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Poetic justice?

Written By: - Date published: 1:12 pm, December 1st, 2007 - 117 comments
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Remember when the National Party threatened the Standard with copyright infringement? Nothing ever came of it of course because we had the fair defence of satire. But at the time we figured it showed the Nats were tuned it to intellectual property rights and the misuse of others people’s material. How wrong we were. According to an article in today’s Herald our litigious mates may have bitten off more than they can chew after ripping off Coldplay’s “Clocks” for their dull and expensive John Key promotional DVD. As musicologist (and Dunedin music legend) Graham Downes puts it:

If I were approached by a lawyer to furnish a report for a prosecution of copyright infringement against the music on the DVD I would happily do so. If approached by a lawyer to furnish a report in its defence, I would decline.

It’s kinda funny that the party that considers itself the party of business and claims to be “ambitious for New Zealand” would make such a basic property rights blunder and do so while trying to riff off an overseas band rather than getting some decent original Kiwi music. I’d expect National will be getting a cease and desist from EMI sometime soon. I wonder what my copy will be worth on trademe then.

117 comments on “Poetic justice?”

  1. Robinsod 1

    Ha! – I’m not one for schadenfreude but, no… wait I so am! I can’t wait to see where this story goes – is the vid still up on the nat’s site?

    Captcha: clock coffin (someone’s gotta be rigging this thing!)

  2. thomas 2

    I have watched the DVD so many times now
    trying to work out that fucking music
    That I quite like it now
    I MUST VOTE NATIONAL
    I MUST VOTE NATIONAL
    I MUST VOTE NATIONAL
    I MUST VOTE NATIONAL
    I MUST VOTE NATIONAL
    I MUST VOTE NATIONAL
    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    captcha nothing yo do with anything unless your name is MRS MAGDEBURG

  3. Robinsod 3

    She’s my mum!

  4. thomas 4

    Must be DS ‘s Gran then

  5. thomas 5

    Or should that be BS

  6. East Wellington Superhero 6

    Today’s DomPost featured a United Nations’ report showing New Zealand being behind the 8-Ball on standards of living, the less than glowing state of the healthcare system, the complete meltdown around the Graeme Burton saga and the Labour government’s manipulation of the public service.
    In light of these leadership failures by the current government, do you think it would be fair to describe your comments on the John Key DVD/Clocks situation as petty? Do you think it would be fair to say there are bigger issues to be concerned about?

  7. PhilBest 7

    For Pete’s sake you socialist saboteurs, how about getting a Captcha that works, or that isn’t rigged to make it impossible for certain identities to post?

    Second try.

    Graeme Downes can make a fool of himself over this if he wants to let his politics get in the way of his musicology. I doubt Chris Martin of Coldplay would buy into it. He would know that the originality of “Clocks” could be savaged to shreds in the courtroom. There is a world of difference between REAL “musicologists” and those that exist in the world of soundalike rock and teen pap.

  8. The Double Standard 8

    Isn’t it nice to see a Labour-funded blog talking about the important issues that face the nation. Frankly I’ve never knowingly listened to a Coldplay song, and after watching the DVD I hope I never do.

    You’d think the Nats could come up with something a little more original and upbeat.

    How many murders and rapes have been committed by prisoners on parole or bail this month eh?

    sheesh coldplay, cockplay, who gives a fuck (except The Stupid)

    And this re-captcha shit is hopeless. Most of the words aren’t.

    Col- Dilzer?
    Onkotz?
    azines?
    Stebbins?
    Munson?

  9. dave 9

    YOu have no evidence that it is coldplay. Until you do why dont you take the advice of Dear Leader – nothing to see here, move on.

  10. Robinsod 10

    Hey kids – you’re really upset aye? The Nats have been busted. It’s on the front page of the Herald. Suck it up you little crybabies.

  11. Santi 11

    It’s no good to avoid copyright issues. Much better ask someone to paint something and sign it as if it were yours. That’s what Comrade Helen calls integrity.

  12. East Wellington Superhero 12

    Have the Nats been busted? Really? I doubt it.
    Sure, it’s a fun story and it gets people reading the paper but I doubt it will come to much. Moreover, I doubt the Nats are worried.
    The DVD was made by a professional production company who, presumably, checked the rules and will probably take the fall if in fact anything wrong was done.

    Meanwhile, economic growth is stalling, politicians are unilaterally changing electoral law, government leaders have no moral or ethical compass and petty party supporters focus on stupid issues like a DVD jingles.

    Awesome.

  13. Santi 13

    East Helengrad Superhero, do not forget we lead the world in going backwards, in exporting human capital to Australia, in making people sicker and waiting for hospital services longer, in curtailing freedom with the EFB, in overtaxing the populace, in dishing out benefits to people who don’t deserve them, in hitting political opponents in the corridors of Parliament, in exporting jobs overseas, in destroying small business, in pandering to minorities, etc, etc.

    How do you dare to sat NZ is stagnating? Wake up mate.

  14. Robinsod 14

    EWS – “no moral or ethical compass” – do you realise how fruity that sounds? I mean really bro, it’s a beautiful day all around the country, you need to get out and have some fun in the real world. It’s not as scary as your mum says, y’know…

  15. Pascal's bookie 15

    It’s pretty astounding how so many commenters post dozens of comments to threads that they consider to be irrelevent.

    PhilBest of course thinks he’s an expert about music. Whatever. You can always tell the try-hards from people who actually know what they are talking about by the fact that the people who know, explain, and give examples and cites from history and such. The try-hards just bluster, accuse others of ignorance and blather on about how easily they would win if they could be arsed fronting up with some evidence.

    The modestly named East Wellington Superhero thinks that The Standard should be blogging about more important things. Who cares?
    Perhaps s/he should focus on his/her own priorities, (presumably running around Miramar in his/her undies features highly), and let others do likewise. When you start actually paying money to the Standard to be entertained or informed by them, you may be in a position to moan about their content. Till then you’re just being a dick. So stop being a dick Superhero. Great power/great responsibilty remember?

    The Standards Stalker, who apparently stole his name from a suggestion made by a regular here, lets us know that he thinks coldplay is teh SUXXOR. I kind of agree. But then he displays the stupidity that’s made him famous and wonders why the Nats weren’t more original and upbeat. That, my friends, is what as known as a really stupid question.

    They didn’t get something more original, because they are the National Party. Originality is not what they do. When they want to be hip and cool or witty and intelligent, they look for something that other people find to be cool, hip, witty or intelligent and steal it. Like you with your handle. They couldn’t do something more upbeat because they suck like that. Coldplay is upbeat and edgy stuff for your typical Nathead, that’s why they chose it. (DPF I understand lists his musical taste as ‘TOP20’ in profiles. Go figure that he’s a Nat).

    Anyway I’m out. Have a lovely weekend everyone.

  16. Lampie 16

    So that’s how it’s going to be!!!

    Nats going to rip off Kiwis! Rip off a band then us!

    Sell us out, our hospital, our schools just to satisify our greed. Our egocentric thinking.

    There’s the lefts slogan NATS FIRE SALE, GO KIWIS, TAKE AND RUN CAUSE IT IS ALL YOU ARE GOING TO GET!

  17. East Wellington Superhero 17

    Actually, I’ve already been for a wade in the water at Scorching Bay and am currently enjoying the sunny view of Evan’s Bay from my deck. I can see windsurfing, motorboating, sailing and the jets from the airport taking people around our fair nation. Beautiful. Might get a BBQ going soon.

    As for the comment about “no moral or ethical compass” sounding fruity – it’s true, Labour has no moral or ethical compass. I’m not really sure what you mean by ‘fruity’ but I stand by my belief that the Prime Minister’s chief concern these days is the pursuit of power, not democracy. The EFB is not about high-minded views of democratic participation, it’s about winning the 2008 election. I call that a lack of morality and I don’t particularly care if you think that sounds ‘fruity’. The EFB is a complete roughshod ride over freedom of expression and all that kiwi soldiers have fought for and all that freedom-of-speech activists have campaigned for in the past.

    I would ask New Zealanders to consider whether they think Labour’s vilification of the Exclusive Brethren are acts of hate-speech and ask if kiwis think Labour’s attitude towards these citizens of our nation could be described as bigoted.

    Oh, and I’m not a member of the Exclusive Brethren but even if I was, so what? Last time I checked we lived in a democracy. Someone should tell Hon. Chris Carter that.

    East Wellington is beautiful.

  18. More soporific then a John Key DVD(formerly known as Thomas) 18

    The EFB is a complete roughshod ride over freedom of expression and all that kiwi soldiers have fought for and all that freedom-of-speech activists have campaigned for in the past.
    If I can be so bold, that statement is bollocks

  19. East Wellington Superhero 19

    Why is it bollocks?

  20. More soporific then a John Key DVD(formerly known as Thomas) 20

    I’ll give you a clue “running roughshod over all that kiwi soldiers have fought for”

    I just saw the march on TVNZ Swastikas, Labour are fascists posters
    Talk about shrill. Talk out of perspective

    I do NOT know of ONE person the EFB is going to effect not ONE

    Fuck me, Kiwi soldiers fought and died fighting real fascists people who used actually Swastikas and who brutally murdered millions of people
    Its cunts like you who cheapen Kiwi soldiers sacrifice that I can’t stand

  21. More soporific then a John Key DVD(formerly known as Thomas) 21

    AND further more If you were to ask most of those brave soldiers, would they have liked to see their country taken over by a lying scumbag whose main backers and objective was to have New Zealand policies and direction bought by a group or already rich citizens? whose sole intention was to look after themselves and fuck everyone else?
    They would have probably shot you,
    And who could blame them ?

  22. thomas (formally knowed as thomas) 22

    Ha ha, I really fooled you guys this time eh?

    Nah I realllly like dear Helen and I thhhink she is grate lol.

    pwnd!

  23. John 23

    Now that is a double standard isn’t it?

    One law for the Nats and one law for everyone else.

    Then again, they were the party that brought us parallel importing which hurt intellectual property owners in the music, film, publishing and entertainment industry. So, National stealing Coldplay’s property should not have been a surprise. It is in their nature.

    The idea that National is the party of business is a joke. They understand the 1970s farm economy, but not much else.

  24. Dean 24

    So, wait.

    First the standard says it’s definitely Clocks by Coldplay, and now its not.

    All because it was in the “granny herald” you guys love to hate so much, too.

    Are you ever going to get your stories straight before you hit the post button?

  25. Lee C 25

    5000 ( ) at the march against the EFB today in Auckland.

  26. J 26

    I think this “Coldplay” issue is amazing. It’s absurd that so many people on the right have no idea about music “copyright” laws; laws that have prevailed for decades. It’s amazing the so called party of “business” stumble into one of the most fundamental business principles of the music industry, “No Plagiarism”. ……and then idiots call it a piffling matter. A billion dollar publishing industry we’re talking here; let alone the disgusting connection of a prominent leftwing artist to a right wing politician,( for the record Coldplay are hardly my favorite band.) Read up on business law before you post.

    p.s there are very few rightwing artists, makes ya think. The first world right wing and their visionless future of striving hardworkers helping the rich get richer fucks off anyone with true progressive vision.Get your own art.

  27. The Double Standard 27

    “One law for the Nats and one law for everyone else.”

    Hahahhahahaaa John, nice one

    everyone in NZ knows that Teh Party holds the “get out of jail free” card in NZ

    Exactly how many “no public interest” escapes have there been by Labour

    lessee

    1 Helen Clark – forgery
    2 Helen Clark – license to speed
    3 Benson Pope – tennis balls in mouth
    4 Benson Pope – dodgy showers
    5 Parker – something to do with companies
    6 Mallard – common assault
    7 Heather Simpson/Mike Smith – illegal electoral funding
    ….

    The only one that has been stuck (so far) is TPF, which is remarkable, I guess it must have been tooo bad for him.

    If the Nats are sued in court (although its likely to be the production company anyway), let them take their medicine. I’m sure they’ll take it like men, unlike the front-bums at Labour who like to dodge responsibility.

    Tell us John – do you believe in the Rule of Law or not???

  28. Lee C 28

    Lee C Says: (cutnpaste from the other blog)

    December 1st, 2007 at 8:10 pm
    Re the recent two days’ developments about the EFB. I thought I’d go for a bt of balance and read the Very Double Standard’s take on this; after all they have ridiculed previous low-turn-outs as proof that the anti-EFB movement is made up of a few white, middle-class blah blahs.

    So I wondered what their responses to both the turnout, and yesterday the Dominion Post’s stance against the EFB might be, because they have previously atacked the Herald’s stance against the EFB as proof that The Herald is a ‘National Party propaganda organ’.

    Guess what?

    nothing about either.

    They are dealing with the cutting-edge stuff over there, stuff that matters. Stuff around which elections are won or lost.

    Like whether the recent John Key video which features a rough ‘sound-alike’ to ‘Clocks’ has infringed copyright of a Coldplay song.

  29. redbus 29

    Teh Party
    – Seriously! WHY DO YOU SAY ‘Teh’?????

  30. nih 30

    Redbus: he’s one of those chatty little internet lamers who used to think saying ‘teh’ instead of ‘the’ was cool. Now it’s some sort of insult or something. I don’t know. It’s not a very good one. Perhaps it’s maori-bashing? Yes? No? Pretty ambiguous bit of deliberate misspelling really.

  31. nih 31

    Dean

    What did I say about creating more logins? Your desperate attempt to appear as if you have a multitude of support by posting under other names is evil and stupid.

    Only one far-right person posts on KBB and The Standard and it’s you. You’re responsible for pretty much all the invective. Have you ever questioned just how anti-democratic your behaviour is?

    Go on, compare yourself to freedom fighters such as RobertOwen, who actually waits until he’s banned before creating a new login.

    Yeah, I didn’t think so. You’ve shown you’re only 1/15th the man he or any of us are.

  32. The Double Standard 32

    “- Seriously! WHY DO YOU SAY ‘Teh’?????”

    Ur – coz I lernt NZEA enlgish?

    My bad must be a hbt i pcked up on dNet

    pwned!

    lol

    Wrld fms M8

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2006-11-13-text-speak_x.htm

  33. redbus 33

    TDS, I think you’ll find that New Zealand schools do not teach txt language. However, during an exam, when students are prone to revert to habits while trying to remember the many facts and techniques they were taught throughout the year, some write the odd word in txt language. In the same way that the odd spelling mistake is permitted in 600 word essays written within an hour. As long as the answer is readable, then the answer is subjected to the marking schedule. Txt language is not, I repeat, taught in New Zealand schools. If you think that you’re the counter of The Standard, then you’re totally inept as it … How about offering something worthwhile? We would prefer you do not bring the bile of Kiwiblog to The Standard. Thank you.

  34. Lampie 34

    Another gracious present left by the Nats of the 90s. The incoming Labour Govt. had to run with it as already had been implemented into the education system

  35. Lampie 35

    Thats NCEA I’m talking about

  36. redbus 36

    What’s wrong with NCEA? I think it’s far superior to the old system. Care to compare?

  37. Lampie 37

    5000 ( ) at the march against the EFB today in Auckland

    What happens when you organise it for a weekend

  38. Lampie 38

    The point is that people (mostly right wingers) have forgot that National actually changed it and blame Labour for it.

    As you say compare, as I’m not a teacher but wife is, I would ask her to comment but she doesn’t really care for politics

  39. gobsmacked 39

    It’s what happens when you make (sorry, buy) 80,000 phone calls.

    I got one. Mr Boscawen sounded very ANGRY. He should join Christine Rankin in the therapy group. Shout, shout, let it all out.

  40. Lampie 40

    What’s wrong with NCEA? I think it’s far superior to the old system

    As in marking a child’s ability i.e. trig vs stats? Old system past one fail other, fail overall vs pass one fail one, can still pass

  41. Lampie 41

    It’s what happens when you make (sorry, buy) 80,000 phone calls

    Hmmm ^.25% hit rate, not good hahaha

  42. Lampie 42

    shit 6.25% even

  43. East Wellington Superhero 43

    RE: More soporific then a John Key DVD(formerly known as Thomas)

    I guess I’m not going to convince you but I’d like to say that your failure to appreciate that the abusive excesses of the Italian Fascists and Nazis came about after a piece-meal sqeezing-out of free-speech and other civil liberties is concerning.

    Also, to suggest that National Party MPs are bought and don’t care about other New Zealanders is completely ridiculous and such silly comments make it hard to take you seriously.

    The EFB is terrible. Every newspaper in the country is opposed to it. The Human Rights Commission condemns it. The bill’s passage through the House has been secretive which is terrible considering this is election law in a nation where Parliament is sovereign.

    Also, I was offended by being labelled as a “cunt”. If you want people to respect you and your views then you need to be a bit more respectful.

    If TheStandard is going to have any street-cred then submitters need to voluntarily clean-up their arguments and their language.

  44. Gruela 44

    But are any of you righties prepared to argue against the merits of SOME form of legislation to restrict third party spending during an election cycle, and complete transparency for donations over a nominal limit?

    Is it the EFB you’re against, or an open election?

  45. The Double Standard 45

    “But are any of you righties prepared to argue against the merits of SOME form of legislation to restrict third party spending during an election cycle, and complete transparency for donations over a nominal limit?”

    I’d be fine with with no anon donations over some amount, maybe a couple of k, and making them nz-resident only.

    Third party spending is more tricky – I support the principle, but recognize it is hard in practice. Making the limit fairly high should help there.

    Thomas is obviously having trouble coping with people marching to oppose his rather rapid position tonite.

    Rum time!

  46. Gruela 46

    Okay, I’m down with it being poorly drafted legislation. But I do think the need was there, and I do think the reaction to it from some quarters has been OTT.

  47. Dean 47

    Nih, I’d love to know how you’ve arrived at the conclusion that I’m someone else logging in under a different name. You shouldn’t play at being an internet detective because quite frankly you’re not much good at it.

  48. Nick C 48

    On a more positive note i hear they got at least 5000 at the anti-EFB march 2day. You guys were raving about how they got so few to the other ones, why no post on the latest one?

  49. East Wellington Superhero 49

    I would argue that civil society needs to have as much strength as it can to provide a balance against the power of the state. That’s the reason we have democracy. Limiting third parties, limits the voice and power of civil society.

    There is no evidence that money buys elections – it certainly didn’t help National in 2005!

    I used to believe in banning anonymity but considering the beat-up that the EB got and Labour’s (but not just Labour, I’m sure a National govt could do it too) current tendency to attack people, I now think anonymity should be protected. They reason the West largely has secret-ballot elections is because they protect people from attack.

  50. Gruela 50

    “There is no evidence that money buys elections”

    ’nuff said.

  51. r0b 51

    “There is no evidence that money buys elections”

    ’nuff said.

    Indeed. Somebody should tell the multi billion dollar advertising industry that opinion cannot be bought. They’ll probably want to clear out their desks.

  52. East Wellington Superhero 52

    I am going to bed.
    Goodnight.

  53. Amateur Scrabbler 53

    Two points:

    1. The tweaking and slight rearrangement of popular songs and then calling them original material by the rip-off ‘artists’, is despicable to my mind, and is plainly designed to steal from the work’s first composer. Somewhere else here someone mentioned Massive Attack’s work coming under fire on this front, and I also have heard Iggy Pop’s Lust for Life been done this way for a beer commercial(?) here in NZ.

    2. When I watch the video, I really sense a lack of gravitas in Key. I think everything could unravel for him when the battle-hardened leaders of the other parties set their sights on him in the campaign proper. Sure, he can ‘stay on-message’ in the safe environment of a professionally shot video, but in a televised debate I think the wheels might well come off big-time…

  54. Lee C 54

    Ah yes the secret ballot. I wonder why that was introduced? Was it to protect the weak from the bullies?

    The charge in defence of the EFB now, is for critics of the EFB to ‘come up with something better’.

    But that is why we elect representatives, to do the job of proposing legislation which will reflect public opinion.

    How do they devine public opinon? Why, by asking the public.

    it is disingenous to accuse critics of not having better ideas than the ones who come up with the laws, fter the laws have been drafted without proper public consultation.

    Did the National Socialists defend the ‘Final Solution’ with the retort, ‘Well you come up with something better!’ probably. because it is a response, based on a subjectively constructed vrsion of ‘the problem’.

    When, if you asked the German people back in 1934 if Jews needed exterminating, they probably would have said ‘no’.

    Excuse the extreme analogy – it is just an analogy. I am not trying to belittle the suffering of teh Jews under Hitler, o compare Te Labor Part of NZ to the atina Socialists.

    The point is, that we could have ‘come up with something better’ if we (the people) had been asked beforehand, and if the questions asked had been sensible ones..

    But we weren’t. Labour, the Greens, NZ First etc went ahead and threw together this joke of a Bill, then tried to ram it through under cover, because they knew it would not withstnd public scrutiny or debate.

    Now, they are accusing its critics of ‘hysteria’ or demeaning them based on their social grouping, numbers, or ethnicity.

    but the fact remains, they ar eelected to serve the electorate, not to doictate to it, and they appear to have forgotten that.

  55. r0b 55

    He hasn’t been convincing in parliament either, which is not a good sign (for Key). The sprout has some good videos up:

    http://thesprout.vodpod.com/

    See especially number 6 (help i’m drowning).

    But time (and only time) will tell.

  56. r0b 56

    He hasn’t been convincing in parliament either, which is not a good sign (for Key). The sprout has some good videos up:

    http://thesprout.vodpod.com/

    See especially number 6 (help i’m drowning).

    But time (and only time) will tell.

  57. r0b 57

    Hmm – no idea how that appeared twice!

  58. Lee C 58

    Becaus you have been drunkinging

  59. Lee C 59

    sori – drinkunginign…
    i meen …… fuck

  60. Lee C 60

    PS re the EFB:

    ‘If approached by a lawyer to furnish a report in its defence, I would decline.”

  61. r0b 61

    It’s entirely possible that one of us has been drinking Lee. Goodnight!

  62. Lee C 62

    Roger and out!

  63. Gruela 63

    Lee C

    Actually, secret ballots were introduced to stop moneyed interests from buying votes.

    The fact that (at most) 6000 marchers congregated in Auckland is a prime indicator of public opinion: very few people think that the EFB is the first step down into the abyss of Nazism, or some other form of fascist state. This is because most NZers are still rational and reasonable people, and realise that even if the Bill is flawed, there is still a need for it.

    A sense of perspective from the right would be greatly appreciated.

  64. More soporific then a John Key DVD(formerly known as Thomas) 64

    Also, I was offended by being labelled as a “cunt”.
    Your the one that said
    The EFB is a complete roughshod ride over freedom of expression and all that kiwi soldiers have fought for
    I was offended by that
    I also am offended by you lot brandishing swastikas and labelling the Government fascist

    You tone down your rhetoric and I’ll tone down mine

  65. More soporific then a John Key DVD(formerly known as Thomas) 65

    The EFB is a complete roughshod ride over freedom of expression and all that kiwi soldiers have fought for

  66. Gruela 66

    Interestingly, I used to be one of those soldiers. We didn’t give a f**k about freedom of expression, or the flag or the Queen, for that matter. A soldier does what his officers tell him, and they do what their Govt. tells them. Do anything else, and you’re not a soldier anymore.

    (It really bugs me how ‘old soldiers’ sometimes get dragged into these debates.)

  67. Amateur Scrabbler 67

    r0b: Cheers for the link. Interesting to watch the #6.

    He’s got the indecision shuffle going on. Several times he’s about to jump to his feet and then he decides against it.

    Which really is pretty damning. ‘I can’t decide whether to defend myself or not’.

    A few more years in the bear-pit and he’d probably be able to hold his own, but he ain’t there by a long shot.

    Purely as a hypothetical, but will National dump Key in the Brash-esque fashion if he doesn’t get them over the line?

    English has a LOT more game-time, and I sense he’s more of a brawler at heart. With Key, I’ve yet to observe his killer-instinct. Has he actually savaged *anyone* in Parliament?

  68. Gruela 68

    Is there anyone other than English they could elevate?

  69. More soporific then a John Key DVD(formerly known as Thomas) 69

    If key doesn’t get them over the line
    they will disintegrate into their factions
    which would be sad to see 🙂

    something to look forward to then

  70. Historian 70

    Our old soldiers fought Hitler (hooray) on the same side as Stalin (boo) but with Churchill (hooray) and a Labour PM (boo) and our German King (er, hooray, boo, um …).

  71. More soporific then a John Key DVD(formerly known as Thomas) 71

    Is there anyone other than English they could resurrect?

  72. Gruela 72

    It’s Rodney Hide I feel sorry for in all this. (Come to think of it, I’ve always felt sorry for Rodney Hide.)

  73. More soporific then a John Key DVD(formerly known as Thomas) 73

    And they could elevate Brownlee but it would take a few 🙂

  74. Gruela 74

    It would take some gerrymandering.

  75. Amateur Scrabbler 75

    Haha nice one Gruela. 😉

    But seriously, Brownlee seems a vaguely unknown quantity. To me he seems to be ‘the muscle’, who can heavy-hit as needed. (Shoring up Brash on occasion as I remember). Sharp enough to lead? Hard to say…

    I believe that English has been consolidating his support within the party, and staying relatively ‘under cover’ (as far as public perceptions go) over the last two terms.

    I think the Key excision would be swift (this is assuming the Nats lose the next election). English would start the next campaign immediately, and try to force an early election.

    All speculation of course. I just think English has been biding his time, and taking a long-term view… I wouldn’t be surprised to see something like him bringing Rich with along as deputy.

  76. Gruela 76

    Well, they’re stuck with Key for now. I just honestly can’t see him pulling it off. I predict that when he gets into a head to head debate with the other leaders the man is going to fall apart.

    Well, night all.

  77. Amateur Scrabbler 77

    Gruela: Agreed. The National Party hierarchy ‘made their bed’ and ‘now they’ve got to sleep in it’, with their endorsement of Key as leader.

    The televised leader’s debates will be Key’s ultimate undoing. Just in time for the election, when the majority of the electorate is finally watching the political blood-sports.

    I reckon Labour may have made a calculated move to Key slide for this long, in order to prevent him from hardening up to any large degree…

    And also, a general supplemental… pursuant to the ‘Ambition’ announcement, but where’s the frickin policy National ?!

    Oh no, wait… It’s the Tax Cuts isn’t it? 🙂

  78. The Double Standard 78

    “reckon Labour may have made a calculated move to Key slide for this long, in order to prevent him from hardening up to any large degree.”

    So you think its a deliberate strategy by Labour to irritate the electorate so much that they are 13% behind in the polls, just to sucker-punch Key?

    Yeah Right!

    What a dick.

    Cap: left cynanide – just right!

  79. John 79

    Hey Double nice to hear from you.

    Of course I believe in the rule of law and I also believe in letting the justice system enforce that law. It is not up to people like you or me to decide who is prosecuted and who is not. It is for the Police and the Courts to decided and in each of the cases you list, they decided you are wrong.

    It stuck to TPF because the Police and the Courts saw grounds that justified spending Police and Court time on the case. It is as simple as that. By the way, in my opinion I think they were right, but I guess ultimately its up to the justice system to decide.

    The problem with you and your side of the aisle is that you keep trying to turn mole hills into mountains. Like any good political operative you take a bit of truth and try to spin it into something that will do damage. Often this is done to cover up your own inadequacies as a party.

    You count on enough people being fooled by your nonsense to make a difference. By the way, Herald reporters are pretty good at being fooled. So, you maybe on to a good thing.

    Fortunately, though, I think most New Zealanders are smarter than that and they see these tactics as side shows – amusing side shows, but side shows all the same.

    Key hasn’t been around long, but a list along your lines can already be started for him:

    1. Key – Something to do with Equity Corp criminals
    2. Key – Lies on Electoral Office statutory document
    3. Key – Thief (or plagiarist if you prefer)

    Are any of those going to get Mr Key jail time – no. And, they probably shouldn’t, but if you want politically spun lists we can do that.

  80. John 80

    Hey Double nice to hear from you.

    Of course I believe in the rule of law and I also believe in letting the justice system enforce that law. It is not up to people like you or me to decide who is prosecuted and who is not. It is for the Police and the Courts to decided and in each of the cases you list, they decided you are wrong.

    It stuck to TPF because the Police and the Courts saw grounds that justified spending Police and Court time on the case. It is as simple as that. By the way, in my opinion I think they were right, but I guess ultimately its up to the justice system to decide.

    The problem with you and your side of the aisle is that you keep trying to turn mole hills into mountains. Like any good political operative you take a bit of truth and try to spin it into something that will do damage. Often this is done to cover up your own inadequacies as a party.

    You count on enough people being fooled by your nonsense to make a difference. By the way, Herald reporters are pretty good at being fooled. So, you maybe on to a good thing.

    Fortunately, though, I think most New Zealanders are smarter than that and they see these tactics as side shows – amusing side shows, but side shows all the same.

    Key hasn’t been around long, but a list along your lines can already be started for him:

    1. Key – Something to do with Equity Corp criminals
    2. Key – Lies on Electoral Office statutory document
    3. Key – Thief (or plagiarist if you prefer)

    Are any of those going to get Mr Key jail time – no. And, they probably shouldn’t, but if you want politically spun lists we can do that.

  81. Santi 81

    “Okay, I’m down with it being poorly drafted legislation. But I do think the need was there,” Exactly what your intellectual predecessor, some chap named Adolf, said in Germany circa 1933.

    Gruela you’re a tower of intellect, almost a giant. With people like you and Mallard the Labour Party will go far.

  82. Oh, brilliant. A Left-wing commenter who spends seven paragraphs giving his interpretation on the rule of law, and then proceeds to defame John Key.

    All this, just a matter of hours after Redbus says: “We would prefer you do not bring the bile of Kiwiblog to The Standard.”

  83. r0b 83

    And right on cue, up pops IP. He reminds me a bit of that enchanter in The Holy Grail. Pops up with a bad attitude, lobs a few fireballs at random targets, then slips away when the going gets tough.

  84. Admit it, r0b: the Standard claims to offer a left-wing perspective without the bile of kiwiblog. Yet the Standard condones commenters who defame others.

    If you’ve got admin rights, r0b, I strongly suggest you delete the assertions that John Key had “something to do with the Equiticorp criminals”, that he lied on a statutory document, and that he stole and/or plagiarised. Each of those statements is deeply defamatory.

  85. Gruela 85

    Santi

    Just how despicable can you get? Now we know.
    Comparing me to Adolf Hitler.

    You have proven yourself to be without any sense of objectivity, reason or morality.

  86. r0b 86

    That was his name. Tim the Enchanter.

    Admit it, r0b: the Standard claims to offer a left-wing perspective without the bile of kiwiblog.

    The Standard doesn’t claim anything much. Some of us who post here hope for a better standard of debate, but as numbers have grown, inevitably there’s lots of aggressive stuff appearing.

    Yet the Standard condones commenters who defame others.

    If “condones” means allows them to post, then yes of course. Its a blog. People post. One defamatory comment was removed once. Other than that, The Standard doesn’t censor people (unlike Kiwiblog). Free speech. Hurrah.

    If you’ve got admin rights, r0b

    Nope, I’m just a poster here. Gotta go, ciao.

  87. Robinsod 87

    Hey Prick – get over yourself you hypocrite. I’ve seen the vile shit you post and now you want to take the high ground? You’re a joke, Punter.

  88. The Double Standard 88

    Hahahaaa – Robbo thinks IP is a hypocrite. Let me into a little secret Robbo – every regular who visits here knows who spouts the vile shit and it’s you.

    Lol – do you have a mirror in your hovel?

  89. Santi 89

    “Comparing me to Adolf Hitler.”. No, no, Gruela. You obviously have an inflated opinion of your own abilities.

    I has referring to Adolf Dumbweiss, a cobbler and part-time chimney sweeper from Upper Silesia, whose IQ seems to be on par with yours.

  90. You really do take the cake, Robinsod. In case you’ve forgotten, here is merely a selection of some of your vile posts over the last six weeks. And the Standard has the gall to call Kiwiblog’s posters vile!

    Nov 2nd, 2007 at 11:31 am
    And Lee do you still beat your wife. Don’t you have a job or something?

    Nov 19th, 2007 at 2:24 pm
    IP – quick take that story to the herald, your facts are obviously watertight! You’re full of shit prick.

    Nov 14th, 2007 at 7:37 am
    Bill you psychopath – I’ve been getting a good night’s sleep. You should try it some time. It may reduce your psychosis.

    Nov 14th, 2007 at 9:21 am
    Yes Bil, just as well. I’m sure Whale’s respect for you will increase now – he may even acknowledge you on the street. When you act like Whale’s sycophant you really show how much you are on the lunatic fringe of the lunatic fringe, Bill.

    Oct 19th, 2007 at 2:02 pm
    Wodge, why would I bother talking to you – you’re just a punter for crying out loud.

    Oct 19th, 2007 at 10:11 pm
    Burt – you’re a pugnacious bastard, I’ll give you that. Obtuse for sure but pugnacious. You’re not a computer programme are you?

    Nov 6th, 2007 at 2:05 pm
    IP – I’d charge you but I don’t think you could afford to pay me out out of your benefit. Go back to punter-land son.

    Oct 14th, 2007 at 2:05 pm
    Burt you are the most consistently disingenuous commenter I’ve seen for a while. Have you considered Ritalin for your problem?

    Oct 31st, 2007 at 10:05 am
    Claws – I said “Fuck off”

    Oct 15th, 2007 at 8:23 pm
    Burt – you’re wrong. You’ve asked this shit before and you don’t listen to the answers. Fuck off and take your Ritalin.

    Nov 15th, 2007 at 7:47 pm
    Really DPF claws? Not at all like how you scored the exclusive polling contract for National?
    Nov 15th, 2007 at 9:20 pm
    Question time in the house today was frustrating as Labour sought to lie about why the were not releasing the papers from the Ministry of Justice.
    Are you frustrated Monty? You could always try wanking. It won’t really make you go blind (and that’s not the only lie your mum told you). Go on monty – it’ll make you feel calmer and it’s better than spraying your vile lickspittle juice over the pages of the standard. For true bro.

    Nov 16th, 2007 at 2:24 pm
    DPF Claws – Fuck off (that should give you the victim-fix you’re after)

    Robinsod (moderator)
    Nov 7th, 2007 at 10:29 am
    DPF Claws – Of course I took my smart pills (hint: you can tell ‘cos I’m smarter than you). Did you take your neuroleptics? I’m sure they’re helping with your multiple personality disorder.
    19 Tane
    Nov 7th, 2007 at 10:35 am
    ‘sod bro, stop being a dick. You’re not a moderator. Nobody in their right mind would let you moderate anything – you can’t even moderate your own behaviour.

    Oct 31st, 2007 at 5:48 pm
    .and Clem (nah he’s old isn’t he) and Chester and Pansy (I quite like her) and Georgina whoops she’s still on the party shit-list for being brown isn’t she (oh and it was so funny when Gerry was Maori spokesman wasn’t it? and there’s.

    Oct 31st, 2007 at 9:35 pm
    What like you?? Get real santa and/or fuck off.

    Oct 31st, 2007 at 3:18 pm
    Yo Santa – I was just concerned for your education, there’s no need to come over all catty. Oh yeah – Fuck off (I think I forgot last time)

    Nov 1st, 2007 at 3:22 pm
    Bryce – you’re an arse. I’ve been following your comments on this blog for a while and (surprisingly for me) keeping my mouth shut but someone from the libertarian left has to say this mate – you’re living in a dream world if you think bagging Labour with Tory lines (‘cos that’s what you’re recycling) is going to make things better.

    Nov 13th, 2007 at 9:57 pm
    Bill you old psychopath – they let you out! How’d you get away with it? I hear you carved your initials in her corpse – is that true bro?

    Nov 13th, 2007 at 11:08 pm
    Bill – you sound like you’re losing it. Don’t hurt anyone and try not to sent anymore hate mail to Helen – the SIS is gonna have to stop being understanding about it at some stage, ok?

  91. Santi 91

    I side with IP on this one. For vileness nothing worse than Robinsond.

  92. Gruela 92

    Santi

    Keep going. Your posts are an eloquent guide to the value and insight of your opinions.

    I’m sure that everyone who reads them will give them precisely the attention they deserve.

  93. Santi 93

    Relax Gruela and enjoy the last few months in power before this (yours?) mob of socialists bite the dust, as they thoroughly deserve it.

  94. The Double Standard 94

    Santi – Gruela seems to be to the left of the Greens. I doubt that Teh Party is her mob.

  95. Gruela 95

    I thought my mob was the Nazi party?

    (Incidentally, I’m male.)

  96. The Double Standard 96

    (Incidentally, I’m male.)

    Oops, sorry

    I did wonder when I was writing that comment, but decided to take a punt. I guess I was thinking of Cruella de Ville

  97. Robinsod 97

    Jeez – you guys have been stalking me. I’m touched, it’s like a walk down memory lane (you forgot the things I said about Bevan’s mum though) – I never said I was a choirboy I just pointed out you weren’t either. Guess what? I’m not the one bitching about it, you are. That make you a hypocrite – look it up.

    Oh and Prick – I’m getting closer to figuring out who you are – I’ve had a couple of good tips…

    Own. Medicine. Taste of.

  98. robinnome you should be a lot more concerned about people finding out who you are.
    Interesting post on DPF at the moment. The VRWC is running a book on who the guilty party is. You are at very short odds.

  99. nih 100

    BB: haven’t you threatened to cut up Robinsod and leave parts of him in wheelie bins? That was you, wasn’t it? Can you clarify?

    In light of those comments, perhaps your veiled threats above need some police attention.

  100. Breathtaking hypocrisy, lesson 20483 from the Standard:

    Robinsod claims he’s being stalked. In the very next sentence, he claims to be stalking another blogger.

    nih: your comments on this blog are hardly a credit to the labour movement, either.

  101. nih 102

    My comments are brilliant and splendid totems to humility.

  102. nih, I had previously thought that you were less toxic than robinnome. Wrong again!

  103. nih 104

    What, no mention of dismemberment? I’m disappointed. Up until now you far and beyond ranked as the most psychotic poster on The Standard.

    I guess it’s hard work maintaining 15 logins and still being uniquely creative. I look forward to all of your sockpuppet voices blending into one.

  104. thats rich coming from you nih. I have one user name across all the different blogs and forums I post on, with your puerile repetition of robinnomes vile comments you leave yourself wide open to similar comments.

  105. nih 106

    Yeah, I bet I’ll get dismembered. That’ll teach me to have an opinion different from yours.

    Disgusting fringe psychopath.

  106. nih/robinsod or whatever “nick” you want to use…can one of you step back from the circle jerk just long enough to explain where the dismemberment comments are coming from? Although whistling up your crazy comments is fun, the whole chopping up thing is a little strange and i am curious to know why??

  107. nih 108

    Just because the right sockpuppets doesn’t mean normal people do too. This is the only handle I use. You’ll never come close to having that kind of honour.

    Now play stupid and pretend you didn’t threaten to “chop everyone up”. Good boy. Have a bikkie.

  108. Robinsod 109

    Bill – I believe your reputation as a psycho began when you tacitly threatened Rogernome:

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/11/no_prosecutions_under_the_terrorism_suppression_act.html#comment-364000

    Add that to your repugnant blog postings and your “silence of the lambs “-type infatuation with Whale and you’re a pretty good contender for most sociopathic rightie…

  109. nih 110

    Oh, snap!

    You’re a psychopath but nobody is afraid of you. It’d make a great Adam Sandler movie.

  110. Robinsod 111

    Oh and Bill – I’d say the only way you could get a grown man to fit in a wheelie bin would be dismemberment. So do you like spend your evening sharping your knives?

  111. Robert owen 112

    As the debate has sunk to a low level It appears that I, the dirtbag extraordinaire. can now participate.

    I find it incredible that people so abusive as Redbaiter and D4J . And plainly disgusting as Stanley climbfall can still log on.

    Whereas little old me, never said anything that abusive,is banned for life

    The mistake I made was to find out that DPF was posting under a different identity any called him up on it.
    I santa (me) said “If you can lie about that how can we believe anything you say”
    Surely thats not as bad as Stanley posting links of women crapping into cups ?
    I guess i got to close to the truth I think that
    David can be compared to some sort of spoilt adolescent youth ,the immature attitude to women, the vanity and not having the maturity to accept criticism and admit when wrong.
    Now I’m sure socially Davis is a very “nice’ person. Indeed generally people who exhibit the same sort have behaviours as DPF have to be loved by one and all because of the deep insecurities that lie deep and buried within
    [and I should know 🙂 ]

    Ok goodnight one and all

  112. Just in case somebody other than you fuckwits read this I will post the whole comment that I made with regard to robinnome over on kiwiblog.
    The robinnome had been particularly abusive that night towards many posters and everybody was heartily sick of his vile dribble.

    I wrote; “David, you wrote
    “This is a huge blow to Police credibility.”
    The credibility of Helens police service has been eroded at an increasingly frantic pace ever since she Lied to the SST about Doone. Since that night of the long knives against our police, they have succumbed completely to the will of Clarke and her party.
    It is now 6 days since WE ALL witnessed an aggravated assault by a member of the labour party on film.
    has he been charged? Has anybody in the labour party been charged with anything in the last few years?
    People too stupid to read now know the words prima facie.
    Each time these mutts break another law we all wail for a few weeks and then let it go, until the next time and then the cycle begins again.. ad infinitum.
    I wrote at the time of the arrests that this would all be a big beat up and so it has come to pass.
    A few drunk maori and fellow travellers have a whinge in the woods, having a big whiny circle jerk, is not terrorism.
    The timing of these arrests was suspect at best and deliberate at worst. Clarkes new terror laws are currently before parliament and the right response from the solicitor general today would have helped clarkes plans immensely.
    Lucky for all of us Broad and Clarke have been shown up for the liars they are.
    And roger nome. you must have compromising photos of david because if you came into my house and behaved the way you do here you would be going home in a wheelie bin.”
    Hardly a Thomas Harris moment!
    But keep making the highly defamatory comments weeman, I am impervious to your drivel.

  113. Robinsod 114

    Bill you old psycho – you seem very touchy about your reputation. As I’ve said before you may want to consider not saying and doing repugnant things if you don’t want to be viewed as repugnant. I get the feeling you don’t want to stop being a psycho though so you may just have to learn to deal with the fact that people find you creepy.

    Oh and Bill? Your whining about defamation doesn’t cut it when you’re making shit like this up about people:

    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/?q=node/5394#comment-10148

    And y’know what? I get the feeling you still won’t see what’s wrong with your behavior – you may even blame me for pointing it out. That’s what makes you a sociopath.

  114. it’s true robinnome, he has admitted it himself. they have been in a relationship since his partner was a student.
    I see you post over there as robinson rather than robinsod. Why is that?

  115. Robinsod 116

    Bill – I think you’ll find that he was a student at the time. Your use of the term “school boy” is an attempt to paint the man as a pedophile. You know that full well but prefer to use innuendo to smear people and then disingenuously pretend you didn’t really mean that at all – it seems you are a coward as well as a psycho.

    Oh and “Robinson” is my old handle – I still use it where “Robinsod” is blocked – except on NZ conservative ‘cos I kinda like them and “robinson” is a more polite handle.

  116. nih 117

    Hey Bill, is that your real name? Are you a West Aucklander? Because I actually know someone with your issues, back story and attitude problems.

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  • Hungary is now a dictatorship
    Hungary has been a virtual dictatorship for a decade now, as Prime Minister Viktor Orbán has gradually eroded its democracy. But now, its official, with the passage of an indefinite emergency law allowing rule by decree:Hungary’s parliament has passed a new set of coronavirus measures that includes jail terms for ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • A new Ministry of Works
    While the economy is on pause under lockdown, the government is beginning to plan how to cope with the post-lockdown, post-tourism, post-export education world we will eventually find ourselves in. They're planning a lot of infrastructure spending as economic stimulus, and have asked for proposals which can start the moment ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Capture: Well spaced out
    It's my distraction,  setting up tiny scenes to photograph.  I've got stuck on the Babushka dolls for now.  Something about their bubble shape.  Something about their never changing, smiling features, suggesting persistent equanimity.  Can we get through everything that is being thrown at us and keep at least a tiny ...
    5 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 6
    . . March 31: Day six of living in lock-down… This time I managed to sleep a little longer and the alarm woke me at the pre-set time: 6.55am. Then remembered I was working a later shift and could’ve slept in. Oh well, there are things to do at home. ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    5 days ago
  • March ’20 – NZ blogs sitemeter ranking
    Image credit: Diamond Harbour School Blogs I notice a few regulars no longer allow public access to the site counters. This may happen accidentally when the blog format is altered. If your blog is unexpectedly missing or ...
    5 days ago
  • Hard News: Poll Pot and the partisans
    Yesterday's Horizon poll showing support for a "Yes" vote in this year's cannabis referendum sliding into the majority for the first time in a year looked like good news for reformers – and it probably is. But the result warrants some scrutiny.The poll is the fifth in a series commissioned ...
    5 days ago
  • Why those bubbles are so important
    For almost a week now, every one of us who isn’t an essential worker has been confined to their bubble. We are allowed to go shopping for groceries, to visit the doctor, and to get a bit of exercise if we stay local. The reason we are doing this is ...
    SciBlogsBy Siouxsie Wiles
    5 days ago
  • A Government System That Works
    The Covid-19 saga will no doubt produce many twists and turns for us before it is finally brought to an end. But one thing it has shown us – and what comfort it should bring us – is that our country’s government is in good hands. I am not thinking ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    5 days ago
  • Smashing down the barriers: Where are we at with COVID vaccines?
    In the absence of a vaccine or a cure for a deadly disease, staying home in your bubble is what you do, the concept is not new.  To the best of my knowledge last time we did this in NZ was for polio, in the years before a vaccine came ...
    SciBlogsBy Helen Petousis Harris
    5 days ago
  • National Network on Cuba (USA): “Cuban medical solidarity is a pillar of its society and is founde...
    The following statement was released on March 28 by the National Network on Cuba, a coalition of 40 groups, based in the United States. In recent weeks, Cuba has deployed hundreds of medical providers to over a dozen countries in Europe, Asia, as well as to their neighbors in Latin ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    5 days ago
  • Alarming decrease in calves increases fears for endangered Hector’s dolphin
    This has been a terrible summer for Hector’s dolphins. The first indication was very low numbers of dolphin sightings during late spring and early summer. The Otago University Marine Mammal Research Team has carried out routine dolphin surveys at Banks Peninsula for more than 30 years. In all that time, ...
    SciBlogsBy Otago Marine Science
    5 days ago
  • Time for Grant Robertson to reveal package #2?
    On March 17, Finance Minister Grant Robertson was quick out of the blocks with an economic rescue package to help businesses through the inevitable recession resulting from the coronavirus pandemic. Robertson had pulled together a scheme in short order that so far seems to have saved many jobs. In his ...
    PunditBy Tim Watkin
    6 days ago
  • Saving lives
    The purpose of the lockdown is to save lives, by reducing the spread of covid-19. We won't know if its really working for another week, but given the devastation that will result if it doesn't - 14,000 dead is the optimistic scenario - its definitely worth trying. But pausing the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 5
    . . March 30: Day five of living in lock-down… Woke up still in darkness. Alarm hadn’t gone off. Turn to radio clock; it’s a few minutes after 6am… I lie there in the dark, waiting to drift off to sleep… but it ain’t happening. Clock ticks over to 6.55 ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    6 days ago
  • Speaker: Les Gray: the man who told the truth
    The story of Les Gray, the public sector psychologist who told the truth about his use of cannabis and set off a storm, has a special place in the lore of cannabis reform in New Zealand.When Paul Shannon interviewed Gray for the 'Dope and Hope' issue of Planet magazine in ...
    6 days ago
  • Why now? Historical specificity and the perfect storm that has created trans identity politics
    by Phil Duncan For Marxists, a key concern about social trends is their context – not just their causes, but why they happen when they do.  Events and phenomena have causes, but they also are time or period-specific. While much of the left have capitulated recently to postmodernism, most notably ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    7 days ago
  • Time for a living wage for supermarket workers
    Since the lockdown began, we've all suddenly been reminded who the actually essential workers in our society are: not the people at the top who pay themselves the big bucks and rort the perks, but the people at the bottom they screw over and squeeze: cleaners, warehouse staff, truck drivers ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Hard News: MUSIC: Lockdown Grooves
    Kia ora! As I've watched nearly all my remaining work vanish over the past couple of days, it has occured to me that one good way to keep me away from arguing with fools on Twitter all the time (in the knowledge that all we're really doing is processing our ...
    7 days ago
  • A place of greater safety?
    Aotearoa New Zealand has committed to trying to extirpate the virus that causes COVID-19 from its shores. To do that, as a society we’ve moved to “Level 4”. That means adapting to unprecedented restrictions on our personal freedoms, particularly to our rights to move freely and associate with friends and ...
    PunditBy Andrew Geddis
    7 days ago
  • The police and public trust
    When the Prime Minister declared a state of emergency last week, she handed the police powers to enforce it. And almost immediately, we started hearing about heavy-handed, arbitrary "enforcement" by police who (at best) cared more about order than law, or (more likely) had no idea what the rules were ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 4
    . . Lock Down: Day 4 – A photo essay with observations . March 29: Usual wake up routine as RNZ snaps on my radio-clock. Jim Mora’s voice slowly enters my conciousness; there’s talk of a second wave of covid19 taking hold in South Korea; the week in Parliament – ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    7 days ago
  • COVID-19 vs New Zealand
    Yesterday, New Zealand recorded its first Covid-19 related death on the West Coast. Unfortunately this is unlikely to be the only fatality, with the virus now being found in every region of the country.However despite the significant danger, people are still unfortunately breaching lockdown rules.There’s really only one main very ...
    7 days ago
  • 2020 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming Digest #13
    Story of the Week... Toon of the Week... Coming Soon on SkS... Climate Feedback Claim Review... SkS Week in Review... Poster of the Week... Story of the Week... ‘Misinformation kills’: The link between coronavirus conspiracies and climate denial   Grist / Rob Kim / Stringer / CSA Images  Scientific ...
    7 days ago
  • Rāhui day 4
    The kids did surprisingly well today – meltdown count was about 3, and mostly fairly short ones. (And a fourth while I was writing.) Game-wise I had a go at Fell Seal: Arbiter’s Mark. It’s a fairly standard RPG with turn-based combat and what they call a “mature storyline” (it ...
    The little pakehaBy chrismiller
    1 week ago
  • Letter to a friend
    by Don Franks Hi David, Nice hearing from you, I’m glad to hear you’re getting by okay in these grim times. You asked how’s it going for us back here in New Zealand. You would have heard that the whole country is locked down and with breaks for exercise and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 3
    . . Lock Down: Day 3 – A photo essay with observations . March 28: First day of the first weekend in Lock Down. It feels like it’s been weeks since only Level 3 was declared last Tuesday, only four days ago. Woke up this morning to RNZ; coffee; toast, ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • 2020 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #13
    A chronological listing of news articles linked to on the Skeptical Science Facebook Page during the past week, i.e., Sun, Mar 22, 2020 through Sat, Mar 28, 2020 Articles Linked to on Facebook Sun, Mar 22, 2020 In Just 10 Years, Warming Has Increased the Odds of Disasters by Chelsea Harvey, ...
    1 week ago
  • Rāhui day 3
    I’m here in lockdown with my flatmate and her two girls (6 and 2) and it. is. a time. They’re usually really active so to start with the only boardgame in the house is the copy of Guess Who that the 6 year old got for her birthday. Flatmate commented ...
    The little pakehaBy chrismiller
    1 week ago
  • A test of civil society.
    The CV-19 (COVID) pandemic has seen the imposition of a government ordered national quarantine and the promulgation of a series of measures designed to spread the burden of pain and soften the economic blow on the most strategically important and most vulnerable sectors of society. The national narrative is framed ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 2
    . . Lock Down: Day 2 – A photo essay with observations . March 27 – Day 2 of our Strange New World. The Park and Ride near my suburb, usually filled with hundreds of vehicles, had just… four; . . Another drive into Wellington City on a highway nearly ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • How Do You Feel? What Do You Think?
    Fortune's Children: Under extraordinary pressure, the leader of the Government and the leader of the Opposition will each show us what they are made of. Have they been blessed with intelligence, grace, wit, poise, toughness, empathy and humour – and in what measure? More importantly, to what extent have they ...
    1 week ago
  • Landlords are NOT an essential service
    If you’ve ever had the misfortune of having to rent a property on the open market in New Zealand, which is one of the most expensive in the entire world, you’ll likely be keenly aware of just how arrogant and entitled landlords and their real estate agents can be.Unfortunately for ...
    1 week ago
  • A “new Society” post-COVID19 will definitely emerge. The question is: on what path?
    Society-wise, aside from the specific morbidity shall we say of the medically-oriented aspects of this COVID-19 crisis, what is unfolding before the world is in more than one way an instructive study of humanity and reactions to a high intensity, high stress environment in real time. Friends, we are at ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    1 week ago
  • Raise the Bar: Everything you need to know about the wage subsidy
    Right now low waged and insecure workers are feeling the economic brunt of the looming #Covid19 Recession. In response legal advocate Toby Cooper* and hospitality and worker’s rights advocate Chloe Ann-King, are putting together a series of legal blogs about your employment rights: In this legal blog we outline some ...
    PosseBy chloeanneking
    1 week ago
  • The massacre of prisoners in Modelo jail, Bogota, March 21
    by Equipo Jurídico Pueblos and Gearóid Ó Loingsigh (25/03/2020) An escape plan in question On the night of March 21st and the early morning of the 22nd, the forces of the Colombian state stormed into the Modelo prison in Bogotá, murdering 23 prisoners and injuring 83, in response to the ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • We are not America
    When the government banned semi-automatic weapons in response to a terrorist atrocity, gun-nuts were outraged. Mired in toxic American gun culture, they thought owning weapons whose sole purpose was killing people was some sort of "constitutional right", a necessity for "defending themselves" against the government. Now, the Court of Appeal ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • When will we know the lockdown is working?
    Just before midnight on Wednesday March 25, Aotearoa New Zealand entered a countrywide alert level four lockdown. For at least the next four weeks, everyone who isn’t an essential worker is confined to their bubble. We are doing this to stop the explosive growth in people contracting and dying from ...
    SciBlogsBy Siouxsie Wiles
    1 week ago
  • Lock Down: Day 1
    . . Lock Down: Day 1 – A photo essay with observations . Day one of the Level 4 nationwide lock-down (or, DefCon 4 as I sometimes cheekily call it) started at 11.59PM on 25 March. For a moment, most of the nation held it’s collective breath. In that brief ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • A Compelling Recollection.
    Broad, Sunlit Uplands: How those words fired my young imagination! Or, perhaps, it is more accurate to say: how those words fused, in my young mind, with the image printed on every packet of Fielder’s Cornflour. Always fascinated by history, especially modern history, I cannot hear Churchill’s wonderfully evocative words, even ...
    1 week ago
  • The Warehouse – where everyone gets a virus
    . . 24 March 2020 9.46AM Number of covid19 cases in Aotearoa New Zealand: 102 . As of 11.59 on Thursday, most of New Zealand will go into “lock down”. People will be expected not to travel to work; not to socialise; and to stay home. I will not be ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • Aggressive action to address climate change could save the world $145 trillion
    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections A respected research group, Project Drawdown, finds that deploying solutions consistent with meeting the Paris climate targets would cost tens of trillions of dollars globally. But crucially, those outlays would also yield long-term savings many times larger than the up-front costs. The new 2020 Drawdown ...
    1 week ago
  • After the Pandemic
    It will pass. What happens next? Not immediately, but longer term. There are many opinions, fewer certainties. Will it “change everything!” as many confidently, and contradictorily predict? In this post I look at how foresight can help bound some of the uncertainties so you can more objectively consider the future. ...
    SciBlogsBy Robert Hickson
    2 weeks ago

  • Further measures to support businesses
    The Government will be introducing legislation to make changes to the Companies Act to help companies facing insolvency due to COVID-19 to remain viable and keep New Zealanders in jobs. The temporary changes include: Giving directors of companies facing significant liquidity problems because of COVID-19 a ‘safe harbour’ from insolvency ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Govt’s COVID plan, economic strength recognised
    The Government’s plan to cushion the blow of COVID-19 by supporting incomes, jobs and businesses, and position the economy to recover has been backed by another international report. International credit rating agency Moody’s today reaffirmed its highest Aaa credit rating on New Zealand, saying the economy is expected to remain ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Funding certainty for sports through COVID-19
    National sports organisations have been given certainty of funding to ensure they can remain viable through the COVID-19 pandemic, Sport and Recreation Minister Grant Robertson announced today. “The global spread of COVID-19 has had a significant impact on sport and recreation in New Zealand, including the cancellation or postponement of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Butchers now allowed to process pork
    Changes have been made to allow butchers to process pork, only for supply to supermarkets or other processors or retailers that are open, Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor has announced. “We carefully weighed the risk of allowing butchers to open their shops for retail customers, but the risk of spreading COVID-19 ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Essential workers leave scheme established
    Essential workers who take leave from work to comply with public health guidance are being supported with a leave scheme to ensure they will continue to receive income, say the Minister of Workplace Relations and Safety Iain Lees-Galloway and Minister for Social Development, Carmel Sepuloni. A number of essential businesses ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Govt WhatsApp helps share COVID-19 information
    A Government WhatsApp channel has been launched to help make information more easily accessible and shareable in the fight against COVID-19. Govt.NZ, which is free to use on any mobile device, will carry information and news for the public, businesses, healthcare providers, not for profits and local government. It can ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Managed departure plan for stranded foreign nationals enables safe, orderly exit
    The Government has announced a plan to enable the safe, orderly exit of tens of thousands of stranded foreign nationals from New Zealand during the current COVID-19 Alert Level 4 restrictions, Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Winston Peters has said. “When we moved into lockdown a week ago, the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Government delivers COVID-19 support to GPs and Pharmacies
    Health Minister Dr David Clark says the Government is delivering on its commitment to support general practice doctors and nurses, and pharmacies on the front-line of our fight against COVID-19. "For us to overcome COVID-19, we need community health services such as general practice and community pharmacy to step up ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Susan Thomas the new Chief High Court Judge
    Justice Susan Thomas has been appointed Chief High Court Judge, Attorney-General David Parker announced today.  She replaces Justice Geoffrey Venning who has resigned from the position.   David Parker paid tribute to Justice Venning, who he said had stewarded the High Court very capably over the last five years.   “On behalf ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Business Finance Guarantee – applications open
    Businesses can start applying to their banks for loans under the Business Finance Guarantee Scheme set up to support the New Zealand economy during the COVID-19 pandemic. “We’re moving quickly to protect New Zealand businesses, jobs and the economy during this unprecedented global economic shock,” Finance Minister Grant Robertson said. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Work starts on ways to fast-track consents to boost recovery from Covid-19 downturn
    Work is underway looking at measures to speed up consents for development and infrastructure projects during the recovery from COVID 19, to provide jobs and stimulate our economy.  Environment Minister David Parker said the COVID-19 pandemic is a serious global crisis that will have a wide ranging and lasting impact ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Advance payments to support contractors
    Advance payments will be made to transport construction industry contractors to retain the workforce and ensure it is ready to quickly gear up to build projects which will be vital to New Zealand’s COVID-19 economic recovery, Transport Minister Phil Twyford announced today. He said keeping the workforce required to build ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Government seeks infrastructure projects
    The Government has tasked a group of industry leaders to seek out infrastructure projects that are ready to start as soon as the construction industry returns to normal to reduce the economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, Economic Development Minister Phil Twyford and Infrastructure Minister Shane Jones say. The Infrastructure ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Health system scaled up to prepare for COVID-19
    Work to scale up the health system in preparation for COVID-19 was today outlined by Health Minister David Clark, as he reported back to the new Epidemic Response Committee. “We are well placed to contain the spread of COVID-19. We have taken early and decisive action at our borders, and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Essential media COVID-19 guidelines refined
    The Government is refining its COVID-19 essential business guidance to include the distribution of news publications for communities which are hard to reach. The Minister of Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media, Kris Faafoi, said the move was in recognition of the importance for New Zealanders who might be harder to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Supermarkets able to open on Easter Sunday
    The Government is ensuring supermarkets can open on Easter Sunday so we can buy groceries, but stay closed on Good Friday allowing workers to take a break. This provides a balanced approach and ensures we avoid large queues that two days closure may cause. “Supermarkets will be able to open ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • New Zealand defence personnel conclude mission at Taji
    Following the successful conclusion of the Building Partner Capacity (BPC) mission at Taji, New Zealand defence personnel are returning to New Zealand from Iraq, in accordance with the Cabinet decision made in June 2019, Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters and Defence Minister Ron Mark announced today. “New Zealand is very ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • State of National Emergency extended
    The State of National Emergency to help stop the spread of COVID-19 has been extended for a further seven days, Minister of Civil Defence Peeni Henare said. The initial declaration on March 25 lasted seven days and can be extended as many times as necessary. “Since we went into isolation ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Strong Govt books support ‘go hard, go early’ response
    New Zealand’s ability to go hard and go early in the fight against COVID-19 has been underpinned by strong Government finances and the growing economy heading into this global pandemic, Finance Minister Grant Robertson says. The Treasury today released the Crown financial statements for the eight months to the end ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Christchurch Hospital Hagley ICU to open to support COVID-19 response
    Health Minister Dr David Clark says 36 new intensive care beds at Christchurch Hospital’s new Hagley building are being fast tracked so they are available for treatment of COVID-19 patients.   The Ministry of Health is working with contractor CPB and Canterbury DHB to enable access to the hospital’s ICU, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago
  • Government supports Air NZ freight flights
    The Government has fast-tracked up to $1 million to help Air New Zealand move urgent freight to and from New Zealand, with the first flight to Shanghai leaving tonight, Transport Minister Phil Twyford announced today. Phil Twyford says it’s crucial that trade in vital goods such as medical supplies and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Tariff concessions on COVID-19 related products
    New Zealand will temporarily remove tariffs on all medical and hygiene imports needed for the COVID-19 response. Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker and Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Kris Faafoi said today that the New Zealand Customs Service will apply tariff concessions to all diagnostic reagents and testing ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Clarification of modification to wage subsidy scheme
    Minister of Finance Grant Robertson has clarified that the changes to the wage subsidy scheme announced yesterday mean that employers should be passing on the full subsidy to workers, except in the case where the person’s normal income is less than the level of the subsidy. “We still want employers ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Face masks flowing to DHBs
    Medical face masks from the national reserve supply are now being distributed to District Health Boards, while at the same time local production is being ramped up. Yesterday more than 640,000 masks were sent to DHBS – that is an immediate two week supply, with more to follow in coming ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • COVID-19: Further steps to protect New Zealanders’ jobs
    The Government has made modifications to the wage subsidy scheme to ensure people don’t lose their jobs during the national lockdown. These changes will soften the impact of COVID-19 on workers, families and businesses, and position them to exit the lockdown and look to recovery, Finance Minister Grant Robertson says. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Tax relief for Mycoplasma Bovis farmers
    Farmers whose herds were culled in response to the outbreak of Mycoplasma bovis will be able to minimise the tax treatment of their income in some circumstances. Revenue Minister Stuart Nash says Cabinet has agreed to change the law. It means farmers may be eligible to spread their income over ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • $27 million for NGOs and community groups to continue providing essential services
    A $27 million dollar package, effective immediately, is being provided to social sector services and community groups to ensure they can continue to provide essential support to communities as we stay at home as a nation to stop the spread of COVID-19, Minister for Social Development Carmel Sepuloni announced. “At ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Statement on guilty plea of March 15 terrorist
    “The guilty plea today will provide some relief to the many people whose lives were shattered by what happened on March 15,” Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said. “These guilty pleas and conviction bring accountability for what happened and also save the families who lost loved ones, those who were injured, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • COVID-19 updates
    The Prime Minister is holding daily press conferences to update New Zealanders on the Government's response to COVID-19. Links to videos and transcripts of these updates below. These transcripts also include All of Government press conferences led by Director Ministry of Health's Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield. 25 March: Live update from the Prime ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Police numbers break through 10,000 mark
    Frontline Police numbers have broken through the 10,000 mark for the first time in history as officers step forward to keep the community safe during the COVID19 lockdown. “Two Police graduations in Auckland and Wellington in the past week have been conducted in unprecedented circumstances,” Police Minister Stuart Nash said. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Urgent tax measures for economic recovery
    Urgent legislation has been passed to support the package of economic and social measures needed to recover from the impact of the coronavirus outbreak. “The COVID-19 Response (Taxation and Social Assistance Urgent Measures) Bill will cushion New Zealanders from the worst economic impacts of the COVID-19 outbreak,” said Revenue Minister ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Further support for farmers and growers as drought persists
    From tomorrow, Government support for farmers and growers affected by drought will be expanded and extended across the country, with access to Rural Assistance Payments (RAPS) available throughout the North Island, parts of the South Island and the Chatham Islands, Social Development Minister Carmel Sepuloni announced. “These challenging conditions have ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • COVID-19: Temporary changes to Education Act
    Parliament has passed amendments to legislation that give the Secretary of Education stronger powers to act in the fight to limit the spread of COVID-19, Education Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “They are part of a suite of changes passed under the COVID-19 Response (Urgent Management Measures) Legislation Bill,” Chris ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Canada, Australia, Chile, Brunei and Myanmar join NZ and Singapore in committing to keeping supply a...
    Canada, Australia, Chile, Brunei and Myanmar have joined forces with New Zealand and Singapore by committing to keep supply chains open and remove any existing trade restrictive measures on essential goods, especially medical supplies, in the face of the Covid-19 crisis.  Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker today welcomed ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • COVID-19: Rent increase freeze and more protection for tenants
    Immediate freeze on rent increases Tenancies will not be terminated during the lock-down period, unless the parties agree, or in limited circumstances Tenants who had previously given notice can stay in their if they need to stay in the tenancy during the lock-down period Tenants will still be able to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Working together to protect businesses and workers
    As New Zealand unites to lock-down in the fight against COVID-19, the Finance Minister is urging all businesses and workers to stay connected over the next four weeks. “We understand the extreme pressure many businesses are under right now. I know most business owners think of their workers as family ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • State of National Emergency declared to fight COVID-19
    A State of National Emergency has been declared across the country as the Government pulls out all the stops to curtail the spread of COVID-19. “Today we put in place our country’s second ever State of National Emergency as we fight a global pandemic, save New Zealanders’ lives and prevent ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Prime Minister’s statement on State of National Emergency and Epidemic Notice
    Mr Speaker I wish to make a Ministerial Statement under Standing Order 347 in relation to the recent declaration of a State of National Emergency. Having considered the advice of the Director Civil Defence Emergency Management, the Minister of Civil Defence declared a State of National Emergency for the whole of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Deadline for domestic travel extended
    People needing to travel on domestic flights, trains and Cook Strait ferries to get home before the country moves into level 4 lock-down tomorrow night will be able to continue using the passenger services until midnight on Friday, Transport Minister Phil Twyford said today. Domestic passenger services, particularly ferries, have ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Mortgage holiday and business finance support schemes to cushion COVID impacts
    The Government, retail banks and the Reserve Bank are today announcing a major financial support package for home owners and businesses affected by the economic impacts of COVID-19. The package will include a six month principal and interest payment holiday for mortgage holders and SME customers whose incomes have been ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago