Dirt. Manipulation. Dishonesty. Meh, just another day in politics.
"Local council's objecting to their gravy train being curtailed, has nothing to do with any adds." Gravy train? It is being claimed there are billions of dollars in infrastructure investment required. More likely they object to having local control over ...
"Constantly repeating something doesn't make it correct." Constantly denying something doesn't make it wrong. Those ads were a massive blunder by the government. If you're looking for someone to blame for why local Councils don't trust them, you could ...
Well it took them a hell of a long time! Peter Dunne was MP for Ohariu (and it's predecessors) for 23 years! He represented Labour from 1984 through 1994, and then minor parties from 1994 though 2017. Dunne was Minister of Internal Affairs from Jan 2014 ...
His past political experience (as a Labour MP btw), and the fact that he ISN"T a current politician, give him more cred, surely?
"It got attention to a problem..." By misrepresentation. And in doing so continued to undermine whatever it is the government thinks it is doing.
"Anyone over the age of ten understands how adds work." This is the government, spending our money showing a puerile image of green sludge coming from a coughing tap. And you're ok with that.
"I see what you did there, you went back in time to find earlier statements by Dalziel that you could use to confirm your anti-Three Waters stand and bias." I went back to a recent statement in which Dalziel expressed her actual opinion of the 3Waters ...
"If you were to ask Dalziel, what would she say to you? She’s on board with Three Waters. Did you miss that bit?" Well that would make her labelling the advertising as "patronising, inaccurate, scare-mongering and borders on prejudicial stereotyping" all ...
"What's wrong with that?" I have to explain to you what's wrong with misleading advertising? I have to explain to you that when we turn our taps on we don't have green liquid coming out of them? Clearly you are ok with this dishonesty.
"“There is no question that changes are required " Yes, but what changes? Oh, and the quote continues "“But I still think there is a significant amount of work that needs doing on the three waters reforms to get the outcomes we all want to achieve,’’ says ...
"The animation included green liquid coming from a "coughing" pipe, with a thermometer in its mouth." 'Imagine Aotearoa without good water. That'd be rude as, eh?" Imagine? What is this, fantasyland? Pure propaganda.
"The dis-honesty appears to be more in the minds of those who oppose three waters, than occurring in reality." I've given you two clear examples of the government dishonesty. Why the dishonesty if this is such a good idea? "The problem with the advertising...
"But that has nothing to do with arguments for or against three waters." In some ways it does. It shows a pattern of dishonesty that brings into question whether claims made by the government can be relied on. Why the dishonesty? Why the childish ...
"You don't know if that is a fact or not. Discussing something doesn't mean it is decided." "On October 27 last year, Mahuta announced as Minister of Local Government that although councils had previously been told they could opt out of joining the Three ...
You mean the government didn't say councils could opt out? That they didn't hide for months that they had already decided on compulsion?
"...which was basically lies and propaganda." Really? Like telling Councils they could opt out of 3Waters? Like claiming the decision to mandate 3Waters was "a gradual one as the government realised that “to ignore the state of the water infrastructure ...
"What are you so afraid of?" 1. A levy on potable water pushing up prices, along with the increase in price others are predicting as a result of the 3Waters model. 2. The money ending up in the hands of a very small number of people. BTW - NOT charging a ...
"One of the intentions of 3 waters." Are you suggesting that the only thing this government is doing about cleaning up the waterways is 3Waters? You know that's not true.
And that's for irrigation water. For potable water, it will be considerably higher. At, say 10c per 1000 litres, the royalty would be around $42,000,000. Nice.
"Someone who opposes Government doing something about cowshit in rivers..." Ah, when did I say that?
So you agree "the inclusion of Maori perspectives and interests in defining the how" can be achieved without co-governance. Well done.
Unfortunately for your argument, a centralised conglomerate, with a huge asset base and monopoly charging across the entire population, is far more attractive to privatisation. If that is your genuine concern, you should be opposing 3Waters.
"Why would they do that if they support public ownership?" National and Act are refusing to support any aspects of the legislation. Why would they only support one? Not only that, legislation can be changed, so it's a rather pointless exercise. More ...
Dr Newman? No, I listen to the voices of Maori, who have been calling for rights 'akin to ownership' for some time. There are a number of threads to this, drawn together nicely by Michael Coote in the NBR back in 2017 (specifically at that time around ...
It's good to see they've been arrested, however I think Jimmy's point may be that apparently most of the perpetrators are under 15. I'm not sure they'll spend long in custody.
"Nope, not in this context. Explain it to me." Royalty's for iwi elites for one.
"I find it exciting that we have a chance of shaping things for us now and for future generations, so why not grab this opportunity with both hands instead of throwing your hands in the air exclaiming ‘it won’t do any good!’??" Because there are better ...
I've just found this in relation to privatisation. It seems there will be no need to privatise water assets under 3Waters. "Tuku Morgan (Waikato Tainui), is a member of the Three Waters working group who in March dismissed claims that Māori would own the ...
“Heavy rain is not the issue, it’s the infrastructure that cannot and doesn’t cope with heavy rain as the regular, frequent beach alerts show.” We agree on that. We disagree on how that is best delivered. “Water shortages occur and your memory is very ...
I had forgotten about the central Auckland office space! What a debacle. Thanks for the heads up about Bombers article - I've just read it. There's also the Ombudsman's assessment of OT's reverse uplifts, and the disgraceful behaviour of OT staff around ...
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