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8:21 pm, August 14th, 2017 - 44 comments
Categories: australian politics - Tags: barnaby joyce, citizenship
Policy idea for any party: Can we please keep making Aussie govt MPs citizens until they give NZ citizens in Oz the rights to education, health & social security they should get under CER? You know, the ones Aussies get when they come here.
Oh, and a vote. Best blackmail EVER: we’ll ruin your parliamentary careers one-by-one until you cough up, starting with the anti-immigrant ones like Barnaby… 😀
… ” Policy idea for any party: Can we please keep making Aussie govt MPs citizens until they give NZ citizens in Oz the rights to education, health & social security they should get under CER? You know, the ones Aussies get when they come here ” …
Barnaby Joyce joins Sir Joh Bjelke Petersen as wonderful exports from NZ. Thank goodness they found a home in Australia. The current crisis raises the issue that if Barnaby has broken the law so clearly, does an Australian-born New Zealander get exported back.
Nope goes to Christmas Island first for a long stay.
Bjelke Petersen was born in NZ and his parents moved him to Australia when he was a child.
Joyce was never born in NZ, his father was. Joyce was born when his father had NZ citizenship according to the laws at the time ( between late 40s and late 70s) his son had NZ citizenship by descent.
having dual citizenship isnt the only strange thing. he was first elected as a nationals senator for Queeensland and then later shifted to being a nationals MP from NSW.
How do I find facts about this? Am I supposed to be twittering? Is there a link to something official?
“Malcolm Turnbull doesn’t believe a clause in the constitution that bans dual-citizens running for office needs changing….
Asked whether the clause was out of date, the prime minister told Neil Mitchell on 3AW radio: ‘I don’t think it is unreasonable for the constitution to require if you want to be a member or a senator in the Australian parliament you should be a citizen of only one country and that’s Australia.’
@Bunji 😆 😈
Just everyone get over themselves and make NZ another state of the Australian Federation.
(short sighted fuckwittery isn’t new)
120 years is still not enough to get over ourselves it would seem.
Ha. I came up with this a while back. It seems a remarkably stupid law that allows an outside entity to collapse your government.
The law is not stupid, its those who ignore it who are stupid.
In the Australian labour party they have extensive checks of candidates that cover both parents and grand parents.
Obviously if you were born in Australia and have Australian citizenship and arent sure about relatives status you are required just formally renounce any citizenship you may or may not have- a fax to the embassy is all thats required.
The law is stupid because it allows another country to control who can be in your parliament. North Korea could give Aussies citizenship right now, the line in the constitution would kick in, and nobody would be able to stand in Parliament.
What a clever idea.
The Australians gave donkey a gong and a sash. Each time an Australian federal politician lands in NZ we could give them a passport.
Just returned from 10 days in Perth WA. The Politics /media is crazy, corrupt with tons of giggles and laughter. Ordinary Ozzies just accept the status quo and ignore it. The chatterrati on the MSM make a good living from it. They have some great comedy drama which is very embarrassing to those in power. I can see why the late John Clark (Fred Dagg) was so well known and celebrated. The Ozzie mongrel is still alive in the Arts . oh and the brainwashing sport!
You do know that the government has 1 seat majority, in HR, and not a majority in senate. Already this parliament 4 senators have been forced to resign over eligibility requirements.
Best blackmail EVER: we’ll ruin your parliamentary careers
Barnaby Joyce is citing the NZ labour party as culprits.
How would NZ MP know there was a problem with Joyce when he didnt know himself.
Joyce is part bullshitting, the Fairfax press were the ones asking about his eligibility not NZ labour.
Kiwis stealing all teh jobs!
So what happens of we make their Governor General a kiwi – does it irrecoverably break their democracy?
Their federal constitution rule only applies to Senators and Representatives.
Plenty of their Governor- generals, like ours have come directly from the UK
Thought experiment: what would happen if NZ passed a law saying that and Australian senator or representative is a NZ citizen? There would be no legal parliamentarians to change their constitution.
The only way to change their constitution is by a majority in a referendum, plus its majority in at least 4 states.
Thats why the equal marriage ‘vote’ is being called a plebiscite as its a simple majority
Its previously been found very difficult to have constitutional changes for smallish matters and its highly unlikely they would be able to change the dual nationality thing.
It’s not a plebiscite now as the senate rejected it again, it’s a postal survey carried out by the Aus Bureau of Statistics (ABS), neither of the methods are binding on the Govt which is why they (LIB & Nats) are using these methods, they don’t want marriage equality, last English speaking country in the world to NOT support marriage equality.
Turnbull govt has a majority of only one, if Joyce is forced out as the others (Greens and Hansen party) have been, he’s in hot water, not to mention the 13 straight polls the have Labour leading by 6-8 points, the consensus is that Turnbull is a gonner, he only just scraped in in the last election after donating $1.75mn to the Liberal party only days out form the election, the largest single donation to that party ever, just another RW party screwing everyone.
How about NZ passes a law saying that the Australian government is made up of a bunch of nasty evil fucks?
Apparently being a nasty evil fuck doesn’t make one ineligible to be an Australian MP. Or a New Zealand MP, for that matter.
Thought experiment: what would happen if North Korea passed a law saying that an Australian senator or representative is a North Korean citizen?
Oooh. Why stop at one?
Bishop weighs in
That’s got to be worth a vote or two 😈
That’s what I thought. Ad is all doom and gloom about it though.
As any sensible pragmatic centrist knows, having common ground with Australia’s right wing base gets us all sorts of favours. I just can’t think of a single one right now.
Bishop was handed her arse by Labor in Parliament today. She really should’ve engaged brain before opening mouth. 🙂
Yes . The Libs and nationals are just lashing out to cover their own stuff ups.
Of course. Barnaby Joyce was asked several weeks ago whether his father being a NZer was an issue for him, and he replied that it was a “red herring”. The journalist suggested it might be a good idea if he checked, but Joyce was certain he was OK. What a plonker. For Julie Bishop to blame Chris Hipkins is beyond pathetic. And our media should be doing their job, rather than reporting Bishop’s comments as fact.
Was Joyce crying because he was caught out or because he realized that he now faces a lifetime of discrimination.
Hes still an Australian citizen, the constitution only bars dual citizens as you have to be an australian citizen to vote and bee an MP.
How does renunciation work?
What happens if the country you’re a citizen of refuses to accept the renunciation and still counts you as a citizen?
Are you then permanently barred from Australian federal elections because you’re a citizen of another country, even though you don’t want to be?
Which countries of the world would count as enemies of Australia, and why haven’t any of them twigged to this easy way to interfere with Australia’s internal affairs?
What about states that are not recognised by Australia? Can Isis make Australian politicians citizens of their state?
Be realistic. Deliberate making MPs citizens in that way wouldnt be acceptable. Their High Court would rule it out.
Renunciation is just that, people just sent off a formal notice to the consulate or embassy and keepa copy that as a record of having done so.
Their parliament is full of people who have done their homework and made sure they are not caught out.