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Open mike 27/11/09

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60 comments on “Open mike 27/11/09”

    • yes he has and it will backfire badly, both personally and for the party – guess what your legacy is now goff? – and the more you and your ‘team’ deny it – the worse it will get.

    • Draco T Bastard 1.2

      Still can’t find the racism in that speech.

  1. toad 2

    Absolutely disgraceful performance by Goff. I had hoped that with the political demise of Don Brash and Winston Peters we had seen the last of politicians cynically exploiting racism and bigoty for political gain.

    I suspect there will be a good number of long-term Labour supporters and activists very unhappy with their party leadership at the moment. If there is an up-side to this sordid exercise in racism by Goff, it may be that the Greens will pick up support at Labour’s expense. But I’d still prefer he hadn’t descended into the sewer.

    • gitmo 2.1

      “I had hoped that with the political demise of Don Brash and Winston Peters we had seen the last of politicians cynically exploiting racism and bigoty for political gain.”

      I don’t think you’ll see the last of politicians cynically exploiting racism and bigoty for political gain until you see the last of politicians.

      • Ron 2.1.1

        Let’s talk about cynical for a moment.
        I’m sorry but it seems to me that there is an idea that the Maori Party are somehow apolitical and should be shielded from crticism.

        The reality is that the MP “cynically” support the Tory party in order to further their aims. The MP have cynically chosen to support some appalling pices of destructive legislation that will see this country – all of this country – damaged for years to come. The Maori Party cynically used the ETS (the disguisting, useless, Tory ETS) to leverage some concessions for their mates in the forestry industry and bypass legal processes relating to Treaty settlements. They and their mates are now lying about that process.
        For that they deverve to be pilloried and exposed. Their agenda is now obviously one of a Tory Party. As such they deserve everything they get.

        And actually Goff is right. The sort of backroom deal they’ve done in order to support a piece of shit legislation IS damaging to race relations in this country. Voters WILL be shocked at how cynbical it is. The National Party IS using the Maori Party to further their agenda and the MP are going along with it and by doing so under the guise of furthering Maori aspirations, the Maori Party ARE damaging race relations in this country.

        • toad 2.1.1.1

          Ron, I’m as angry as anyone about the Maori Party’s sellout in supporting watering down the ETS to something that will be completely ineffective.

          Goff was right to attack them on that (even though Labour’s ETS would itself have been been only minimally effective in reducing greenhouse gas emissions), just as the Greens have attacked them on that.

          But he didn’t stop there – he crossed the line by engaging in racist dog-whistling politics:

          We can choose our future based on principle and with the interests of all New Zealanders at heart.

          Or we can have a country where one New Zealander is turned against another, Maori against Pakeha, in a way that Labour strongly rejects.

          Compare Brash at Orewa:

          Is it to be a modern democratic society, embodying the essential notion of one rule for all in a single nation state?

          Or is it the racially divided nation, with two sets of laws, and two standards of citizenship, that the present Labour Government is moving us steadily towards?

          Interestingly, both Brash’s and Goff’s speeches were entitled “Nationhood”.

          • felix 2.1.1.1.1

            Spot on, Toad. It’s fairly subtle but it’s there all right.

            Goff had the opportunity to quite legitimately take the moral high ground in criticizing the actions of the maori party and he blew it.

          • r0b 2.1.1.1.2

            Toad, that’s a crap comparison of quotes. I was half way through a post last night comparing the Orewa speech with Goff’s (when I noticed a better post already scheduled for today so I dropped it).

            But go back and look at the two speeches side by side. They are very different beasts, and selectively quoting to make them look the same is not exactly helpful.

            Yes those two quotes are effectively identical [edit: on further reflection they are not, one is a veiled attack on The Treaty and the other isn’t] – but what goes around them and along with them is not…

            • George D 2.1.1.1.2.1

              Nah r0b, it’s about right.

              They both have the same theme at their heart – this race stuff isn’t useful, Maori should just put their grievance behind them, and that they’re the unreasonable ones. Lew expressed this idea very clearly.

              If people (Goff and his band of merry supporters) can’t understand that, then they really do have their heads in the sand. Hopefully below the water-mark, so when the tide comes in they’ll die politically and we’ll never have to deal with them again.

              Interesting that none of the Standard posters have felt that this major speech is worth blogging about so far. I’m sure we’ll see something soon…

            • r0b 2.1.1.1.2.2

              Yes George – there”s one in the works (we’re all busy volunteers eh!). I’ll leave further discussion until then…

            • Zorr 2.1.1.1.2.3

              Personally I agree with r0b and despite seeing the potential dogwhistle in Goffs words, in this situation I actually agree with him with what he is trying to say there.

              The way I interpret his words is that the way this current situation over the ETS will be interpreted by the populace will be that the Maori Party have leveraged their position in support of National to get more money for iwi through Treaty of Waitangi settlements.

              I, personally, am very sensitive to the race issues in this country (as mentioned in other posts, I want to be a teacher and therefore have to be) and know more than well enough what a dogwhistle is. However, I think people are seeing in Goffs words what they want to see there and not what was actually being said.

              “Oh no, he is complaining about the Maori taking advantage of their position to get their snouts further in the trough. Bad bad Phil Goff, how dare he!”

  2. Pascal's bookie 3

    New banking regulations — UK edition.

  3. felix 4

    While it’s valid for those on the left to be critical of Goff’s race-baiting, it’s a bit bloody rich for Nat supporters to do so.

    It’s wrong when the Nats do it and it’s wrong when Labour does it.

    If you’re a Nat supporter, tread very carefully around this.

    • Gosman 4.1

      So are you claiming the only people who can be critical of someone using race in a political way are left wingers?

      • felix 4.1.1

        No. Why would you think I said that?

        • Gosman 4.1.1.1

          Because that is one way of reading your last reply.

          National Party supporters have just as much right to critisise Goff on this issue than anyone else.

          • felix 4.1.1.1.1

            Whatevs. If you voted for Brash you can shut the feck up about Goff.

            It’s not a complex point I’m making, but it seems to be well over your head for some reason.

            • Gosman 4.1.1.1.1.1

              Ummmmm….. you can still vote for a political party even though you might not agree with everything the leader of the Party says.

              Or do you think that Labour Party supporters are not entitled to critisise something like the Foreshore and seabed act because it was introduced and, (seemingly), still supported by the Party?

            • felix 4.1.1.1.1.2

              See blow, Gos. I typed it slowly for you.

      • Pascal's bookie 4.1.2

        No he’s not. He is saying that anyone that went out and voted for Brash hasn’t got a leg to fucking stand on in criticisng Goff.

        Do you disagree?

        • grumpy 4.1.2.1

          …and the other side to this is that those who rushed to criticise Brash, now have no choice but to criticise Goff????

          • Nick C 4.1.2.1.1

            National supporters are well within their rights to critisize Goff for hypocracy. The last Labour government blasted Don Brash and were quite happy to label him a racist, and Goff was a senior part of that government. But when the polls are down Goff shows that he’s willing to do the same thing

            • felix 4.1.2.1.1.1

              Yep, Nat voters can allege hypocrisy but to do so they’re implicitly saying “Yes I’m a racist but so are you”. Otherwise there are no grounds for the complaint in the first place.

              If you were cool with Brash’s racism, you don’t get to be offended by Goff’s.

            • Gosman 4.1.2.1.1.2

              Unless you are able to provide evidence that the particular National Party supporter actively supported Brash’s comments then it is nonsensical to try and argue that simply because they support National Party policies generally that means they are not able to critisise Goff.

            • Pascal's bookie 4.1.2.1.1.3

              Gos, if you voted for Brash you were at the least saying that his race baiting didn’t matter to you as much as tax cuts or whatever else you were voting for.

              You don’t have to agree with everything a pollie says in order to vote for them. You still vote for them though, and that’s a package deal. You are still responsible for the package you voted for. The best you can say is that while I don’t like policy ‘x’, policy ‘y’ makes it a worthwhile trade off.

              In other words, you are saying I’ll support x if you give me y.

              I thought righties weere all about the responsibility for the actions and such. (not really, I’ve always thought they were shitting themselves about that)

            • Gosman 4.1.2.1.1.4

              To an extent I agree with you PB.

              However just because you make that decision doesn’t men you are not entitled to critisise either your own party leader for making comments you disagree with, or other party leaders who are doing something similar.

              If Don Brash came out and stated Phil Goff’s latest comments were racist then Felix would be correct, it would be hypocritical.

            • felix 4.1.2.1.1.5

              It’s really simple Gos but I know you’re not the sharpest of pricks so I’ll walk you through it slowly:

              1. National’s “Iwi vs Kiwi” campaign was so prominent, so omnipresent and so widely discussed that it is almost inconceivable that you could have voted in 2005 and not been aware of the publicly expressed, officially promoted views on race issues of the National Party and it’s leader.

              2. If you voted for them you either explicitly or implicitly gave support to those views. (That’s what voting is, Gos). It doesn’t matter if you voted for them primarily because you wanted a tax cut or any other reason – the plain fact is that you voted for a party engaged in a well publicised campaign of racist stirring.

              3. If you think Goff is dogwhistling the racists, then you must accept that Brash was doing so, and much more so as his language went far beyond anything Goff has said.

              4. If you find yourself in the overlap of groups 2 and 3, you are either a hypocrite by definition or you’ve had a road-to-Damascus change of heart in the last few years.

              It’s not a complicated assertion I’m making, Gos.

          • felix 4.1.2.1.2

            That doesn’t quite follow. You’re comparing an action with a lack of action.

  4. prism 5

    Air New Zealand is being precious about Mike Pero’s Antarctic plane visit idea! Their criticism of him could apply to their own company’s actions at the time of the Erebus crash which took a determined judge to reveal plainly. I haven’t forgotten this business and many others haven’t either. It was our Lockerbie. Gadaffi was forced to pay big sums to redeem his country, Air NZ has got off lightly. They are being shown up as callous and parsimonious and don’t like it.
    This country on the whole tends to lack integrity in our treatment to visitors who suffer disasters here. The slap on the hand to the pilot of the Mikhail Lermontov is another example of sliding out from the weight of responsibility by those at the top level. Then there are deaths from this poorly regulated adventure tourism, we have to nurture our tourism which involves doing the same to our tourists.

    • grumpy 5.1

      Spot on the money there Prism. Good post.

      • Deus ex Machina 5.1.1

        I’d sympathise more with Pero if he was simply trying to arrange a flight for those with connections to the Erebus disaster but from what I believe I heard him say on “PM” last night it’s open to anyone willing to pay, which makes it just a tourist flight.

        Human activity of any kind in the Antarctic adversely affects the environment there and should be limited to essential science only. Even if Pero does give any profit he makes on the flight to charity as he says, he will have established that there is money to be made from tourist flights over the Antarctic which will simply make it a matter of time before the money-grubbers move in on it.

        • prism 5.1.1.1

          DM Mike Pero is being upfront that there is a cost, and that will have to be borne. Why is it wrong to say that. He mentioned $1 million I think. Calling it commercial shows a confused attitude – someone has to pay the cost even if its not-for-profit. Qantas isn’t going to and is Air NZ? They have taken a select group of relatives down to Antarctica but there are others who haven’t had the chance. Maybe the only way they will ever get to stand and remember and weep and wonder at the terrain there will be to pay and they will be lucky that Mike Pero is offering to organise and administer the trip which they wouldn’t be able to do themselves.

        • prism 5.1.1.2

          I agree that tourist activities should not be allowed in Antarctica. To have a bunch of wealthy people who want to gawk at it when that puts the delicate ecological balance in danger is disgraceful. No cruise ships, tourist flights etc. It should be something special, kept pristine and viewed from far away and simulations as we have in Christchurch, that can give an idea of conditions.

  5. gobsmacked 6

    Re – Goff

    Tim Watkin (Pundit) and Gordon Campbell (Scoop) are two journalists who do have brains rather than jerking knees, and are often broadly similar in their thoughtful political analysis. But on this issue, they have two quite different perspectives. Worth a read.

    http://gordoncampbell.scoop.co.nz/2009/11/27/gordon-campbell-on-phil-goff-and-the-race-card/

    http://pundit.co.nz/content/labours-dangerous-dirty-path

    • gobsmacked 6.1

      I’ll add my 2 cents on Goff: I’d rather he hadn’t made the speech.

      There are very valid criticisms in there. And we should never get to a stage where liberals/lefties feel constrained in attacking right-wing legislation from a right-wing government with the connivance of Ministers … who are from the Maori Party. The Labour leader should be no more or less trenchant in his criticism of crap like the ETS, just because cuddly Pita and Tariana are supporting the crap.

      But he mixed in the Foreshore & Seabed, which was dumb, and overall he said (in effect): “Let’s talk about this, and get quick headlines … not on the economy or social justice or other social democratic values, not on the longer path, but the easy road instead.”

      Stick to your core values, Phil. ETS bad. Privatising ACC bad. Service cuts bad. Lots of Tory bad. And when the Maori Party vote for them, then Maori Party bad. That’s the message you should be sending.

      • Bored 6.1.1

        I too feel very let down by Goff on this, no problem with the message but choose your battles more wisely. What he should be doing is rallying the opposition to the ETS fiasco to a single combined position, regardless of party left right centre etc allegiances. Thats what a statesman would try to do, Goff comes up well short. The ship is sinking, and the fools are dancing on the decks.

    • Draco T Bastard 6.2

      Gordon Campbell addresses the issues that Goff raised while Tim Watkin cheery picked a couple of lines and got a kneejerk reaction of racism.

    • toad 6.3

      Yeah, Gordon Campbell seems to be having a dollar each way, which is unusual for him.

  6. For those of you intrigued by the open mike discussion about Richarg Gage AIA and bummed out because he was booked to speak in Wellington here is another chance to meet him in person and to listen to his presentation. You will once again have your chance to ask questions or debunk him.

    Richard Gage is speaking in Auckland at the Trades Hall, 147 Great North Rd, Grey Lynn, on Monday, the 30th of November, from 6pm.** To book, please e-mail nz911truth@hotmail.com. While the presentation is free we appreciate gold coin donations to give to Richard for the financing of his journeys. His next stop will be Japan were he will be presenting his case in six cities and were he will be meeting with Yuki Fujita who is now one of the most powerful politicians in Japan since his party won in the last election. He is a full 911 activist and an amazingly courageous man (I met him last year in Sidney)

    So hear it from the horses mouth and ask questions

    • Evidence-Based Practice 7.1

      Please can you tell Richard Gage’s followers not to send nasty hate mail threatening their children to those who dare to disagree?

    • Gosman 7.2

      Travellerev,

      Just wondering if you one of these sad lonely middle-aged women who has only their cat’s for company that require something completely bizarre to grasp on to like a massive earth shattering conspiracy theory to get you through another depressing day?

      BTW Nice arguing from a number of logical fallacies in the Open Mike Thread 22/11/09 😉

      [lprent: Don’t be a dickhead playing with stereotypes. If you want to do that then I’d suggest that you hire some porn and look at the plastic people.

      While I’m sure that you try to wank yourself to sleep at night that is hardly the basis to run an argument on this site. Similarly tev’s lifestyle is also out of bounds unless you can make a point – that is something you singularly failed to do. In fact you sounded as ineffectual as a castration victim in denial.

      Incidentally before you start complaining, read the policy. There is a point to this abuse. You nearly earned a ban but this seemed a more appropriate reprimand. ]

      • travellerev 7.2.1

        No Gossie,

        I am happily married. In fact I have been with the same lovely supportive man for over 22 years. I have three cats, fifteen chickens, two kunekune pigs and a never ending stream of young people wwoofing for us (willing workers on organic farms).

        By the way for those of you I have just been notified by another happily married activist that Richard Gage will be on Close up tonight 7.00 pm NZ time 🙂 6 mins plus promo of BFT Trailer!

        You, on the other hand Gossie looked like a highly frustrated young male in need of a good bonk but with your silly ha and that attitude I’m afraid it’s going to take a long time for you to ever get to know about good and fulfilling sex.

      • Gosman 7.2.2

        I have one simple word for you Iprent – Consistency.

        I think we both know what is meant by that 😉

      • felix 7.2.3

        You’re such a sad little fool, Gosman.

        BTW trav is a nice lady who makes excellent chocolate fudge.

        • Gosman 7.2.3.2

          Why do I not find it strange that someone like you and Travellerev are good mates Felix?

          Let’s remember it was Travellerev who started the personal abuse here I am just carrying on in the same vein.

          Interesting that 9/11 Truthers feel the need to resort to attacking people personally rather than deal with the fact their Science is incredibly dodgy and the implications of their conspiracy theory truly wacky.

          • felix 7.2.3.2.1

            And why do I not find it strange that you would take a simple statement like mine and twist and misconstrue it beyond all recognition?

      • BLiP 7.2.4

        Fuck up and die Gosman.

        How dare you stroll about The Standard smearing your spite and smirking, unwashed igorance. Are you really so bereft of anything to say about a matter you pretend to know so much about that the best you can come up with is a Simpsons-age-group put down?

  7. Could not edit my comment any more.
    Just want to say this is not meant as a treat jack and is just an announcement.

    Cheers

  8. prism 9

    Haven’t read it yet but item on Werewolf by Catriona Maclennan called License to Prey on why government cannot or won’t legislate to rein in loan sharks. This is a major social problem for people on lower incomes. She has been talking about this for some time. Another example of government not doing its regulatory job to safeguard citizens against the more cunning and unscrupulous, with spurious economic arguments against.

  9. Armchair Critic 10

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10612070
    Pity burt has been banned, I was going to put a bet on how long it would be until he came up with a “Labour did it, too”.
    More importantly, now that the investigation is over there is one less reason to not explain why RW was allowed to resign. How long until JK explains?

    • r0b 10.1

      Burt is welcome back on 1st December. But I’m afraid I can’t join you in looking forward to another zillion repetitions of his “Labour did it too” comment.

      • Armchair Critic 10.1.1

        I don’t look forward to it either. The number of times I read something and think to myself “Oh no, here comes another “Labour did it, too” from burt” is almost enough to make me stop reading the Standard and actually do some work. The only way to make it fun is to try to guess how quick he can be.
        I watched the interchange where he was banned and thought you were quite tolerant. In a way it was a bit of a pity, only in that I thought he had said some thought-provoking stuff on other, unrelated topics.

        • r0b 10.1.1.1

          Yes, Burt sometimes seem to have a clue – which makes his endless repetition of the same nonsense all the more frustrating.

          Since I’ve been feeling terrible for banning, and since you’ve put in a good word for him, I’ll lift the ban now. Burt, if he’s about, can come back now. Only please, FFS Burt, change the record.

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    PunditBy Liam Hehir
    3 days ago
  • Helpful tips for parents during lockdown
    Dr Kirsty Ross Children and young people can respond differently in times of distress. This also varies by age and developmental stage, with younger children having more magical and imaginative thinking, and older children having more awareness and knowledge of the issues our communities are facing (which brings up ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    3 days ago
  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #13, 2020
    3 days ago
  • Hungary is now a dictatorship
    Hungary has been a virtual dictatorship for a decade now, as Prime Minister Viktor Orbán has gradually eroded its democracy. But now, its official, with the passage of an indefinite emergency law allowing rule by decree:Hungary’s parliament has passed a new set of coronavirus measures that includes jail terms for ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • A new Ministry of Works
    While the economy is on pause under lockdown, the government is beginning to plan how to cope with the post-lockdown, post-tourism, post-export education world we will eventually find ourselves in. They're planning a lot of infrastructure spending as economic stimulus, and have asked for proposals which can start the moment ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Capture: Well spaced out
    It's my distraction,  setting up tiny scenes to photograph.  I've got stuck on the Babushka dolls for now.  Something about their bubble shape.  Something about their never changing, smiling features, suggesting persistent equanimity.  Can we get through everything that is being thrown at us and keep at least a tiny ...
    4 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 6
    . . March 31: Day six of living in lock-down… This time I managed to sleep a little longer and the alarm woke me at the pre-set time: 6.55am. Then remembered I was working a later shift and could’ve slept in. Oh well, there are things to do at home. ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    4 days ago
  • March ’20 – NZ blogs sitemeter ranking
    Image credit: Diamond Harbour School Blogs I notice a few regulars no longer allow public access to the site counters. This may happen accidentally when the blog format is altered. If your blog is unexpectedly missing or ...
    4 days ago
  • Hard News: Poll Pot and the partisans
    Yesterday's Horizon poll showing support for a "Yes" vote in this year's cannabis referendum sliding into the majority for the first time in a year looked like good news for reformers – and it probably is. But the result warrants some scrutiny.The poll is the fifth in a series commissioned ...
    4 days ago
  • Why those bubbles are so important
    For almost a week now, every one of us who isn’t an essential worker has been confined to their bubble. We are allowed to go shopping for groceries, to visit the doctor, and to get a bit of exercise if we stay local. The reason we are doing this is ...
    SciBlogsBy Siouxsie Wiles
    4 days ago
  • A Government System That Works
    The Covid-19 saga will no doubt produce many twists and turns for us before it is finally brought to an end. But one thing it has shown us – and what comfort it should bring us – is that our country’s government is in good hands. I am not thinking ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    4 days ago
  • Smashing down the barriers: Where are we at with COVID vaccines?
    In the absence of a vaccine or a cure for a deadly disease, staying home in your bubble is what you do, the concept is not new.  To the best of my knowledge last time we did this in NZ was for polio, in the years before a vaccine came ...
    SciBlogsBy Helen Petousis Harris
    4 days ago
  • National Network on Cuba (USA): “Cuban medical solidarity is a pillar of its society and is founde...
    The following statement was released on March 28 by the National Network on Cuba, a coalition of 40 groups, based in the United States. In recent weeks, Cuba has deployed hundreds of medical providers to over a dozen countries in Europe, Asia, as well as to their neighbors in Latin ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    4 days ago
  • Alarming decrease in calves increases fears for endangered Hector’s dolphin
    This has been a terrible summer for Hector’s dolphins. The first indication was very low numbers of dolphin sightings during late spring and early summer. The Otago University Marine Mammal Research Team has carried out routine dolphin surveys at Banks Peninsula for more than 30 years. In all that time, ...
    SciBlogsBy Otago Marine Science
    4 days ago
  • Time for Grant Robertson to reveal package #2?
    On March 17, Finance Minister Grant Robertson was quick out of the blocks with an economic rescue package to help businesses through the inevitable recession resulting from the coronavirus pandemic. Robertson had pulled together a scheme in short order that so far seems to have saved many jobs. In his ...
    PunditBy Tim Watkin
    4 days ago
  • Saving lives
    The purpose of the lockdown is to save lives, by reducing the spread of covid-19. We won't know if its really working for another week, but given the devastation that will result if it doesn't - 14,000 dead is the optimistic scenario - its definitely worth trying. But pausing the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 5
    . . March 30: Day five of living in lock-down… Woke up still in darkness. Alarm hadn’t gone off. Turn to radio clock; it’s a few minutes after 6am… I lie there in the dark, waiting to drift off to sleep… but it ain’t happening. Clock ticks over to 6.55 ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    5 days ago
  • Speaker: Les Gray: the man who told the truth
    The story of Les Gray, the public sector psychologist who told the truth about his use of cannabis and set off a storm, has a special place in the lore of cannabis reform in New Zealand.When Paul Shannon interviewed Gray for the 'Dope and Hope' issue of Planet magazine in ...
    5 days ago
  • Why now? Historical specificity and the perfect storm that has created trans identity politics
    by Phil Duncan For Marxists, a key concern about social trends is their context – not just their causes, but why they happen when they do.  Events and phenomena have causes, but they also are time or period-specific. While much of the left have capitulated recently to postmodernism, most notably ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    5 days ago
  • Time for a living wage for supermarket workers
    Since the lockdown began, we've all suddenly been reminded who the actually essential workers in our society are: not the people at the top who pay themselves the big bucks and rort the perks, but the people at the bottom they screw over and squeeze: cleaners, warehouse staff, truck drivers ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Hard News: MUSIC: Lockdown Grooves
    Kia ora! As I've watched nearly all my remaining work vanish over the past couple of days, it has occured to me that one good way to keep me away from arguing with fools on Twitter all the time (in the knowledge that all we're really doing is processing our ...
    6 days ago
  • A place of greater safety?
    Aotearoa New Zealand has committed to trying to extirpate the virus that causes COVID-19 from its shores. To do that, as a society we’ve moved to “Level 4”. That means adapting to unprecedented restrictions on our personal freedoms, particularly to our rights to move freely and associate with friends and ...
    PunditBy Andrew Geddis
    6 days ago
  • The police and public trust
    When the Prime Minister declared a state of emergency last week, she handed the police powers to enforce it. And almost immediately, we started hearing about heavy-handed, arbitrary "enforcement" by police who (at best) cared more about order than law, or (more likely) had no idea what the rules were ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 4
    . . Lock Down: Day 4 – A photo essay with observations . March 29: Usual wake up routine as RNZ snaps on my radio-clock. Jim Mora’s voice slowly enters my conciousness; there’s talk of a second wave of covid19 taking hold in South Korea; the week in Parliament – ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    6 days ago
  • COVID-19 vs New Zealand
    Yesterday, New Zealand recorded its first Covid-19 related death on the West Coast. Unfortunately this is unlikely to be the only fatality, with the virus now being found in every region of the country.However despite the significant danger, people are still unfortunately breaching lockdown rules.There’s really only one main very ...
    6 days ago
  • 2020 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming Digest #13
    Story of the Week... Toon of the Week... Coming Soon on SkS... Climate Feedback Claim Review... SkS Week in Review... Poster of the Week... Story of the Week... ‘Misinformation kills’: The link between coronavirus conspiracies and climate denial   Grist / Rob Kim / Stringer / CSA Images  Scientific ...
    6 days ago
  • Rāhui day 4
    The kids did surprisingly well today – meltdown count was about 3, and mostly fairly short ones. (And a fourth while I was writing.) Game-wise I had a go at Fell Seal: Arbiter’s Mark. It’s a fairly standard RPG with turn-based combat and what they call a “mature storyline” (it ...
    The little pakehaBy chrismiller
    6 days ago
  • Letter to a friend
    by Don Franks Hi David, Nice hearing from you, I’m glad to hear you’re getting by okay in these grim times. You asked how’s it going for us back here in New Zealand. You would have heard that the whole country is locked down and with breaks for exercise and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 3
    . . Lock Down: Day 3 – A photo essay with observations . March 28: First day of the first weekend in Lock Down. It feels like it’s been weeks since only Level 3 was declared last Tuesday, only four days ago. Woke up this morning to RNZ; coffee; toast, ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    7 days ago
  • 2020 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #13
    A chronological listing of news articles linked to on the Skeptical Science Facebook Page during the past week, i.e., Sun, Mar 22, 2020 through Sat, Mar 28, 2020 Articles Linked to on Facebook Sun, Mar 22, 2020 In Just 10 Years, Warming Has Increased the Odds of Disasters by Chelsea Harvey, ...
    1 week ago
  • Rāhui day 3
    I’m here in lockdown with my flatmate and her two girls (6 and 2) and it. is. a time. They’re usually really active so to start with the only boardgame in the house is the copy of Guess Who that the 6 year old got for her birthday. Flatmate commented ...
    The little pakehaBy chrismiller
    1 week ago
  • A test of civil society.
    The CV-19 (COVID) pandemic has seen the imposition of a government ordered national quarantine and the promulgation of a series of measures designed to spread the burden of pain and soften the economic blow on the most strategically important and most vulnerable sectors of society. The national narrative is framed ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 2
    . . Lock Down: Day 2 – A photo essay with observations . March 27 – Day 2 of our Strange New World. The Park and Ride near my suburb, usually filled with hundreds of vehicles, had just… four; . . Another drive into Wellington City on a highway nearly ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • How Do You Feel? What Do You Think?
    Fortune's Children: Under extraordinary pressure, the leader of the Government and the leader of the Opposition will each show us what they are made of. Have they been blessed with intelligence, grace, wit, poise, toughness, empathy and humour – and in what measure? More importantly, to what extent have they ...
    1 week ago
  • Landlords are NOT an essential service
    If you’ve ever had the misfortune of having to rent a property on the open market in New Zealand, which is one of the most expensive in the entire world, you’ll likely be keenly aware of just how arrogant and entitled landlords and their real estate agents can be.Unfortunately for ...
    1 week ago
  • A “new Society” post-COVID19 will definitely emerge. The question is: on what path?
    Society-wise, aside from the specific morbidity shall we say of the medically-oriented aspects of this COVID-19 crisis, what is unfolding before the world is in more than one way an instructive study of humanity and reactions to a high intensity, high stress environment in real time. Friends, we are at ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    1 week ago
  • Raise the Bar: Everything you need to know about the wage subsidy
    Right now low waged and insecure workers are feeling the economic brunt of the looming #Covid19 Recession. In response legal advocate Toby Cooper* and hospitality and worker’s rights advocate Chloe Ann-King, are putting together a series of legal blogs about your employment rights: In this legal blog we outline some ...
    PosseBy chloeanneking
    1 week ago
  • The massacre of prisoners in Modelo jail, Bogota, March 21
    by Equipo Jurídico Pueblos and Gearóid Ó Loingsigh (25/03/2020) An escape plan in question On the night of March 21st and the early morning of the 22nd, the forces of the Colombian state stormed into the Modelo prison in Bogotá, murdering 23 prisoners and injuring 83, in response to the ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • We are not America
    When the government banned semi-automatic weapons in response to a terrorist atrocity, gun-nuts were outraged. Mired in toxic American gun culture, they thought owning weapons whose sole purpose was killing people was some sort of "constitutional right", a necessity for "defending themselves" against the government. Now, the Court of Appeal ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • When will we know the lockdown is working?
    Just before midnight on Wednesday March 25, Aotearoa New Zealand entered a countrywide alert level four lockdown. For at least the next four weeks, everyone who isn’t an essential worker is confined to their bubble. We are doing this to stop the explosive growth in people contracting and dying from ...
    SciBlogsBy Siouxsie Wiles
    1 week ago
  • Lock Down: Day 1
    . . Lock Down: Day 1 – A photo essay with observations . Day one of the Level 4 nationwide lock-down (or, DefCon 4 as I sometimes cheekily call it) started at 11.59PM on 25 March. For a moment, most of the nation held it’s collective breath. In that brief ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • A Compelling Recollection.
    Broad, Sunlit Uplands: How those words fired my young imagination! Or, perhaps, it is more accurate to say: how those words fused, in my young mind, with the image printed on every packet of Fielder’s Cornflour. Always fascinated by history, especially modern history, I cannot hear Churchill’s wonderfully evocative words, even ...
    1 week ago
  • The Warehouse – where everyone gets a virus
    . . 24 March 2020 9.46AM Number of covid19 cases in Aotearoa New Zealand: 102 . As of 11.59 on Thursday, most of New Zealand will go into “lock down”. People will be expected not to travel to work; not to socialise; and to stay home. I will not be ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • Aggressive action to address climate change could save the world $145 trillion
    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections A respected research group, Project Drawdown, finds that deploying solutions consistent with meeting the Paris climate targets would cost tens of trillions of dollars globally. But crucially, those outlays would also yield long-term savings many times larger than the up-front costs. The new 2020 Drawdown ...
    1 week ago
  • After the Pandemic
    It will pass. What happens next? Not immediately, but longer term. There are many opinions, fewer certainties. Will it “change everything!” as many confidently, and contradictorily predict? In this post I look at how foresight can help bound some of the uncertainties so you can more objectively consider the future. ...
    SciBlogsBy Robert Hickson
    1 week ago
  • Coronavirus – Cuba shows the way
    We’ve been meaning t write something on Cuba and the coronavirus but have just discovered a very good article on the subject in the US left publication Jacobin.  The article looks at how Cuba, a poor country but one where capitalism has been done away with, is leading the way ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Using privacy law to prevent the death penalty
    In 2018, El Shafee Elsheikh and Alexanda Kotey - two British citizens who had purportedly been stripped of their citizenship by the British government - were captured while fighting for Isis in Syria. The British government then conspired to hand them over to the US, and agreed to provide evidence ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • It’s Time For Disaster Socialism.
    Transformers: The disaster of the Great Depression was transformed into a new and fairer society by the democratic socialism of the First Labour Government. The disaster of the Covid-19 Pandemic offers a similar transformative possibility to the Labour-NZ First-Green Government. Seize the time, Jacinda! You will never have a better ...
    1 week ago
  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #12, 2020
    Tamper with The System? Well, we already are. But there's a difference between accidentally trickling sand into a precision gearbox versus formulating a plan to alter it on the fly with improvements in mind. One action is more or less innocently unscrupulous, the other amenable to earning an easy ...
    1 week ago
  • Avoidable hospitalisations: Helping our health system get through COVID-19
    Associate Prof George Thomson, Louise Delany, Prof Nick Wilson While it is possible that New Zealand can use intense public health controls to eradicate COVID-19 from the country – we must also plan for other scenarios where thousands of New Zealanders are sick – including many urgently hospitalised.1 Better resilience ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    2 weeks ago
  • Raise the Bar: 10 questions to ask your employer proposing redundancy
    Kia ora my name is Chloe Ann-King* and I am the founder of Raise the Bar, a campaign and non-profit that gives free legal aid, advocacy and tautoko to hospitality workers in Aotearoa. Right now all over our country hospo workers are being fired at will, having shifts cut or being ...
    PosseBy chloeanneking
    2 weeks ago

  • Further measures to support businesses
    The Government will be introducing legislation to make changes to the Companies Act to help companies facing insolvency due to COVID-19 to remain viable and keep New Zealanders in jobs. The temporary changes include: Giving directors of companies facing significant liquidity problems because of COVID-19 a ‘safe harbour’ from insolvency ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Govt’s COVID plan, economic strength recognised
    The Government’s plan to cushion the blow of COVID-19 by supporting incomes, jobs and businesses, and position the economy to recover has been backed by another international report. International credit rating agency Moody’s today reaffirmed its highest Aaa credit rating on New Zealand, saying the economy is expected to remain ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Funding certainty for sports through COVID-19
    National sports organisations have been given certainty of funding to ensure they can remain viable through the COVID-19 pandemic, Sport and Recreation Minister Grant Robertson announced today. “The global spread of COVID-19 has had a significant impact on sport and recreation in New Zealand, including the cancellation or postponement of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Butchers now allowed to process pork
    Changes have been made to allow butchers to process pork, only for supply to supermarkets or other processors or retailers that are open, Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor has announced. “We carefully weighed the risk of allowing butchers to open their shops for retail customers, but the risk of spreading COVID-19 ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Essential workers leave scheme established
    Essential workers who take leave from work to comply with public health guidance are being supported with a leave scheme to ensure they will continue to receive income, say the Minister of Workplace Relations and Safety Iain Lees-Galloway and Minister for Social Development, Carmel Sepuloni. A number of essential businesses ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Govt WhatsApp helps share COVID-19 information
    A Government WhatsApp channel has been launched to help make information more easily accessible and shareable in the fight against COVID-19. Govt.NZ, which is free to use on any mobile device, will carry information and news for the public, businesses, healthcare providers, not for profits and local government. It can ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Managed departure plan for stranded foreign nationals enables safe, orderly exit
    The Government has announced a plan to enable the safe, orderly exit of tens of thousands of stranded foreign nationals from New Zealand during the current COVID-19 Alert Level 4 restrictions, Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Winston Peters has said. “When we moved into lockdown a week ago, the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Government delivers COVID-19 support to GPs and Pharmacies
    Health Minister Dr David Clark says the Government is delivering on its commitment to support general practice doctors and nurses, and pharmacies on the front-line of our fight against COVID-19. "For us to overcome COVID-19, we need community health services such as general practice and community pharmacy to step up ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Susan Thomas the new Chief High Court Judge
    Justice Susan Thomas has been appointed Chief High Court Judge, Attorney-General David Parker announced today.  She replaces Justice Geoffrey Venning who has resigned from the position.   David Parker paid tribute to Justice Venning, who he said had stewarded the High Court very capably over the last five years.   “On behalf ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Business Finance Guarantee – applications open
    Businesses can start applying to their banks for loans under the Business Finance Guarantee Scheme set up to support the New Zealand economy during the COVID-19 pandemic. “We’re moving quickly to protect New Zealand businesses, jobs and the economy during this unprecedented global economic shock,” Finance Minister Grant Robertson said. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Work starts on ways to fast-track consents to boost recovery from Covid-19 downturn
    Work is underway looking at measures to speed up consents for development and infrastructure projects during the recovery from COVID 19, to provide jobs and stimulate our economy.  Environment Minister David Parker said the COVID-19 pandemic is a serious global crisis that will have a wide ranging and lasting impact ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Advance payments to support contractors
    Advance payments will be made to transport construction industry contractors to retain the workforce and ensure it is ready to quickly gear up to build projects which will be vital to New Zealand’s COVID-19 economic recovery, Transport Minister Phil Twyford announced today. He said keeping the workforce required to build ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Government seeks infrastructure projects
    The Government has tasked a group of industry leaders to seek out infrastructure projects that are ready to start as soon as the construction industry returns to normal to reduce the economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, Economic Development Minister Phil Twyford and Infrastructure Minister Shane Jones say. The Infrastructure ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Health system scaled up to prepare for COVID-19
    Work to scale up the health system in preparation for COVID-19 was today outlined by Health Minister David Clark, as he reported back to the new Epidemic Response Committee. “We are well placed to contain the spread of COVID-19. We have taken early and decisive action at our borders, and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Essential media COVID-19 guidelines refined
    The Government is refining its COVID-19 essential business guidance to include the distribution of news publications for communities which are hard to reach. The Minister of Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media, Kris Faafoi, said the move was in recognition of the importance for New Zealanders who might be harder to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Supermarkets able to open on Easter Sunday
    The Government is ensuring supermarkets can open on Easter Sunday so we can buy groceries, but stay closed on Good Friday allowing workers to take a break. This provides a balanced approach and ensures we avoid large queues that two days closure may cause. “Supermarkets will be able to open ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • New Zealand defence personnel conclude mission at Taji
    Following the successful conclusion of the Building Partner Capacity (BPC) mission at Taji, New Zealand defence personnel are returning to New Zealand from Iraq, in accordance with the Cabinet decision made in June 2019, Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters and Defence Minister Ron Mark announced today. “New Zealand is very ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • State of National Emergency extended
    The State of National Emergency to help stop the spread of COVID-19 has been extended for a further seven days, Minister of Civil Defence Peeni Henare said. The initial declaration on March 25 lasted seven days and can be extended as many times as necessary. “Since we went into isolation ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Strong Govt books support ‘go hard, go early’ response
    New Zealand’s ability to go hard and go early in the fight against COVID-19 has been underpinned by strong Government finances and the growing economy heading into this global pandemic, Finance Minister Grant Robertson says. The Treasury today released the Crown financial statements for the eight months to the end ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Christchurch Hospital Hagley ICU to open to support COVID-19 response
    Health Minister Dr David Clark says 36 new intensive care beds at Christchurch Hospital’s new Hagley building are being fast tracked so they are available for treatment of COVID-19 patients.   The Ministry of Health is working with contractor CPB and Canterbury DHB to enable access to the hospital’s ICU, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Government supports Air NZ freight flights
    The Government has fast-tracked up to $1 million to help Air New Zealand move urgent freight to and from New Zealand, with the first flight to Shanghai leaving tonight, Transport Minister Phil Twyford announced today. Phil Twyford says it’s crucial that trade in vital goods such as medical supplies and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Tariff concessions on COVID-19 related products
    New Zealand will temporarily remove tariffs on all medical and hygiene imports needed for the COVID-19 response. Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker and Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Kris Faafoi said today that the New Zealand Customs Service will apply tariff concessions to all diagnostic reagents and testing ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Clarification of modification to wage subsidy scheme
    Minister of Finance Grant Robertson has clarified that the changes to the wage subsidy scheme announced yesterday mean that employers should be passing on the full subsidy to workers, except in the case where the person’s normal income is less than the level of the subsidy. “We still want employers ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Face masks flowing to DHBs
    Medical face masks from the national reserve supply are now being distributed to District Health Boards, while at the same time local production is being ramped up. Yesterday more than 640,000 masks were sent to DHBS – that is an immediate two week supply, with more to follow in coming ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • COVID-19: Further steps to protect New Zealanders’ jobs
    The Government has made modifications to the wage subsidy scheme to ensure people don’t lose their jobs during the national lockdown. These changes will soften the impact of COVID-19 on workers, families and businesses, and position them to exit the lockdown and look to recovery, Finance Minister Grant Robertson says. ...
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    1 week ago
  • Tax relief for Mycoplasma Bovis farmers
    Farmers whose herds were culled in response to the outbreak of Mycoplasma bovis will be able to minimise the tax treatment of their income in some circumstances. Revenue Minister Stuart Nash says Cabinet has agreed to change the law. It means farmers may be eligible to spread their income over ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • $27 million for NGOs and community groups to continue providing essential services
    A $27 million dollar package, effective immediately, is being provided to social sector services and community groups to ensure they can continue to provide essential support to communities as we stay at home as a nation to stop the spread of COVID-19, Minister for Social Development Carmel Sepuloni announced. “At ...
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    1 week ago
  • Statement on guilty plea of March 15 terrorist
    “The guilty plea today will provide some relief to the many people whose lives were shattered by what happened on March 15,” Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said. “These guilty pleas and conviction bring accountability for what happened and also save the families who lost loved ones, those who were injured, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • COVID-19 updates
    The Prime Minister is holding daily press conferences to update New Zealanders on the Government's response to COVID-19. Links to videos and transcripts of these updates below. These transcripts also include All of Government press conferences led by Director Ministry of Health's Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield. 25 March: Live update from the Prime ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Police numbers break through 10,000 mark
    Frontline Police numbers have broken through the 10,000 mark for the first time in history as officers step forward to keep the community safe during the COVID19 lockdown. “Two Police graduations in Auckland and Wellington in the past week have been conducted in unprecedented circumstances,” Police Minister Stuart Nash said. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Urgent tax measures for economic recovery
    Urgent legislation has been passed to support the package of economic and social measures needed to recover from the impact of the coronavirus outbreak. “The COVID-19 Response (Taxation and Social Assistance Urgent Measures) Bill will cushion New Zealanders from the worst economic impacts of the COVID-19 outbreak,” said Revenue Minister ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Further support for farmers and growers as drought persists
    From tomorrow, Government support for farmers and growers affected by drought will be expanded and extended across the country, with access to Rural Assistance Payments (RAPS) available throughout the North Island, parts of the South Island and the Chatham Islands, Social Development Minister Carmel Sepuloni announced. “These challenging conditions have ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • COVID-19: Temporary changes to Education Act
    Parliament has passed amendments to legislation that give the Secretary of Education stronger powers to act in the fight to limit the spread of COVID-19, Education Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “They are part of a suite of changes passed under the COVID-19 Response (Urgent Management Measures) Legislation Bill,” Chris ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Canada, Australia, Chile, Brunei and Myanmar join NZ and Singapore in committing to keeping supply a...
    Canada, Australia, Chile, Brunei and Myanmar have joined forces with New Zealand and Singapore by committing to keep supply chains open and remove any existing trade restrictive measures on essential goods, especially medical supplies, in the face of the Covid-19 crisis.  Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker today welcomed ...
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