Some people’s ideas are genocide and slavery. They don’t want to win a debate, they just want to be listed on the exchange. They don’t have ideas, as such. They have intentions. The idea is a seat at the table.
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People do not have a right to a platform for their ideas. People do not have the right to a debate. However, people do have a right to not have to hear that their worth as human beings, their very existence in society, is something that is up for debate.
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A debate must be in good faith. Sometimes it is inappropriate to have a debate against someone who's intentions are not in good faith. Sometimes you have to 'change the locks'. Sometimes it becomes necessary to simply say, “What you believe is that some people have less worth than other people, and I think that is an indecent position to take. As a result, there are no details you can present within that framework that interest me in the slightest, and I don’t see any point in any debate about those details.”
um..!..correct me if i'm wrong – but i recall you arguing here for me to be shut down for 'not debating in good faith'..
which is why the first line on this excerpt you chose to link to..jumped out at me..
'A debate must be in good faith. Sometimes it is inappropriate to have a debate against someone who's intentions are not in good faith. Sometimes you have to 'change the locks'
and it does seem to me that looking at the excerpts you chose to highlight..that you are arguing for the censorship – of the likes of me..
Just no point in continuing a discussion with someone who does not understand words like 'censorship'. I trust others to have enough nous to make sense of what is already there.
It is not compulsory to answer questions posed by other commenters, least in OM. You know this and do it yourself, from time to time. Rather than displaying your dissatisfaction with Sacha’s reason for “cutting and running” from you, you may want to consider a different response or just leave it and move on and enjoy your time in the sun at a bach in Raglan. I know what I’d do 😉
I apologise for misreading “a beach near raglan” as “a bach at Raglan”. Very sloppy of me.
Even though a commenter may intend to start a “discussion topic”, and even if they happen to post the “first post of the day”, they may feel it is an exercise in futility to engage with another commenter on that topic for various reasons. A wise thing to do is to politely state the reason(s) and not engage further. Or they may simply ignore the other commenter. All quite civil and freedom of speech does allow to not engage. Take it or leave it, Phil.
cd you plse define/clarify for me what exactly a 'bad faith argument' is..
and perhaps as further clarification/an example – you could apply those definitions to the animal-rights arguments i present(ed)..
and perhaps tell me why you thought you had the grounds to accuse me of 'bad faith' arguing at that time..?
and if an argument is challenging to the listener – as clearly mine were to/for you – do they morph into 'bad faith' arguments..?
and – as explanation – my reasons for opposing such subjective censorship – is because it is so just that – 'subjective'..
and this makes it wide open to abuse/to shutting down issues you don't want discussed/to silencing people you don't 'like'..for whatever tenuous reasons…
and because it is so open to abuse – this is why it must not be countenanced..
and really – the best-ever takedown of authoritarianism has to be cartman..
I find when opposing one using bad faith arguments as you laid out, despite best intentions, it's frequently easier to just show where they are wrong and leave it to the ether. The problems arise when one tries to counter the shifting goalposts that often come when debating a BFA, and as we know from here, come they do… Along with the insults and straw men and because you've written this it must mean you believe this type of foolery.
I like how you have practiced what you preached and not got involved here. A fine example.
I can't stand the 'both sides' debate – (usually made by those with privilege imo) – for the reasons stated in the article linked to above
Let's state the obvious: People who intend to deliberately harm others lie to do so. They do so instrumentally, because lies are a useful tool. They debate instrumentally, for the same reason. They equivocate their lies as equal to the truth for the same reason.
Saying ‘both sides are the same,’ when one side is a lie and the other the truth, always promotes the lie and degrades the truth. Thus, attempts to create contexts in which both sides are essentially just opposite views of entirely equal value should always be understood as attempts to disguise a lie.
Put it another way: A ‘both sides are the same’ argument is never a neutral position. It is a false front disguising itself as a neutral position, and is intended, either with conscious intentionality or unconscious desire for comfortable ignorance, to elevate a lie.
That quote mm is spot on and it happens almost on a daily basis these days.
The best example though has been the 'two sides' theory of Climate Change. There was never two sides. There was the truth and there were the lies. It should not be forgotten that some 10 or so years ago, the liars went so far as to hack into a prominent British scientist's (there might have been more than one) emails and altered figures to make it look like the material contained was faulty and the scientist(s) incompetent.
And for years the gullible and ignorant MSM around the world went along with the two-side theory and must take a large dose of the blame for the delay in forcing the necessary changes required to save life on Earth.
Do you have a link for that, Anne? We wouldn't want people to think you were arguing in bad faith in a discussion about "bad faith arguments".
[speaking of bad faith, consider this a warning that if you continue to poke at and bait commenters you’ll get another ban. I can see no reason at all for questioning Anne’s good faith here. By all means ask for more information from her, but taking a potshot at the same time is going to cause problems – weka]
You made the assertion, Anne. Hence, it's not my job to back your claim. My understanding is (on this site) it's yours – i.e. those who make an assertion.
Oh great! You are bogged down again by pedantic nitpickery and thus missing (again!) the main message of Anne’s comment @ 1.2.1, which was a direct response to marty mars @ 1.2. In fact, you kinda prove their point, which I find most ironic but not too surprising.
That is the one. Thanks Incognito. I couldn't recall the details off the top of my head.
Poor little TC. It's gonna take him a long time to absorb all of that material so we can expect not to hear from him for a while. Troubling to think that someone who sold himself as a Green supporter and voter in times past didn't know what I was talking about. 😉
Oh great! You are bogged down again by pedantic nitpickery and thus missing (again!) the main message of Anne’s comment @ 1.2.1, which was a direct response to marty mars @ 1.2. In fact, you kinda prove their point, which I find most ironic but not too surprising.
Not at all.
It's not that I didn't get the gist of her comment. It's what you claimed to merely be "pedantic nitpickery" which was the point I was highlighting (albeit indirectly) to Anne. And which weakened the validity of her comment.
While there was altering via context, there was no altering of figures (by the hackers) as Anne claimed. Placing the faith of her argument in question in a discussion about bad faith arguments.
I see, you are doubling down on the nitpickery and questioning the good faith of Anne’s comment. Way to go, champ. Perhaps you may want to re-read the whole thread and then go back up the thread and comment on the gist or have you sunk too deep into death by detail dump.
Of course I'm doubling down. Why wouldn't I be? It was the point I was making. And the reason I posted it. Anne stating they altered figures brought the good faith of her comment into question.
[Because you had been warned by weka about questioning Anne’s good faith here. By doubling down, you show that you, in fact, are acting in bad faith. In addition, you have made zero useful contribution today in any thread on this site and your dull drudgery is getting tedious. Take the rest of the day off – Incognito]
While there was altering via context, there was no altering of figures (by the hackers) as Anne claimed.
Oh, so it was some of the wording that was altered not the figures. Same result. The documents were mischievously changed to make it look like the scientists were incompetent.
I may not have recalled the details exactly but I do remember the CC deniers vociferously accusing the scientists of misinformation.
Unfortunately the media were remiss in giving the outcome of the several inquiries by British, European and American agencies the same level of prominence as the original accusations which, in itself, was an example of irresponsible media coverage.
Thanks TC for affording my and Marty Mar's commentaries the prominence they would not otherwise have received.
And here is a quote from the text supplied by Incognito @ 1217pm to back up my claims:
Concerns about the media's role in promoting early allegations while also minimising later coverage exonerating the scientists were raised by journalists and policy experts. Historian Spencer R. Weart of the American Institute of Physics said the incident was unprecedented in the history of science, having "never before seen a set of people accuse an entire community of scientists of deliberate deception and other professional malfeasance". The United States National Academy of Sciences expressed concern and condemned what they called "political assaults on scientists and climate scientists in particular".
Typical ‘bad faith’ activity, much like National's persistent Dirty Politics tactics.
Misrepresentation is another bad faith activity – for example, someone asserting they are “more left than most“, while only referring to Prime Minister Ardern on a first name basis
Now now kids! Go to your corners. And for homework, you're expected to determine what sort of polygon you all belong to. I want it on my desk first thing in the morning!
(We've got the inspector coming and our funding depends on it)
Article 49. Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.
ISTANBUL (Reuters) – As Turkish troops finalize plans to attack northeast Syria, Ankara’s scheme to move millions of refugees into conquered territory there is alarming some Western allies as much as the military operation itself.
Addressing world leaders at the United Nations two weeks ago, President Tayyip Erdogan held up a map of the region setting out ambitious proposals to build dozens of new villages and towns to settle Syrian refugees.
His map showed that 1 million Syrians would be housed in the northeast, but Erdogan told the U.N. General Assembly that even more – up to 2 million – refugees could settle there once Turkish soldiers take control.
Reports that Hevrin Khalaf was stopped in her armoured SUV by Turkish-backed mercenary factions, her driver executed, and she was either stoned to death or shot and then stoned.
David Graeber on Rojava as "..one of the most exciting political developments … since the anarchists in Spain in the 1930's. Makes the case that the Kurds in Syria do not have any intention to create, or even a concept of, a single Kurdish state across Syria and Turkey. Instead, Erdogan is an authoritarian who fears political contamination of his domestic Kurdish population by such deeply democratic ideas. Also says that although the origins of IS/ISIS are murky, it is likely a creation of the Turkish secret police and various Gulf States. From Novara Media a few days ago.
Gosh that's alarming. And the comments were interesting. I thought this one made a point that can be seen as resulting in continuing fighting and killing.
palim palim 3 days ago I think the problem we will face in the future will be eco-fascism. The right won't be able to ignore climate change anymore so they gonna "protect the moderate climate zones from refugees" or something like that.
The fucker greenlighted Erdogan. The US had advance knowledge that Turkey was going to invade and bailed on the Kurds.
Today, President Donald J. Trump spoke with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey by telephone. Turkey will soon be moving forward with its long-planned operation into Northern Syria. The United States Armed Forces will not support or be involved in the operation, and United States forces, having defeated the ISIS territorial “Caliphate,” will no longer be in the immediate area.
The United States Government has pressed France, Germany, and other European nations, from which many captured ISIS fighters came, to take them back, but they did not want them and refused. The United States will not hold them for what could be many years and great cost to the United States taxpayer. Turkey will now be responsible for all ISIS fighters in the area captured over the past two years in the wake of the defeat of the territorial “Caliphate” by the United States.
'I have seen Michael Pratt attack an employee. [Another colleague] has shown me scars where Michael Pratt stabbed him,' Moser said in court transcripts.
'I have seen him at his drunkest. I have seen the worst parts of him. I know what he's capable of. I think I understand the way his mind works and that's scary,' Moser told the court.
I think that NZr dyes his hair – he is black in that photo but he could go light to escape notice.
It made me think of a previous male kiwi who made money from spying on females. Kiwi men have wide talents and I think some of them excel in devious sexual behaviour reflecting the lingering Victorian approach in our culture. This one spied on Princess Diana as she worked out at the gym where she was a member.
1993 – The gym rat:
New Zealand squash was proud of Bryce Taylor, leading junior then long-time coach of Susan Devoy. Then Taylor installed secret cameras in a gym in London to take secret photos of Princess Diana working out. He sold the pics to the Mirror group for hundreds of thousands of pounds. Legal action followed, not surprisingly. Taylor was reviled and became known as the gym rat. http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/10242790/Romanos-NZs-sporting-history-sorry-moments
A Bryce Taylor sold images to gettypictures. They included sports shots and people in general and images of celebrities, bodies and activities are probably quite lucrative as a commercial venture.
Princess Diana however developed a cunning ploy to merge with the background and spoil the male and money stimulating images.
I worry that inappropriate filming isn't taken seriously enough in NZ. We still have people filmed after accidents for example, and then there's the case of the GP who filmed his colleagues but can still practice as a doctor.
Life as a female is hard enough without having to be concerned that you might have been filmed during a smear test.
Executive officer for CPAG, Georgie Craw, said the welfare system was "broken" and the petition was calling on the Government to put "kindness and compassion at the heart of of the system".
By delivering the petition to Ardern's office, Craw said she hoped the prime minister would "provide some leadership".
Did Jacinda comment on this petition on her return?
Is she even aware of it?
Will she or did she give any indication on delivering on the hope she will provide some leadership on this?
One of the main concerns in this petition is the definition of a relationship, potentially putting people in the position of being trapped in an abusive relationship.
Have you tried your extensive network of people you know? Have you asked the PM? Have you asked Georgie Craw? Are you seriously expecting to find the answers to your three questions on this site when you did not have “any luck elsewhere”?
A link providing “insight” is a great way to start a genuine debate IMHO.
Are you seriously expecting to find the answers to your three questions on this site when you did not have “any luck elsewhere”?
Indeed. There is a large and somewhat informed community here that may be able to provide these answers.
Unfortunately, the petition was taken to Jacinda when she was out of the country, seemingly (as the media spotlight has seemed to moved on) allowing her to escape having to comment.
Re the further insight, the more info one has on an issue the better one can discuss and debate the issue.
As for the issue itself, I don't have a problem with it being urgently addressed. Do you?
Unfortunately, the petition was taken to Jacinda when she was out of the country, seemingly (as the media spotlight has seemed to moved on) allowing her to escape having to comment.
Again, you severely damage any credibility you may have. Even to insinuate that the PM’s trip to the UN was an attempt (?) to be away when the petition was delivered to her office shows a kind of thinking that has little bearing in reality.
I have already told you to feel free to debate the issue so why do you ask me?
Again, you severely damage any credibility you may have. Even to insinuate that the PM’s trip to the UN was an attempt (?) to be away when the petition was delivered to her office shows a kind of thinking that has little bearing in reality.
I wasn't insinuating that at all.
I was making a point (albeit indirectly) that the petition delivery was badly timed. And as a consequence of that, it seems Jacinda escaped having to comment.
I was asking you so as to ascertain your position on the matter to see if there was anything there we disagreed upon, thus perhaps providing a point of debate.
Right, the timing of delivery of the petition had nothing to do with the PM and her trip to the UN. It was merely convenient for the PM that she was away at the time, was it, so that she could escape having to comment? Your bias has nothing to do with the way you paint a picture and how you formulate and phrase your comments, has it?
If an issue is important enough that you feel it needs to be addressed urgently you have “a large and somewhat informed community here” at your beg and call to start a debate with. So, debate away. We are waiting with bated breath.
So, after all your Morris dancing on a pinhead, you do not want to debate this topic! Your credibility as a genuine good faith commenter has taken another major self-inflicted hit.
My apologies to all of you who cannot read comments that go straight into Trash in the back-end.
You did not miss anything until after I gave him the rest of the day off around 3:00 PM and one comment from TC @ 3:13 PM went straight into Trash. That particular comment clearly showed that it all been an enormous waste of time 🙁
Yes, thanks Incognito. I have given up pointing out how often concern troll TC keeps blowing his own cover. You nailed this one nicely. Most would give up, but TC seems strangely determined to persist.
I can tell you that some moderators are not enamoured with his behaviour and if he’s not willing to change his ways here he’ll lose his commenting privilege.
Mr Dodds said: "There is a lot of stuff coming from Brussels, pushed by the Europeans in the last hours. "One thing is sure – Northern Ireland must remain fully part of the UK customs union and Boris Johnson knows it very well," he told the Italian newspaper La Repubblica.
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Here is a article from Stuff.co and from the sound of it, a young and progressive ECAN after the last 9yrs of BS! I hope they give the members of “The No Mates Party” and their lackeys a two finger salute.
France and Cyprus are conducting naval maneuvers off Cyprus as the east Mediterranean island nation is embroiled in a tense dispute with Turkey over offshore gas drilling.
Two French frigates heading to Syria plan to take part in "routine" exercises in Cypriot waters this weekend, a French military spokesman, Col. Frederic Barbry, said Saturday.
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The maneuvers come as a Turkish drill ship, which is escorted by warships, is poised to start drilling inside waters where Cyprus has licensed French energy company Total and Italian partner Eni to explore for gas.
Another warship-escorted Turkish drill ship began drilling in Cyprus' exclusive economic zone in June. The European Union and other countries have condemned Turkey's gas search inside Cypriot waters as illegal.
Is USA intransigence and Make USA great again having an affect on Turkey's right wing leader? Does he scent an uprising of the previous greatness of Turkey before it got cut to size? Are we going to have everyplace realise how globalism can limit or advance them, and choosing to advance, expand, shoulder others out of the way.? No more Mr Nice Guy stuff.
Erdogan fancies himself as a neo-ottoman, a later-day Sultan mandated to expand Turkey and rebuild the Empire. The west's readiness to sit on it's hands and watch a bloody civil war rage in Syria and the power he has as gate keeper with yay or nay over the movement of refugees into Western Europe has emboldened him.
His recent ability to manipulate tRump is the icing on the cake.
He's gone large and thrown down the glove, stop me if you dare!
Sanders represents a movement that will live on after him – whether he wins or loses. According to Michael Brooks – one of the best and most historically conscious commentators around.
Labour was the only party to lose support in Newshub's poll. It's now on 41.6 percent – smacked down by 9.2 percent.
Most of that went to National, which is on 43.9 percent – up 6.5. This is enough to overtake Labour, and that's manna from heaven for the Nats and leader Simon Bridges.
But it's not enough to rule because the Greens are on 6.3 percent – up 0.1 percent – and keeping Labour in power.
Maybe the woeful handling of the Labour sexual harassment claims were a significant factor in Labour's plunge. In saying that, sections of the media were equally as woeful in their reporting of the claims and one of the worst culprits was Newshub. Facts were misrepresented or left out altogether leaving a distorted impression of what we actually came to know seems to have happened. They will hopefully be confirmed by the Inquiry.
I think its time for the Labour Party to stand up and call out those media commentators responsible. They are currently letting them get away with political murder.
So in spite of Newshub’s (and the Herald’s) dramatic headlines the poll shows the same electoral outcome that polls have been suggesting for well over a year now? Namely that Labour plus the Greens have enough support to form majority government without NZFirst.
It will be spun as a marked trend downwards for Labour though ScottGN. The sort of angle that over time voters will believe.
I agree with this extract from Martyn Bradbury's summing up:
No one should be shocked or surprised by this sudden drop in Labour support and Jacinda’s personal preferred PM numbers. This Poll was taken at the height of major media pundits and journalists falsely accusing Jacinda of knowing about and covering up a sexual assault as spelt out in grim detail by The Spinoff.
The woeful handling was down to some members of the Labour Party hierarchy and had nothing to do with Jacinda Ardern. That was a mischievous beat-up by the media.
It's a big wake-up call for Labour. This is the sort of media assassination they can expect to see next year.
I agree completely Anne. It’s worrisome that Labour doesn’t seem to have figured out a strategy to deal with what is, essentially, a hostile media. Also the party needs to get its shit together. Relying on Jacinda and her popularity to get them out of trouble that they don’t seem able to anticipate is not going to work long term. Her personal brand and credibility are political commodities that need to be treasured not wasted on every party crisis that comes along. It’s inconceivable that National would have put Key in the position that Labour put Ardern in over the sex assault scandal, they knew only too well that he was their ticket to government .
So in spite of Newshub’s (and the Herald’s) dramatic headlines the poll shows the same electoral outcome that polls have been suggesting for well over a year now?
Yep. Not that you'd guess that from Newshub's reporting. Oh no, with disastrous setbacks like polls showing Labour and the Greens could govern alone, however will the government win a second term?
So, this poll bump is not due to Chris Luxon’s shock announcement that he’s seeking party nomination to stand in Botany? Oh well, it looks like we keep the same Government in 2020 anyway.
Not really Incognito. Bradbury's article on the Daily Blog is worth a read. I agree with most of it. He points out the Greens should have picked up more of that 9.2% Labour loss and I have to agree. Politics is about more than just niceness and kindness. Both parties need to stand up more to the aggression coming from both the Nats and the ‘gotcha’ media hoons.
Most of the poll would have been conducted before the Luxon announcement.
My apologies to you, Anne, I was kidding about Luxon.
Anyway, I read Bradbury’s post upon your recommendation and came away slightly disappointed. He did not mention the other June poll, which is/was much more in line with the poll released tonight. Have a look at Micky’s post on the two June polls: https://thestandard.org.nz/two-polls-out-tonight/
If you're referring to the TVNZ Colmar Brunton yes it is closer to tonight's poll but I don't see the relevance. It was four months ago under different circumstances.
Yes I'm easily suckable. Include an emoticon in future. 😉
Where is everybody tonight? Polls usually bring them out of the woodwork.
First a confession: I don’t like talking (too) much about polls.
I think it is relevant because two polls came out around the same time, about four months ago, and they were at odds with each other and with previous polls. One of these polls is now used by some (…) as the benchmark against which to compare today’s poll. The other one is completely ignored!?
It shouldn’t matter which company conducts the poll because they all claim to be objective and method-neutral, i.e. they claim to give an accurate snapshot. If, however, a certain media story is causing these big swings then polls become largely meaningless in predicting the outcome of an election that is most likely a year away.
What polls might show is party vulnerability and what’s currently cooking in the voter-eligible population. So, they might be good for setting party strategy.
I would not read too much into those polls; they all are as good as each other.
Some of the poll aficionados here might correct me on my wayward thinking.
Where is everybody tonight? Polls usually bring them out of the woodwork.
You seem to have missed that Anne was suggesting “the woeful handling of the Labour sexual harassment claims were a significant factor in Labour's plunge”. But maybe it didn’t suit your snarky comment.
How do you suggest “getting them on side” and how does this differ from what Anne was saying?
“Putting in tens of millions of 5G antennae without a single biological test of safety has got to be about the stupidest idea anyone has had in the history of the world.” – Dr. Martin L. Pall, PhD and Professor Emeritus of Biochemistry and Basic Medical Sciences at Washington State University
Just in case there's new readers that weren't around for previous go-arounds on the topic of 5G safety, here's a piece that takes a brief look at the extensive testing that has already been done and explains why the evidence and what we know of physics points to there being no danger from deploying 5g.
People may have heard mutterings about 5G messing up weather forecasts. The US is the only country apparently planning to use a frequency band near 20GHz for 5G. There's a frequency very close to 20 GHz that weather satellites use to measure water vapour in the upper atmosphere, so there's a concern terrestrial emissions near 20GHz will mess up the measurements. But if that happens, it will only be a local problem in the US.
So that will only affect US. What will only affect us? There will be something that will sooner or later. And then we will hear of numbers of affects from across the world.
5G, is just another set of radio frequencies. In the range that has been used with no evidence of general harm, for over a century.
If you are really worried about RF, perhaps you should cut off the power to your house. House wiring is a more proximate, and much more powerful source of radio frequency radiation.
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TL;DR: These are the six things that stood out to me in news and commentary on Aotearoa-NZ’s political economy in the two days to 6:06am on Thursday, April 25:Politics: PM Christopher Luxon has set up a dual standard for ministerial competence by demoting two National Cabinet ministers while leaving also-struggling ...
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It is hard to see what Melissa Lee might have done to “save” the media. National went into the election with no public media policy and appears not to have developed one subsequently. Lee claimed that she had prepared a policy paper before the election but it had been decided ...
Open access notablesIce acceleration and rotation in the Greenland Ice Sheet interior in recent decades, Løkkegaard et al., Communications Earth & Environment:In the past two decades, mass loss from the Greenland ice sheet has accelerated, partly due to the speedup of glaciers. However, uncertainty in speed derived from satellite products ...
Buzz from the Beehive A statement from Children’s Minister Karen Chhour – yet to be posted on the Government’s official website – arrived in Point of Order’s email in-tray last night. It welcomes the High Court ruling on whether the Waitangi Tribunal can demand she appear before it. It does ...
Mr Bombastic:Ironically, the media the academic experts wanted is, in many ways, the media they got. In place of the tyrannical editors of yesteryear, advancing without fear or favour the interests of the ruling class; the New Zealand news media of today boasts a troop of enlightened journalists dedicated to ...
It's hard times try to make a livingYou wake up every morning in the unforgivingOut there somewhere in the cityThere's people living lives without mercy or pityI feel good, yeah I'm feeling fineI feel better then I have for the longest timeI think these pills have been good for meI ...
In 1974, the US Supreme Court issued its decision in United States v. Nixon, finding that the President was not a King, but was subject to the law and was required to turn over the evidence of his wrongdoing to the courts. It was a landmark decision for the rule ...
Every day now just seems to bring in more fresh meat for the grinder.In their relentlessly ideological drive to cut back on the “excessive bloat” (as they see it) of the previous Labour-led government, on the mountains of evidence accumulated in such a short period of time do not ...
This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections by Megan Valére SosouMarket gardening site of the Itchèléré de Itagui agricultural cooperative in Dassa-Zoumè (Image credit: Megan Valère Sossou) For the residents of Dassa-Zoumè, a city in the West African country of Benin, choosing between drinking water and having enough ...
Buzz from the Beehive Melissa Lee – as may be discerned from the screenshot above – has not been demoted for doing something seriously wrong as Minister of ...
Morning in London Mother hugs beloved daughter outside the converted shoe factory in which she is living.Afternoon in London Travelling writer takes himself and his wrist down to A&E, just to be sure. Read more ...
Mike Grimshaw writes – The recent announcement of the University Advisory Group, chaired by Sir Peter Gluckman, makes very clear where the Government’s focus and priorities lie. The remit of the Advisory Group is that Group members will consider challenges and opportunities for improvement in the university sector including: ...
Eric Crampton writes – The Reserve Bank of New Zealand desperately wants to find reasons to have workstreams in climate change. It makes little sense. They’ve run another stress test on the banks looking to see if they could find a prudential regulation case. They couldn’t. They ...
Rob MacCullough writes – Pundits from the left and the right are arguing that National’s Fast Track Bill that is designed to speed up infrastructure decisions could end up becoming mired in a cesspool of corruption. Political commentator ...
Looking at the headlines this morning it’s hard to feel anything other than pessimistic about the future of humanity.Note that I’m not speaking about the future of mankind, but the survival of our humanity. The values that we believe in seem to be ebbing away, by the day.Perhaps every generation ...
Swabbing mixed breed baby chicks to test for avian influenzaUh oh. Bird flu – often deadly to humans – is not only being transmitted from infected birds to dairy cows, but is now travelling between dairy cows. As of last Friday, Bloomberg News reports, there were 32 American dairy herds ...
On February 14, 2023 we announced our Rebuttal Update Project. This included an ask for feedback about the added "At a glance" section in the updated basic rebuttal versions. This weekly blog post series highlights this new section of one of the updated basic rebuttal versions and serves as a ...
What is it with the mining industry? Its not enough for them to pillage the earth - they apparently can't even be bothered getting resource consent to do so: The proponent behind a major mine near the Clutha River had already been undertaking activity in the area without a ...
Photo # 1 I am a huge fan of Singapore’s approach to housing, as described here two years ago by copying and pasting from The ConversationWhat Singapore has that Australia does not is a public housing developer, the Housing Development Board, which puts new dwellings on public and reclaimed land, ...
Buzz from the Beehive Reactions to news of the government’s readiness to make urgent changes to “the resource management system” through a Bill to amend the Resource Management Act (RMA) suggest a balanced approach is being taken. The Taxpayers’ Union says the proposed changes don’t go far enough. Greenpeace says ...
I’m starting to wonder if Anna Burns-Francis might be the best political interviewer we’ve got. That might sound unlikely to you, it came as a bit of a surprise to me.Jack Tame can be excellent, but has some pretty average days. I like Rebecca Wright on Newshub, she asks good ...
Chris Trotter writes – Willie Jackson is said to be planning a “media summit” to discuss “the state of the media and how to protect Fourth Estate Journalism”. Not only does the Editor of The Daily Blog, Martyn Bradbury, think this is a good idea, but he has also ...
Graeme Edgeler writes – This morning [April 21], the Wellington High Court is hearing a judicial review brought by Hon. Karen Chhour, the Minister for Children, against a decision of the Waitangi Tribunal. This is unusual, judicial reviews are much more likely to brought against ministers, rather than ...
Both of Parliament’s watchdogs have now ripped into the Government’s Fast-track Approvals Bill. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāMy pick of the six newsey things to know from Aotearoa’s political economy and beyond on the morning of Tuesday, April 23 are:The Lead: The Auditor General,John Ryan, has joined the ...
This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections by Sarah SpengemanPeople wait to board an electric bus in Pune, India. (Image credit: courtesy of ITDP) Public transportation riders in Pune, India, love the city’s new electric buses so much they will actually skip an older diesel bus that ...
The infrastructure industry yesterday issued a “hurry up” message to the Government, telling it to get cracking on developing a pipeline of infrastructure projects.The hiatus around the change of Government has seen some major projects cancelled and others delayed, and there is uncertainty about what will happen with the new ...
Hi,Over the weekend I revisited a podcast I really adore, Dead Eyes. It’s about a guy who got fired from Band of Brothers over two decades ago because Tom Hanks said he had “dead eyes”.If you don’t recall — 2001’s Band of Brothers was part of the emerging trend of ...
Buzz from the Beehive The 180 or so recipients of letters from the Government telling them how to submit infrastructure projects for “fast track” consideration includes some whose project applications previously have been rejected by the courts. News media were quick to feature these in their reports after RMA Reform Minister Chris ...
It would not be a desirable way to start your holiday by breaking your back, your head, or your wrist, but on our first hour in Singapore I gave it a try.We were chatting, last week, before we started a meeting of Hazel’s Enviro Trust, about the things that can ...
Calling all journalists, academics, planners, lawyers, political activists, environmentalists, and other members of the public who believe that the relationships between vested interests and politicians need to be scrutinised. We need to work together to make sure that the new Fast-Track Approvals Bill – currently being pushed through by the ...
Feel worried. Shane Jones and a couple of his Cabinet colleagues are about to be granted the power to override any and all objections to projects like dams, mines, roads etc even if: said projects will harm biodiversity, increase global warming and cause other environmental harms, and even if ...
Bryce Edwards writes- The ability of the private sector to quickly establish major new projects making use of the urban and natural environment is to be supercharged by the new National-led Government. Yesterday it introduced to Parliament one of its most significant reforms, the Fast Track Approvals Bill. ...
Michael Bassett writes – If you think there is a move afoot by the radical Maori fringe of New Zealand society to create a parallel system of government to the one that we elect at our triennial elections, you aren’t wrong. Over the last few days we have ...
Without a corresponding drop in interest rates, it’s doubtful any changes to the CCCFA will unleash a massive rush of home buyers. Photo: Lynn GrievesonTL;DR: The six things that stood out to me in Aotearoa’s political economy around housing, poverty and climate on Monday, April 22 included:The Government making a ...
Sunday was a lazy day. I started watching Jack Tame on Q&A, the interviews are usually good for something to write about. Saying the things that the politicians won’t, but are quite possibly thinking. Things that are true and need to be extracted from between the lines.As you might know ...
In our Weekly Roundup last week we covered news from Auckland Transport that the WX1 Western Express is going to get an upgrade next year with double decker electric buses. As part of the announcement, AT also said “Since we introduced the WX1 Western Express last November we have seen ...
TL;DR: The six key events to watch in Aotearoa-NZ’s political economy in the week to April 29 include:PM Christopher Luxon is scheduled to hold a post-Cabinet news conference at 4 pm today. Stats NZ releases its statutory report on Census 2023 tomorrow.Finance Minister Nicola Willis delivers a pre-Budget speech at ...
A listing of 29 news and opinion articles we found interesting and shared on social media during the past week: Sun, April 14, 2024 thru Sat, April 20, 2024. Story of the week Our story of the week hinges on these words from the abstract of a fresh academic ...
The ability of the private sector to quickly establish major new projects making use of the urban and natural environment is to be supercharged by the new National-led Government. Yesterday it introduced to Parliament one of its most significant reforms, the Fast Track Approvals Bill. The Government says this will ...
This is a column to say thank you. So many of have been in touch since Mum died to say so many kind and thoughtful things. You’re wonderful, all of you. You’ve asked how we’re doing, how Dad’s doing. A little more realisation each day, of the irretrievable finality of ...
Identifying the engine type in your car is crucial for various reasons, including maintenance, repairs, and performance upgrades. Knowing the specific engine model allows you to access detailed technical information, locate compatible parts, and make informed decisions about modifications. This comprehensive guide will provide you with a step-by-step approach to ...
Introduction: The allure of racing is undeniable. The thrill of speed, the roar of engines, and the exhilaration of competition all contribute to the allure of this adrenaline-driven sport. For those who yearn to experience the pinnacle of racing, becoming a race car driver is the ultimate dream. However, the ...
Introduction Automobiles have become ubiquitous in modern society, serving as a primary mode of transportation and a symbol of economic growth and personal mobility. With countless vehicles traversing roads and highways worldwide, it begs the question: how many cars are there in the world? Determining the precise number is a ...
Maintaining a safe and reliable vehicle requires regular inspections. Whether it’s a routine maintenance checkup or a safety inspection, knowing how long the process will take can help you plan your day accordingly. This article delves into the factors that influence the duration of a car inspection and provides an ...
Mazda Motor Corporation, commonly known as Mazda, is a Japanese multinational automaker headquartered in Fuchu, Aki District, Hiroshima Prefecture, Japan. The company was founded in 1920 as the Toyo Cork Kogyo Co., Ltd., and began producing vehicles in 1931. Mazda is primarily known for its production of passenger cars, but ...
Your car battery is an essential component that provides power to start your engine, operate your electrical systems, and store energy. Over time, batteries can weaken and lose their ability to hold a charge, which can lead to starting problems, power failures, and other issues. Replacing your battery before it ...
Te Pāti Māori are demanding the New Zealand Government support an international independent investigation into mass graves that have been uncovered at two hospitals on the Gaza strip, following weeks of assault by Israeli troops. Among the 392 bodies that have been recovered, are children and elderly civilians. Many of ...
Our two-tiered system for veterans’ support is out of step with our closest partners, and all parties in Parliament should work together to fix it, Labour veterans’ affairs spokesperson Greg O’Connor said. ...
Stripping two Ministers of their portfolios just six months into the job shows Christopher Luxon’s management style is lacking, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said. ...
Tonight’s court decision to overturn the summons of the Children’s Minister has enabled the Crown to continue making decisions about Māori without evidence, says Te Pāti Māori spokesperson for Children, Mariameno Kapa-Kingi. “The judicial system has this evening told the nation that this government can do whatever they want when ...
It appears Nicola Willis is about to pull the rug out from under the feet of local communities still dealing with the aftermath of last year’s severe weather, and local councils relying on funding to build back from these disasters. ...
The Government is making short-sighted changes to the Resource Management Act (RMA) that will take away environmental protection in favour of short-term profits, Labour’s environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said today. ...
Labour welcomes the release of the report into the North Island weather events and looks forward to working with the Government to ensure that New Zealand is as prepared as it can be for the next natural disaster. ...
The Labour Party has called for the New Zealand Government to recognise Palestine, as a material step towards progressing the two-State solution needed to achieve a lasting peace in the region. ...
Some of our country’s most important work, stopping the sexual exploitation of children and violent extremism could go along with staff on the frontline at ports and airports. ...
The Government’s Fast Track Approvals Bill will give projects such as new coal mines a ‘get out of jail free’ card to wreak havoc on the environment, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said today. ...
The government's decision to reintroduce Three Strikes is a destructive and ineffective piece of law-making that will only exacerbate an inherently biased and racist criminal justice system, said Te Pāti Māori Justice Spokesperson, Tākuta Ferris, today. During the time Three Strikes was in place in Aotearoa, Māori and Pasifika received ...
Cuts to frontline hospital staff are not only a broken election promise, it shows the reckless tax cuts have well and truly hit the frontline of the health system, says Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall. ...
The Green Party has joined the call for public submissions on the fast-track legislation to be extended after the Ombudsman forced the Government to release the list of organisations invited to apply just hours before submissions close. ...
New Zealand’s good work at reducing climate emissions for three years in a row will be undone by the National government’s lack of ambition and scrapping programmes that were making a difference, Labour Party climate spokesperson Megan Woods said today. ...
More essential jobs could be on the chopping block, this time Ministry of Education staff on the school lunches team are set to find out whether they're in line to lose their jobs. ...
Te Pāti Māori is disgusted at the confirmation that hundreds are set to lose their jobs at Oranga Tamariki, and the disestablishment of the Treaty Response Unit. “This act of absolute carelessness and out of touch decision making is committing tamariki to state abuse.” Said Te Pāti Māori Oranga Tamariki ...
The Government is trying to bring in a law that will allow Ministers to cut corners and kill off native species, Labour environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said. ...
Cancelling urgently needed new Cook Strait ferries and hiking the cost of public transport for many Kiwis so that National can announce the prospect of another tunnel for Wellington is not making good choices, Labour Transport Spokesperson Tangi Utikere said. ...
A laundry list of additional costs for Tāmaki Makarau Auckland shows the Minister for the city is not delivering for the people who live there, says Labour Auckland Issues spokesperson Shanan Halbert. ...
Te Pāti Māori co-leader Rawiri Waititi, and Mema Paremata mō Tāmaki-Makaurau, Takutai Tarsh Kemp, will travel to the Gold Coast to strengthen ties with Māori in Australia next week (15-21 April). The visit, in the lead-up to the 9th Australian National Kapa haka Festival, will be an opportunity for both ...
The Green Party has today launched a step-by-step guide to help New Zealanders make their voice heard on the Government’s democracy dodging and anti-environment fast track legislation. ...
The National Government’s proposed changes to the Residential Tenancies Act will mean tenants can be turfed from their homes by landlords with little notice, Labour housing spokesperson Kieran McAnulty said. ...
Green Party co-leader Marama Davidson is calling on all parties to support a common-sense change that’s great for the planet and great for consumers after her member’s bill was drawn from the ballot today. ...
A significant milestone has been reached in the fight to strike an anti-Pasifika and unfair law from the country’s books after Teanau Tuiono’s members’ bill passed its first reading. ...
New Zealand has today missed the opportunity to uphold the right to a clean, healthy, and sustainable environment, says James Shaw after his member’s bill was voted down in its first reading. ...
Hon Paula Bennett has been appointed as member and chair of the Pharmac board, Associate Health Minister David Seymour announced today. "Pharmac is a critical part of New Zealand's health system and plays a significant role in ensuring that Kiwis have the best possible access to medicines,” says Mr Seymour. ...
Hundreds of New Zealand families affected by Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FASD) will benefit from a new Government focus on prevention and treatment, says Health Minister Dr Shane Reti. “We know FASD is a leading cause of preventable intellectual and neurodevelopmental disability in New Zealand,” Dr Reti says. “Every day, ...
Regional Development Minister Shane Jones today attended the official opening of Kaikohe’s new $14.7 million sports complex. “The completion of the Kaikohe Multi Sports Complex is a fantastic achievement for the Far North,” Mr Jones says. “This facility not only fulfils a long-held dream for local athletes, but also creates ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters’ engagements in Türkiye this week underlined the importance of diplomacy to meet growing global challenges. “Returning to the Gallipoli Peninsula to represent New Zealand at Anzac commemorations was a sombre reminder of the critical importance of diplomacy for de-escalating conflicts and easing tensions,” Mr Peters ...
Ambassador Millar, Burgemeester, Vandepitte, Excellencies, military representatives, distinguished guests, ladies and gentlemen – good morning and welcome to this sacred Anzac Day dawn service. It is an honour to be here on behalf of the Government and people of New Zealand at Buttes New British Cemetery, Polygon Wood – a deeply ...
Distinguished guests - It is an honour to return once again to this site which, as the resting place for so many of our war-dead, has become a sacred place for generations of New Zealanders. Our presence here and at the other special spaces of Gallipoli is made ...
Mai ia tawhiti pamamao, te moana nui a Kiwa, kua tae whakaiti mai matou, ki to koutou papa whenua. No koutou te tapuwae, no matou te tapuwae, kua honoa pumautia. Ko nga toa kua hinga nei, o te Waipounamu, o te Ika a Maui, he okioki tahi me o ...
Paul Goldsmith will take on responsibility for the Media and Communications portfolio, while Louise Upston will pick up the Disability Issues portfolio, Prime Minister Christopher Luxon announced today. “Our Government is relentlessly focused on getting New Zealand back on track. As issues change in prominence, I plan to adjust Ministerial ...
Recreational catch limits will be reduced in areas of Fiordland and the Chatham Islands to help keep those fisheries healthy and sustainable, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says. The lower recreational daily catch limits for a range of finfish and shellfish species caught in the Fiordland Marine Area and ...
Energy Minister Simeon Brown has welcomed an important milestone in New Zealand’s hydrogen future, with the opening of the country’s first network of hydrogen refuelling stations in Wiri. “I want to congratulate the team at Hiringa Energy and its partners K one W one (K1W1), Mitsui & Co New Zealand ...
The coalition Government is delivering on its commitment to improve resource management laws and give greater certainty to consent applicants, with a Bill to amend the Resource Management Act (RMA) expected to be introduced to Parliament next month. RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop has today outlined the first RMA Amendment ...
Overseas models for regulating the oil and gas sector, including their decommissioning regimes, are being carefully scrutinised as a potential template for New Zealand’s own sector, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. The Coalition Government is focused on rebuilding investor confidence in New Zealand’s energy sector as it looks to strengthen ...
Emergency Management and Recovery Minister Mark Mitchell has today released the Report of the Government Inquiry into the response to the North Island Severe Weather Events. “The report shows that New Zealand’s emergency management system is not fit-for-purpose and there are some significant gaps we need to address,” Mr Mitchell ...
Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith is today travelling to Europe where he’ll update the United Nations Human Rights Council on the Government’s work to restore law and order. “Attending the Universal Periodic Review in Geneva provides us with an opportunity to present New Zealand’s human rights progress, priorities, and challenges, while ...
Associate Agriculture Minister, Mark Patterson, formally reopened the world’s largest wool processing facility today in Awatoto, Napier, following a $50 million rebuild and refurbishment project. “The reopening of this facility will significantly lift the economic opportunities available to New Zealand’s wool sector, which already accounts for 20 per cent of ...
Hon Andrew Bayly, Minister for Small Business and Manufacturing At the Southland Otago Regional Engineering Collective (SOREC) Summit, 18 April, Dunedin Ngā mihi nui, Ko Andrew Bayly aho, Ko Whanganui aho Good Afternoon and thank you for inviting me to open your summit today. I am delighted ...
The Government is delivering on its commitment to bring back the Three Strikes legislation, Associate Justice Minister Nicole McKee announced today. “Our Government is committed to restoring law and order and enforcing appropriate consequences on criminals. We are making it clear that repeat serious violent or sexual offending is not ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has today announced four new diplomatic appointments for New Zealand’s overseas missions. “Our diplomats have a vital role in maintaining and protecting New Zealand’s interests around the world,” Mr Peters says. “I am pleased to announce the appointment of these senior diplomats from the ...
New Zealand is contributing NZ$7 million to support communities affected by severe food insecurity and other urgent humanitarian needs in Ethiopia and Somalia, Foreign Minister Rt Hon Winston Peters announced today. “Over 21 million people are in need of humanitarian assistance across Ethiopia, with a further 6.9 million people ...
Minister for Arts, Culture and Heritage Paul Goldsmith is congratulating Mataaho Collective for winning the Golden Lion for best participant in the main exhibition at the Venice Biennale. "Congratulations to the Mataaho Collective for winning one of the world's most prestigious art prizes at the Venice Biennale. “It is good ...
The Government is reforming financial services to improve access to home loans and other lending, and strengthen customer protections, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly and Housing Minister Chris Bishop announced today. “Our coalition Government is committed to rebuilding the economy and making life simpler by cutting red tape. We are ...
“China remains a strong commercial opportunity for Kiwi exporters as Chinese businesses and consumers continue to value our high-quality safe produce,” Trade and Agriculture Minister Todd McClay says. Mr McClay has returned to New Zealand following visits to Beijing, Harbin and Shanghai where he met ministers, governors and mayors and engaged in trade and agricultural events with the New ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has completed a successful trip to Singapore, Thailand and the Philippines, deepening relationships and capitalising on opportunities. Mr Luxon was accompanied by a business delegation and says the choice of countries represents the priority the New Zealand Government places on South East Asia, and our relationships in ...
New Zealand is demonstrating its commitment to reducing global greenhouse emissions, and supporting clean energy transition in South East Asia, through a contribution of NZ$41 million (US$25 million) in climate finance to the Asian Development Bank (ADB)-led Energy Transition Mechanism (ETM). Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Climate Change Minister Simon Watts announced ...
The Government is today releasing a list of organisations who received letters about the Fast-track applications process, says RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop. “Recently Ministers and agencies have received a series of OIA requests for a list of organisations to whom I wrote with information on applying to have a ...
Attorney-General Judith Collins today announced the appointment of Wellington Barrister David Jonathan Boldt as a Judge of the High Court, and the Honourable Justice Matthew Palmer as a Judge of the Court of Appeal. Justice Boldt graduated with an LLB from Victoria University of Wellington in 1990, and also holds ...
Education Minister Erica Stanford will lead the New Zealand delegation at the 2024 International Summit on the Teaching Profession (ISTP) held in Singapore. The delegation includes representatives from the Post Primary Teachers’ Association (PPTA) Te Wehengarua and the New Zealand Educational Institute (NZEI) Te Riu Roa. The summit is co-hosted ...
A stopbank upgrade project in Tairawhiti partly funded by the Government has increased flood resilience for around 7000ha of residential and horticultural land so far, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones today attended a dawn service in Gisborne to mark the end of the first stage of the ...
Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters will represent the Government at Anzac Day commemorations on the Gallipoli Peninsula next week and engage with senior representatives of the Turkish government in Istanbul. “The Gallipoli campaign is a defining event in our history. It will be a privilege to share the occasion ...
Science, Innovation and Technology and Defence Minister Judith Collins will next week attend the OECD Science and Technology Ministerial conference in Paris and Anzac Day commemorations in Belgium. “Science, innovation and technology have a major role to play in rebuilding our economy and achieving better health, environmental and social outcomes ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with the President of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos Jr. The Prime Minister was accompanied by MP Paulo Garcia, the first Filipino to be elected to a legislature outside the Philippines. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon and President Marcos Jr discussed opportunities to ...
The Government has announced that $20 million in funding will be made available to Westport to fund much needed flood protection around the town. This measure will significantly improve the resilience of the community, says Local Government Minister Simeon Brown. “The Westport community has already been allocated almost $3 million ...
The Government is proud to support the first ever Repco Supercars Championship event in Taupō as up to 70,000 motorsport fans attend the Taupō International Motorsport Park this weekend, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. “Anticipation for the ITM Taupō Super400 is huge, with tickets and accommodation selling out weeks ...
Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced an increase to the Rates Rebate Scheme, putting money back into the pockets of low-income homeowners. “The coalition Government is committed to bringing down the cost of living for New Zealanders. That includes targeted support for those Kiwis who are doing things tough, such ...
The Coalition Government is investing in a project to boost survival rates of New Zealand mussels and grow the industry, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones has announced. “This project seeks to increase the resilience of our mussels and significantly boost the sector’s productivity,” Mr Jones says. “The project - ...
Benefit figures released today underscore the importance of the Government’s plan to rebuild the economy and have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker Support, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “Benefit numbers are still significantly higher than when National was last in government, when there was about 70,000 fewer ...
The Government’s commitment to doubling New Zealand’s renewable energy capacity is backed by new data showing that clean energy has helped the country reach its lowest annual gross emissions since 1999, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. New Zealand’s latest Greenhouse Gas Inventory (1990-2022) published today, shows gross emissions fell ...
The Government is bringing the earthquake-prone building review forward, with work to start immediately, and extending the deadline for remediations by four years, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “Our Government is focused on rebuilding the economy. A key part of our plan is to cut red tape that ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and his Thai counterpart, Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, have today agreed that New Zealand and the Kingdom of Thailand will upgrade the bilateral relationship to a Strategic Partnership by 2026. “New Zealand and Thailand have a lot to offer each other. We have a strong mutual desire to build ...
RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop and Transport Minister Simeon Brown have today announced the Coalition Government’s intention to extend port coastal permits for a further 20 years, providing port operators with certainty to continue their operations. “The introduction of the Resource Management Act in 1991 required ports to obtain coastal ...
The protest outside the White House correspondents’ dinner hotel. Image: Anatolu video screenshot APR More than two dozen Palestinian journalists had called for a boycott of the dinner, writing an open letter urging their American colleagues not to attend. “You have a unique responsibility to speak truth to power and ...
“Our exporters should, therefore, be deeply concerned that the Fast-track Approvals Bill was not assessed for consistency with any of our free trade commitments prior to being introduced to the House,” says Gary Taylor, Chief Executive of the Environmental ...
NZCTU President Richard Wagstaff is calling on all political parties to support the new Member’s Bill from Labour’s workplace relations and safety spokesperson Camilla Belich MP that would ensure negligent companies are held accountable when their employees ...
A historian with an uncanny track record of predicting US election winners tells RNZ's Sunday Morning that President Biden looks to be on track for another term, but things could still go very wrong for him. ...
A historian with a track record of predicting US election winners tells RNZ's Sunday Morning that President Biden looks to be on track for another term, but things could still go wrong for him. ...
Ngaio Marsh House is one of Christchurch’s best kept secrets – and contains more than a few mysteries of its own.Trust Ngaio Marsh to leave more than a few mysteries scattered through her house long after her departure. For a start, there’s the curious concrete portal in the garden, ...
Appointment viewing has been lost to the mists of time, but memories of Montana Sunday Theatre can still be conjured by hitting play on a particular piece of classical music. “You’re not going to be able to sell it.” Over 30 years on, Karen Bieleski still recalls how the task ...
Performance Review King Luxon sat behind His massive polished oak desk. It is Performance Review time. There is a knock on the door. “Enter!” says the King. In steps Minister of Disabilities and Carer Pedicures, Penny Simmonds. “I can explain everything …” she begins. “Fine,” says King Luxon, pressing the ...
The pair opened their first fully collaborative exhibition, Nina for Flowers, last Saturday. Gabi Lardies visited their studio to find out who Nina is and what working together was like.‘It didn’t start out like, ‘This is a show about Nina,’” says Josephine Jelicich, gripping a thermos of peppermint tea. ...
Thank you, Dr Maximilian Oskar Bircher-Benner, for your brilliant invention. I’m another mid-20s Kiwi who had an OE last year. I hopped on my bicycle where France meets the Atlantic and cycled east. I pedalled through the Loire Valley, down rivers lined with willows and ancient wisteria-draped chateaus. I relished ...
Asia Pacific Report From France to Australia, university pro-Palestine protests in the United States have now spread to several countries with students pitching on-campus camps. And students at Columbia and other US universities remain defiant as campuses have witnessed the biggest protests since the anti-Vietnam war and anti-apartheid eras in ...
Analysis by Dr Bryce Edwards, Democracy Project (https://democracyproject.nz)New Zealand Government’s Fast Track legislation. Many criticisms are being made of the Government’s Fast Track Approvals Bill, including by this writer. But as with everything in politics, every story has two sides, and both deserve attention. It’s important to understand what the Government ...
Tara Ward talks to presenter Naomi Toilalo about the new TV show that turns food waste into a three course feast. Naomi Toilalo is standing in the warehouse at Good Neighbour Tauranga, helping unpack the two-and-a-half tonnes of rejected food that will arrive at the community support hub that day. ...
Scout is our latest Dog of the Month. This feature was offered as a reward during our What’s Eating Aotearoa PledgeMe campaign. Thank you to Scout’s human, Avril, for her support. Dog name: Scout (named after the little girl in To Kill a Mockingbird – she inherited the independent spirit ...
Megan Alatini takes us through her life in TV, including ‘terrible’ daytime TV, the class of Carol Hirschfeld and her most embarrassing TrueBliss moment. When she responded to a vague newspaper ad asking “do you have what it takes to be a popstar?” 25 years ago, Megan Alatini never guessed ...
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When not to 'debate'.
http://www.armoxon.com/2017/09/bubbles-10-both-sides.html
you really are reciting the authoritarian-mantra..aren't you…?
deciding who can and who can't be heard..
a propensity that is both strong (and wrong) in many of my fellow leftwing travellers…
most disturbing..it is..
You really did not understand the article I linked to, did you? It talks only about individuals choosing how to act.
um..!..correct me if i'm wrong – but i recall you arguing here for me to be shut down for 'not debating in good faith'..
which is why the first line on this excerpt you chose to link to..jumped out at me..
'A debate must be in good faith. Sometimes it is inappropriate to have a debate against someone who's intentions are not in good faith. Sometimes you have to 'change the locks'
and it does seem to me that looking at the excerpts you chose to highlight..that you are arguing for the censorship – of the likes of me..
have i misunderstood that in some way..?
Moderators can choose to respond to bad faith arguments however they want.
???
how does that relate – in any way..to the clarification – i was seeking..?
and i see you even have a name for them – 'bad faith arguments'..
have you acronymed that yet..?
I can't do anything about your comprehension. Enjoy the sun.
so we will just leave your non-answer to sit there and fester ..eh..?
readers can ask themselves why you will/can not answer quite a straightforward query..
you cutting and running..eh..?
i actually think that at heart authoritarians are bullies looking for back-up..
do you think a case can be made for that..?
Come on, Philip, you can't call the cut and run line and retain credibility when you yourself did the same thing only a few of days ago.
Just no point in continuing a discussion with someone who does not understand words like 'censorship'. I trust others to have enough nous to make sense of what is already there.
It is not compulsory to answer questions posed by other commenters, least in OM. You know this and do it yourself, from time to time. Rather than displaying your dissatisfaction with Sacha’s reason for “cutting and running” from you, you may want to consider a different response or just leave it and move on and enjoy your time in the sun at a bach in Raglan. I know what I’d do 😉
of course i understand it is not complusory to answer questions..
(i would also oppose a dictum such as that..)
but in this case it was the first post of the day..
which is often presented by the poster as a discussion topic..
and this is what i responded to..
and i feel i have been unfailingly polite in my queries..
so 'surprise' rather than the 'dissatifaction' you attribute to me is my reaction to the cutting and running of the presenter..
and like i said – readers can make of that what they will..
that's all…no biggie..
and not so much a bach..more a caravan made in masterton in 1957 – even nicer i wd argue..(it has wheels..)
and not in but 'near raglan'..and once again 'even nicer' i wd argue..
mind you – raglan itself is pretty nice – for a town..
I apologise for misreading “a beach near raglan” as “a bach at Raglan”. Very sloppy of me.
Even though a commenter may intend to start a “discussion topic”, and even if they happen to post the “first post of the day”, they may feel it is an exercise in futility to engage with another commenter on that topic for various reasons. A wise thing to do is to politely state the reason(s) and not engage further. Or they may simply ignore the other commenter. All quite civil and freedom of speech does allow to not engage. Take it or leave it, Phil.
re yr 'bad faith arguments'..
cd you plse define/clarify for me what exactly a 'bad faith argument' is..
and perhaps as further clarification/an example – you could apply those definitions to the animal-rights arguments i present(ed)..
and perhaps tell me why you thought you had the grounds to accuse me of 'bad faith' arguing at that time..?
and if an argument is challenging to the listener – as clearly mine were to/for you – do they morph into 'bad faith' arguments..?
and – as explanation – my reasons for opposing such subjective censorship – is because it is so just that – 'subjective'..
and this makes it wide open to abuse/to shutting down issues you don't want discussed/to silencing people you don't 'like'..for whatever tenuous reasons…
and because it is so open to abuse – this is why it must not be countenanced..
and really – the best-ever takedown of authoritarianism has to be cartman..
in his 'respect my authority!' role…
doesn't it..?
Absolutely correct… yet again Phil.
If you don't tow the line we will impeach you or label you Alex Jones they say….
He really didn't, did he?
I find when opposing one using bad faith arguments as you laid out, despite best intentions, it's frequently easier to just show where they are wrong and leave it to the ether. The problems arise when one tries to counter the shifting goalposts that often come when debating a BFA, and as we know from here, come they do… Along with the insults and straw men and because you've written this it must mean you believe this type of foolery.
I like how you have practiced what you preached and not got involved here. A fine example.
Thank you. We all have better things to do.
I can't stand the 'both sides' debate – (usually made by those with privilege imo) – for the reasons stated in the article linked to above
That quote mm is spot on and it happens almost on a daily basis these days.
The best example though has been the 'two sides' theory of Climate Change. There was never two sides. There was the truth and there were the lies. It should not be forgotten that some 10 or so years ago, the liars went so far as to hack into a prominent British scientist's (there might have been more than one) emails and altered figures to make it look like the material contained was faulty and the scientist(s) incompetent.
And for years the gullible and ignorant MSM around the world went along with the two-side theory and must take a large dose of the blame for the delay in forcing the necessary changes required to save life on Earth.
"Altered figures", you say.
Do you have a link for that, Anne? We wouldn't want people to think you were arguing in bad faith in a discussion about "bad faith arguments".
[speaking of bad faith, consider this a warning that if you continue to poke at and bait commenters you’ll get another ban. I can see no reason at all for questioning Anne’s good faith here. By all means ask for more information from her, but taking a potshot at the same time is going to cause problems – weka]
Go find it for yourself [deleted uncalled for insult]. Won't take you long. It was spread all over the international media at the time.
You made the assertion, Anne. Hence, it's not my job to back your claim. My understanding is (on this site) it's yours – i.e. those who make an assertion.
I think Anne might be referring to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy
Moderators often act as Schoolmasters having to break up shit fights about shit 🙁
I can’t see anything in that article that mentions altering of documents. Filtering, sure. But not out and out altering.
think Anne might be misguided on this one.
“Climategate” certainly wasn’t helped by terminology like “hide the decline” and “proxy measurements”
but another example of Russian meddling to keep western eyes away from the massive ecological disaster that is Russia and China.
Citing out of context is an out and out alteration.
While citing discussion out of context may also alter perception it's not altering figures per se.
Oh great! You are bogged down again by pedantic nitpickery and thus missing (again!) the main message of Anne’s comment @ 1.2.1, which was a direct response to marty mars @ 1.2. In fact, you kinda prove their point, which I find most ironic but not too surprising.
Citing out of context is a dishonest manipulation that alters an author's intended syntax.
I concur, Climaction. I didn't see anything in there mentioning the hackers altered the figures.
That is the one. Thanks Incognito. I couldn't recall the details off the top of my head.
Poor little TC. It's gonna take him a long time to absorb all of that material so we can expect not to hear from him for a while. Troubling to think that someone who sold himself as a Green supporter and voter in times past didn't know what I was talking about. 😉
Not at all.
It's not that I didn't get the gist of her comment. It's what you claimed to merely be "pedantic nitpickery" which was the point I was highlighting (albeit indirectly) to Anne. And which weakened the validity of her comment.
While there was altering via context, there was no altering of figures (by the hackers) as Anne claimed. Placing the faith of her argument in question in a discussion about bad faith arguments.
I see, you are doubling down on the nitpickery and questioning the good faith of Anne’s comment. Way to go, champ. Perhaps you may want to re-read the whole thread and then go back up the thread and comment on the gist or have you sunk too deep into death by detail dump.
Of course I'm doubling down. Why wouldn't I be? It was the point I was making. And the reason I posted it. Anne stating they altered figures brought the good faith of her comment into question.
[Because you had been warned by weka about questioning Anne’s good faith here. By doubling down, you show that you, in fact, are acting in bad faith. In addition, you have made zero useful contribution today in any thread on this site and your dull drudgery is getting tedious. Take the rest of the day off – Incognito]
See my Moderation note @ 2:48 PM.
Oh, so it was some of the wording that was altered not the figures. Same result. The documents were mischievously changed to make it look like the scientists were incompetent.
I may not have recalled the details exactly but I do remember the CC deniers vociferously accusing the scientists of misinformation.
Unfortunately the media were remiss in giving the outcome of the several inquiries by British, European and American agencies the same level of prominence as the original accusations which, in itself, was an example of irresponsible media coverage.
Thanks TC for affording my and Marty Mar's commentaries the prominence they would not otherwise have received.
And here is a quote from the text supplied by Incognito @ 1217pm to back up my claims:
mod note for you TC.
Typical ‘bad faith’ activity, much like National's persistent Dirty Politics tactics.
Misrepresentation is another bad faith activity – for example, someone asserting they are “more left than most“, while only referring to Prime Minister Ardern on a first name basis
Now now kids! Go to your corners. And for homework, you're expected to determine what sort of polygon you all belong to. I want it on my desk first thing in the morning!
(We've got the inspector coming and our funding depends on it)
Erdogan's on his way to committing a war crime.
– Fourth Geneva Covention.
https://twitter.com/OARichardEngel/status/1182953806277021697
ISTANBUL (Reuters) – As Turkish troops finalize plans to attack northeast Syria, Ankara’s scheme to move millions of refugees into conquered territory there is alarming some Western allies as much as the military operation itself.
Addressing world leaders at the United Nations two weeks ago, President Tayyip Erdogan held up a map of the region setting out ambitious proposals to build dozens of new villages and towns to settle Syrian refugees.
His map showed that 1 million Syrians would be housed in the northeast, but Erdogan told the U.N. General Assembly that even more – up to 2 million – refugees could settle there once Turkish soldiers take control.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-security-turkey-refugees-graphi/turkeys-plan-to-settle-refugees-in-northeast-syria-alarms-allies-idUSKBN1WN28J
Turkish-backed Arab militias are executing Kurds.
https://twitter.com/RojavaIC/status/1182980590074843136
https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2019/10/12/kurdish-party-leader-killed-in-turkish-ambush-in-syria
Reports that Hevrin Khalaf was stopped in her armoured SUV by Turkish-backed mercenary factions, her driver executed, and she was either stoned to death or shot and then stoned.
disgusting bastards
David Graeber on Rojava as "..one of the most exciting political developments … since the anarchists in Spain in the 1930's. Makes the case that the Kurds in Syria do not have any intention to create, or even a concept of, a single Kurdish state across Syria and Turkey. Instead, Erdogan is an authoritarian who fears political contamination of his domestic Kurdish population by such deeply democratic ideas. Also says that although the origins of IS/ISIS are murky, it is likely a creation of the Turkish secret police and various Gulf States. From Novara Media a few days ago.
Gosh that's alarming. And the comments were interesting. I thought this one made a point that can be seen as resulting in continuing fighting and killing.
palim palim 3 days ago I think the problem we will face in the future will be eco-fascism. The right won't be able to ignore climate change anymore so they gonna "protect the moderate climate zones from refugees" or something like that.
The fucker greenlighted Erdogan. The US had advance knowledge that Turkey was going to invade and bailed on the Kurds.
Today, President Donald J. Trump spoke with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey by telephone. Turkey will soon be moving forward with its long-planned operation into Northern Syria. The United States Armed Forces will not support or be involved in the operation, and United States forces, having defeated the ISIS territorial “Caliphate,” will no longer be in the immediate area.
The United States Government has pressed France, Germany, and other European nations, from which many captured ISIS fighters came, to take them back, but they did not want them and refused. The United States will not hold them for what could be many years and great cost to the United States taxpayer. Turkey will now be responsible for all ISIS fighters in the area captured over the past two years in the wake of the defeat of the territorial “Caliphate” by the United States.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-press-secretary-85/
We have a fugitive on the run from the FBI somewhere in NZ – how exciting! Someone knows where he is…
Michael Pratt is a Kiwi who ran the GirlsDoPorn site and sounds like scum who has issues with mummy. Pic in link although he may have shaved.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12275965
Ex assistant has testified
A right charmer.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7555739/Whistleblower-testifies-against-owner-Girls-Porn-lawsuit.html
I think that NZr dyes his hair – he is black in that photo but he could go light to escape notice.
It made me think of a previous male kiwi who made money from spying on females. Kiwi men have wide talents and I think some of them excel in devious sexual behaviour reflecting the lingering Victorian approach in our culture. This one spied on Princess Diana as she worked out at the gym where she was a member.
1993 – The gym rat:
New Zealand squash was proud of Bryce Taylor, leading junior then long-time coach of Susan Devoy. Then Taylor installed secret cameras in a gym in London to take secret photos of Princess Diana working out. He sold the pics to the Mirror group for hundreds of thousands of pounds. Legal action followed, not surprisingly. Taylor was reviled and became known as the gym rat. http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/10242790/Romanos-NZs-sporting-history-sorry-moments
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/9/newsid_2515000/2515739.stm
A Bryce Taylor sold images to gettypictures. They included sports shots and people in general and images of celebrities, bodies and activities are probably quite lucrative as a commercial venture.
Princess Diana however developed a cunning ploy to merge with the background and spoil the male and money stimulating images.
Princess Diana: The hidden message in her gym gear 3/7/2019 https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12246109
Classy Di.
I worry that inappropriate filming isn't taken seriously enough in NZ. We still have people filmed after accidents for example, and then there's the case of the GP who filmed his colleagues but can still practice as a doctor.
Life as a female is hard enough without having to be concerned that you might have been filmed during a smear test.
While Jacinda was away at the UN, a petition (see link below) was delivered to her office.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/115998910/calls-for-urgent-changes-to-broken-welfare-system
Did Jacinda comment on this petition on her return?
Is she even aware of it?
Will she or did she give any indication on delivering on the hope she will provide some leadership on this?
One of the main concerns in this petition is the definition of a relationship, potentially putting people in the position of being trapped in an abusive relationship.
Please report back when you have found the answers to your three questions. In the meantime, feel free to debate the issue.
Wasn't having any luck elsewhere, hence I asked here.
Nevertheless, here's a little more insight.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/393609/welfare-system-needs-to-change-how-it-defines-relationships-report
Have you tried your extensive network of people you know? Have you asked the PM? Have you asked Georgie Craw? Are you seriously expecting to find the answers to your three questions on this site when you did not have “any luck elsewhere”?
A link providing “insight” is a great way to start a genuine debate IMHO.
Indeed. There is a large and somewhat informed community here that may be able to provide these answers.
Unfortunately, the petition was taken to Jacinda when she was out of the country, seemingly (as the media spotlight has seemed to moved on) allowing her to escape having to comment.
Re the further insight, the more info one has on an issue the better one can discuss and debate the issue.
As for the issue itself, I don't have a problem with it being urgently addressed. Do you?
Again, you severely damage any credibility you may have. Even to insinuate that the PM’s trip to the UN was an attempt (?) to be away when the petition was delivered to her office shows a kind of thinking that has little bearing in reality.
I have already told you to feel free to debate the issue so why do you ask me?
I wasn't insinuating that at all.
I was making a point (albeit indirectly) that the petition delivery was badly timed. And as a consequence of that, it seems Jacinda escaped having to comment.
I was asking you so as to ascertain your position on the matter to see if there was anything there we disagreed upon, thus perhaps providing a point of debate.
Right, the timing of delivery of the petition had nothing to do with the PM and her trip to the UN. It was merely convenient for the PM that she was away at the time, was it, so that she could escape having to comment? Your bias has nothing to do with the way you paint a picture and how you formulate and phrase your comments, has it?
If an issue is important enough that you feel it needs to be addressed urgently you have “a large and somewhat informed community here” at your beg and call to start a debate with. So, debate away. We are waiting with bated breath.
So, after all your Morris dancing on a pinhead, you do not want to debate this topic! Your credibility as a genuine good faith commenter has taken another major self-inflicted hit.
My apologies to all of you who cannot read comments that go straight into Trash in the back-end.
Thanks for clarifying. Did wonder if there was more going on than we could see.
You did not miss anything until after I gave him the rest of the day off around 3:00 PM and one comment from TC @ 3:13 PM went straight into Trash. That particular comment clearly showed that it all been an enormous waste of time 🙁
Yes, thanks Incognito. I have given up pointing out how often concern troll TC keeps blowing his own cover. You nailed this one nicely. Most would give up, but TC seems strangely determined to persist.
I can tell you that some moderators are not enamoured with his behaviour and if he’s not willing to change his ways here he’ll lose his commenting privilege.
Fun watching this mob turn on each other.
https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1182982522709446656
Brexit continuing…
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/12/support-grows-for-new-brexit-poll-amid-fears-pm-plan
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/hopes-rise-eu-agrees-boost-brexit-talks-191012061340965.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-50030001
Northern Ireland must stay in a "full UK customs union" after Brexit, the Democratic Unionist Party's (DUP) deputy leader Nigel Dodds has said….
Mr Dodds said: "There is a lot of stuff coming from Brussels, pushed by the Europeans in the last hours. "One thing is sure – Northern Ireland must remain fully part of the UK customs union and Boris Johnson knows it very well," he told the Italian newspaper La Repubblica.
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Is Boris Johnson about to snatch Brexit victory from the jaws of defeat? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt6GdgladVk
Anyone know the deal with the ECan results. According to stuff, there is a shitload of greenies on there, but Im not taking their word for it?
Here is a article from Stuff.co and from the sound of it, a young and progressive ECAN after the last 9yrs of BS! I hope they give the members of “The No Mates Party” and their lackeys a two finger salute.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-body-elections/116510981/new-canterbury-regional-council-younger-greener-gender-balanced
Yeah I saw that, but wasnt too sure if the truth was being tweaked or not.
Erdogan's making friends and influencing people.
France and Cyprus are conducting naval maneuvers off Cyprus as the east Mediterranean island nation is embroiled in a tense dispute with Turkey over offshore gas drilling.
Two French frigates heading to Syria plan to take part in "routine" exercises in Cypriot waters this weekend, a French military spokesman, Col. Frederic Barbry, said Saturday.
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The maneuvers come as a Turkish drill ship, which is escorted by warships, is poised to start drilling inside waters where Cyprus has licensed French energy company Total and Italian partner Eni to explore for gas.
Another warship-escorted Turkish drill ship began drilling in Cyprus' exclusive economic zone in June. The European Union and other countries have condemned Turkey's gas search inside Cypriot waters as illegal.
https://www.france24.com/en/20191012-france-joins-cyprus-for-naval-manoeuvres-amid-turkey-gas-dispute?ref=tw_i
Is USA intransigence and Make USA great again having an affect on Turkey's right wing leader? Does he scent an uprising of the previous greatness of Turkey before it got cut to size? Are we going to have everyplace realise how globalism can limit or advance them, and choosing to advance, expand, shoulder others out of the way.? No more Mr Nice Guy stuff.
Erdogan fancies himself as a neo-ottoman, a later-day Sultan mandated to expand Turkey and rebuild the Empire. The west's readiness to sit on it's hands and watch a bloody civil war rage in Syria and the power he has as gate keeper with yay or nay over the movement of refugees into Western Europe has emboldened him.
His recent ability to manipulate tRump is the icing on the cake.
He's gone large and thrown down the glove, stop me if you dare!
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/06/22/erdogan-is-making-the-ottoman-empire-great-again/
Sanders represents a movement that will live on after him – whether he wins or loses. According to Michael Brooks – one of the best and most historically conscious commentators around.
Latest Newshub Reid Research Poll:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/jacinda-ardern-labour-take-massive-tumble-in-new-newshub-reid-research-poll.html
Maybe the woeful handling of the Labour sexual harassment claims were a significant factor in Labour's plunge. In saying that, sections of the media were equally as woeful in their reporting of the claims and one of the worst culprits was Newshub. Facts were misrepresented or left out altogether leaving a distorted impression of what we actually came to know seems to have happened. They will hopefully be confirmed by the Inquiry.
I think its time for the Labour Party to stand up and call out those media commentators responsible. They are currently letting them get away with political murder.
So in spite of Newshub’s (and the Herald’s) dramatic headlines the poll shows the same electoral outcome that polls have been suggesting for well over a year now? Namely that Labour plus the Greens have enough support to form majority government without NZFirst.
It will be spun as a marked trend downwards for Labour though ScottGN. The sort of angle that over time voters will believe.
I agree with this extract from Martyn Bradbury's summing up:
The woeful handling was down to some members of the Labour Party hierarchy and had nothing to do with Jacinda Ardern. That was a mischievous beat-up by the media.
It's a big wake-up call for Labour. This is the sort of media assassination they can expect to see next year.
I agree completely Anne. It’s worrisome that Labour doesn’t seem to have figured out a strategy to deal with what is, essentially, a hostile media. Also the party needs to get its shit together. Relying on Jacinda and her popularity to get them out of trouble that they don’t seem able to anticipate is not going to work long term. Her personal brand and credibility are political commodities that need to be treasured not wasted on every party crisis that comes along. It’s inconceivable that National would have put Key in the position that Labour put Ardern in over the sex assault scandal, they knew only too well that he was their ticket to government .
So in spite of Newshub’s (and the Herald’s) dramatic headlines the poll shows the same electoral outcome that polls have been suggesting for well over a year now?
Yep. Not that you'd guess that from Newshub's reporting. Oh no, with disastrous setbacks like polls showing Labour and the Greens could govern alone, however will the government win a second term?
So, this poll bump is not due to Chris Luxon’s shock announcement that he’s seeking party nomination to stand in Botany? Oh well, it looks like we keep the same Government in 2020 anyway.
Not really Incognito. Bradbury's article on the Daily Blog is worth a read. I agree with most of it. He points out the Greens should have picked up more of that 9.2% Labour loss and I have to agree. Politics is about more than just niceness and kindness. Both parties need to stand up more to the aggression coming from both the Nats and the ‘gotcha’ media hoons.
Most of the poll would have been conducted before the Luxon announcement.
My apologies to you, Anne, I was kidding about Luxon.
Anyway, I read Bradbury’s post upon your recommendation and came away slightly disappointed. He did not mention the other June poll, which is/was much more in line with the poll released tonight. Have a look at Micky’s post on the two June polls: https://thestandard.org.nz/two-polls-out-tonight/
If you're referring to the TVNZ Colmar Brunton yes it is closer to tonight's poll but I don't see the relevance. It was four months ago under different circumstances.
Yes I'm easily suckable. Include an emoticon in future. 😉
Where is everybody tonight? Polls usually bring them out of the woodwork.
First a confession: I don’t like talking (too) much about polls.
I think it is relevant because two polls came out around the same time, about four months ago, and they were at odds with each other and with previous polls. One of these polls is now used by some (…) as the benchmark against which to compare today’s poll. The other one is completely ignored!?
It shouldn’t matter which company conducts the poll because they all claim to be objective and method-neutral, i.e. they claim to give an accurate snapshot. If, however, a certain media story is causing these big swings then polls become largely meaningless in predicting the outcome of an election that is most likely a year away.
What polls might show is party vulnerability and what’s currently cooking in the voter-eligible population. So, they might be good for setting party strategy.
I would not read too much into those polls; they all are as good as each other.
Some of the poll aficionados here might correct me on my wayward thinking.
I’ve banned them all for the day 😉
That it explains it. Good idea to shut em up every once in a while. 🙂
Pretty hope-full there Anne. When polls come out before enquirieis launched months ago, the damage has been done. Not by the media either.
but keep blaming them, instead of getting them on side
You seem to have missed that Anne was suggesting “the woeful handling of the Labour sexual harassment claims were a significant factor in Labour's plunge”. But maybe it didn’t suit your snarky comment.
How do you suggest “getting them on side” and how does this differ from what Anne was saying?
5G halted in Devonshire! Good to see skeptical thinking is gradually winning over entertainment.
https://www.collective-evolution.com/2019/10/09/health-devonshire-uk-halts-the-installation-of-5g-over-serious-health-concerns/
True that.
Still time to sign the petition https://www.toko.org.nz/petitions/precautionary-principle-for-5g-in-aotearoa-1
*sigh*
Just in case there's new readers that weren't around for previous go-arounds on the topic of 5G safety, here's a piece that takes a brief look at the extensive testing that has already been done and explains why the evidence and what we know of physics points to there being no danger from deploying 5g.
https://www.androidauthority.com/5g-dangers-895776/
People may have heard mutterings about 5G messing up weather forecasts. The US is the only country apparently planning to use a frequency band near 20GHz for 5G. There's a frequency very close to 20 GHz that weather satellites use to measure water vapour in the upper atmosphere, so there's a concern terrestrial emissions near 20GHz will mess up the measurements. But if that happens, it will only be a local problem in the US.
A quote comes to mind "First they came…"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_…
So that will only affect US. What will only affect us? There will be something that will sooner or later. And then we will hear of numbers of affects from across the world.
What will only affect us? There will be something that will sooner or later.
The sky might fall on our heads?
5G, is just another set of radio frequencies. In the range that has been used with no evidence of general harm, for over a century.
If you are really worried about RF, perhaps you should cut off the power to your house. House wiring is a more proximate, and much more powerful source of radio frequency radiation.
President Warren does sound rather nice.
https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1183079555709505537
Downward mobility – a datum that might prove a good measure of actual government performance.
"Mark Carney also told the Guardian it was possible that the global transition needed to tackle the climate crisis could result in an abrupt financial collapse. He said the longer action to reverse emissions was delayed, the more the risk of collapse would grow."
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/13/firms-ignoring-climate-crisis-bankrupt-mark-carney-bank-england-governor
Collapse would appear to have become a mainstream proposition