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Same song? You decide.

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National needs to come clean and stop misleading the public.

The Herald reported yesterday that “National Party campaign manager Jo de Joux said the music was composed by “an Auckland artist” and paid for by the production company which produced the DVD [Production Shed.TV]”.

I don’t think he’s telling the truth.

National Party blogger, David Farrar seems to have an opinion on everything EXCEPT this, disingenuously claiming “my musical talent is somewhere between retarded and non-existent so I can offer no opinion on whether it is too similar or not.” Well now he’s got the chance to.

I’m no expert either but I dropped the Coldplay original and the audio clip from Key’s video into a very basic audio editor. Played on top of each other they were indistinguishable.

To give the Nats the benefit of the doubt, in the composite version I’ve embedded here I’ve even raised and lowered the volumes fully on one track then the other: 100%/0% then 0%/100% and so on – you can see in the graphic above. I’ve then dropped out the original and gradually brought it in as Key begins to speak. The transition is seamless.

I think it’s the same song. If it is, National stole it. If it is, they’re lying about it.

115 comments on “Same song? You decide.”

  1. nih 1

    It’s obviously a remix of samples from the original Clocks song. It makes sense, if you’re going to steal a song, why re-perform it?

    There’s no other way to put this: National first wrongly accuses others of copyright infringement then goes and undertakes a huge infringement themselves.

    Incidentally, my partner is a musician and she says changing a song is considered much worse than reproducing it. You have to obtain permission from the original artist to alter his work. That’s when it stops being a royalties issue and becomes copyright infringement.

    No doubt Coldplay provide their song without the lyrics to licensees who require it, but as the National party have said, they sourced it from ‘a local “artist”‘ and not from Coldplay or their publishers.

    It’s time National ditched this de Joux person.

  2. Gruela 2

    Pretty damning evidence, I’d say.

  3. nih 3

    By the way, does this mean Coldplay are lickspittle nazi fascist communist spacefaring icepirates? How dare they exist and be stolen from, besmirching National’s name!

  4. Gruela 4

    Ice Pirates! Brilliant. I love that movie.

  5. Visitor 5

    From the Herald report: “National Party campaign manager Jo de Joux said the music was composed by “an Auckland artist” and paid for by the production company which produced the DVD.”

    So … when did this “Auckland artist” compose the music? Was it before, or after, National used Clocks (the original) as John Key’s intro music at the party conference in August?

    THAT is the money question. It is a simple question of fact, and easy to establish. Surely National can answer it.

  6. all_your_base 6

    I wonder if Chris Martin will be pissed when he finds that his song has been ripped off – worse still, by the Tories.

    Martin opposed the war in Iraq (the one that Key wanted to jump into, and now claims is over), he supported climate change as a cause (the phenomenon Key dismissed as “a complete and utter hoax”) and supported John Kerry’s presidential campaign.

    Wikipedia reports that “the band has remained protective of how their music is used in the media, refusing its use for product endorsements. In the past, Coldplay turned down multi-million dollar contracts from Gatorade, Diet Coke, and Gap, who wanted to use the songs “Yellow”, “Trouble”, and “Don’t Panic” respectively. According to Martin, “We wouldn’t be able to live with ourselves if we sold the songs’ meanings like that.”

    I wouldn’t have thought that bodes well for John Key and National.

  7. Mike 7

    So how many copies of this DVD were produced?

    Still, this is not National’s fault as they’d outsourced the job of what went on their own DVD to someone else, therefore they are not accountable for it’s content.

    I’ll look forward to this approach to in our health and education sectors if they ever become part of a government again.

  8. all_your_base 8

    “Key is hoping to give away 10,000 of his DVDs”

    http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/536641/1464678

    If Key continues to hand out DVDs containing stolen music now that the issue is being investigated I’d consider him and National complicit.

  9. Gruela 10

    I’m shocked. A nicely balanced, well argued editorial from the msm

    Great link, Lee.

    (It really puts this one into perspective.)
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/466/story.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10479514

  10. Dean 11

    You can run the song through whatever sound analysis software you like.

    The fact remains that unless you are reasonably tone deaf, you’ll hear different notes at the end of each repeat of the melody.

    Seriously guys, you’re on a hiding to nothing claiming it’s the same song. Similar, yes. And it may be that it’s similar enough to warrant legal action, assuming no rights were paid, or if it’s different enough to be able to escape legal action entirely.

    But it’s not the same.

    I thought you guys were supposed to be into the arts and music? If you can’t tell the difference between the two songs, then I’d suggest taking up painting or pottery because quite clearly music just isn’t your strong point.

  11. dave 12

    Perhaps that “Auckland artist” was Chris Knox.

  12. Nice attempt at a beat-up, except it isn’t Coldplay, any more than Good Charlotte’s Where Would We Be Now is Coldplay. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXRePAnS57w

    Or this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=aNfOujMlotE&mode=related&search=

    While you’re emailing Chris Martin, ask him if he agrees with Peter Van Wood’s claim that Coldplay stole Clocks from van Wood’s Caviar and Champagne. http://mycoldplay.com/home/index.php/2007/10/20/elderly-dutch-musician-accuses-coldplay-of-plagiarism/

    That will put a different spin on the widely accepted claim that Clocks was inspired by Radiohead’s Like Spinning Plates, if not ripped off entirely.

  13. Lee C 14

    Yes Gruela, I love a bit of balance.

    I wonder what Chris Martin would say about the EFB?

  14. all_your_base 15

    Great idea Dean. Poetry? Haiku perhaps?

    They needed a song
    but without artistic friends–
    they stole one instead

  15. AYB:

    My last comment is apparently awaiting moderation.

  16. r0b 17

    DPF – “my musical talent is somewhere between retarded and non-existent so I can offer no opinion on whether it is too similar or not.”

    You mean there is a subject on which DPF is not an expert? My faith is sorely shaken!

    Someone who posts at kiwibog should pose him a legal question. Just hypothetically of course. Hypothetically, if it was legally found that Keylocks was a ripoff of Clocks, what, legally, would National be guilty of? What sort of penalty should be imposed? DPF should be fairly comfortable rendering a hypothetical legal / intellectual property opinion I would have thought.

  17. this really is puerile, you plums are reduced to a circle jerk over the tune. I would have thought there was much more fertile ground to be covered in the content of the film.

  18. r0b 19

    The issue isn’t “a tune”, the issues are intellectual property, breaking the law, trying to evade the law, and integrity.

  19. all_your_base 20

    Busy weekend Bill. We’re just warming up. You’re presumably not saying that copyright infringement should go unchallenged though?

  20. r0b, spot on. Those are without a doubt the most important issues in NZ politics today. Breaking the law, evading the law and integrity are three issues that hopefully will spur all level headed kiwis into throwing out the current mob of liars and thieves next year.
    Personally I doubt most kiwis have the intellect to realise how bad clarke and co are and will probably go with the party that offers the most bribes.

  21. r0b 22

    “Personally I doubt most kiwis have the intellect to realise how bad clarke and co are and will probably go with the party that offers the most bribes.”

    You have a depressing take on life BB, and a low opinion of your fellow Kiwis. I hope you are able to find some happiness somewhere along the line. (I know, I know, when the evil KKKlarke is overthrown etc – no, I meant real happiness).

  22. r0b, your concern for my personal happiness is touching. Have no fear, we live a very full and happy life up here in the Bay of Islands.
    My low opinion of my fellow kiwis is what it is. Any country that continues to re elect such brazen liars and thieves deserves everything it gets. Luckily for me and mine we are not economic hostages to NZ and have the means and wherewithal to jump the ditch if our quality of life is affected by Labour. So far Clarke and Cullens malfeasance has not effected us, we were in front of the curve on investment property and term deposits and were smart enough to move the bulk of our assets out of the teachers grasp prior to the 2005 election swindle.

  23. redbus 24

    Personally I doubt most kiwis have the intellect to realise how bad clarke and co are and will probably go with the party that offers the most bribes.
    – Well if most Kiwi’s are like you, and God help us if they are, then they certainly wouldn’t have any intelligence. Considering you can’t spell the Prime Ministers surname, then one could comfortably presume your intelligence belongs with the idiocy that I like to call, the ‘faithful commenter’s at Kiwiblog’.

  24. I see you have successfully completed the “attack blogging for leftie bloggers” redbus.
    Rule #1. Nitpick, obfuscate and mock your opponent.
    Rule #2. Never ever respond to the point of the comment, always avoid debating labours criminality (you cannot win).

  25. Dean 26

    allyourbase, that haiku was much, much better. I can see you have a sense of humour.

    Just stick at your poetry, because it’s a lot better than your ability to hear different tones.

  26. redbus 27

    I see you have successfully completed the “attack blogging for leftie bloggers” redbus.
    – That doesn’t make any sense. Are you trying to say that there is a course somewhere that offers that as a subject?

    Never ever respond to the point of the comment
    – You loosely (very, very, loosely I might add), related your first paragraph to another comment. Altogether your comment was utterly pointless, there was nothing other than your incessant babble (I didn’t bother addressing that by the way) and odd spelling of the Rt. Hon. Helen CLARK’s surname.

  27. I see that none of the people who claim it is a coldplay song have yet commented on the following:

    Nice attempt at a beat-up, except it isn’t Coldplay, any more than Good Charlotte’s Where Would We Be Now is Coldplay. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXRePAnS57w

    Or this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=aNfOujMlotE&mode=related&search=

    While you’re emailing Chris Martin, ask him if he agrees with Peter Van Wood’s claim that Coldplay stole Clocks from van Wood’s Caviar and Champagne. http://mycoldplay.com/home/index.php/2007/10/20/elderly-dutch-musician-accuses-coldplay-of-plagiarism/

    That will put a different spin on the widely accepted claim that Clocks was inspired by Radiohead’s Like Spinning Plates, if not ripped off entirely.

  28. utterly pointless! But still had enough of a point to dog whistle you into commenting.

  29. nih 30

    Dog whistling only works on dogs, Bill. Hey, and there you are. Whosagoodboy?

  30. burt 31

    So if National stole the song will you guys be supporting them if they want to validate that theft using retrospective validation?

  31. They also paid for the whole thing with money they did not filch from the public purse.

  32. Billy 33

    Day four of the most pointless beat up in NZ political history.

  33. r0b 34

    And here’s Burt with his favourite word again – “retrospective” . We’ve been over this a couple of times Burt and I – he never replies to the following.

    I have no problem with the retrospective validation of government spending following the 2005 election because:

    (1) It is standard practice for NZ governments to retrospectively validate their spending – this happens most years. (Did you know, Burt, that a National government once retrospectively validated $50 million in illegal spending?).

    (2) It was an issue that needed to be addressed for the functioning of government. Treasury had advised that on the basis of the Auditor-General’s report all party spending since 1989 had probably been unlawful, which therefore left the Government’s books for that period unlawful. Legitimate accounts, which were nothing to do with election spending, were being refused for payment. This situation had to be resolved, and Treasury advised the validating legislation.

    (3) The moral imperative against retrospective legislation is that it has the ability to impose penalties on people who did not know that what they were doing at the time was wrong. This imperative in no way applies here, so there is no in principle objection.

    The rest is politics.

  34. burt 35

    rOb

    Can you show us where you first posted that ?

    Because I did reply, as I commented on:

    Clocking up the royalties

  35. r0b 36

    BB – “They also paid for the whole thing with money they did not filch from the public purse.”

    Whether or not they “paid for the whole thing” is exactly the question, as you’re well aware…

  36. burt 37

    rOb

    So have I got this correct, the govt would have been illegal and the only remedy was to validate it?

    Guess a fress democratic election was out of the question – as was allowing Darnton Vs Clark to proceed.

    Still waiting for that original link so I can show how you only read your own posts then claim other don’t answer you.

  37. Good point r0b, although the basis for your argument is pretty thin I will concede that if they pinched the tune then they should pay for it. But while we are trying to find common ground you should surely agree that stealing the money to pay for a pledge card and then shamelessly passing legislation to validate that theft is a lot more serious.
    your point (3) asserting that labour did not know they were stealing is a crock. media reports at the time stated that H2 forced this through despite receiving a warning not to.

  38. r0b 39

    Can you show us where you first posted that ?
    Because I did reply, as I commented on:
    http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=782

    Your reply in that thread was three days later – I missed it. And in any case, by a “reply” Burt, I mean something of substance.

    So have I got this correct, the govt would have been illegal and the only remedy was to validate it?

    After the Auditor-General’s rulings in 2005, government and other party’s spending since 1989 was of questionable legality. Treasury advised the validating legislation. Retrospective validation of government spending was in any case standard practice.

    There’s nothing hard about this stuff Burt, it only reads like a vast left wing conspiracy if you get all your opinions from Kiwiblog.

  39. r0b 40

    BB – “Good point r0b, although the basis for your argument is pretty thin I will concede that if they pinched the tune then they should pay for it.”

    Jolly good BB, I appreciate the reasonable approach.

    “But while we are trying to find common ground you should surely agree that stealing the money to pay for a pledge card and then shamelessly passing legislation to validate that theft is a lot more serious.”

    I certainly agree that it would have been far more serious if that is what had actually happened. But Labour did not steal money. They followed the same procedure as in previous elections. When this was – to use Burt’s fave word – retrospectively found to be improper, they paid the money back (although they were not required to do so). Hardly theft.

    “(3) asserting that labour did not know they were stealing is a crock.

    That’s not the point addressed by (3) at all.

    I’ve been invited out to dessert (hurrah!) so I might have to catch any replies to his later on…

  40. Lee C 41

    Hey R0b – those idiots that wrote the editorial for the Sunday Star Times are evidently in need of some information from you about the ‘Tyranny of the Majority’ and A ‘level playing field’ to put them straight, their attitudes towards the EFB sound remarkably like some of mine:

    “The trouble is that the minor improvements in the bill do not outweigh the wider harm. The hapless Mark Burton hatched this measure in secrecy. He discussed it in dark rooms with other politicians for a long time before revealing it to the public. He and his Labour colleagues never even tried to put the case for state funding and a ban on donations, the only really plausible means of reforming election finances. Instead they cobbled together a shambolic bill that has needed changing up till the last minute of its ignominious life.

    The public has, quite rightly, disliked this stealth and was, quite rightly, alarmed by some of the early and wildly anti-democratic clauses limiting real freedom of speech. This is not the way to make important constitutional changes. The voters will remain deeply hostile to these changes and nothing the politicians now say will change their minds. Labour must therefore scrap the bill and do it the hard way. Call a Royal Commission and investigate from the ground up, slowly, and allow a proper debate about all the issues not just those sparked by a hopeless, nasty, bungled bill. Then trust the people and their representatives to make a wise decision.”

    Or is the VDS going to call this down by quoating a left-wing academic’s accusation that the SST of becoming a ‘propaganda organ ofg the National Party’ like they did to the Herald?

  41. burt 42

    rOb

    Yeh sure my reply to your post of “he never replies to the following” was a few days later, but the original replies were not. So you can find the comment to cut-and-paste it but you can’t provide a link.

    That’s very sad. Shooting the messenger using lies makes you look really silly rOb.

    How about that original link where according to you I never replied, shall I go digging for it for you?

  42. Pacman 43

    Do you guys really think that John Key got onto his copy of apple garageband and whipped up this tune? If it was an infringement wouldn’t it be the sole responsibility of the production company who made the DVD (unless John said “I want that clocks tune in the intro”). If the production company used a pirated copy of software or maybe the credits used a font that they had illegally downloaded would this also be John Key and National’s fault?

  43. burt 44

    rOb

    Here we are: http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=733#comment-5368

    Oh look, my reply was all of 6 minutes later…..

    And you just sidestepped my question in my reply by denigrating me. But since you want to bring it back up again, lets see if you can attack the message rather than the messenger this time.

    “Hey tell me, if I file 14 years worth of illegal tax returns can I just pass laws to validate it? Can I wipe out any court cases that are in progress because of it ? Furthermore if I use tax money to finance an advertising campaign can I get as long as I like to pay it back without penalties or UOMI interest.

    The points you make and are comfortable with under the banner of “such is politics” is why people like you get called Labour apologists.

  44. Robinsod 45

    Oh I can see you righties have been having a right little time of it tonight.

    Burt – you are a fool, you’ve been spouting the same shit from here since you made your first post. People respond to you with reasoned arguments and facts and you ask the same question again. Here’s a tip Burt – if you behave like a troll you will be slapped down like a troll. Though I’ve got to say I like you more than Bill – frankly that guy gives me the creeps, at least you’re just a good old fashioned bigot.

  45. Gruela 46

    An interesting question remains, and it was brought up by Visitor at the beginning of this thread: Do National use Coldplay’s Clocks at their party conference in August? If so, then there’s no hiding behind the ‘it was outsourced to a production company’ argument.

    Does anyone have any evidence to answer this question, either pro or con?

  46. burt 47

    rOb

    (1) It is standard practice for NZ governments to retrospectively validate their spending – this happens most years.

    OK, that was news to me. Can you support this with some links, how much and typically for what reasons would be most interesting. Clearly if it’s ever happened before with election spending then there is no excuse for what happened in 2005. Ignorance of the law is no excuse for us common people and being a recidivist brings harsher penalties.

    It was an issue that needed to be addressed for the functioning of government. Treasury had advised that on the basis of the Auditor-General’s report all party spending since 1989 had probably been unlawful, which therefore left the Government’s books for that period unlawful. Legitimate accounts, which were nothing to do with election spending, were being refused for payment. This situation had to be resolved.

    Hence the 14 years of illegal tax returns analogy. Is it just me who wonders why retrospective legislation was drafted in such a way that the offenders had no liability for their actions whatsoever? Just being able to legislate the books legal again with no consequences is something that shouldn’t be reserved for the politicians, Enron would have loved that power!

    The moral imperative against retrospective legislation is that it has the ability to impose penalties on people who did not know that what they were doing at the time was wrong.

    Ignorance is no excuse, I’ve never heard “unless you are a politician” quoted after that, but this seems to be what you are implying? It was hysterical when Labour were clambering around saying the electoral laws were difficult to understand, as if that makes it OK!

  47. Robinsod 48

    Burt – this bollocks has been answered again and again. Stop being dull.

  48. Tane 49

    For all the right complains about lefties jacking threads, they do seem to have a habit of trying to turn every single thread into a debate about the pledge card and the EFB, no matter how tenuous the link.

  49. outofbed 50

    So what happens now about the nicked music ?
    Anyone any ideas ?

  50. A Lawyer 51

    Hello everyone, I am A Lawyer.

    burt, I must tell you that everything rOb has said on this post has been completely correct as regards current New Zealand statutes, and that your arguments are groundless.

    Thank you for your time.

  51. burt 52

    Gruela

    If John Keys marketing ‘team’ have breached copyright laws they somebody should face the consequences. Pretty simple really.

    Perhaps rOb being the pillar of non partisan thinking might come up with something like.

    1. They had used the track before and nobody had complained, then there was some unusual rulings made, you know the referee changed the rules on them.

    2. Their marketing campaign’s had always been funded to this level and therefore they were just doing what they had always done – we should just move on and stop harping on about the fact it was $50K .

    3. It was in the publics best interest to ignore it, National are the opposition and a parliament without an opposition is undemocratic, we simply can’t have them facing legal proceedings. It will be valid to squash and legal proceedings against them.

    The progress on this subject is great.

    IrishBill – Shock horror it’s Coldplay.
    Tane – Oh my god they paid for clocks
    all_your_base – You decide.

  52. Visitor 53

    Gruela

    Click on this pop-up video of John Key at National’s conference. Wait approx 15 seconds, and you will hear Clocks.

    http://tvnz.co.nz/view/video_popup_windows_skin/1272067

    Perhaps the mystery Auckland composer could tell us if this is his/her work too.

  53. outofbed 54

    Burt forgive me but you seem to be really really angry I do know you have been making improvements though You did used to say Labour good National bad a lot. Now ist EFB related . Change is good
    You don’t want to end up like d4J
    look after your self
    I love you despite everything

  54. outofbed 55

    I didn’t mean in a girlyman sorta way
    I meant a sorta son of god sorta way

  55. burt 56

    A Lawyer

    Excellent, so something was required to be done. Yes that’s obvious. Something was done. No argument with that.

    I’m disappointed that nobody (even a Lawyer like yourself) seems to engage in debate on what was done, rather than the fact it was necessary and it was done.

  56. A Lawyer 57

    outofbed

    That was nice. I love burt too. He cares deeply.

  57. Gruela 58

    Whoops

    That last post by A Lawyer was supposed to be under my nickname. I think I just busted myself.

  58. deemac 59

    if you are the party of business, you should be able to understand the concept of intellectual property and why it is important to check you have the right to use material
    some of the NP defenders here sound ever more bitter and twisted – failing to respond to actual points and repeating their pledge card soundbites
    they really seem to believe that their rich and powerful friends have a natural right to be in government
    indeed, some of them are so angry about the perceived unfairness of the situation that it makes you worry about their blood pressure…

  59. Gruela 60

    Sorry, burt. Couldn’t help myself.

  60. Tane 61

    Tane – Oh my god they paid for clocks

    Burt, what I said was:

    Are National paying Coldplay their royalties for use of their property? They are legally required to do so, as APRA, the body responsible for collecting artists’ royalties, explains.

    And, if National are paying out royalties to one of the world’s biggest bands on top of the $50,000 plus in other expenses, how much have National’s secret backers paid out for this 13 minute homage to John Key’s ego?

    I stand by what I said. The theme song on Key’s DVD is Clocks. It may be a cover, it may be a remix. It may be a cover of a remix. But one way or another, it’s Clocks. And from what Graeme Downes had to say, National are probably liable for royalties.

  61. r0b 62

    I took one link out of this so it doesn’t get caught in moderation. Moderators, no need to post the copy or copies in the moderation queue – sorry ’bout that…

    Burt – “Here we are: [link] Oh look, my reply was all of 6 minutes later.”

    As I said Burt, by “reply” I meant something substantive, not nonsense about kids with chocolate on their faces.

    “lets see if you can attack the message rather than the messenger this time”

    This is your standard line whenever you lose an argument Burt.

    “Hey tell me, if I file 14 years worth of illegal tax returns can I just pass laws to validate it?”

    No you can’t. Is that relevant?

    Now, in your later post you get on to something a bit more like coherent debate. Bravo!

    (1) It is standard practice for NZ governments to retrospectively validate their spending – this happens most years.

    “OK, that was news to me. Can you support this with some links, how much and typically for what reasons would be most interesting.”

    My source here is Hon Peter Dunne, who said “That is standard practice, and Parliament passes similar legislation virtually every year to validate various expenditures caught this way, often to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.” The link is here: http://www.laws179.co.nz/2006/10/validating-legislation-peter-dunnes.html

    As to an annual breakdown for the last 50 years, that I can’t provide you Burt, I’m really not that much of a politics geek. I’ll leave it as an exercise for the reader.

    “Is it just me who wonders why retrospective legislation was drafted in such a way that the offenders had no liability for their actions whatsoever? Just being able to legislate the books legal again with no consequences is something that shouldn’t be reserved for the politicians, Enron would have loved that power!”

    The Auditor-General’s ruling retrospectively called spending since 1989, which had previously been seen as legal, into question. A law change retrospectively re-established the legal status quo so that the government could continue to function.

    You condemn the law change because it applied retrospectively, to be consistent you should also condemn the Auditor-General’s ruling because it applied retrospectively.

    Or, looked at another way, a “crime” was retrospectively created and retrospectively abolished again. No puppies were harmed in the process. Kiwiblog sold you one fanatical side of the story without the other.

    The moral imperative against retrospective legislation is that it has the ability to impose penalties on people who did not know that what they were doing at the time was wrong.

    “Ignorance is no excuse, I’ve never heard “unless you are a politician” quoted after that, but this seems to be what you are implying?”

    You are misunderstanding the point the “moral imperative” argument. It is not proposing that ignorance is an excuse. It is a moral argument against laws that retrospectively create crimes. My point was that the government’s legislation was OK because it was not an example of a law that created crimes / punished people. Although it now occurs to me that it is actually an argument against exactly what the Auditor-General did.

    Goodnight Burt.

  62. outofbed 63

    Burt
    Arse meet plate

  63. outofbed 64

    I just want to apolgise to those people who believe in The son of God stuff

    I’m sorry if it caused offense

    I don’t really think I am Jesus
    All though my father was a chippie
    And my Grandmother was Jewish

  64. Gruela 65

    rOb

    Wow, that was a great post. One day, when I’m grown up, I’d like to write as clearly and instructively as that.

    Hopefully now even burt will get the point.

  65. Dean 67

    Tane said:

    “I stand by what I said. The theme song on Key’s DVD is Clocks. It may be a cover, it may be a remix. It may be a cover of a remix. But one way or another, it’s Clocks.”

    No, no it’s not.

    Now, look. I understand that you may not have the best musical appreciation or even the best hearing. It is indeed very similar to “Clocks” by Coldplay, but the exact same song it is not.

    As I previously said, National may very well be liable for legal action on this, certain circumstances pending. But to claim it’s the same song is just ludicrous.

    Seriously Tane, you need to stop talking about this before you start to look silly. There are plenty of better things to take the National party to task over compared to this.

    By the way, what’s your opinion of Mallard’s outburst as pertaining to employment rights?

  66. nih 68

    From musical appreciation to Mallard in one post, you certainly are a whirlwind of nonsense.

    Of course the song is Clocks, you’d have to be deluding yourself to think otherwise. And that really is the key here, isn’t it dean?

    I think the erstwhile readers who can’t be here every day are going to get confused. Do us a favour and just use the one account, eh champ?

  67. Dean 69

    And here we go again with the “one account” accusations.

    That’s a whirlwind of nonsense if ever there was one.

    And I am sorry if you are tone deaf, but that’s just the way it is. You can keep deluding yourself to think otherwise, but that really is the key here, isnt it?

    Here’s a hint, since you’re finding it so hard to understand. The notes – those are things that make up an octave – are different in both pieces of music.

  68. nih 70

    Here we go with the endless repetition of the same false statement. You’re starting to make me wonder if you really do work for the National party. Nobody else would defend such obvious theft so tirelessly.

    And yes, it would be entirely farcical to accuse you of only using one account.

    Astroturfing, for when your cause just isn’t fucked enough.

  69. r0b 71

    “Wow, that was a great post. One day, when I’m grown up, I’d like to write as clearly and instructively as that.”

    Cheers Gruela. But I do go on a bit. I’m a big fan of your razor sharp and pithy contributions.

    “Hopefully now even burt will get the point.”

    There are signs that Burt may be trying to engage with the facts. We live in hope.

    My post last night did oversimplify a bit. If I am interpreting Hon Peter Dunne correctly, the validating legislation restored the legal status quo with respect to the historical situation (spending since 1989). It did not absolve parties of consequences following the election (e.g. although not legally required to, parties paid back funds).

  70. Lee C 72

    As posted on the other blog repeated here for balance:

    “There is a brilliant irony that the Standard set out to be a more civilised forum to discuss issues, yet its commenters seem hell-bent on reaching all new levels of creepiness.”

    Well I’d argue that the VDS was set up to run a smear and chatter campaign. It purports to be for the ‘Labour Movement’ and yet I have seen litle outrage expressed when a worker is sacked, bullied from Parliament, or (another) factory closes.
    Nothing about all the shortages of doctors, nurses or teachers, just lots of outrage about every little minute picky little detail of anything to do with John Key. It’s going on right now, in the face of the recent protests and editorials about the EFB – silence.

    But ask them about the copyright issue around the soundtrack to Key’s DVD and man, they are really ‘on it’!

  71. Robinsod 73

    Lee – there are plenty of industrial stories on the standard. You’re doing that thing where you make stuff up again. As far as creepy – IP is referring to my personal campaign to out him. It’s good to see it’s getting under his skin ‘cos it’s exactly the sort of bullshit he’s been pulling for years. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – you right wing folk need to take a long hard look at the way you behave. I seem to recall threads on the bog where you posted repeatedly about the sexual inadequacies. Creepy, anyone?

    Oh and Lee – did you actually make it to the anti EFB march this time or were you too busy to take a stand against this “fascist bill” again?

  72. r0b 74

    I believe the usual response to this kind of criticism, Lee, is as follows. If you don’t like The Standard, start your own blog…

  73. Robinsod 75

    That should be “the sexual inadequacies of left wing commenters”

  74. Robinsod,

    Given that most of the contributors to this blog, and kiwiblogblog, for that matter, use pseudonyms, I hardly think you’d be getting a whole lot of support in your creepy campaign to stalk me.

    I do hope DPF gives Sam an opportunity to apologise unreservedly for defacing DPF’s wikipedia entry.

  75. The Double Standard 77

    I’ve got a great idea – why doesn’t the standard start an online petition calling for strict enforcement of copyright laws against NZ’ers.

    I’m sure you’d get at least 5000 sigs eh, just like you didn’t for the pathetic “war is over” attempt.

    Perhaps you’d like to organise a march down Q street to support the rights of coldpay as you interpret them? I’m sure at least 5 people would show up.

    I’m sure you standardistas think you on to something exciting here, but really – is that the best you can do? Perhaps Teh Party could fund G Downes to perform an in depth study for our edification? I’m sure they have a little taxpayer funds handy.

    Meanwhile, out in the real world, beyond The Standards pathetically cozy little self-reinforcing dreamtime, life goes on…..

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10479722

  76. Billy 78

    Robinsod:

    “you right wing folk need to take a long hard look at the way you behave.”

    Sam, care to respond to this?

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/12/wikipedia_vandalism.html#comments

  77. Robinsod 79

    Billy – I think you’ll find that compared to the attacks Clark’s page has suffered on wiki this is very minor. For the record I don’t condone it but I’d be interested to see where DPF stands on the right wing wiki vandals he allows to comment (I’m sure there are more than a few).

    DPFDbleStdClaws – “standardistas” nice – I liked it when you called me Robespierre too. Why did you stop?

    Prick – Squirm all you like. You know you’ve had this coming for a while now and so does everyone else. That’s why nobody (left or right) is supporting your “grievance”. Suck it up.

  78. I’m not squirming, Robinsod. I think it’s excellent that you’re showing your true creepy colours. For a guy who at various points claims that I’m a nobody, you sure are putting a lot of effort into exposing who this nobody is.

    First we have Sam being exposed as a wikipedia vandal, and now you are stalking other bloggers. It really isn’t a very uplifting day for the Left online, is it? It’s a sad moment, really: so obsessed, bitter, and envious are kiwiblogblog and the Standard with the success of the National Party, that they have no time to trumpet the achievements of this tired and hollow Labour Government.

    But nice try justifying your creepiness, Robinsod. Let’s have a snapshot of some of the bile you’ve posted in the last six weeks:

    #

    Nov 2nd, 2007 at 11:31 am
    And Lee do you still beat your wife. Don’t you have a job or something?

    Nov 19th, 2007 at 2:24 pm
    IP – quick take that story to the herald, your facts are obviously watertight! You’re full of shit prick.

    Nov 14th, 2007 at 7:37 am
    Bill you psychopath – I’ve been getting a good night’s sleep. You should try it some time. It may reduce your psychosis.

    Nov 14th, 2007 at 9:21 am
    Yes Bil, just as well. I’m sure Whale’s respect for you will increase now – he may even acknowledge you on the street. When you act like Whale’s sycophant you really show how much you are on the lunatic fringe of the lunatic fringe, Bill.

    Oct 19th, 2007 at 2:02 pm
    Wodge, why would I bother talking to you – you’re just a punter for crying out loud.

    Oct 19th, 2007 at 10:11 pm
    Burt – you’re a pugnacious bastard, I’ll give you that. Obtuse for sure but pugnacious. You’re not a computer programme are you?

    Nov 6th, 2007 at 2:05 pm
    IP – I’d charge you but I don’t think you could afford to pay me out out of your benefit. Go back to punter-land son.

    Oct 14th, 2007 at 2:05 pm
    Burt you are the most consistently disingenuous commenter I’ve seen for a while. Have you considered Ritalin for your problem?

    Oct 31st, 2007 at 10:05 am
    Claws – I said “Fuck off”

    Oct 15th, 2007 at 8:23 pm
    Burt – you’re wrong. You’ve asked this shit before and you don’t listen to the answers. Fuck off and take your Ritalin.

    Nov 15th, 2007 at 7:47 pm
    Really DPF claws? Not at all like how you scored the exclusive polling contract for National?

    Nov 15th, 2007 at 9:20 pm
    Question time in the house today was frustrating as Labour sought to lie about why the were not releasing the papers from the Ministry of Justice.
    Are you frustrated Monty? You could always try wanking. It won’t really make you go blind (and that’s not the only lie your mum told you). Go on monty – it’ll make you feel calmer and it’s better than spraying your vile lickspittle juice over the pages of the standard. For true bro.

    Nov 16th, 2007 at 2:24 pm
    DPF Claws – Fuck off (that should give you the victim-fix you’re after)

    Robinsod (moderator)
    Nov 7th, 2007 at 10:29 am
    DPF Claws – Of course I took my smart pills (hint: you can tell ‘cos I’m smarter than you). Did you take your neuroleptics? I’m sure they’re helping with your multiple personality disorder.
    19 Tane
    Nov 7th, 2007 at 10:35 am
    ‘sod bro, stop being a dick. You’re not a moderator. Nobody in their right mind would let you moderate anything – you can’t even moderate your own behaviour.

    Oct 31st, 2007 at 5:48 pm
    .and Clem (nah he’s old isn’t he) and Chester and Pansy (I quite like her) and Georgina whoops she’s still on the party shit-list for being brown isn’t she (oh and it was so funny when Gerry was Maori spokesman wasn’t it? and there’s.

    Oct 31st, 2007 at 9:35 pm
    What like you?? Get real santa and/or fuck off.

    Oct 31st, 2007 at 3:18 pm
    Yo Santa – I was just concerned for your education, there’s no need to come over all catty. Oh yeah – Fuck off (I think I forgot last time)

    Nov 1st, 2007 at 3:22 pm
    Bryce – you’re an arse. I’ve been following your comments on this blog for a while and (surprisingly for me) keeping my mouth shut but someone from the libertarian left has to say this mate – you’re living in a dream world if you think bagging Labour with Tory lines (‘cos that’s what you’re recycling) is going to make things better.

    Nov 13th, 2007 at 9:57 pm
    Bill you old psychopath – they let you out! How’d you get away with it? I hear you carved your initials in her corpse – is that true bro?

    Nov 13th, 2007 at 11:08 pm
    Bill – you sound like you’re losing it. Don’t hurt anyone and try not to sent anymore hate mail to Helen – the SIS is gonna have to stop being understanding about it at some stage, ok?

  79. Robinsod 81

    Prick – Cheers bro, I’d forgot how damn funny I am. But this is the last time I answer you boy ‘cos all of your fake indignation trolling is getting dull.

    Oh and Prick, I’m getting closer…

  80. Sure you are, stalker.

  81. Tane 83

    Robinsod: TDS didn’t even invent standardistas – a left commenter invented it a while back and I even replied that I liked it. Let him use it I reckon.

    As for your feud with IP, I suggest you both back off and stop the childish nonsense. How about you both stop trying to out people and focus on the issues instead? That’ll be a lot more fun for everyone, yourselves included.

  82. Robinsod 84

    Tane – Fair enough bro. Posting seems to have slowed down – when are we gonna see a new one?

  83. The Double Standard 85

    “TDS didn’t even invent standardistas – a left commenter invented it a while back and I even replied that I liked it. Let him use it I reckon.”

    What you think I read everything on the internet that you right, just so I can parrot it here? Well, I guess if it makes you feel intellectually superior or something go ahead? You’re getting as bad as Robbo (who is still waiting for the guillotine to fall on him)

    cap: “$3 each insults” ??? Why pay when you can get insulted for free here?

  84. Tane 86

    Sorry ‘sod, I’ve got a lot of work on and just don’t have the time. If any of them are reading, it’d be a good time for some of my fellow standardistas to pick up some of the slack.

  85. Robinsod 87

    What you think I read everything on the internet that you right, just so I can parrot it here? Well, I guess if it makes you feel intellectually superior or something go ahead? You’re getting as bad as Robbo (who is still waiting for the guillotine to fall on him)

    Ok bro – from the start: there should be some punctuation after “what” such as an n-dash or a comma. You also mean “write” not “right” and there should be a full stop instead of a question mark after “go ahead” (hint: it’s not a question). Well done on the correct use of the apostrophe in “you’re” though.

    Now I’m not saying I feel intellectually superior to you bro… No, scratch that, I am… I’d struggle not to when you write “right” instead of “write”.

  86. Billy 88

    Yeah guys. Concentrate on the real issues.

    Is it Clocks or not? This is the greatest issue facing our New Zealand. We have a right to know.

  87. SweeetD 89

    This blog has gone to the dogs. Little boys (and you know who you are), there are many more important issues to discuss than the a song by Coldplay. I would me more concerend abouts NZ’s falling position in the OECD.

    This all reminds me about Nero fiddling while Rome burns.

    Stick to the important issues and we might see Labour’s polling go up, eh?!?!

  88. Robinsod 90

    Billy – that’s the issue of this thread. If you don’t want to discuss it comment on another thread or another blog.

  89. PhilBest 91

    The only people making any sense here are Dean and the others who actually know a bit about music.

    “Clocks” by Coldplay, consists of one four-bar chord sequence: Tonic; Dominant minor; Dominant minor (again), Supertonic Minor.

    And that’s it, for several mind-numbing minutes, which is how anyone with any REAL musical taste will regard any Coldplay song.

    There have been ample legal precedents for what does or doesn’t constitute a breach of copyright on a song. The song “My Sweet Lord” by George Harrison, was held to be identical, over a reasonably long and distinctive sequence of chord changes and melody, to “He’s So Fine”, by the Drifters. Harrison himself agreed with the verdict, although most people were prepared to accept his assertion that the original song must have been in his subconscious since childhood, and his “plagiarisation” was unintentional. It would be unthinkable for artists of Harrison’s status to do this sort of thing deliberately.

    A similar situation occurred with “Feelings” – identical to an earlier song called “Dime”. However, someone who had a go at the BeeGees over “How deep is your love” did not succeed, only because of a very minor difference.

    Now in the case of the above songs, they were quite distictive regarding both chord sequence and melody, over as much as sixteen consecutive different chords. No-one has EVER established a legal copyright over a sequence of 3 chords. The legal precedents involve that this would be impossible and ridiculous. Could someone copyright the chord sequence for “Happy Birthday to You”? Or establish a copyright over the idea of painting a bowl of fruit, not just one particular painting, but of any painting of ANY bowl of fruit?

    The riff in the John Key video is NOT “Clocks”, performed by Coldplay. It is the same chord sequence, played on different instruments and with a duple bicord rythmic motive instead of a 3-note arpeggio. That is different enough for the purposes of this debate. The “Auckland artist” may well have known what he was doing.

    Graeme Downes might like to make a fool of himself over this, as of course it is a typical leftist ploy to extract mileage out of a framed-up political charge in the knowledge that by the time the record has been set straight, the ignorant public has well and truly got the false idea embedded in their tiny minds. (Like “Bush Lied”, same sort of thing.)

    Chris Martin of Coldplay would be very, very stupid indeed to buy into this, because the same precedents that would protect the John Key video, protect Chris Martin himself from being sued over “Clocks” itself, as the clear-headed “Dean” has pointed out above. The examples given by Dean are all comparatively recent, and I have no doubt that musicologists that go back further will be able to trot out dozens of such examples, where the “Clocks” theme has BEEN DONE BEFORE.

    Any real music buff is just plain derisive of how the pop music industry recycles the most inane catchy themes over and over for the ignorant teenagers and the tin-eared rockers. I always thought that people on the the hard left were frequently devoid of 1: Faith in a supreme being, and 2: a sense of humour. Now, I seem to find, they’re musical dumb-arses too.

  90. Tane 92

    I would me more concerend abouts NZ’s falling position in the OECD.

    I’ve actually been meaning to comment on that article. Again, lack of time. I’m sorry I can’t blog full time for your benefit, but contrary to rumour I’m not paid full time by the Labour Party to do so.

  91. Billy 93

    Godd suggestion, Robinsod. If I did want to comment on this pressing “Clocks crisis” I could comment on any of the three posts in the last five on devoted to the topic.

    But I don’t.

    And nor, it appears, does anyone else.

  92. Robinsod 94

    Well you could always comment on a different blog… But I know what you mean Billy, they’ve kinda flogged this one to death – that’s why I was asking Tane for a new post. I’m interested to see the response to the other frontpage story in the Weekend Herald.

  93. That is an astonishingly lucid response, Phil. It smacks the Standard’s lame claims out of the park.

    I suggest you repost that every time either the Standard or Kiwiblogblog lies about the Coldplay song.

    It’s ironic that Coldplay is currently being sued over the origins of Clocks.

  94. Matthew Pilott 96

    I can only take it as a solid compliment, to the The Standard bloggers, from the likes of Billy, Lee C and co that are always demanding more content from this blog – you guys just can’t get enough eh? I know how you feel.

  95. outofbed 97

    PARANOIAC POST OF THE DAY ( so far )THE BOG

    # Yvette Says:
    December 3rd, 2007 at 8:32 am

    I’ll make the obvious comment: it is of course ironic that these medals are stolen in the same week as the EFB returns to Parliament to erode the democratic rights these New Zealanders fought for – and watch: the medals will receive much more hysterical media coverage while the EFB will pass pretty well unnoticed by the general public, indicating indeed that “Lest we forget” is rather forgotten, which most unfortunately will relegate the medals to the real importance in which they are held – as much a display and PR occasion as Helen Clark’s Paschendale observations.

  96. Robinsod 98

    Graeme Downes might like to make a fool of himself over this

    Phil – you’re obviously a reasonable musically educated amateur but Downes holds a doctorate and teaches this stuff. I have to say I’d take his opinion over yours. (If it makes you feel any better I’d take your opinion on this over many of the people making comments on this thread – though your random “higher power” comment make me a little suspicious of your judgment).

  97. Daveo 99

    True the standard have given a lot of attention to Clocks but then they did make the front page of the Herald with it so full credit to them. I’m glad to see blogs breaking out into the mainstream media, although it would have been nice to see the standard given some credit.

  98. outofbed 100

    I am on the left and I believe in a supreme being
    http://www.venganza.org/
    One of the fastest growing churches in the world

  99. The Double Standard 101

    “I’d struggle not to when you write “right” instead of “write”.”

    I do try to toss you a bone occasionally Robbo

    🙂

    Anyway, that’s what I get for rushing a post when heading out the door. Unfortunately I don’t always have time to get my copy of Strunk and White down from the shelf.

  100. Matthew Pilott 102

    PhilBest, what do you think of the general concept of making vague alterations to a song on order to sidestep paying any royalties?

    (try to get off your musical high-horse, if that’s do-able, and look at it from a different point of view. Pick your favourite song, and then imagine it bastardised so a third party can avoid having to give any credit to the original artist, despite the fact that it would be fully obvious that it is a rip-off and was deliberately intended to sound just like the original to a listener’s ears, with only enough changes to make a legal difference, and a minimal one from a music perspective).

    Would you be down with that hypothetical situation PB?

  101. Daveo,

    Have you got any response to Phil Best’s comments above?

  102. the bean 104

    Diary of a song search

    Day one: (some time before National Party conference, we struggle to remember policy etc so actual dates are fucked)

    Murray: hey John, now you are leader of our wonderful party you get to make the REALLY tough decisions. So what song do you want them to play when you come running downs the aisle of the most expensive hotel in town, trying to pretend you are a mainstream man of the people whilst surrounded by a crowd of bald, middle aged rich whities in suits?

    John: jeeze muzza, that is a tough one! Do I have to make this decision? It took me all that time to decide what suit to wear when I played volleyball with all those darkies. I dunno if I should be trusted with this choice.

    Murray: ok john, I have the perfect solution

    John: yes muzza.

    Murray: we will put it on your website and let other people decide. That way we can’t be accused of supporting it or being against it- the people will have chosen. We also thought we might try this later with any possible “policy”. http://www.johnkey.co.nz/index.php?/archives/174-VIDEO-Journal-14-Suggest-a-theme-song!.html

    John: shit that is a good idea muzza, lucky you are the brains of this outfit

    Muzza: outfit? Don’t talk fucking clothes again john, people will think you are vacuous.

    Day Six:

    John (calls): Bronaghldkiweur! How do I work my webpage honey bunch?

    Oooo look coldplay clocks as a suggestion! I like them. Their songs really speak to my heart and I wanted to name my kid “apple”

    (points at picture of Chris martin beside desk and squeals) twins!

    Day of National Party conference:

    John (waltzing down the aisle of conference singing): Am I part of the cure or am I part of the disease (stops finger to lips) ooooooo that is like sooooo deep and stuff.

    Day 10: National Party future planning day

    Murray: so John, what kind of future do you want for the National party? Plans? Ideas? Policy

    John: Coldplay, “Clocks”

    Murray: no, no John we need policy. Like how will we run the country etc whatever

    John: I WANT CLOCKS!!!!

    Murray: Fuck Gerry, he is going a bit purple. We better get him that song before he lies on the floor and kicks

    Gerry: but what about copyright Murray?

    Murray: fuck that Gerry, NZers are dumb enough to fall for Brash’s orewa speech. I bet they don’t even know what copyright is. Change a couple of notes and they will be none the wiser. Kind of like what we are doing with this policy document I dredged up titled “Ruth’s ten ways to screw NZ”

  103. Billy 105

    Same post? You decide.

    Poetic justice?

    Clocking up the royalties

    Bean, have you been working on that since Thursday?

  104. the bean 106

    awww thanks billy, you think my comment is soooo good it must have taken me four and a half days to write. *blush*

  105. The Double Standard 107

    Hey Bean, are your writers on strike too?

  106. the bean 108

    na the writers are scabs DUH

  107. the sprout 109

    that wasn’t entirely fair Beany, when jonkey played volleyball wit da bros, he did un-tuck his Armani shirt. certainly had me fooled he was just a regular guy.
    just like when he went on that fake spontaneous tour with Aroha from McGehan Close, who’s mum and nana wewre both patients of Dr Jaqui Blue, and who jonkey just happened to spontaneously bump into.
    hmm come to think of it, i understand Aroha’s mum has since got a spontaneous job in jonkey’s electorate office.

  108. Robinsod 110

    Baen – you’re back! Thank god, we’ve all got a little nasty while you’ve been away. Please spread your calming influence here. I’ll try to be more civil if it helps…

  109. the sprout 111

    oh and as for the original thread topic, the fact that so many people have assumed it’s a coldpaly song is precisely why a copyright case would see National pinged.

  110. Matthew Pilott 112

    Insolent Prick,

    Are you going to ask PhilBest if he has a response to my question above?

    Seeing as you did the same to Daveo… I thought you might be being the enforcer here, lift your game, boy!

  111. PhilBest 113

    Only just got around to looking at this again, Matthew Pilott. Only too glad to respond.

    MY favourite song would be distinctive enough that if someone ripped it off, it would be obvious. If some band did a song that sounded like “Happy birthday to you” that actually became extremely popular, and a politician gave ME the job of writing and recording something similar, I would have no hesitation in doing it, I would regard it as “fair game” and would be confident that no copyright lawyer could touch me.

    I note that I am not the only music buff to have made this argument, but we are obviously outnumbered on the politics blogs by people with no interest in music. That goes for Farrar too. Tane is right, the man is only too N-i-i-i-i-ce. No leftwing blogger would fold so easily. Here’s what I just posted on Farrarblog:

    # PhilBest Says:
    December 3rd, 2007 at 6:56 pm

    Fa Pete’s sake Farrar, redbaiter and me are right about you and the Nats folding at the first sign of a fight. Haven’t you been READING the posts from all the guys who know ANYTHING ABOUT MUSIC? I told Tane at the Standard today that I was coming to the conclusion that lefties were Musical dumbarses as well as everything else I already thought of them. Now I suspect that that applies to ALL political stuffed shirts whatever the stripe. READ MY POSTS ON YOUR EARLIER THREADS ON THIS ISSUE, WIMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  112. PhilBest 114

    outofbed: you DO have a sense of humour, and the “big spaghetti in the sky” site did make me chuckle too, but your attitude is unfortunately typical of that of leftists to religious believers.(So much for multiculturalism and tolerance). I note that not one of the regular contributors has raised his hand to say “hey, I’m a bible-believing Christian (or whatever)”.

  113. Matthew Pilott 115

    If some band did a song that sounded like “Happy birthday to you” that actually became extremely popular, and a politician gave ME the job of writing and recording something similar, I would have no hesitation in doing it

    I dislike Coldplay and that made me laugh.

    Sorry for such a late reply to you, but –

    Still, my point is it’s more the principle – the spirit if not the letter of the law, and National wasn’t left with any choice, especially since they’d made their intent obvious by using the song at their conference. Different I know – but it was sure meant to sound like it…

    I also noted that if it was trying to sound like Clocks (to the uneducated or no) then the DVD could be in breach of the fairtrading act!

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    "Rendezvous" by David Low, September 1939.DUNEDIN IS THE BIRTHPLACE of, for my money, the world’s greatest cartoonist, David Low. At the height of his powers, in 1930s London, Low’s cartoons represented the visual conscience of the civilised world. His most famous cartoon, “Rendezvous”, penned a few weeks into the Second ...
    3 days ago
  • The UK has a choice as to whether it chooses to be manipulated… or not.
    If you want to study propagandist techniques, you are typically told to study Dictatorships. Not unfair, but what’s always been more interesting to me is so-called “democratic” countries and their broader information systems. Why? Because people opt for it, even as they decry “totalitarian regimes!”.. It’s quite an eye ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    4 days ago
  • Today’s secrecy legislation
    Introducing legislation which shits on the public's right to know seems to have become a daily occurrence for this government. Today's example is the Infrastructure Funding and Financing Bill. The bill establishes a framework for the establishment of "special purpose vehicles" (SPVs) to hide debt from local government balance sheets ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Hard News: Public Address Word of the Year 2019: Time to vote!
    Below is the longlist of words and phrases generated in the korero phase of Public Address Word of the Year 2019, with some editorial moderation. Now it's time to vote. As you'll doubtless be able to see, you get three ranked choices. Use your power wisely. Or frivolously, whatever.As usual, ...
    4 days ago
  • Encryption, passwords, and self-incrimination
    The University of Waikato and New Zealand Law Foundation have released a report today on the law around encryption in New Zealand. There's stuff in there about principles and values, and how proposed government policies to provide for "lawful access" by creating backdoors would destroy the trust which makes encryption ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Drawn
    A ballot for two Member's Bills was held today, and the following bills were drawn: Insurance (Prompt Settlement of Claims for Uninhabitable Residential Property) Bill (Stuart Smith) Social Security (Exemption for Ex Gratia and Compensation Payments) Amendment Bill (Willow-Jean Prime) Neither bill seems likely to be particularly controversial. This is ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Bougainville votes for independence
    Earlier in the month, Bougainvilleans went to the polls in a landmark referendum to decide on whether they would remain part of Papua New Guinea or become independent. Yesterday, the results came in, with over 97% support for independence. The referendum wasn't binding - instead it means negotiations with the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Bus strikes, suspensions and solidarity
    by Daphna Whitmore This week 800 unionised bus drivers in Auckland were suspended from work after they refused to collect fares as part of a campaign of industrial action. Drivers working for Auckland’s largest bus company NZ Bus are asking for more pay and better working conditions after being offered ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    4 days ago
  • How to support after the Whakaari/White Island volcanic eruption
    As details emerge about what unfolded on Whakaari / White Island two days ago, my thoughts go out to all the families affected by this terrible event. My thoughts are also with the first responders who worked in perilous circumstances to assist and protect those affected. Both local and ...
    SciBlogsBy Sarb Johal
    4 days ago
  • Final BMG poll – nothing to see here
    BMG research have unleashed their final poll of the 2019 campaign:Westminster voting intention: CON: 41% (-)LAB: 32% (-)LDEM: 14% (-)GRN: 4% (-)BREX: 3% (-1)via @BMGResearch , 06 - 11 Dec Chgs. w/ 06 Dec That's a bit of a "Dunno why we bothered" sort of poll. "Phillip, I'm afraid I've been a ...
    4 days ago
  • Grant Robertson Spends Up Large – On The Establishment!
    Grant Keeps On Trucking: Out of the $12 billion Robertson has announced for infrastructure investment, $8 billion will be allocated to specific projects, with the balance of $4 billion held in reserve. What does it say about this Government's "transformational" ambitions that 85 percent of that $8 billion is to ...
    4 days ago
  • Boris Johnson … Hides … In a Fridge
    I am not making this up.First few lines of the Dail Mail write up:Boris Johnson's exasperated media minder swore on live TV today as the PM refused to speak to Good Morning Britain before trotting into a fridge as he started an early milkround in Yorkshire. Piers Morgan was visibly ...
    5 days ago
  • Shy Labour Voters?
    In previous elections pollsters have bemoaned the 'shy Tory' - the respondent who is so fearful of being judged as a cruel and heartless bastard by an anonymous pollster, or their spouses, workmates and friends, that they lie about their intention of voting Conservative, skewing the poll figures in Labour's ...
    5 days ago
  • Seven reasons to be wary of waste-to-energy proposals
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    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    5 days ago
  • Reviewing the whitewash
    Back in 2015, then Ombudsman Beverley Wakem conducted a review of the OIA, Not a game of hide and seek. The "review" was a whitewash, which found no need for legislative change, and instead criticised the media and requesters - which destroyed Wakem's reputation, and undermined that of the Office ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • You Gov MRP Poll Out
    So, You Gov's MRP poll - the weird one that tries to reflect what will happen at a constituency level and which pretty much nailed the hung parliament in 2017 - is not looking too good for Labour:
    UK #GE2019 MRP seat projection:CON: 339 (-20)LAB: 231 (+20)SNP: 41 (-2)LDEM: 15 ...
    5 days ago
  • Climate Change: Accountability?
    We've known about climate change for over forty years now,and it has been a major political issue for twenty. And yet fossil fuel companies have kept polluting with impunity, while government have looked the other way and twiddled their thumbs and refused to do anything because "the economy", or just ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Delusional And Irrational: The Rise Of Paranoid Politics In New Zealand.
    Sheer Loopiness: Many of those expressing bemusement at the antics of these #turnardern effacers, were convinced that they were yet another expression of the National Party’s increasingly spiteful anti-government propaganda campaign. They marvelled at the oddness of the perpetrators’ mindset and questioned the common-sense of allowing the rest of New Zealand ...
    5 days ago
  • Things to know about Whakaari/White Island
    Brad Scott, GNS Science VolcanologistThis post was originally published by GeoNet. Following the 9 December devastating eruption at Whakaari/White Island we have put together some information about the island. New Zealand’s most active volcano Whakaari/White Island is currently New Zealand’s most active volcano, it has been since an eruptive episode ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    6 days ago
  • Status quo supports status quo
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • The Greens abandon NeoLiberalism
    Back in 2017, in order to make themselves "electable" in the eyes of rich people who oppose everything they stand for, the Greens signed up for NeoLiberalism, adopting a restrictive set of "Budget Responsibility Rules" which basicly prevented them from using government to make things better. Now, they're finally abandoning ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Lying about a failed war
    Since invading in 2001, the US has consistently claimed that their war in Afghanistan has been going well, even when it continued year after year after year. Of course, they were lying, and thanks to the Washington Post and the US Freedom of Information Act, we get to see just ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Artificial Intelligence and You
    How should we think about artificial intelligence and the implications that it has for our work and leisure? There are many articles on artificial intelligence and its potential impacts on jobs, and the ethics of applications. These are important topics, but I want to focus on some less discussed aspects, ...
    SciBlogsBy Robert Hickson
    6 days ago
  • Statistical manipulation to get publishable results
    I love data. It’s amazing the sort of “discoveries” I can make given a data set and computer statistical package. It’s just so easy to search for relationships and test their statistical significance. Maybe relationships which ...
    6 days ago
  • More lies on the Twitter (Dan Hodges edition)
    The other big story concerning Leeds Hospital is Boris Johnson's bizzare behaviour at Leeds Hospital, where he was confronted by a journalist and challenged about a four year old boy with suspected pneumonia who was left sleeping on the floor, rather than getting  abed like a sick kid would in ...
    6 days ago
  • LabourActivistPunchedMattHancock’sSPADGate
    So, for a brief period of history, it was alleged that a protester had punched Matt Hancock's SPAD (not a euphemism; special adviser) when Hancock visited Leeds Hospital.This was reported by the likes of Robert Peston and Laura Keunssberg, as well as the less credible Guido Fawkes.  It also quickly ...
    6 days ago
  • France’s anti-Zionism is anti-liberté
    by Daphna Whitmore Last week France passed a law that equates anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism. It is based on a definition of anti-Semitism that includes criticism of Israel such as: “Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    7 days ago
  • Another bus lockout
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Climate Change: Showing us how its done
    The government has been congratulating itself over the passage of the Zero Carbon Act, which sets out long-term emissions targets. But those targets are insufficient. Meanwhile, Denmark is showing us how its done:Denmark’s parliament adopted a new climate law on Friday, committing to reach 70% below its 1990 emissions in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Public sector dysfunction should not be allowed to undermine freedom of information
    Another day, another piece of legislation with a secrecy clause. This time its the innocuous-seeming Mental Health and Wellbeing Commission Bill, which (after establishing a new body and making it subject to the OIA in three different ways) includes the rapidly-becoming-standard clauses enabling it to request information from other public ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • “This is England, this knife of Sheffield steel…”
    The state of the United Kingdom is fractured, torn up, shredded. The Empire is gone, it died a long time ago. And yet, the country is still tracking with a lead in favour of the ones who play to the ingrained, class-bound division for political gain. It is a disgrace ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    1 week ago
  • CORSIA, coming soon to an airport near you
    On 27 September, Greta Thunberg addressed a crowd of 500,000 at the School Strike for Climate in Montreal, saying: “You are a nation that is allegedly a climate leader. And Sweden is also a nation that is allegedly a climate leader. And in both cases, it means absolutely nothing. Because ...
    SciBlogsBy Robert McLachlan
    1 week ago
  • Cloaking hate speech and fake news in the right to free expression.
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    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • The Physics (and Economics, and Politics) of Wheelchairs on Planes
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    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • To Advance Civil Rights, Oppose Transgender Extremism
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    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Faafoi should be fired
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Adrian Orr – The Reserve Bank’s Revolutionary Governor?
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    1 week ago
  • Driving Us Up The Poll.
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    1 week ago
  • Jordan Williams, Colin Craig podcast series announced
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    The PaepaeBy Peter Aranyi
    2 weeks ago
  • How plant-based meat is stretching New Zealand’s cultural and legal boundaries
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    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago
  • Scientific integrity requires critical investigation – not blind acceptance
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    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: The shameful reality
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • More secrecy
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Unlikely online bully, Liam Hehir
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    The PaepaeBy Peter Aranyi
    2 weeks ago
  • The Birth Of Israel: Wrong At The Right Time.
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    2 weeks ago
  • Hard News: Public Address Word of the Year 2019: Korero phase
    In an unreliable, strange and confusing world, Public Address is proud to present a measure of comfort and stability by annually asking everyone what words or phrases sum up the year that's been – and then giving some of them consumer goods as prizes for being clever or simply lucky.Well, ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Generalist to specialist
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    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago
  • A “coincidence”
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Member’s Day
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Worse than I thought
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • The cannabis bill and the referendum
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Hard News: The Cannabis Legalisation and Control Bill: pretty good so far
    As you're probably aware, the draft bill outlining the proposed legal cannabis regime to be put to a referendum late next year was published yesterday, and has already attracted a flurry of comment. It's notable that a good deal of the comment is about proposals that aren't actually new.A minimum ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: Alignment
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • How climate change will affect food production and security
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    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago
  • More bad faith
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Banning foreign money from our elections
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Reforming the Education Acts
    The government introduced the Education and Training Bill to Parliament yesterday. Its a massive bill, which replaces both existing Education Acts, as well as various other bits of legislation (including some which are still proceeding through the House). I'll leave the serious analysis to teachers and people who actually know ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Bite-sized learning
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    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago
  • “Not The Labour Party We Once Knew.”
    All Smiles Now: Claire Szabo is taking up her presidential role after serving as the CEO of Habitat For Humanity. Which is absolutely perfect! After KiwiBuild was so comprehensively mismanaged by Phil Twyford, the party has not only elected a new president from a thoroughly respectable not-for-profit, but one who ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Marxist versus liberal methodology on transgender ideology/identity politics
    While much of the NZ left has transitioned to postmodern and identity politics in relation to transgender ideology, there are some very good articles about that deploy Marxist methodology in relation to this subject.  The one below is from the British marxist group Counterfire and appeared on their site here ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Book review: The Farm by Joanne Ramos
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    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Loosening the purse strings
    When Labour was running for election in 2017, it felt it needed to demonstrate "fiscal responsibility" and signed itself up to masochistic "budget responsibility rules". It was a fool's errand: the sorts of voters who demand fiscal responsibility are also the sorts of voters who believe that labour can never ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: How to get there
    Writing in Stuff, Joel MacManus looks at what we need to do to meet the Zero Carbon Act's targets. The core of it:1. Convert 85 per cent of vehicles on the road to electric. 2. Eliminate fossil fuels from all industrial heating up to 300 degrees Celsius. 3. Double our ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

  • Courthouse redesign a model for the future
    The Government will invest $100 million on a new courthouse in Tauranga which will be a model for future courthouse design for New Zealand, Justice Minister Andrew Little has announced. The courthouse will be designed in partnership with iwi, the local community, the judiciary, the legal profession, court staff and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 hours ago
  • Government enables early access to 5G spectrum
    The Government has given the go ahead to enable further development of 5G networks by making appropriate spectrum available. The Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media Minister, Kris Faafoi, has confirmed Cabinet approval for the allocation of short-term rights to an unused portion of 3.5 GHz spectrum. 3.5GHz is the first ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 hours ago
  • Record export highs picked for primary sector
    Sustained high growth in primary industry exports looks set to continue over the next two years with strong prices predicted for farmers, fishers, growers and rural communities. Minister of Agriculture and Minister of State for Trade and Export Growth Damien O’Connor today released the latest Situation and Outlook report for ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • New partnership to boost screen sector job opportunities
    Auckland’s growing screen sector is the catalyst for a new partnership between the Ministry of Social Development and Auckland’s economic development agency Auckland Tourism, Events and Economic Development (ATEED). The launch today at FilmFX in Henderson, is to celebrate the partnership which looks to capitalise on the social and economic development opportunities ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • A minute’s silence for Whakaari White Island victims
    A minute’s silence will be observed at 2.11pm on Monday 16 December in honour of the victims of the Whakaari White Island eruption, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has confirmed. “Wherever you are in New Zealand, or around the world, this is a moment we can stand alongside those who have ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • NZ to help fund fight against measles in the Pacific region
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced New Zealand will contribute NZ$1 million of funding towards the joint United Nations Fund for Children (UNICEF) and World Health Organisation (WHO) Pacific Regional Action Plan for Measles.   “Prevention through vaccination is the most effective way of avoiding illness and a costly health emergency. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • New Zealand remembers Sir Peter Snell
    New Zealand is today remembering one of our true sporting heroes, triple Olympic gold medal winner Sir Peter Snell. “He was a legend, here and around the world,” Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said. “Our thoughts are with Sir Peter’s wife Miki and their family.” “Sir Peter is recognised as New ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • PM congratulates Boris Johnson on election victory
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has congratulated United Kingdom Prime Minister Boris Johnson on his election victory.  “New Zealand and the United Kingdom are close friends and despite our distance we are strongly connected by our history and people,” Jacinda Ardern said.  “I look forward to continuing to work with Prime ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Building a platform for the future of rail
    The Government has released its long term vision for a sustainable 21st Century rail network that gets our cities moving, connects our regions and gets more freight off the roads.   Deputy Prime Minister and State Owned Enterprises Minister Winston Peters said the Government is committed to rebuilding New Zealand’s ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Prime Minister statement Whakaari White Island recovery operation
    I want to start by acknowledging the families who have experienced such grief and such loss since the extraordinary tragedy on Monday. Today was all about reuniting them with their loved ones. We've just come from the airport where many of them were gathered and in amongst what you can ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • New Zealand medical specialists to provide further support to Samoa
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters today announced further support for Samoa’s longer term needs as it continues to respond to a devastating measles epidemic. “Samoa’s health system has experienced massive strain in the wake of the measles epidemic. The volume of patients needing care during this outbreak, and the number of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Discounted electric-bikes offered to public sector workers
    Discounted electric bikes will be offered up to public sector staff across the country as part of the Government’s work to reduce transport emissions and support healthier transport options.  Associate Minister of Transport Julie Anne Genter officially launched the new initiative at Wellington Hospital today.  “The Government has negotiated bulk-purchase ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Australia and New Zealand confirm joint bid for FIFA Women’s World Cup
    The Australian and New Zealand Governments today launch an historic joint bid to bring the FIFA Women’s World Cup to the Southern Hemisphere for the first time. Australian Minister for Youth and Sport, Richard Colbeck and New Zealand Minister for Sport and Recreation Grant Robertson will announce the bold campaign, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Blackwater gold mine gets PGF boost
    The Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) has approved a $15 million loan to help re-establish a gold mining operation at Blackwater Gold Mine, near Reefton, Rural Communities Minister and local MP Damien O’Connor announced at an event on the West Coast today. “This is great news for the Coast that could ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Papakāinga model inspires whānau well-being
    Papakāinga model inspires whānau well-being A housing project by Kohupātiki whānau in Hastings is an outstanding example of a Māori-led housing initiative that can reduce financial pressure and reconnect whānau to their whakapapa says the Minister for Māori Development Hon Nanaia Mahuta.  Minister Mahuta officially opened the Aroha Te Rangi ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Government provides more funding for major community wetland restoration project
    Restoration efforts for a significant wetland in the Hawke’s Bay are getting more support announced Associate Minister for the Environment Eugenie Sage. “Wetlands are vital to healthy landscapes and ecosystems. They function as nature’s ‘kidneys’, filtering and protecting water quality, acting as nature’s sponges after rain and are home to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Housing First to help Nelson Tasman homeless
    Nelson has today seen the launch of Housing First Nelson Tasman. Today’s launch marks the expansion of the Government’s homelessness programme, Housing First, to the top of the South Island. “Housing First is a proven programme that puts people who are experiencing homelessness and multiple, high and complex needs into ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • New funding to support Environment Centres working for sustainable local solutions
    New Government funding announced today will help communities make a difference in tackling environmental issues Associate Minister for the Environment Eugenie Sage announced in Hawkes Bay today. The Ministry for the Environment’s Community Environment Fund is dedicating $243,101 to growing the capacity and capability of the Environment Hubs Aotearoa’s (EHA) ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Government takes bite out of loan sharks
    The days of vulnerable consumers falling victim to loan sharks, truck shops and other predatory lenders are numbered, following the Credit Contracts Legislation Amendment Bill passing its third reading tonight. “Too many Kiwis are being given loans that are unaffordable and unsuitable, trapping them in debt and leaving their families ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • New Zealand safer as Terrorism Suppression (Control Orders Bill) becomes law
    A Bill that prevents terrorism and supports the de-radicalisation of New Zealanders returning from overseas has passed its third reading, Justice Minister Andrew Little says. The Terrorism Suppression (Control Orders) Bill is a carefully targeted response to manage the risk posed by a small number of New Zealanders who have ...
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  • Foreign Minister and Pacific Peoples Minister to visit Samoa
    Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters and Minister for Pacific Peoples Aupito William Sio will travel to Samoa on Friday, where New Zealand medical teams are helping Samoa respond to an outbreak of measles. “New Zealand has been working closely with the Government of Samoa and offering our assistance from the ...
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  • New Pastoral Care Code will support tertiary students in 2020
    The Government has changed the law to improve student safety and welfare in university halls of residence and other student accommodation. The Education (Pastoral Care) Amendment Bill passed its third reading this afternoon and details of an interim Code of Practice setting out the Government’s expectations of tertiary providers have also been released. ...
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  • New infrastructure funding tool to build housing developments faster
    A new tool to help councils fund and finance infrastructure could mean some housing developments happen a decade earlier than currently planned, Urban Development Minister Phil Twyford said today. “This new tool, developed by the Government in partnership with industry and high-growth councils, will allow councils to access private debt ...
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  • Vision to unite the primary sector launched today
    Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor has welcomed the release of a bold new vision for the country’s vital food and fibre sector. “I’m delighted that New Zealand’s major farmer and grower organisations are today supporting the Primary Sector Council’s vision – Fit for a Better World,” he said. “The international consumers ...
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  • NZ congratulates PNG and Autonomous Bougainville Government on referendum
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters has congratulated the Government of Papua New Guinea and the Autonomous Bougainville Government for completing a well-conducted referendum on the future political status of Bougainville. “New Zealand supported the referendum process by providing technical advice through the New Zealand Electoral Commission and leading a Regional Police ...
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  • Next steps for Upper North Island logistics
    In light of Cabinet’s position that freight operations on prime land in downtown Auckland are no longer viable, the Government will now embark on a short work programme to enable decision-making in the first half of next year, Associate Transport Minister Shane Jones says. Minister Jones is today releasing the ...
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  • Surgical mesh restorative justice report received
    Associate Health Minister Julie Anne Genter has received the report back from a surgical mesh restorative justice process undertaken by Victoria University. The process heard stories, either in person or online submission, from more than 600 people affected by surgical mesh. “The report made for heart-breaking and confronting reading,” says ...
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  • The Water Services Regulator Bill – Taumata Arowai a milestone for drinking water safety
    The Water Services Regulator Bill – Taumata Arowai , introduced to Parliament today, is a milestone for drinking water safety in New Zealand and will help improve environmental outcomes for urban waterways, rivers and lakes.  “This is a breakthrough for New Zealanders in terms of providing safe drinking water throughout ...
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  • Speech to new direction for criminal justice reform announcement
    Kia ora koutouE ngā mana, e ngā reo, e ngā matā wakaTēnā koutou katoaHaere ngā, moe maiKoutou ma ngā Rangatira Ko Anaru ahauKo au te Minita mo ngā TureHe Honore tino nui kei roto I ahau No reira tena koutou katoa Today, we are releasing two reports that are the ...
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  • New direction for criminal justice reform
    The Government is looking to turn around the long-term challenges of criminal justice by taking a new approach to break the cycle of offending to ensure there are fewer victims of crime. Justice Minister Andrew Little released two reports today, Turuki! Turuki! from Te Uepū Hāpai I te Ora, and ...
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  • New law sets up $300m Venture Capital Fund
    New Zealand firms expanding beyond the start-up phase are set for more support after today’s passage of the Venture Capital Fund Bill, Associate Finance Minister David Parker said. The Bill, which establishes a $300 million Venture Capital Fund, puts in place a key initiative of the Wellbeing Budget’s economic package. ...
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  • New Zealand’s National Statement to COP25
    E ngā mana, e ngā reo, e ngā iwi, e ngā rau rangatira mā. Tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou katoa. Señora Presidenta, Excellencies, Delegates. International action A common thread that runs through the Paris Agreement is the commitment we have made to each other to do what we can to ...
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  • Strong economy, careful spending gives $12bn of surpluses
    The Government is forecast to run $12 billion worth of surpluses across the four years to 2023/24 as the economy continues to grow. The surpluses will help fund day-to-day capital requirements each year. These include fixing leaky hospitals, building new classrooms to cover population growth and take pressure off class ...
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  • Priorities for 2020 Wellbeing Budget outlined
    Budget 2020 will continue the Coalition Government’s focus on tackling the long-term challenges facing New Zealand while also investing to future-proof the economy. When the Government took office in 2017 it was left with crumbling infrastructure, severe underinvestment in public services, degraded rivers and lakes, a housing crisis and rising ...
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  • $12 billion in extra infrastructure investment
    The Government is lifting capital investment to the highest level in more than 20 years as it takes the next step to future-proof New Zealand. Finance Minister Grant Robertson has announced $12 billion of new investment, with $8 billion for specific capital projects and $4 billion to be added to ...
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  • Minister welcomes data-rich coastline mapping tool
    The Minister responsible for the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act 2011 (te Takutai Moana Act 2011), Andrew Little has welcomed the launch of an online geospatial tool that provides data-rich, dynamic coastline maps that will significantly boost research and evidence-gathering under the Act. Te Kete Kōrero a Te ...
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  • Chief Victims Advisor reappointed for a further two years
    The Chief Victims Advisor to Government Dr Kim McGregor, QSO, has been reappointed in her role for a further two years. Dr McGregor has held the role since it was established in November 2015. She provides independent advice to government on how to improve the criminal justice system for victims. ...
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  • New Zealand tsunami monitoring and detection system to be established
    Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters and Civil Defence Minister Peeni Henare have today announced the deployment of a network of DART (Deep-ocean Assessment and Reporting of Tsunami) buoys. “New Zealand and the Pacific region are particularly vulnerable to natural disasters. It is vital we have adequate warning systems in place,” ...
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  • DART Buoys Announcement
    DART Buoys Announcement Aotea Wharf, 9.30am 11 December 2019   Acknowledgements Acknowledgements to Minister for Civil Defence Hon Peeni Henare also here today. White Island It is with regret that this event shadows the tragic natural disaster two days ago. The volcanic eruptions on White Island have claimed 5 lives, ...
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  • Final steps for racing industry reform
    Racing Minister Winston Peters has welcomed the first reading of the Racing Industry Bill in parliament today. This is the second of two Bills that have been introduced this year to revitalise New Zealand’s racing industry. “Our domestic racing industry has been in serious decline.  The Government is committed to ...
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