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Open mike 19/05/2020

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  1. ObserverTokoroa 1

    Where have all the Flowers gone ?

    At the end of last year -1919 – Tourism was rolling in massive money. Indeed the word Billion$ was being bandied around. It was deemed New Zealand's biggest Asset !

    Just two short months later – year 2020 – there was not a penny to be found in the Tourism biscuit tin.

    All I want to know is where did that massive money go in 1919 ?

    And why is the Tourism coterie trying to Crush a decent man – Kelvin Davis ?

    Is he too honest for New Zealand's so called biggest Asset ? Will he dig too deep into the 1919 jar ? dragging
    Lisa Owen silently along full of her abuse.

  2. Cinny 2

    mark richardson is having a melt down about the poll, hehehehehe.

    • Dennis Frank 2.1

      Did you see Michelle Boag? "Mark, you'd be good!" As a Nat MP, perhaps. I wouldn't go further than that. Being grounded is good, being partisan isn't. Success as a politician comes when you can communicate with most folks easily.

      Toby Manhire made a similar observation to mine (last night): "The most astonishing of all the numbers in last night’s poll wasn’t expressly party-political at all. Echoing the result of Stickybeak surveys for The Spinoff, an extraordinary 91.6% said they believe the government made the right call in putting New Zealand into lockdown for four weeks. That number is the centre of gravity for the rest of the Newshub poll". https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/19-05-2020/simon-bridges-leadership-hangs-by-a-thread-after-mind-blowing-poll/

      That 90% holding up for so many weeks is a sustained political quake. The other poll results were consequences of that huge body of public opinion. That's what the Nats & Mark Richardson are up against. Not Labour.

  3. Dennis Frank 3

    Kate Hawkesby: "we all have Stockholm syndrome. We have fallen in love with our captor." https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12332935

    Declaration of interest: I cite this for the entertainment value. I worked with Kate often enough long ago to develop an easy rapport (never discussed politics).

    • newsense 3.1

      NZ Herald and verbs:

      "National dropped to 30.6 per cent, the Green Party sunk to 5.5 per cent and NZ First slumped to 2.7 per cent."

      Can you spot the party which is in government, the one which is a margin of error from government and the one which is at historic lows?

      • Dennis Frank 3.1.1

        Arguable. Herald verbiage is to be expected. Someone who thinks National is at historic lows is ignoring the English wipeout due to Bolger/Shipley loathing, 2002.

        I'd go for Greens within margin of error of govt – but only due to Jacinda's thinking (collaboration, any other Labour leader too stupid with the possible exception of Parker).

        • Incognito 3.1.1.1

          And Andrew Little.

          • Dennis Frank 3.1.1.1.1

            Fair enough, given his surprise transcendence into big-picture thinking three years back – and good collaboration with NZF/Greens in referendum design.

        • Bearded Git 3.1.1.2

          No Dennis this is not something to be airily waved away.

          It should have been "National plummeted to 30.6, the Greens were steady on 5.5 while NZF look to be struggling to get 5 per cent".

          The Herald should report the facts.

        • Tricledrown 3.1.1.3

          Dennis Frank in combination with Michelle Boags massive f/up of not realizing the list vote counts

    • bwaghorn 3.2

      I'm picking she knows abit about Stockholm syndrome being tangled up with a road like hosking ,but shes got this one wrong.

    • Treetop 3.3

      Next Hawkesby will be saying we all have another mental health diagnosis. She needs to be pulled up on using the term Stockholm syndrome.

      She needed to express her own anxiety, the National Party are in the shit and how she feels about having to stomach a Labour Government for another 3 years. I did read the link as painful as it was.

    • Gabby 3.4

      Is she unable to escape the neocon Horeskin Den? What an horrible predickament.

    • Tricledrown 3.5

      Hawkesby is a victim of the Stockholm syndrome her and Hosking saying looking at how Sweden is dealing with covid is not damaging their economy.

  4. newsense 4

    Also from Hosking- Boris and Trump are popular. Not keeping up with current polls then. He cites a lot of numbers, but none for those two.

  5. RedLogix 5

    Quite a few stories like this keep popping up:

    Professor Garner is just one of thousands discovering how tiring COVID-19 can be.

    Scientists are still uncovering the deadly secrets of the virus and the long-term impact for those who recover from the disease is yet to be fully understood.

    In serious cases there are concerns about major organ damage.

    The World Health Organisation states those with less severe cases of COVID-19 should recover within two weeks, and serious cases could take up to six weeks.

    But even patients with what are considered mild bouts of the virus, are experiencing fatigue and breathlessness well beyond the suggested recovery period.

    On a much brighter note NZ had another all zero day with only 45 active cases left. As a country we should take exceptional pride in getting this far collectively. If we can do this, we can face the challenges ahead.

  6. greywarshark 6

    After the Dunedin chocolate factory went wonkers, they didn't give up and looked for viable alternatives. Hail OCHO. Coping with Covid-19 and giving it whatever it takes.

    https://ocho.co.nz/pages/chocolatetour (Tours are off luv just now, but on-line biz is going full tilt.)

    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/new-chocolate-factory-opens-in-dunedin-one-year-after-cadbury-closes-its-doors

    Huh to all foreign owners playing us like dice in a bored game. https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/112529623/cadburys-owner-mondelez-sees-nz-business-shrink-29-per-cent

    • RedLogix 6.1

      The two Whittaker brothers in Porirua ate their lunch.

      I commissioned an imported moulding machine for them back in the 90's and it was a lot of fun working for Andrew and Brian. Two quite different characters who have worked to each other's strengths to take a small multi-generational family business to a true kiwi success story.

      Actually in that small area around the back of Porirua there were quite a few strong kiwi manufacturing stories. Tough little survivors of the neo-liberal onslaught.

      • Ad 6.1.1

        I'm sure Cadbury's still has it's place in Pak n Save, but Whittakers is trouncing Cadbury's most elsewhere. Good to see your part in it.

  7. bill 7

    ~sigh~

  8. AB 8

    Kemrin Begrie – the perpetual truculent adolescent – now on the Epidemic Response Committee calling for asset sales to pay for the larger government deficit due to COVID-19. The amount of cover the deficit will give some future National government to re-implement the neolib playbook is frightening. In truth as Mark Blyth says, we shouldn't 'sweat the deficit' – but the false comparison to household budgets still has hold of the public mind. Grant Robertson will need to be very smart in his defusing of this danger.

    • roblogic 8.1

      Asset sales are a huge vote loser. He should campaign for National

      • gsays 8.1.1

        I'm sure you recall them campaigning on selling their asses and winning an election on said promise.

        Power company shares anyone?

  9. joe90 9

    A helping hand and history will repeat.

    Cellphone location data suggests that demonstrators at anti-lockdown protests – some of which have been connected with Covid-19 cases – are often traveling hundreds of miles to events, returning to all parts of their states, and even crossing into neighboring ones.

    The data, provided to the Guardian by the progressive campaign group the Committee to Protect Medicare, raises the prospect that the protests will play a role in spreading the coronavirus epidemic to areas which have, so far, experienced relatively few infections.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/18/lockdown-protests-spread-coronavirus-cellphone-data

  10. joe90 10

    tRump's war on facts has a new name.

    President Donald Trump’s re-election campaign announced Monday a new “investigative” website that prioritizes “truth over facts.” The site, in fact, is called TheTruthOverFacts.com.

    https://www.thewrap.com/trump-biden-truth-over-facts-website/

  11. Gosman 11

    Is there a reason my comments are not appearing? Have I been put on a ban for some reason?

    [No the machine put you into auto moderation for some reason. Now letting you through – MS]

    • Muttonbird 11.1

      Quality filter.

    • weka 11.2

      Actually you are in premod, not the ban list. My note there says troll watch. I'll let you out, but you do seem to be popping up on my radar a bit. Sometimes you bring good debate to the table, other times it just looks like poking at the lefties /shrug.

    • Incognito 11.3

      Because a Moderator had put you in Pre-Moderation and on troll-watch.

      You are still in Pre-Moderation until that Moderator decides you’re behaving yourself.

    • Kevin 11.4

      The algorithm knows you well Gossy.

  12. Cinny 12

    I heard today that there will be another poll released at the end of the week via TVNZ. Has anyone else heard the same please?

  13. My goodness, Ashley Bloomfield is good!

    Asked a 'gotcha' question in the presser – "Use one word to describe Jacinda Ardern," obviously designed to elicit 'political bias,' he paused a moment, then answered, "Can I use two! Prime Minister."

  14. McFlock 14

    So despite the scaremongering, hopes, and even wagers by some tories, Level 4 did not see an increase in suicides – actually the reverse is true.

    The coming depression/recession will be tough, but we can do without the political scaremongering.

    • weka 14.1

      may or may not be statistically significant. Good to know there wasn't an obvious spike during lock down though.

      • McFlock 14.1.1

        That's the main thing. There were a couple of folks I was worried about

    • Gabby 14.2

      The alarmists will no doubt be asked to justify their nonsense now.

  15. AB 15

    This is important for a couple of reasons – suicide rate went down slightly under L4 lockdown rather than up.

    First it reveals the right's preparedness to make stuff up in order to justify their "cure is worse than the disease" message. More importantly, it suggests that a sense of common purpose, collective responsibility, mutual aid and kindness is good for mental health. Much better than being an isolated individual locked in mortal economic competition with everyone else. The danger of course – is that as we go back to that alienating sh*tshow called 'the economy', especially in a deep recession, it will all get worse again.

    Edit: Snap to McFlock above at 14.

    • weka 15.1

      will be very interesting if someone does some research on this. I'm not going to be surprised if there are more suicides in places like the US. Ardern's leadership around framing and messaging has served us well in helping build the sense of we're all in this together despite the stress.

      • mac1 15.1.1

        Life expectancy in the US went up during the Great Depression! Something to do with purpose, diet and a disease prevention discovery.

        • francesca 15.1.1.1

          And I wouldnt mind betting increased solidarity and an "all-in-it-together" mentality

          Inequities tend to promote self esteem issues and bad mental health outcomes

          My mother had lots of stories of how people helped each other during those depression years, even when they had very little themselves

    • Adrian 15.2

      Í'm pleased to hear it went down and as I recall I thought/hoped on these pages a couple of months ago that that would be the case as the same trend happened in the Second World War and in other times of threat. Sometimes things are just a bit bigger than your own problems.

      I also thought that NZs population would go up slightly if we got the lockdown done effectively, less road deaths , work fatalities, murders and other all-round stupidities would leave more Kiwis alive at the end than at the start.

      What I didn't factor in was 250,000 ( was it? ) coming home in a hurry. Welcome back.

      • McFlock 15.2.1

        I wouldn't be surprised if there's a wee population bump in nine months, either. L4 was boring… 😉

  16. Herodotus 16

    our missing health minister appears about 1:30 into this, just as well this will get no coverage, and does the Hon. D.Clark read what he said FFS look after the disadvantaged

    perhaps after the recent polling success we could extend the strength of our triumvirate within the Labour Party and that they could seek out some achievers and not allow some desk warmers to bask in the success of our PM

    https://m.facebook.com/WHO/videos/565543234382636/?v=565543234382636

    • Ad 16.1

      He's toast in September: won't even get in Cabinet again.

    • Craig H 16.2

      The new batch in 2017 were very strong, they will make a great cabinet (touch wood) in October.

  17. RedLogix 17

    Big boys playing big boy games.

    China has slammed claims it backed down and Australia had a victory over the probe into COVID-19 as a “joke”.

    In the latest diplomatic war of words between the two nations, the Chinese embassy has lashed out at claims it has backed down over the investigation under international pressure.

    “The draft resolution on COVID-19 to be adopted by the World Health Assembly (WHA) is totally different from Australia’s proposal of an independent review,” a spokesman said.

    Again the CCP blatantly acting to piss as many nations off as possible. And also openly admitting that the investigation they have committed to is totally different from Australia’s proposal of an independent review.

    The fix is in.

  18. joe90 18

    Probably.

    CAMBRIDGE, Mass.–(BUSINESS WIRE)–May 18, 2020– Moderna, Inc. (Nasdaq: MRNA), a clinical stage biotechnology company pioneering messenger RNA (mRNA) therapeutics and vaccines to create a new generation of transformative medicines for patients, today announced that it has commenced an underwritten public offering of $1.25 billion in shares of common stock. In addition, Moderna expects to grant the underwriters a 30-day option to purchase up to an additional $187.5 million in shares of common stock in connection with the public offering. All shares of common stock will be offered by Moderna.

    https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-announces-proposed-public-offering-shares-common-stock-0/

  19. Muttonbird 19

    Hawkesby thinks we all have Stockholm Syndrome.

    Honestly, how patronising can a person be? She probably tanked National and Bridges' another 2-3% with this idiot column.

    Good times.

  20. Cinny 20

    Dang! Newshub asked voters for one word to describe Jacinda and simon, they then formed those words into word clouds. The bigger the font the more often the word was said.

    What a great idea, using word clouds in polls to show the public's perception, awesome.

    Will post a link when it comes up 🙂

  21. Air NZ being difficult with refunds – according to Checkpoint.

    Luxon's legacy!

  22. joe90 22

    Ouch..

    • ScottGN 22.1

      She’s the Washington Post’s Asia correspondent too. What passes for journalism at the Herald must be a terrible shock for her.

    • Dennis Frank 23.1

      Hot Toddy! Actually, as someone who always had an extremely hostile attitude to Bolger, I thought he came across well. Balanced, sensible, seems to have mellowed with age. Wouldn't surprise me if his advice turns out to be more influential than Key's.

      • Craig H 23.1.1

        I listened to his interview on the 9th floor, and he has really had a few changes of mind since he was PM, would probably fit in the centre left of current NZ economic orthodoxy, but is obviously tribal National.

  23. Pat 25

    "In the past the MoW took the positive planning approach to making New Zealand. In partnership with elected representatives they identified projects that would advance the development of the country. The MoW had their own economists who could evaluate and determine how nation-building projects might fit into wider considerations, such as, the economic cycle. The Ministry was at odds with a neo-liberal Treasury, as it could hold its own in economic debates. Given this fight for political-economic attention it is not surprising the MoW was dis-established."

    https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/105080/brendon-harre-sees-ministry-works-template-how-we-should-develop-our-national

    • McFlock 25.1

      Many government departments had their own economists prior to lab4. Then Treasury said there was an inefficient duplication of roles.

      Then Treasury became pretty much the sole source of government economic advice. A monopoly, one might say…

  24. Eco Maori 26

    Kia Ora The Am Show.

    There is some positive news the worlds carbon footprint shrinks

    That's is cool the virus contact tracking AP.

    Buying New Zealand made that the way.

    That's a great way to raise funds for water shortage solution for South Africa auctioning a famous painters painting.

    Ruby will have a good future as a reporter.

    I say that Our government has the $20 billion backstop money set aside because we don't know the true impact of long the virus effects will last you can't take it back once its spent.

    Ka kite Ano

  25. Eco Maori 27

    Kia Ora Newshub.

    Yes the price of Kai hit the roof during isolation.

    Telcompowder has aspestos in That's not on.

    I don't think that person should be fined for savings the baby whale caught in that shark net.?????.

    Ka kite Ano.

  26. Eco Maori 28

    Kia Ora Te Ao Maori News.

    All Iwi should invest in Whare for their Tangata it will good for the tangata and the Iwi may be sheared ownership models.

    Ka kite Ano.

  27. Eco Maori 29

    Kia Ora The Am Show.

    Looks like a nice day in London Lloyd.

    Its good to respect our elderly people.

    The problem with having wealth business people leading a country is they are to self centered to have a great economy you need to take everyone up there economic ladders not just the wealthy.

    Ka kite Ano.

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