Prendergast doesn’t get it

Written By: - Date published: 10:59 am, October 13th, 2010 - 39 comments
Categories: act, local body elections - Tags: ,

According to Kerry Prendergast, STV may cost her election as mayor of Wellington, and therefore it is undemocratic.  Good doublethink there Kerry.

STV’s other name is “Instant Run-off” – what it gives is the answer if there had been an election just between Celia Wade-Brown and Prendergast.  Yes that means that people’s third preferences count against Kerry’s first preferences, but that’s only because those third preferences still weren’t for Prendergast – they didn’t want her.

Indeed STV is much more democratic, as people are free to vote for whomever they like, rather than having to coalesce about one “anti” candidate, knowing that their third or fourth preferences will still keep out the person they really didn’t want.  The winner will be the one who more than 50% of people were prepared to back, not someone who 40% liked but 60% hated.

Prendergast has also been saying that she’s been hurt because she’s the only candidate on the right, and there were lots on the left (perhaps this shows where the preponderance of new talent and ideas are?).  Usually it’s considered a good thing to be the only one in a discernable role – there’s no vote splitting – but Kerry’s desperate for excuses…

[UPDATE: Prendergast really doesn’t get it – Celia is Mayor!]

In other news, ACT are still busy infighting.  “We don’t have caucus rankings” – just the order of the seats, and you’re last…

39 comments on “Prendergast doesn’t get it”

  1. come get some 1

    “At this stage, Celia [Wade-Brown] can’t beat me, but STV can. I don’t think members of the public have really understood the system. Some do, but the majority don’t understand.”

    Would love to see her statistics to back her comments up, highly doubtfull she actually has any, but hey

  2. Gotham 2

    Now, I’m obviously no fan of Prendergast – but even I have been astonished at the way she has handled this situation.

    She lost (even if she wins, she lost) because she ran a non-existent campaign. She believed, as did pretty much everyone including Celia’s own supporters, that she was going to win. The Dom Post made it clear that although Celia’s bid was respected and earnest, Kerry was going to get another term. Hell, even tv3 news on Sunday night announced Kerry having won the mayoralty again, without even waiting for the official results!!

    I think Celia herself must have been pretty surprised. I voted for her, and I encouraged everyone I knew to vote for her, and I was surprised too! And in the interrum, Celia has sounded and acted like a winner; while Kerry has made every excuse under the sun why she is in the position she’s in.

  3. Bored 3

    Kerry is weaned on a pickle, she looked very bitter. Maybe its because another term for her is another term for Rex and his developer mates, another terms for the business people of the city to push their share of rates onto the citizens, and for the landlords to compliance with avoid building regs.

    There is a lot at stake and it was never made clear during the election by the Dom, who failed singularly to report anything adverse to the status quo, and blackened the opposition candidates and messages..(standard MSM bias).

    It would appear that, contrary to Kerry\’s assertions that those who did vote used their preferences wisely. In short it seems pretty much everybody who did not vote for Kerry voted against her (i.e gave their preference to Wade Brown). They in effect said who they did not want. Thats democracy in action, far more so than Kerry winning on a sub 50% FPP event.

    • prism 3.1

      And for unrestrained rorting of poor suffering motorists forced to donate big dosh for parking! Hope some goodwill will filter down even if there is a greenie for a mayor. Perhaps slash by half the amount of the ticket if paid within two days.

  4. randal 4

    yes indeedy.
    she has had so much pork fr so long she is beginning to say oink all the time.

  5. sophie 5

    “At this stage, Celia [Wade-Brown] can’t beat me, but STV can. I don’t think members of the public have really understood the system. Some do, but the majority don’t understand.”

    The arrogance of the Woman is astounding. Actually Kerry , the majority of us did understand the system and that is why we voted as we did.

    • What does anyone expect from these Tories ?. I”ve never meet a good one yet . Some appear “jolly’ but under all the bluff its the same old bitter ,me,me me . Why any decent person would vote for them beats me.
      However what us Lefties have to keep tabs on is the action from the Dirty Tricks Brigade , Its going to happen ,lets be ready. they are not going to accept the defeat they have just had. Just watch out.!

  6. ghostwhowalksnz 6

    Sounds like the usual right wing smear campaign is just starting. Probably advised by Farrar.
    You know the usual things , the election was rigged/stolen, then they move onto previous history – was her father/brother born in kenya?, is she a muslim? and so on . There will be a attack on democracy theme somewhere in the future.
    This things are so predictable, but the media will run them anyway

  7. Hilary 7

    There was a poll in the last couple of years in which the citizens of Wellington got to vote on whether to keep or change the STV voting system. The result was a vote to keep STV.

  8. Draco T Bastard 8

    It should be mandated that local government and electorate elections be STV. It’s far more democratic and gets in people that the majority support.

    • Hear hear. There’s no reason we can’t have one PR system for electorate voting while retaining another (if that’s what we wish) for the overall system, yet it’s not something embraced by campaigners for MMP, sadly.

      Someone with a platform really needs to start a debate that goes beyond the bounds of FPP vs MMP and gets people talking about all the possible options they could opt to have. Or, you know, the MSM could actually take it upon itself to inform and educate…

      • Vicky32 8.1.1

        STV seems pretty well perfect as far as I can see! (Back in ’93 it’s what I wanted but the vote ended up FPP vs MMP, so that’s what I had to vote for..)

  9. HitchensFan 9

    One word.

    Prenderghastly.

  10. Ari 10

    Actually, STV isn’t entirely immune to the spoiler effect, because the elimination order is very significant, and it’s possible to accidentally or ignorantly make a non-transferrable vote if you’re in FPP mode. Kerry being the only right-wing candidate is beneficial for her in an STV election, because she doesn’t risk issues with vote-transfers from other right-wing candidates. STV still gives Kerry an unfair advantage, even if it isn’t anywhere near as big.

    Note that STV is only an IRV system for races like Mayor where a single person wins. It functions quite differently when you’re electing multiple winners at the same time, and is actually much, much better in those cases.

    I don’t think central government ought to mandate how local governments hold their elections, Draco, (it could come back to bite us if a particularly mendacious government mandated a regressive system- best to leave it up to each region or city to make up their own rules) but I think all local authorities should at least transition to STV, if not some sort of evaluative vote. STV has some big problems (complicated counting, failing the majoritarian criteria that voting a candidate higher can never hurt them, and so on) and it really only returns a mediocre improvement over FPP for them.

    • Draco T Bastard 10.1

      Well, the mandate could be something like must be proportional and fair rather than mandating a specific type and then leave it to the locals to choose which type.

  11. toad 11

    Rodney Hide used the same “stupid ignorant voters don’t understand STV” excuse that Prendergast is putting up here for foisting FPP on electors for the Auckland Council not just for this election but for the next one as well.

    It is a credit to Auckland voters that despite this, and despite Hide’s gerrymander in Auckland that seriously over-valued votes in right-leaning wards, they saw through this and thoroughly rejected his corporatist privatisation agenda.

    • Despite having the option of going STV for almost 10 years, not a single (old) Auckland Council went that way: all stayed with FPP.

      Moreover, FPP is the voting system that the Royal Commission recommended.

      Now I am a big support of STV, but FPP was not foisted on Aucklanders – it’s the system they’ve chosen for themselves since the choice was first available.

      • Jafa 11.1.1

        Well I don’t recall the council ever putting the question to the ratepayers.

        Turkeys Cristmas…

      • toad 11.1.2

        I may be wrong, but I seem to recall Waitakere City Council did go for STV for this election (had it survived to implement it). Given its a moot point, can’t be bothered going through the Council minutes to check.

        In 2002 (when I was living in Auckland City) some of us tried to get a petition together to force Auckland City Council to hold a poll on their electoral system, but didn’t quite get the numbers. The Councillors wouldn’t go there of their own initiative, presumably because they saw it as a potential threat to their incumbency.

    • BrianW 11.2

      I support STV as an option to FPP. In fact any PR system is much more democratic.
      However, I’m afraid that Rodney is right, most voters simply don’t get it even though it is not that hard a concept to grasp for those with a reasonable level of intelligence.

  12. Pascal's bookie 13

    I guess she’s officially irrelevant now so ne’ermind.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/4228513/New-mayor-for-capital

    Ooh! look!

    Beer o’clock again. So soon.

  13. outofbed 14

    I am going for a few beers
    go Celia

    • RobertM 14.1

      Maybe not. I fear we have been delivered into the hands of the puritans. I’m not a great fan of Kerry. But Green rule in Wellington. As someone with flawed eyesight, I dislike the cycling lanes on Christchurchs long flat aerterial roads. Those modern racing type cycles are fast and they can be tricky to see in time, much more so than cars or even motorbikes.
      What I try and get across for those who believe the market and creative destructive capitalism and sexual freedom hetro, bi or otherwise is essential- the NZ right is always likely to fail to deliver and is partly a lost cause because most of the electorate do not want moral fundamentalism or sexual repression. In NZ the right can only win by luck, accident or natural disaster. The linking of the right to fundamentalism, or Southland conservatism or Catholic conservatism really destroys the possibility of broad based support and makes defeat even more likely with a STV system.
      But when the Nats, Citizens can not grasp that you need newer brighter candidates than Kerry and Banks or even see their voters have to be educated in how STV works and you don’t put Celia number 2 after Kerry on the Ballot its hopeless. The failure to have a few other right centre candidates on the ballot shows the unforgivable and hopeless ignorance and arrogance of the WEllington right and the idiocy of their supporters in the Dominion who with their prole Taranaki provincial roots can generally be relied to derail and divert the right centre, just as Richard Long wrecked Brashes chances.
      I mean if they can lose with Kerry, their so hopeless, why would anybody bother.The real liberal National Party seemed to have its last stand with Shipley. English and Smith are really fundamentalsit conservatives with nothing in common with Talboys, Marshall , Shand, Hannan , Gordon et cl.
      The greens should dance around the maypole at the shrine of Rod Donald. But from a right centre point of view it reveals that he was very effective for them.

  14. gobsmacked 15

    Wonderful news.

    But obviously it hasn’t really happened, because the MSM commentators all knew Prendergast would win easily, and there was probably an online poll or something which said so, so that just proves it, and … oh, damn democracy!

    Seriously, congratulations to all Celia’s team. And if your vote made a difference, congrats to you too.

    • rosy 15.1

      Thank goodness for that!
      It seems more people really didn’t like prenderghastly than really didn’t like CW-B 🙂

  15. BLiP 16

    Asked what she was going to do this afternoon, Wade-Brown said she was about to hop on her bicycle and ride into town for a press conference.

    BLiP is doing his balding, middle-aged male version “Stir-The-Pot” / “The Robot” combo happy dance !!!!

  16. swordfish 17

    Prenders says “unfair and undemocratic” ?!!! This would be the same Prenders who was elected Mayor in 2007 on barely a third of the vote !!! (indeed, less than 15 % if you consider all eligible voters in Wellington). From memory, she won on even less support at the 2004 local body election.

    “Bored” is spot-on regarding Rex Nicholls, his developer mates and Prenders’ long-term policy of decisively moving the rates differential in favour of the business lobby, to the detriment of ordinary residents. A de-emphasis on spending to improve suburban infrastructure and a much greater emphasis on ‘the Golden Mile’ is part and parcel of this shift. We hear nothing of this in the DumbPost, of course.

    Meanwhile, the DumbPost presents an astonishingly partisan “overview” of the up-coming Mana by-election. National’s Parata gets half a page to herself, complete with large photo showing her cheerfully inter-acting with a Mana voter and a text by “journalist” Andrea Vance that comes damn close to hagiography (much emphasis on Parata’s supposed “glamour”, “good looks” and “amazing popularity” with electors. All the more remarkable then that Parata came a very poor second at the 2008 general election, receiving far fewer Candidate votes than National received Party votes !!!).
    Labour’s Fa’afoi and the Greens’ Logie, meanwhile, have to make-do with quarter a page each (with a studio mug-shot of Fa’afoi).

    • Colonial Viper 17.1

      The DumbPost is welcome to destroy their own circulation base with their unending right wing stupidity. Then see how many of their favoured business clients want to advertise in it.

  17. tc 18

    Great result being a Jaffa watching from afar it says one thing clearly to Kerry…” everyone wants you outta there…”
    Interesting to see some RWNJ I come across already substituting humble pie for a slice of ” JK’s no fool, he’ll back the new council and knows the score etc etc” ……gotta love that adoration.

  18. Adrian 19

    What do these mayoral results say about the national polls. I’ll bet there’s some pants shitting happening at certain party headquarters.

  19. Carol 20

    Into the first ad break on TV One News. So far we’ve had: Chilean miners, guns in police cars & 7s rugby at Delhi. No mention of Wellington’s new mayor or Auckland’s new deputy mayor so far or on promos for up coming items.

    PS: Celia Wade-Brown on now, first after the ad break.

    • rosy 20.1

      Guns in police cars – two weapons in one. Great.

      anti-spam: enemy (definition of the public it seems)

      • Colonial Viper 20.1.1

        When the police start behaving as if they are a military force, its natural for them to see the people as the enemy of the state.

  20. infused 21

    People do understand it. People on the inside knew the outcome over a week ago.

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    1 week ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    1 week ago
  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
    Hi there, just call me Tim.We face tough problems, and I’d like to help, because there are solutions.An Auckand District Health Board member has nominated me for as a candidate for the ADHB, because her MS-related pain and fatigue is reduced with hemp products from Rotorua.  Nothing else helped her. If I ...
    1 week ago
  • Good little vassals
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
    1 week ago
  • The Politics of Opposition
    For most of the time I was a British MP, my party was out of government – these were the Thatcher years, when it was hard for anyone else to get a look-in. As a front-bencher and shadow minister, I became familiar with the strategies required in a parliamentary democracy ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
    1 week ago
  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh On August 29th a video in which veteran FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) commander Iván Márquez announced that they had taken up arms again was released. There was no delay in the reaction to it, from longtime Liberal Party figure and former president Uribe, for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
    Air New Zealand couldn’t believe its luck that this seemingly ideal piece of real estate had so far gone entirely unnoticed. Air New Zealand’s search for a site to build a second Auckland Airport may have made a breakthrough this afternoon, after employees scanning Google satellite imagery spotted a huge, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s failure
    When National was in government and fucking over the poor for the benefit of the rich, foodbanks were a growth industry. And now Labour is in charge, nothing has changed: A huge demand for emergency food parcels means the Auckland City Mission is struggling to prepare for the impending arrival ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
    Gayford, pictured here on The Project, before things got wildly out of control. A bold public relations move by the Government to encourage parents to vaccinate their children has gone horribly wrong. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern appeared on tonight’s episode of Three’s The Project, where the plan was for her ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Cleaning up the water
    Today the government released its Action Plan for Healthy Waterways, aimed at cleaning up our lakes and rivers. Its actually quite good. There will be protection for wetlands, better standards for swimming spots, a requirement for continuous improvement, and better standards for wastewater and stormwater. But most importantly, there's a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
    Anti-fluoride activists have some wealthy backers – they are erecting billboards misrepresenting the Canadian study on many New Zealand cities – and local authorities are ordering their removal because of their scaremongering. Many New Zealanders ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Democracy – I Don’t Think So
    So, those who “know best” have again done their worst. While constantly claiming to be the guardians of democracy and the constitution, and respecters of the 2016 referendum result, diehard Remainers (who have never brought themselves to believe that their advice could have been rejected) have striven might and main ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Government says it will now build just one really nice home
    Following publication of this article, the Ministry has requested it to be noted that this supplied image is not necessarily representative of what the final house will look like, and it “probably won’t be that nice.” As part of today’s long-anticipated reset of the Government’s flagship KiwiBuild policy, Housing Minister ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Imperialism and your cup of coffee
    Over the next week or two we will be running three synopses of parts of the opening chapter of John Smith’s Imperialism in the 21st Century (New York, Monthly Review Press, 2016).  The synopsis and commentary below is written by Phil Duncan. Marx began Capital not with a sweeping historical ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Still juking the stats
    The State Services Commission and Ombudsman have released another batch of OIA statistics, covering the last six months. Request volumes are up, and the core public service is generally handling them within the legal timeframe, though this may be because they've learned to extend rather than just ignore things. And ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Hard News: Time for a New Deal: 25 years on
    In 1994, I was editing an ambitious street mag called Planet, from a fabled office at at 309 Karangahape Road. The thirteenth issue of the magazine was published in the winter of that year and its cover embodied a particularly ambitious goal: the end of cannabis prohibition.I wanted to do ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Not impressed
    KiwiBuild was one of the Ardern government's core policies. The government would end the housing crisis and make housing affordable again by building 100,000 new homes. Of course, it didn't work out like that: targets weren't met, the houses they did build were in the wrong place, and the whole ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Solar beats coal
    As the climate crisis escalates, it is now obvious that we need to radically decarbonise our economy. The good news is that its looking easy and profitable for the energy sector. Wind is already cheaper than fossil fuels, and now solar is too:The levellised cost of solar PV has fallen ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • A Step Too Far.
    A Crown Asset? For reasons relating to its own political convenience, the Crown pretends to believe that “No one owns the water.” To say otherwise would re-vivify the promises contained in the Treaty of Waitangi – most particularly those pertaining to the power of the chiefs and their proprietary rights ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Where Money Comes From
    Most people would say, no doubt, that they have a pretty good idea of what money is. They live with the reality of money every day. It is what is needed to buy the necessities of life and to maintain a decent standard of living. You get money, they would ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Banned by the Green Party leadership: Jill Abigail on women’s rights and trans rights
    The article below was an opinion piece that appeared in the Spring 2019 issue of Te Awa (the NZ Green Party’s newsletter) and on the Greens website.  In keeping with their policy of hostility to women defending women’s right to female-only spaces, Green bureaucrats have since removed the opinion piece.  ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago

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