Open mike 27/08/2019

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115 comments on “Open mike 27/08/2019”

  1. Cinny 1

    Good morning 🙂 Check this out…..

    Former trade minister Todd McClay helped arrange $150,000 donation from Chinese racing industry billionaire Lin Lang to National Party

    It's paywalled, but dang…..

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12261215

    • Muttonbird 1.1

      This sort of behaviour by the National Party doesn't surprise anyone here, but at the very least it keeps the issue of high corruption by them in front of the voting public.

      I'm sure there will be more to come between now and the election.

    • Rapunzel 1.2

      And with the paywall the heading leaves a lot to the imagination as to who and when this took place.

  2. reuters are reporting that kfc in america are going to sell plant-based wings/nuggets…

    (this is all gonna happen sooner/faster than many expect..)

    • Robert Guyton 2.1

      Rod Slater doesn't side with you, Phillip. In fact, he's published a counter to all you believe smiley

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/opinion/115278957/role-of-red-meat-in-a-healthy-diet-is-globally-recognised

      "I'd like to finish with a shout out to the beef and sheep farmers in New Zealand who are quickly criticised, but don't receive the plaudits they deserve.

      This is a group of individuals who have the environment at the heart of what they do, and are farming in a way that is part of the solution. They have reduced their carbon emissions by 30 per cent since 1990 and are on track to being carbon neutral by 2050 – in line with the Paris Agreement.

      This is a group of people who ring-fence soil health, biodiversity, water quality and animal welfare in their commitment towards a better future, and who take almost daily abuse in their stride and continue to do the best they can."

      Rod Slater is CEO of Beef + Lamb New Zealand Inc, Auckland

    • Hooch 2.2

      They’ll have to re-brand as Kentucky Fried Plant Based Food.

    • bwaghorn 2.3

      I would have thought that any vegan would boycott any place that sold meat as well . Because if you think this isnt about more customers rather than selling less chicken you are way thicker than I imagined .

      • phillip ure 2.3.1

        i don't want any of this stuff..

        it isn't for me..i haven't eaten flesh for four decades..don't want/need that..

        it's a form of methadone – for flesh-addicts…

        and i totally agree kfc are just reading what the market wants..

        i don't care how we get there – but less chickens suffering is just fine with me..

        and a further marker on the road to normalisation of what (still) seems to many – impossible..

        it's all good..

        (and i do avoid places where meat is cooking – but i do have to go to the supermarket..)

      • Andre 2.3.2

        It's aimed at people like me. If I'm in the mood for some nasty fast grease, and KFC offer something that's plant-based (or vat-grown) that's of acceptable taste, texture, price and gives me a top-up of stuff like B12 that I usually look to get from the meat I eat, well then I might just go there rather than Booger King.

        • phillip ure 2.3.2.1

          booger king in u.s. are already selling plant-based (beyond meat) burgers..

          so the nz version will be doing it soon enough…

          • phillip ure 2.3.2.1.1

            at the kfc-vegan news..mark richardson got that look in his face like someone has just urinated in his pocket..

            that's always fun to see…

            and garner gets triggered/blusters away – 'cos that's what he does..

            https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2019/08/kfc-trialling-vegan-beyond-fried-chicken-triggering-meat-fans.html

            • The Al1en 2.3.2.1.1.1

              Loathe to agree with the biggest tool on the block, but he's correct on this. If you want the fried chicken, just eat the clucking chicken.

              • i have this mental picture of you – a few yrs from now..

                sitting in yr electric car/whatever – eating yr plant-based chicken nugget..

                and luvin' it…

                • The Al1en

                  No doubt here that whatever you picture is mental.

                  Electric car I can do, especially if it's a replacement power train for my mk1 MX-5, but fake food when there's no reason not to eat the real thing, that's just stupid.

                  I’d be more impressed if kfc went organic and free range. As it is I use a local butcher who sources local produce for the meat I don’t kill myself. I only ever use a supermarket for mince as eyelids, lips and gonads all taste the same in a cottage pie.

                  • weka

                    "I’d be more impressed if kfc went organic and free range."

                    I'd be extremely impressed. Fake chicken at KFC is probably a good move, given how appalling badly hens are treated. People eating KFC aren't there for the healthy food, but I think the chicken welfare argument is compelling (unlike with something like NZ lamb).

                    Still not convinced on the enviro or CC aspect.

                    • The Al1en

                      For meat eaters, I reckon free range and organic are the way forward through climate change. Local, well reared stock, besides being more flavoursome will, with reduced costs and chemical use, have a meaningful impact on damage to the environment. Win win.

                      My local pak n save only sells free range eggs. A buck more expensive than new world's cage equivalent. There was no customer survey, the decision was just imposed on the consumer. I'm happy to buy them and cut costs elsewhere in a weekly shop. For the saving, I'll buy the cheapest bog roll instead of the luxury brands instead.

                    • weka []

                      very cool of Pak n Save to do that. I’m pretty sceptical of free range labelling so I hope they’ve done due diligence on that, but a good move in the right direction.

                      Local, free range, organic/regenag makes sense to me about meat and probably a lot of dairy. A general rule is those animals will be treated better. Many of us can eat less if we are eating a lot, but many people need animal foods to be healthy.

                  • @ allen..interesting you say you won't kill..

                    ..a week or so ago i saw the results of a survey done in u.s…(don't have link to hand…)

                    ..takeaway from it was that 49% of those surveyed said if they had to kill the animals – they would not eat meat..

                    what are the reasons you won't kill what you eat..?

                    • The Al1en

                      Don't be dopey, dopey, I never said I wouldn't kill an animal to eat it. I've already stated on here a few times how I shoot, skin, gut and eat rabbits. What I said was “I use a local butcher who sources local produce for the meat I don’t kill myself” you know, 'cause farmers don't like you rocking up and shooting their cows, chickens or sheep.

                    • weka []

                      how is your butcher managing that?

                      was just explaining to McFlock the daftness of the current system where a rural farmer has to send the live animals often long distances to be killed, and then the meat can be sent back. We need another class of legislation that allows professional home kill to be sold.

                    • The Al1en

                      My understanding is all his meat comes from local farms. I believed it to be home kill, but if it can't be legally, then it must be via a nearby slaughterhouse. They've been around for years and are known for quality produce and their reputable trading name. The difference between it and supermarket cuts are night and day.

                      Home kill just makes so much sense. Of course there's a need for standards and regs for tracking and safety, and I suspect they will come when the need arises.

                    • The Al1en

                      But with climate change dictating how we live in the future, most work and leisure will probably be local, so with that there will no doubt be a fragmentation of services across the spectrum, devolved to the regional level. Makes sense butchery will be part of that too.

    • Dukeofurl 2.4

      Another opening for GE food like the BK burgers you rave on about

    • McFlock 2.5

      If it gets to decent cuts of meat, is cheaper, better for environment, and (and here is the big bit) is indistinguishable from real meat, I don't give a shit. But that threshold isn't coming anytime soon.

      Nuggets are pureed meat anyway – more like tofu than chicken breast. Dunno how they pretend bone in the meatless "wings", either.

      • gsays 2.5.1

        Rather than pureed, water blasted would be a more accurate description of the preparation of nuggets.

        • phillip ure 2.5.1.1

          sheesh..!..you and mcflock are hardly selling them to me..

          this is what i am (supposedly) missing out on..?

          heh..!

           

          • McFlock 2.5.1.1.1

            Phil, nuggets and cheap sausages should never be recommended to anyone. They are what one buys when one cannot afford actual food.

            • phillip ure 2.5.1.1.1.1

              yeah…the prospect horrifies..

              ..even back when i ate meat – i never ate that crap..

              ..never eaten one of those nuggets that the allen is so enamoured of..

              they look like mush with breadcrumbs on it…

              like baby-food..

              ..and cheap sausages..?…with the fat bubbling out of them..?

              (shudder..!..)

              (d'ya want bacon with that..?..)

               

              • The Al1en

                You're clearly obsessed, PU, that's clear to see. Two posts in two days mentioning me for no reason at all. That's an emotional issue you'll have to deal with, but still.

                never eaten one of those nuggets that the allen is so enamoured of

                How about linking to anything which backs up your claim, or admit you lied. Knowingly making false statements on here is surely frowned upon.

              • McFlock

                Fat's not a problem. I wish the cheapest ones had it. But they're just bland, pointless, flavourless tubes with texture similar to cheese or tofu but a tendency to sit in the stomach like lead fishing wieghts.

                • The Al1en

                  The fat – Where the flavour lives.

                  Had them at Mcdonalds, and yeah, pretty pointless food. The best bit was the sweet and sour dipping sauce. Not a patch on a nice, real bit of breast meat.

  3. A 3

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-26/cash-ban-so-you-pay-the-bank-to-hold-your-money-what-imf-wants/11443646

    Research on what cash bans would do if actually implemented show that they will have no effect on black market economies.  Of course not – criminals get around things, normal people suffer and in this case it would be for having money in the bank.  

    A recent IMF blog entitled “Cashing In: How to Make Negative Interest Rates Work”, explains its motive in wanting negative interest rates — a situation where instead of receiving money on deposits, depositors must pay regularly to keep their money with the bank.

  4. cleangreen 4

    Martyn Bradbury and Mike King both said it right today;

    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/08/26/suicide-rate-hits-all-time-record-high/

    Matryn said stop vilifying males.

    Mike King was very powerful this morning on Newshub also.

    He should get NZ’der of the year award no fear at all bless him.

    Thank you Mike for saying this to NZ on Newhub and Jacinda;

    Quote; “stop the racial – gender profiling now” – as you are doing more harm than you will ever know; unquote.

    • James 4.1

      Edit:-apology for formatting

      stop the racial – gender profiling now – as you are doing more harm than you will ever know

      And yet so many sexist and racist on here are happy to profile on gender and race – if the person is white and male of course.

      [formatting fixed. I think. Let me know if that’s not right. – weka]

      • Muttonbird 4.1.1

        Did you have a go at formatting and screwed up, then edited and screwed up royally, then just gave up because you couldn't get your puny brain around it?

        It's not dyslexia, you're just not very bright.

        [I can’t see anything in your comment other than abuse, and possibly an attempt to start a flame war. Re-read the Policy and pull your head in please – weka]

      • Molly 4.1.2

        I have already posted on TDB, – so I'll just repost my comment here:

        "Perhaps it has something to do with the limited boundaries we place on males, young and old in New Zealand. We still – via social interactions and national media – subscribe to a restricted set of male attributes as being acceptable. Successful at business, sports, drinking and sexual attractiveness is constantly reinforced. While none of these are bad on their own, they ignore other positive aspects of men that contribute to their own and community wellbeing. Writing, dancing, listening, being involved with community and supporting others, probably a larger proportion of men work in other fields and have other interests than that we are constantly shown.

        I’ve never considered the term “toxic masculinity” to refer to males per se, I’ve always considered it to be the idea that limits the expression of masculinity to a certain number of archetypes, leaving men with a very proscribed set of behaviours and values that they are expected to adher to. It is not good for males or females to restrict options in that way.

        The lack of connection and community between all demographics, does not bode well for good health for individuals, families and the wider society."

         

        • Rosemary McDonald 4.1.2.1

          We still – via social interactions and national media –

           Almost impossible in these times to avoid. The world is too much with us…in our faces, in our ears, inveigling its way into our minds…difficult to avoid the madding crowd.

          We have been conditioned to compare ourselves with others, to compete, to measure our achievements against the achievements of others.  Am I acceptable? Am I good enough? Do I measure up? Do I have the requisite number of friends on Faceache? Am I 'Liked'?

           

        • Wensleydale 4.1.2.2

          Observations On How To Be A Man In New Zealand:

          Must like sport – preferably ruggers. Go to games, get half-cut, bellow like an irate elephant seal and generally make a nuisance of yourself. Harass pedestrians with your drunken shenanigans on the walk home. Better yet, drive. Sure, you've had a few, but what sort of man can't operate a motor vehicle after downing a box of Export Gold? Are you a homo or something?

          Must engage in overt displays of "success". Having a flash car is good. Having several is better. Throw money around. Money is the only valid gauge of success. Talk about how much money you have. It's super impressive and women don't find it tedious or off-putting.

          Drink a lot. Getting hammered and vomiting all over yourself is fun and makes you appear incredibly masculine. If you don't drink, you're either a poof or one of those religious weirdos.

          Must remain stoic in the face of even the most traumatic life events. Yeah, your Mum died, but don't cry about it, you big sook.

          Must not discuss feelings. Feelings are for girls and homos. Displays of white-knuckled rage are exempt. Being angry is manly. Crying is not. (If you can't get angry, swearing a lot is an appropriate substitute. Try to use the c-word at least once in every sentence.) If feelings are discussed at all, they must be discussed with other males, at the pub, and only in the most facetious and flippant of terms. Your laughter isn't forced. Really, it's not.

          Lewd comments directed at women are not offensive. They're hilarious and just a bit of harmless 'banter'. Likewise, touching women without their permission. John Key totally got away with it, so if girls don't like it, they're probably militant lesbians who hate men.

          Don't watch rom-coms, read, attend plays or dance. (If you must read, it should be non-fiction and preferably about cars. Or serial killers.) Don't be fruity. Sit in the garage, smear yourself in engine oil and listen to The Rock. Get one of those calenders with boobs on it. Boobs are great.

        • I feel love 4.1.2.3

          Molly, thank you. White male mid 40s here, I've never understood the men that feel under threat whenever someone criticises us, I've accepted it's not bloody personal. I liked your comment very much, thank you. 

          • James 4.1.2.3.1

            its not a criticism- is a sweeping generalisation highlighting the personal views of the poster. 

            I dont take offence because it’s a laughable post. 

            Pity for the poster they must be consistently outraged. 

            • phillip ure 4.1.2.3.1.1

              c'mon..!..that is a fair/close description of many nz men…

              maybe not yr urban luvvies – but outside those enclaves..?

              the above rules…!

    • Rosemary McDonald 4.2

      I'm not a telly-watcher but I just invested 18 minutes to watch that particular segment.  Thank you very much for the link…more than well worth it and yes, King most certainly presented a powerful message.  I did catch the pulling out the earplugs bit during the speech from Our Leader…I do hope she gets over the slight and bleeding well listens.

      From a media critical perspective…very interesting body language from those around the table during the studio discussion with Mike King.  Who is the numpty doing the 'arms tightly folded and leaning away from the table' thing?  The others were clearly well engaged with King on an arguably sensitive topic….

    • SHG 4.3

      Now compare the media and funding profiles of breast cancer and prostate cancer. Guess which one kills the most people?

  5. greywarshark 5

    Why we should resist being all-wired into a wired community.   The idea of having everything in the Cloud comes from people who can make up wonderful songs and images and talk of Cloud 9; people in the theatrical industry and its rich relation Public Relations or PR.    Look at them with distrust, they have a 'virus' that will eventually bring us all to ill health.

    From Scoop:

    Passports And IDs Left Online: Privacy Breach On Tuia 250 Aplications

    The Ministry for Culture and Heritage yesterday revealed it had mistakenly exposed the sensitive details of about 300 mostly young people online…

    Technology commentator Paul Spain said while most of the information was gone from the internet, the question was who had accessed it while it was online.

    "This could be a problem for them for months if not years to come because others are now able to impersonate them and they could do all sorts of things when they [can] pretend to be someone else."

  6. Treaty O'Rome 6

    The Most Rev Justin Welby is in talks with a cross-party group of senior MPs to chair a series of public meetings in which alternatives to leaving the EU without an agreement would be put forward.

    [If you can’t make an effort to type in your user name correctly, I can’t be bothered to approve your comments when they’re held in Auto-Moderation because of that. Final warning – Incognito]

  7. Brigid 7

    Some may find this interesting.

    Americans who choose Russia as their home

    Education is very important, and wide. You wont find a physicist who doesn't know poetry or a psychiatrist who doesn't understand engineering.

    All medical treatment is free for Russians and paid parental leave is three years.

  8. Treaty O’Rome 8

    What do you call the level beyond SURREAL?

    The latest Brexit twist is that the Archbishop of Canterbury is going to lead rage search for a No-No-Deal solution. 

    God bless us.

    “The Most Rev Justin Welby is in talks with a cross-party group of senior MPs to chair a series of public meetings in which alternatives to leaving the EU without an agreement would be put forward.”

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/justin-welby-warned-not-to-interfere-with-brexit-rqd86nrhw

  9. Agora 9

    Twitter Sleuths Uncover Anti-Sanders Conspiracy

    https://www.salon.com/2019/08/26/twitter-sleuths-uncover-an-anti-bernie-conspiracy-infuriating-the-pundit-class/

    Weka, does that make one a Twit ?

    • Agora 9.1

      Startling new poll finds that Joe Biden has rapidly lost support among voters under 50. But yes: Small sample size

      https://www.salon.com/2019/08/26/new-poll-finds-biden-sanders-warren-in-three-way-tie-but-is-it-an-outlier/

    • Dukeofurl 9.2

      Fantasists.  How you can believe anything based on what is 'uncovered'  on Twitter.

      Its US elections , negative stories  come by the truckload,  did you not notice the Clinton ones ? …plus negative stuff about Trump..it came in mountains

      • phillip ure 9.2.1

        twitter is often first – and by a decent margin – on many stories..

        plus you can make twitter how you want it to be – by choosing to follow whom/whatever you choose..

        for news/commentary/humour it is light yrs ahead of faceache (luv that name – gonna nick/use it..)

        yr dismissal is unfounded..

        • phillip ure 9.2.1.1

          (example of twitter-humour..)

          'I like how Jeff Goldblum gets Jeff Goldblummier with every passing year.

          By the time he’s eighty he’ll just be a small cube of highly condensed quirk, gently vibrating and occasionally making cat sounds'

          (now – that is fucken funny..!..).

  10. logie97 10

    Talking of Polls

    Does anyone here know who is responsible for this one …

    https://www.pundit.co.nz/poll-of-polls

    Apparently it is regularly updated.  (last update was 30 May 2017)

  11. swordfish 11

     

    Jacinda Ardern says drop in popularity natural for Government taking on big issues

    Henry Cooke Aug 27 2019

    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says losing some of her popularity is the result of taking on serious challenges in Government.

    Ardern's preferred prime ministerial polling dropped two times in the last two Colmar Brunton/One News Surveys, from 51 per cent in April not long after the terror attack to 41 per cent in July.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/115307809/jacinda-ardern-says-drop-in-popularity-natural-for-government-taking-on-big-issues

     

    Thing is:

    (1) She remains the second most popular PM (after Key & ahead of Clark, Muldoon, Lange, Bolger)

    (2) Both Key & Clark experienced falls in the Preferred PM during their first term

    (though much more so Clark … she fluctuated wildly … plunged from 48% to 35%, then modest revival, then fell again from 38% right down to 30% before another revival. Key higher & steadier,but began to fall after the 13 month mark)

     

    Comparison

    Colmar Brunton: Preferred PM

     

    First 12 Months (in chronological order)

    Clark: 43, 48, 46, 41, 35, 38, 36, 34. 30, 37 … (range: 30-48) … (average: 38.8)

    Ardern: 37, 41, 37, 41, 40, 42 … … … … … … …(range: 37-42) … (average: 39.7)

    Key: 51, 51, 51, 50, 54 … … … … … … … … … … (range: 50-54) … (average: 51.4)

     

    Month 13-21 (in chronological order)

    Clark: 39, 34, 38, 41, 37, 39, 42, 38 … … … (range: 34-42) … (average: 38.5)

    Ardern: 39, 44, 51, 45, 41 … … … … … … … (range: 39-51) … (average: 44.0)

    Key: 49, 48, 46. 45 … … … … … … … … … … (range: 45-49) … (average: 47.0)

    (Note; Latest Colmar Brunton was at the 21 Month mark)

     

    Clark's average was consistent over those two time periods / Key's average fell 4 points / Ardern's average rose 4 points.

     

    • Robert Guyton 11.1

      You are James' worst enemysmiley
      Ranking alongside of reason, rationality and logic.

    • Sacha 11.2

      In our political system, 'preferred pm' is a meaningless measure. We do not get to vote for them. Even net favourable might shine more light.

      • swordfish 11.2.1

        Yeah, I was responding to arguments made in the Henry Cooke article.

        Wouldn't call Preferred PM "meaningless" … fluctuations indicate movement in popularity of Leader … which is often (not always, but often), in turn, linked to the popularity / electoral fortunes of their Party.

  12. Poission 12

    Raison d'etre for co founder of extinction rebellion.

    A co-founder of the Extinction Rebellion environmental movement has called for a mass ingestion of psychedelic substances in protest against the criminalisation of drugs….

    “The causes of the crisis are political, economic, legal and cultural systemic issues but underneath that are issues of human trauma, powerlessness, scarcity and separation. The system resides within us and the psychedelic medicines are opportunities to help us shift our consciousness,” she told the conference.

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2213787-extinction-rebellion-founder-calls-for-mass-psychedelic-disobedience/

     

    Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2213787-extinction-rebellion-founder-calls-for-mass-psychedelic-disobedience/#ixzz5xla9m1nO

    • Robert Guyton 12.1

      Really, Poission?

      "Bradbrook, a former biophysicist, said it was not Extinction Rebellion’s policy to promote the use of drugs, but they had played a role in her personal journey towards founding the movement."

      She also said,

      "I would support a mass civil disobedience… "

      The co-founder of Extinction Rebellion has not "called for a mass ingestion of psychedelic substances… "

      My bold for clarity.

    • joe90 12.2

      Turn on, tune in, drop out!

      • Poission 12.2.1

        Dinosaur.

        • phillip ure 12.2.1.1

          you haven't had a rip-snorter/w.t.f. acid-blowout..?..there..poisson..?

          (you haven't lived 'till you have seen a melting mountain – and the like – with yr own two eyes..eh..?..)

          maybe it's not for you – but i would recommend a decent dose of mdma for ya/everyone….

          ..helps make people more civilised – i have found..

          helps them take care of their garbage..

          and everyone has garbage they are hauling around – eh poisson..?

      • phillip ure 12.2.2

        done – done – and done…

        • joe90 12.2.2.1

          – and done…and then I realised that I had to make a living..

           

          • phillip ure 12.2.2.1.1

            i have had issues with wee dr tim – ever since he gave evidence against a bunch of people to save his own arse..

            they went to jail for a long time (for dealing acid..) – dr tim walked away..

            and i walked away from dr tim…

            i think the common term for such a person – is a 'rat'…

    • weka 13.1

      Or has had enough 

    • alwyn 13.2

      She has seen the writing on the wall.

      She has no chance of getting another go at being in Cabinet this term and she can see, as all but the most one-eyed Government supporters can, that the result of the next election is going to see National with more seats than Labour and with both NZF and the Greens gone from the House.

      She really cannot face the thought of another nine years in Opposition so is calling it quits. I wonder how many others from her side of the House will follow her example?

      • The Al1en 13.2.1

        Surely the saying goes 'the best way to hide a lie is between two truths' not the truth before two lies.

        • alwyn 13.2.1.1

          "he best way to hide a lie is between two truths"

          That's exactly what I did! Look at the first sentence in para 2. Truth "She has no chance ….." Truth "the result of the next ……" and in between I said "as all but the most ….".

          It turns out that that was in fact a Lie. You and McFlock, surely as hard left a pair of commenters as exists in the blogosphere obviously both see that the current CoL will have gone in about September next year. Congratulations on your perspicacity For the current Government it is going to be So long and thanks for all the fish.

          • McFlock 13.2.1.1.1

            There will be a coalition agreement next year. Whichever parties sign that agreement, it will supplant the current agreement.

            The only hope for National to be a party involved in the new coalition agreement is for Labour to become as friendless in parliament as national habitually is.

            Labour currently has two quite popular friends. National have none. For Labour to lose one friend might happen, and depending on who gets lost and who is looking, this might be merely unfortunate. But for Labour to lose both would be most unfortunate for them indeed.

            Whereas for National to get a 5% friend? That would be fucking miraculous. The conservatives need to overcome their reputation for poetry, while the Tamakis can't even get a party name registered.

      • McFlock 13.2.2

        lols

        Keep telling yourself that.

    • mauī 13.3

      Woohoo, CV for Dunedin South!

  13. A 14

    Yes, the Ihumatao land should be brought back.

    No, the iwi shouldn't pay!!

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12262515

    • marty mars 14.1

      I agree 

      PM – "They are seeking a by-Māori-for-Māori solution and I am going to respect that process and allow that to occur."

      The government originally took the land from the people – it is up to the government to fix it – by giving the land back. 

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    Yesterday NZDF officials were put on the stand about the lies they had told over Operation Burnham, making implausible claims that it was all a big mistake. But along the way, we learned they had already been put on the spot about it by a previous Defence Minister, who had ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 hours ago
  • Not as important as they think they are
    Farmers have been whining a lot lately, about the methane targets in the Zero Carbon Bill, about Canterbury's proposed nitrogen limits, and about the government's new proposals to stop them from shitting in our lakes and rivers. These policies are "throwing farmers under the tractor", they will force farmers off ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    10 hours ago
  • Behind Every Good Woman Should Stand – Another Good Woman.
    Alone, Alone, All, All, Alone: To argue that the Prime Minister is the victim of her advisers’ failure to keep her informed may offer Jacinda some measure of exoneration – but only at the cost of casting her as a hopeless political ingénue. A star-dusted muppet, whose only purpose is to ...
    14 hours ago
  • Poor quality, poorly educated kiddie ‘Journalists’ spreading fake news
    In times of hysteria about the “World coming to an end” and “rising sea levels” so-called ‘Journalists’ who can barely spell words longer than four letters are having a ball! Though the majority of the Public have worked out that manmade climate change is nothing short of pseudo-science, and the ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    14 hours ago
  • Chris Trotter on the BFD
    I don't want to give pblicity to certain parts of the internet that are better left to fester in their own irrelevance (I know, a bit like this place) but the listing of Chris Trotter as a 'author' on Cameron Slater's spinoff website, the BFD requires some explanation.Now, I don't ...
    1 day ago
  • Sex is not a spectrum
    The text below is a Twitter thread by Heather Heying that explains the essence of sexual reproduction and it long evolutionary history. She is an evolutionary biologist and a “professor-in-exile” after she and her husband, Bret Weinstein, stood up to supporters of an enforced “Day of Absence” for white staff and teachers ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 day ago
  • Climate Change: Trees, aviation, and offsets
    With crunch time for new Zealand climate policy approaching, most of the New Zealand media have got on board with a global reporting effort to cover the issue. There's one strand of stories today about polling and what it shows about changing public attitudes to the crisis, but the strand ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 day ago
  • Pissing-Off The Israelis Is A High-Risk Strategy.
    Dangerous Foes: For those readers of Bowalley Road who feel disposed to dismiss any prospect of an Israeli destabilisation of New Zealand politics, the example of the United Kingdom repays close attention. Ever since the election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the British Labour Party, the Israelis have sanctioned, funded and ...
    1 day ago
  • Something to go to in Wellington
    Make It 16, the youth-led campaign to lower New Zealand's voting age, is holding an official campaign launch at Parliament this Friday from 16:30. If you'd like to attend, you can register using EventBrite here. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 day ago
  • A founding member responds to Peace Action Wellington
    by Don Franks It was a lovely sunny Wellington afternoon with blue skies above  the beaches.  In Courtenay Place, political activists packed out a stuffy upstairs room for an important meeting. The assembled pacifists, anarchists, communists and independent young radicals of Peace Action Wellington felt the need for a mission ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 day ago
  • “Mistakes and errors”
    Current and former NZDF top brass are being publicly grilled this week by the hit and run inquiry over their public responses to allegations of civilian casualties. Previously, they've claimed there were no casualties, a position which led them to lie to Ministers and to the public. Now, they're saying ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 day ago
  • “Homosexuality is same-sex attraction and relationships, not heterosexuals with delusions of gende...
    by Rafael D. Quiles (gender-critical gay man from Puerto Rico) The writing on the wall is right in people’s faces and people just don’t see it or don’t want to. What could actually possess a heterosexual male to want to feminize himself and claim that he is a lesbian? Because ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 days ago
  • Trump: “Where’s my favourite dictator?”
    From the Wall Street Journal:Inside a room of the ornately decorated Hotel du Palais during last month’s Group of Seven summit in Biarritz, France, President Trump awaited a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi. Mr. Trump looked over a gathering of American and Egyptian officials and called out in ...
    2 days ago
  • Magdalen Burns, 1983-2019, fighter for women’s liberation
    by the Redline blog collective At Redline we are very saddened to hear of the death of Magdalen Burns who passed away on the morning of Friday, September 13 (British time). Magdalen was a great fighter for the rights of women in general and lesbian women in particular, a defender ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    3 days ago
  • Parliament and the Executive
    The Brexit issue has certainly brought with it a series of apparently difficult constitutional issues, many of them concerning the respective roles of the executive and parliament. Most of them arise because of the unwillingness of MPs, despite their professions to the contrary, to be bound by a constitutional rarity ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    4 days ago
  • The Abigail Article; Martyn Bradbury’s Article, and My Response
    . . This blogpost is different to my usual format of reporting on issues… Since July 1011, I have blogged on a variety of political issues; near always political and/or environmental; mostly highly critical of the previous National Government. Other issues included Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and repression of ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    4 days ago
  • Police will have to wear silly Buckingham Palace hats from now on, says Police Minister
    Those close to the Police Minister believe the initiative may be the result of Nash “seeing a great deal” on AliExpress. In a move that comes seemingly out of nowhere, Police Minister Stuart Nash announced this afternoon that he expects all frontline staff to don bearskin hats, famously worn by ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    4 days ago
  • A sensible crackdown
    The government has released its Arms Legislation Bill, containing the second tranche of changes to gun laws following the March 15 massacre. And it all looks quite sensible: a national gun register, higher penalties for illegal possession and dealing, tighter restrictions on arms dealers and shooting clubs, and a shorter ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
    When National was in power, they were very keen on Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) - basicly, using private companies to finance public infrastructure as a way of hiding debt from the public. They were keen on using them for everything - roads, schools, hospitals. But as the UK shows, that "service" ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    5 days ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    5 days ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    5 days ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    6 days ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    6 days ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    6 days ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    6 days ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    6 days ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    7 days ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    1 week ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    1 week ago
  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
    Hi there, just call me Tim.We face tough problems, and I’d like to help, because there are solutions.An Auckand District Health Board member has nominated me for as a candidate for the ADHB, because her MS-related pain and fatigue is reduced with hemp products from Rotorua.  Nothing else helped her. If I ...
    1 week ago
  • Good little vassals
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
    1 week ago
  • The Politics of Opposition
    For most of the time I was a British MP, my party was out of government – these were the Thatcher years, when it was hard for anyone else to get a look-in. As a front-bencher and shadow minister, I became familiar with the strategies required in a parliamentary democracy ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
    1 week ago
  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh On August 29th a video in which veteran FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) commander Iván Márquez announced that they had taken up arms again was released. There was no delay in the reaction to it, from longtime Liberal Party figure and former president Uribe, for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
    Air New Zealand couldn’t believe its luck that this seemingly ideal piece of real estate had so far gone entirely unnoticed. Air New Zealand’s search for a site to build a second Auckland Airport may have made a breakthrough this afternoon, after employees scanning Google satellite imagery spotted a huge, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s failure
    When National was in government and fucking over the poor for the benefit of the rich, foodbanks were a growth industry. And now Labour is in charge, nothing has changed: A huge demand for emergency food parcels means the Auckland City Mission is struggling to prepare for the impending arrival ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
    Gayford, pictured here on The Project, before things got wildly out of control. A bold public relations move by the Government to encourage parents to vaccinate their children has gone horribly wrong. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern appeared on tonight’s episode of Three’s The Project, where the plan was for her ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Cleaning up the water
    Today the government released its Action Plan for Healthy Waterways, aimed at cleaning up our lakes and rivers. Its actually quite good. There will be protection for wetlands, better standards for swimming spots, a requirement for continuous improvement, and better standards for wastewater and stormwater. But most importantly, there's a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
    Anti-fluoride activists have some wealthy backers – they are erecting billboards misrepresenting the Canadian study on many New Zealand cities – and local authorities are ordering their removal because of their scaremongering. Many New Zealanders ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Democracy – I Don’t Think So
    So, those who “know best” have again done their worst. While constantly claiming to be the guardians of democracy and the constitution, and respecters of the 2016 referendum result, diehard Remainers (who have never brought themselves to believe that their advice could have been rejected) have striven might and main ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Government says it will now build just one really nice home
    Following publication of this article, the Ministry has requested it to be noted that this supplied image is not necessarily representative of what the final house will look like, and it “probably won’t be that nice.” As part of today’s long-anticipated reset of the Government’s flagship KiwiBuild policy, Housing Minister ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Imperialism and your cup of coffee
    Over the next week or two we will be running three synopses of parts of the opening chapter of John Smith’s Imperialism in the 21st Century (New York, Monthly Review Press, 2016).  The synopsis and commentary below is written by Phil Duncan. Marx began Capital not with a sweeping historical ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Still juking the stats
    The State Services Commission and Ombudsman have released another batch of OIA statistics, covering the last six months. Request volumes are up, and the core public service is generally handling them within the legal timeframe, though this may be because they've learned to extend rather than just ignore things. And ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Hard News: Time for a New Deal: 25 years on
    In 1994, I was editing an ambitious street mag called Planet, from a fabled office at at 309 Karangahape Road. The thirteenth issue of the magazine was published in the winter of that year and its cover embodied a particularly ambitious goal: the end of cannabis prohibition.I wanted to do ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Not impressed
    KiwiBuild was one of the Ardern government's core policies. The government would end the housing crisis and make housing affordable again by building 100,000 new homes. Of course, it didn't work out like that: targets weren't met, the houses they did build were in the wrong place, and the whole ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Solar beats coal
    As the climate crisis escalates, it is now obvious that we need to radically decarbonise our economy. The good news is that its looking easy and profitable for the energy sector. Wind is already cheaper than fossil fuels, and now solar is too:The levellised cost of solar PV has fallen ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

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