is a sitting MP, gain a few more votes in 2014,
Interestingly the Green Party gained 1300 Party votes from that electorate compared with the 2008 result…
Interesting. Some great comments under the article. I wonder if he can pull the conservative christian vote onto his Party – might be doable. I have only a little problem with him taking votes off whoever – if labour then it would cut off that bit of purification and allow healing leftwards. I can’t see craig getting any from the Greens or Mana. Anyone who votes for ACT, Conservative, or Dunne is indicating their position for me – they don’t have my values.
‘putrefaction’, maybe.
National Party fanboy 3news political editor Gower sez, “We’ll be seeing more of National’s new potential coalition partner Colin Craig, he’s a real player now.”
Gee, I wonder if he’s right and Craig will get a bunch more 3news screen-time. I guess we’ll have to wait and see…
gosh I would really love to watch parliament but even though I have freeview I cant get it.
why is this two tier system operating and why is Parliament not free to all?
Does the guy on the right look like david carter when in speakers seat
http://www.google.co.nz/imgres?imgurl=http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ZKWd9KlZxAs/S-xiupTaQeI/AAAAAAAAA4s/K9uy2dpBQTY/s320/grumly%2Bmuppets.jpg&imgrefurl=http://littlehuntingcreek.blogspot.com/2010/05/grumpy-muppets.html&h=208&w=320&sz=17&tbnid=9nMdchVejYRy2M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=138&zoom=1&usg=__rzy6HO8jaP2bMN0rfOTITZYDTFE=&docid=05y-CgGs2h63JM&sa=X&ei=DYuBUsqnMM3RkQW3joDYCw&ved=0CDcQ9QEwAg
The nub of the matter:
“Of the 238 private superannuation schemes registered in New Zealand, about 40 belong to current MPs and 35 of those are National MPs”
Wow!
MPs are to legislate for the benefit of the people. About two million people have superannuation plans or benefits of some kind.
But only 0.01% of that number has a private scheme.
And 17% of those are MPs! That is 0.0002% of the 2m.
Simon Bridges says a private superannuation scheme was not about hiding an asset from public scrutiny.
If it is a better superannuation vehicle for people with slightly complex income/investment profiles why are there not 100,000+ people using private superannuation schemes?
Simon Bridges is true to form. He is hiding the truth.
The new conservative party logo?.
Oxfam Britain plans cuts that may bring help to about one quarter of present. They are concentrating on policy etc. It sounds bad but it may be necessary if the trend of government not wanting to fund any group that also advocates for its people, Oxfam is big enough to speak up.
Also to force the government to carry out its responsibilities in distribution of the resources of the country to all the community, not just build sexy sports stadiums while the people can’t afford to go there for the circuses and only have denatured white bread.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/patrick-butler-cuts-blog/2013/nov/11/oxfam-cuts-put-uk-poverty-projects-at-risk
Posted by Patrick Butler Monday 11 November 2013 16.01 GMT
theguardian.com
The aid charity spent almost £2.5m on its UK poverty programme in 2012-13, around 1% of its total income. This will drop to at least £1.85m in 2014-15, and the Guardian understands Oxfam is considering a worst-case scenario where its UK spending tapers to as little as £400,000 in future years.
The cuts are part of a global strategic review through which the charity aims to reduce support for grassroots poverty programmes and re-focuse its resources on influencing decision-makers….
Oxfam staff are concerned that breaking links with grassroots projects will make it harder for the charity to gather testimony and evidence of poverty, and will undermine its credibility as a champion of social justice in the UK.
Around half current Oxfam UK poverty spending goes on service delivery programmes, the rest on a mixture of campaigns, communications, policy and research.
political animal?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/9391319/Republican-wins-election-by-pretending-to-be-black
Now, no smirking marty.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/11/talk-show-host-delivers-dna-test-results-to-white-supremacist-town-founder-you-have-a-little-black-in-you/
Clearly something rotten over at RadioLive:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9391507/Radio-host-cuts-off-sex-abuse-victim
Live interview with David Cunliffe tonight at 8pm.
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/11/10/coming-up-crossfire-live-interview-with-david-cunliffe-on-tuesday-nov-12/
Gosh, he’s certainly more accessible than David Shearer was…
just for the record:
“John Tamihere has virtually no chance of [ standing for Parliament ] as a Labour candidate.”
-Midday Report at 8-ish
AS David Cunliffe put it, ”A snowflakes chance”…
Jenny’s up to her usual hectoring in the comments there, I see.
People in our Past . Hei!
“ EVERYBODY
knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody knows the good guys lost (temporarily)
Everybody knows the fight was fixed,
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
And everybody knows that it’s now or never
Everybody knows that it’s me or you
And everybody knows that you live forever
Ah, when you’ve done a line or two
Everybody knows the deal is Rotten
Old black Joe’s still pickin’ cotton
…For your ribbons and bows
Everybody knows
And everybody knows that the plague is coming
Everybody knows that it’s moving fast
Everybody knows that the naked man and woman
Are just a shining artefact of the past
Everybody knows that the scene is dead
But there’s going to be a meter on your bed
That will disclose
What Everybody Knows.”
-Cohen / Robinson
Test comment. Does this mod fix the gateway issue?
It does. Thank god for that as it will make the anti-spam more effective under the deluge.
“Thank God”? around here you are the deity.
RNZ’s Chris Laidlaw retires from airwaves
http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/9391079/RNZs-Chris-Laidlaw-retires-from-airwaves
‘The style and content of the Sunday slot would be reviewed.’
“A new host would develop new ideas and concepts, but the sense of direction it would take is not yet known,” he said.
This will give new CEO Paul Thomson and chairman Richard Griffin a chance to change the tone of the show perhaps?
“In 2006 Christchurch newspaper The Press garnered feedback from some 4,600 readers through surveys, focus groups and public meetings. A major complaint was the amount of space given to crime news. Editor Paul Thompson wrote there would be ‘a more selective approach to court and crime news, particularly coverage of violence and sexual attack, to avoid giving undue weight to those topics’.2 In 2008, as group executive editor of Fairfax Media, which had purchased The Press, Thompson wrote another editorial in which he justified publishing crime news ‘because you, the reader, love this stuff’.”
http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/crime-and-the-media/page-2
Yay, maybe National Radio might be worth listening to on a Sunday.
Expect to be held to this David” Awesome. It doesn’t mean it won’t go ahead, but still awesome. Maybe Sky would be prudent to hold off on its plans for a few months.
He’s damn good. Where room to move is needed, he leaves room to move; where a definitive position is needed, he takes it.
(I hope he learnt from his reply on MP’s pay rises a bit earlier on, which was too wishy washy).
Let me say that I’ve had a further communication from a senior police officer relating to previous matters that I believe was in good faith and well intentioned.
My impression is that certain individuals mean well, even senior ones, but that there is an entrenched culture, so certainly, ANY talk of “bad apples” has to be stamped on immediately.
Keep pushing awareness of rape culture, not just a few bad apples.
Very pleased for you and hope you are feeling reassured. Good to see you commenting.
I’d feel a bit paranoid if they rang me as well. My first instinct is definitely not to trust them.
I hear Radio New Zealand going schizophrenic again this morning. Central Bank and Reserve Bank in the same sentence.
So which is it or is it just some new hire j-school grad showing off and doing their best to confuse everybody with their belletristic erudition?
as you too are valued for the aesthetic content of your comments hookie.