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1. Anne 1

   26 November 2014 at 2:49 pm

   It’s high time Labour cut the pc crap they have been indulging in for years and start to get down to the nitty gritty. Thank God for Andrew Little. For the first time in ages the left has real hope!
   • Treetop 1.1

     26 November 2014 at 3:31 pm

     The Labour Party is in good heart.
   • Chooky 1.2

     26 November 2014 at 4:26 pm

     +100 Anne…the softly softly approach did not work ….but Little is turning into a master speaker!…
     • Anne 1.2.1

       26 November 2014 at 4:49 pm

       The best of it Chooky, a good many of us have been pleading with them for years to “cut the crap” (we may not have put it in those words) ), but they ignored us as if we were a bunch of mentally challenged neanderthals who knewed nuttin.

       Slight exaggeration of course – but only slight. 😉
     • Tom 1.2.2

       26 November 2014 at 5:57 pm

       Bloody Hell……… Just watched General Debate Part 1 …………
       Good on ya Andrew …….. All this talk of Labour being National Light……… Maybe we can have a strong Labour Party that is prepared to stand up against the Money Men and not push this ponzi scheme economics that is meant to be so great. (chase your tail and screw the planet) Its time to tag team with the Greens and bring down this house of cards (credit cards ha ha )
       • Tracey 1.2.2.1

         26 November 2014 at 6:14 pm

         Policy determines where they sit on the spectrum.

         Am pleased to see passion back on the Left.
2. Bill 2

   26 November 2014 at 2:52 pm

   Thank fuck. Refreshing is what that is.
   • Anne 2.1

     26 November 2014 at 3:03 pm

     He’s done it again in the House! He’s Just reeled off a hard hitting, no holds barred speech in the General debate. Fabulous stuff. Somebody link it to this post when it becomes available please?
     • Anne 2.1.1

       26 November 2014 at 3:24 pm

       Here it is:

       http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/35004
3. cogito 3

   26 November 2014 at 2:54 pm

   Cut the crap is spot on as NZ’s Prime Schmuck is full of it.
4. Michael 4

   26 November 2014 at 2:55 pm

   Little’s speech was one of the best I’ve heard in a while.
   • karol 4.1

     26 November 2014 at 3:07 pm

     YEP. He called out John Key for his money trader ethics, in a fiery speech. And he asked who int he National Party was going to stand up and show some ethics.
     • One Anonymous Bloke 4.1.1

       26 November 2014 at 3:13 pm

       Unless I’m very much mistaken, he called for some better wingnuts 😀
       • Tracey 4.1.1.1

         26 November 2014 at 3:31 pm

         LOL
       • sabine 4.1.1.2

         26 November 2014 at 4:17 pm

         He did. Obviously the quality of trolls is lacking not just at the Standard.

         lol.
   • Chris 4.2

     26 November 2014 at 4:23 pm

     About time opposition MPs started to show outrage. They’ve been too bloody tame for a long time now and is one of the reasons Key and his mates get away with so much.
     • AmaKiwi 4.2.1

       26 November 2014 at 9:10 pm

       It is “inappropriate” and “unacceptable” for the government to . . .

       Good riddance to those two words.

       If anyone makes bumper stickers I’ll buy a hundred that say, “cut the crap.” My LEC will have no trouble selling them.
   • Macro 4.3

     26 November 2014 at 5:12 pm

     That speech by Little was highly impressive. Yes! This is exactly what is required! Completely justified outrage at the complete lack of ethics and any sense of honesty displayed by the National “administration” – infested by corruption and sleaze.
5. Lee Paterson 5

   26 November 2014 at 3:09 pm
6. odysseus 6

   26 November 2014 at 3:12 pm

   Dead on…..http://brianedwardsmedia.co.nz/2014/11/on-the-uncanny-resemblance-between-john-key-and-sergeant-schultz/
   • Tracey 6.1

     26 November 2014 at 3:35 pm

     I hope i got a hat tip!?! 😉

     http://thestandard.org.nz/gwyn-report/#comment-930947
7. Tom 7

   26 November 2014 at 3:15 pm

   Pass it down your lines………….

   https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/Governor_General_of_New_Zealand_Investigate_all_the_allegations_of_corruption_in_the_National_government/?tKpfxeb
8. karol 8

   26 November 2014 at 3:21 pm

   Andrew Little on fire in the General Debate – takes it to Key.
9. Tom Gould 9

   26 November 2014 at 3:22 pm

   Telling Key to ‘man up’ and to ‘cut the crap’ is precisely what many of us have been yearning to hear from a Labour leader for years. This guy Andrew is looking like a winner, and it’s only been a week. The famous Key formula, borrowed from Dick Nixon, and beloved by his cronies, and the media, is not working anymore. How long before Joyce and English and Bennett realise the main chance is before them? How long can they hide their political Ponzi scheme before it goes bust?
   • b waghorn 9.1

     26 November 2014 at 3:34 pm

     Wouldn’t mind betting you could ad add Collins to your list of plotters.

     [lprent: fixed typo. ]
10. Simple Simon 10

    26 November 2014 at 3:23 pm

    Key is so dense that he just not see a problem that’s right in front of his nose.
    He will go down as one of our worst PM’s for sure.
    • tc 10.1

      26 November 2014 at 3:55 pm

      He’s not dense, far from it he’s just committed to this scripted MO as it feeds the MSM and puts muddle NZ to sleep.
      • Draco T Bastard 10.1.1

        26 November 2014 at 7:39 pm

        +1
11. Treetop 11

    26 November 2014 at 3:23 pm

    Key has taken the title off Muldoon when it comes to using confidential information to discredit an MP (Moyle 1976 ) in order to take them out of the running for PM. It does not make it OK that classified information was then declassified in order to release it (re Goff mistakenly being briefed by Tucker).

    Tucker is silent because he does not want to land the PM in it. Tucker may also have some guilt that he did not stand up to Key when it came to dealing with the hench men in the PMs office targeting Goff and Slater being the conduit. Had Tucker made the claim in a court, Tucker would now be facing a perjury charge.

    Findlayson (now the minister of the SIS) could intervene and lacks the back bone to do so.

    Well done to Little, Norman and Peters for exposing the rot in the PMs office. Either way Key has fallen short because of what he has condoned. I also find it hard to believe that the involvement the SIS had with the PMs office that they did not keep very accurate records of anyone acting on the behalf of the PM when it came to an MP because of the SIS needing to be neutral. The SIS investigated themselves, this is why a Royal Commission of Inquiry is needed.

    Those who care enough to see through Key I say this to them.

    “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good people do nothing.”
    • AmaKiwi 11.1

      26 November 2014 at 9:16 pm

      What makes you think this is the one and only time Tucker did something like this for Key/Nats?
      • Murray Rawshark 11.1.1

        27 November 2014 at 12:45 am

        I don’t. Squirrels always favour Tories. They must have tastier nuts or something. There will be more, and it will come to light. Our country is in a real mess.
      • Treetop 11.1.2

        27 November 2014 at 10:20 am

        Until there is a Royal Commission of Inquiry into Tucker misleading and being partisan to the government of the day, Tucker will get away with his dirty politics which goes on/has gone on in the PMs office.

        As for the Inspector General (Gwyn) exposing the crap, she cannot even get the deleted emails from Edes computer. Kitteridge (SIS Director) has stated that Gwyn can go into the SIS at any time and look at anything.

        A 10 hour raid on Hager and all IT records have been seized and will be forensically examined and Edes computer still sitting in the PM’s office with what I expect to be compelling evidence (because of what was deleted) to me this is contemptible.
12. weka 12

    26 November 2014 at 3:26 pm

    Where did Little first say ‘cut the crap’?

    Almost as good as just saying’s “Just Tell the Fucking Truth” 😉
    • Treetop 12.1

      26 November 2014 at 3:46 pm

      Stop lying to NZ would also do it.
      • Tracey 12.1.1

        26 November 2014 at 4:16 pm

        Cut the crap is better cos it can be used by any mp in the house whenever Key opens his mouth.
        • Dialey 12.1.1.1

          26 November 2014 at 6:55 pm

          Also “cut the crap Key ” is nice alliteration, rolls off the tongue easily and repeatably
        • Treetop 12.1.1.2

          26 November 2014 at 8:33 pm

          My comment was to “Just Tell the F**king Truth”

          Cut the crap is hard to beat. It would make a good mantra as well, maybe the Labour caucus could meditate to it in the house.
        • Clemgeopin 12.1.1.3

          26 November 2014 at 9:27 pm

          From now on, he could be known as CTC John.
      • alwyn 12.1.2

        26 November 2014 at 4:19 pm

        He must have been checking Speaker’s rulings before he spoke.
        You certainly aren’t allowed to accuse someone of lying and you wouldn’t get away with weka’s suggestion of fucking either. Both would get an immediate demand to withdraw and apologise, which rather slows down the rhetoric.
        Crap has clearly not been ruled out.
        • weka 12.1.2.1

          26 November 2014 at 4:57 pm

          I didn’t suggest that just saying’s aphorism be used in parliament.
          • alwyn 12.1.2.1.1

            26 November 2014 at 6:00 pm

            Actually I prefer your original version. It’s just a shame that our MPs have got so prissy.
            You used to be able to say someone was a liar I believe.
            Then in 2007 it was banned completely. Pity. It would be a fair description of just about every member of the house I would think.
            However they got soft and we got this as a Speaker’s Ruling.

            “The use of the word “liar” is absolutely forbidden in the House when it
            relates to current members. The same protection does not exist for those
            outside the House.
            2007, Vol. 637, p. 7348. Robertson (Assistant Speaker). ”

            @lprent. Are most comments still going into moderation or is it just me or something I am saying?
            • Tracey 12.1.2.1.1.1

              26 November 2014 at 6:17 pm

              Comments seem to be randomly going into moderation. Some of mine do. Some dont.
              • lprent …

                26 November 2014 at 6:23 pm

                It is some kind of conflict on some of the plugins contending over a record with locks.

                Problem is that I think there are several and I can’t figure out which. I am out of time to be able to look at it again tonight.
            • weka 12.1.2.1.1.2

              26 November 2014 at 6:41 pm

              Probably an interesting anthropoligical history to be written there alwyn.
          • Tracey 12.1.2.1.2

            26 November 2014 at 6:16 pm

            Alwyn just stating the obvious. It seems a better option that addressing the constant lies or stupidity of the PM?

            Running into parliament to correct the record as Tv3 catch him in another lie.
        • North 12.1.2.2

          26 November 2014 at 9:58 pm

          So you’re surrendering are you Alwyn ?

          {RL: We don’t like these kind of ‘pwned’ comments. They contribute nothing and start flames.]
      • Zolan 12.1.3

        26 November 2014 at 5:13 pm

        How about, “Be Adequate!” 😛
    • karol 12.2

      26 November 2014 at 3:50 pm

      In his question to Key in question 2. Key answered a question gleefully attacking the Labour Party. Little’s next question was, “When is the PM going to cut the crap?”

      “Why doesn’t he just cut the crap and apologise for running a smear machine out of his office?
      • weka 12.2.1

        26 November 2014 at 4:07 pm

        thanks karol.
13. emergency mike 13

    26 November 2014 at 4:09 pm

    Damn, pretty impressed with Little today. Goff, Shearer, and Cunliffe all tried the measured, reasoned approach against Key, trying to show restraint against getting too fired up. Cunliffe did the best of those three, but had to deal with one too many unfair obstacles, (e.g. the Labour Party).

    But Little’s clearly going for a new approach. F*ck restraint, just call a spade a spade. I like it.
    • ankerawshark 13.1

      26 November 2014 at 7:50 pm

      I love “cut the crap”. Because it is not just about whether something is a lie (which people can deny and debate). Its denting Key’s image. “cut the crap” implies the person is lying, stupid, wasting time, full of it. It is a reasonably subtle form of ridicule and It is the sort of thing that will (hopefully) stick. When people are watching Key on the tele, hopefully this will go through their minds every time he opens his mouth.

      Also its not too offensive or rude (like Key’s a f…ing liar) would be. So its palatable to the masses.

      Andrew Little, you have been hiding your light under a bushell. Glad you have surfaced and that I voted for you.
      • AmaKiwi 13.1.1

        26 November 2014 at 9:24 pm

        “Cut the crap” works for a numerous issues and situations: SIS additional powers, budget/deficits, beneficiary bashing, TPP, Christchurch rebuild, advantages for employers over workers, highways of national disgrace, selling the environment . . . the list is endless.
    • Murray Rawshark 13.2

      27 November 2014 at 12:50 am

      Yeah, it makes a change and it’s about time. When Key is asked a serious question, he just acts like a clown and speakers let him get away with it. If Labour can get this right, all they’ll need is decent policies and some notion of how to cooperate with the left.
14. Jenny Kirk 14

    26 November 2014 at 4:09 pm

    What a huge relief to have a Leader who tells it as it is !
15. aerobubble 15

    26 November 2014 at 4:10 pm

    Its about legacy and integrity. That Slater-Eed-Tucker were all of the belief that John Key could not win re-election, needed their help. The astonishing thing is Key is standing by all of them. Returns Slaters calls, keepin Eed on, and Tucker remaining at liberty.

    Key was Tuckers minister, Eed was working for the National party which Key leads, Slater called Eeds with Key consent, Eed working in the office of PM. All ated to benefit Key.

    National got into power in part by smearing the Clark government over such things as shower pressure. It seems remarkable they want to keep Key on and get smear as the return of Muldoon and the infamy of Nixon.

    Key will hold out while the knifes are drawn, Key will rush to put Collins into Cabinet, since she damaged and the dirt is available to hand, before the knives get too sharp and Key is rolled.

    Its about integrity and legacy, Nationals new clothes and whether they will wear them.
16. mac1 16

    26 November 2014 at 4:10 pm

    Yes, Little was full of fire and passion- straight, direct and straight to the heart in today’s general debate. Straight to the heart of the matter, straight to the dead heart of the National and straight to the true heart of Labour.

    And Robertson following was also very strong- powerful and fluent, and seemingly unscripted.

    Go, Labour!
17. ianmac 17

    26 November 2014 at 4:11 pm

    Winston asked a curious question of the PM, “Did he know that Slater published the SIS report 8 days ago?” ???

    Andrew on fire! No one is asleep for this one!
    • Tracey 17.1

      26 November 2014 at 4:35 pm

      Did slater publish it 8 days ago?
    • karol 17.2

      26 November 2014 at 4:44 pm

      Gwyn is threatening to set police on Goff for his early release of the report.

      NRT says:

      The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security is now threatening John Key’s victim with prosecution:
      […]
      Presumably such a prosecution would be under section 29 Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security Act 1996, which prohibits the unapproved publication of IGIS reports. But it is difficult to see how such a prosecution could possibly succeed, because the report was approved for release. While it was discussed with the media before the IGIS made her announcement, a press embargo is a PR measure, not a security one. Any court with a proper respect for the right of freedom of expression affirmed in the BORA would find that. The IGIS doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Instead, by attempting to bully a victim of the SIS (and an MP), all she has done is bring her office – and the whole idea that it is an effective check and balance on SIS behaviour – into disrepute. And if they’re going to try and bully Members of Parliament – their ultimate bosses – I’m happy to see both the IGIS,and the spies she supposedly “oversees”, shut down permanently.

      And why was the Gwyn Report (and others) set for release the same day as Little was announcing his line up?

      Is the threat to convict Goff another instance of the politicisation of the SIS?
      • Tracey 17.2.1

        26 November 2014 at 5:27 pm

        So Goff is the one who broke the embargo?
        • karol 17.2.1.1

          26 November 2014 at 5:33 pm

          Apparently he admitted leaking some of it on RNZ this morning.

          As stated by Key in Question Time today.

          It’s the same question and transcript where Peters claims Slater leaked the report 8 days ago.
          • Tracey 17.2.1.1.1

            26 November 2014 at 5:43 pm

            Thanks.

            Well you could say it diverted any negative commentary on the new labour lineup.
          • RedLogix 17.2.1.1.2

            26 November 2014 at 6:12 pm

            No I just listened to the appalling interview with Espiner here:

            http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/20158687/phil-goff-sticks-to-calls-for-pm-to-resign

            Espiner tries desperately to draw some kind of absurd equivalence between Goff giving a ‘heads up’ about the report one day before it’s release – and the Slater debacle. It’s truly disgusting and I don’t use that phrase lightly.

            Goff showed the report to nobody except the Party Leader and Whip who needed to know. So no actual leak of the report.

            However clearly everyone in the media knew Goff had the report and were asking him for interviews. Goff repeatedly stated he could not give an interview until after the report was released. But it was perfectly legitimate for Goff (who is the injured party here after all) to make the general point that it exonerated him and confirmed his version of events.

            That is not a leak. Espiner is being a complete shitbag.
            • Tracey 17.2.1.1.2.1

              26 November 2014 at 6:20 pm

              So, that leaves us wondering who did… With Key this afternoon lying about his recent contact with slater, and when confronted by tv3 with evidence he and slater texted over the report running into parliament to tell the truth…
              • ScottGN …

                26 November 2014 at 6:28 pm

                It’s amazing isn’t it? He out and out lied to that question from Megan Woods. How many times now has he had to come scurrying back to The House to make a correction in order to avoid the Privileges Committee?
                • karol …

                  26 November 2014 at 8:25 pm

                  Well you can check his personal explanations to the House here.
                  • ScottGN …

                    26 November 2014 at 8:33 pm

                    I counted 7.
                  • Anne …

                    26 November 2014 at 8:56 pm

                    Labour leader Andrew Little said the development was “disturbing” and that Key must now be drawn into a review by the Inspector General of Intelligence and Security over whether her report had been discussed before its release.

                    “He [the Prime Minister] was asked a very straightforward question about it in Parliament that required a yes or no answer. The answer was yes and he said no. He has misled New Zealand,” Little said.

                    “What we know is John Key has said something in Parliament which we now know is wrong. This is a disturbing development at a time when the Prime Minister’s office is in question for its lack of integrity and ethics,” Little said.

                    “It shows that we have a prime minister who has no ethical bottom lines at all, no integrity, no moral fibre. He carried on as if there is no difference. This is disturbing. New Zealanders should be worried”.

                    Little said that he expected Key to “co-operate fully with the inspector general”

                    Oh the glorious irony.

                    Btw, this came form a Herald link but when I went to link it this passage had gone!
                    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11364989
                    • Anne …

                      26 November 2014 at 9:10 pm

                      Wrong link. Here’s the right one:

                      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/63570264/John-Key-misled-Parliament

                      Think I’ll hang up my hat for the night. 🙁
                    • Tracey …

                      27 November 2014 at 8:21 am

                      Media asked the question on Tuesday, hours after the texting. No one can believe he forgot, can they?

                      How untouchable does he think he is, that he isnt just ignoring slater texts
            • North 17.2.1.1.2.2

              26 November 2014 at 10:25 pm

              Prosecute Goff. ?……go right ahead……it’s hardly John Banks or Sergeant Schultz fucking over ‘homeland security’ at ChCh airport. Coupla grand fine. Were he not well equipped to handle the monetary impost after a lifetime of ummh…….good wedge, I’d contribute……just keeps the filth of Johnty Key on the front page. And since the overall victim was Goff in all of this I suspect most people would go “What the fuck…..???”

              Given Key’s focus on ‘the leak’ in Parliament today I wonder whether Boy Guyon’s and Girly Susie’s persistent efforts to make ‘the leak’ the central issue on RNZ Monday or Tuesday morning akshully reflects prior knowledge that ‘the leak’ would be the tack Mr Gauche was going to pursue in a day or so.

              Would make them both arseholes of course but I’m not persuaded that my nostrils lie. We live in a very small pond.

              CUT THE CRAP !!!
              • RedLogix …

                26 November 2014 at 10:42 pm

                NRT makes the very pertinent point that:

                Presumably such a prosecution would be under section 29 Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security Act 1996, which prohibits the unapproved publication of IGIS reports.

                But it is difficult to see how such a prosecution could possibly succeed, because the report was approved for release. While it was discussed with the media before the IGIS made her announcement, a press embargo is a PR measure, not a security one.

                Any court with a proper respect for the right of freedom of expression affirmed in the BORA would find that. The IGIS doesn’t have a leg to stand on.
            • KPC 17.2.1.1.2.3

              27 November 2014 at 8:42 pm

              Heard the same interview this morning and was almost made sick by Espiner’s attack on Phil Goff. Even later today Jane Clifton said that Goffs’ admission before the embargo lifted were that of a relieved and happy person, who had been exonerated. Not someone who wanted to muddy the waters (so to speak).
      • Tony T 17.2.2

        26 November 2014 at 9:30 pm

        gooooood question
    • DoublePlusGood 17.3

      26 November 2014 at 4:44 pm

      Well, if you look at the back of some of the videos, I think Jami-Lee Ross is asleep for some of it.
      • Anne 17.3.1

        26 November 2014 at 4:54 pm

        Pretending.
18. Zolan 18

    26 November 2014 at 4:14 pm

    All the MSM has to do is show this for their own salcious entertainment purposes, and more than a few NZers will be saying “too right!” — regardless of the reporter’s editorial spin.
19. RedLogix 19

    26 November 2014 at 4:15 pm

    The underlying reason why this incident, while in one sense superficially trifling, is important – is that is almost certainly part of a much larger pattern of malfeasance.

    This cannot be the only instance of this happening. On several prior occasions I’ve speculated that the teflon in Key’s name has to be due to more than good luck. And I’m not the only one to have had this suspicion. As evidenced by the way both Russel and Little are going for the jugular on this – in the expectation that the pressure will shake something else from the tree.

    Because it will only take one more allegation of something similar – and Key will have to resign. Now consider who might be sitting on such a hand grenade. Who else but “Mr Regular Wee Chats Slater” is who. Hence the absurdist apology given to Slater earlier this week. Hence David Fisher’s masterclass in sardonic report on a meeting between Carrick and Odgers. Hence Winston’s remarkable interjection re Slater leaking the report 8 days earlier.

    And might explain this from the ever sly John Armstrong:

    For starters, no political party likes to yield even a millimetre to its opponents. But the worry was that an apology would amount to an admission of guilt and only intensify Opposition calls for a further inquiry.

    Pay attention to the details – something unexpected may turn up.
    • Tracey 19.1

      26 November 2014 at 4:36 pm

      Interesting points redl… Very thought provoking
      • felix 19.1.1

        26 November 2014 at 4:42 pm

        hmmm indeed…
    • weka 19.2

      26 November 2014 at 5:08 pm

      +1 RL

      It’s a tipping point and the pressure needs to be kept on.
      • Tracey 19.2.1

        26 November 2014 at 5:14 pm

        Problem is john armstrong seems to think it is someone elses job
        • weka 19.2.1.1

          26 November 2014 at 5:18 pm

          I was thinking of Little and Norman etc. Plus everyone who’s speaking on this. Bugger the likes of Armstrong.
          • Tracey 19.2.1.1.1

            26 November 2014 at 5:22 pm

            the media is the conduit. Most voters will never hear or see Littles utterances today or yesterday.
            • karol 19.2.1.1.1.1

              26 November 2014 at 5:29 pm

              Clips from Little’s speech yesterday, calling Key’s government the dirtiest, filthiest, whatever, int he history of NZ politics, made the TV3 evening news. And it was repeated with the hourly news on RNZ.

              I suspect Little’s “cut the crap” question will make the evening news tonight – he is getting cut through, even though, I suspect the release of the various reports this week were meant to bury Little’s start as leader of Labour in the House.
              • weka …

                26 November 2014 at 5:33 pm

                Don’t normall watch the 6pm news. Is TV1 or TV3 the better bet tonight?
                • karol …

                  26 November 2014 at 6:45 pm

                  Sorry – only just seen your question, weka. I went for 3 News as Gower had tweeted about cut the crap.

                  If you get plus 1 channels, I’d go for that. headline item was Ferguson, then came Dirty Politics – began with Key’s correction in the House.

                  Key’s personal explanation:

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxyuEuVtFHQ

                  Then Gower on Little’s cut the crap – said Little has had a very good start to the leadership and has defied expectations.

                  The clip of Key trying to say Labour run black ops, just referred to Goff’s leak of the SIS report.

                  Key had actually run through various attempts by Labour to attack him/Nats, beginning with someone giving a false name and recording English at a conference, plus Williams’ attempt to get some dirt on key as a money trader – hardly anything like the smear machine the Nats have been running,.
                  • Paul …

                    26 November 2014 at 6:49 pm

                    Now in the Herald.

                    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11364989
                    • karol …

                      26 November 2014 at 7:18 pm

                      And Gower says another journalist asked key about texts from Slater on Tuesday pm. Key said “no”.

                      So his mis-truth in the house was not just misunderstanding the question today.

                      @mizjwilliams asked John Key direct about Whaleoil texts Tuesday 1.56pm. Key answered “no” despite texting Whaleoil night before.
                    • weka …

                      26 November 2014 at 7:38 pm

                      Just saw this on twitter,

                      Sacha Dylan retweeted
                      Antonia G ‏@warofpositionnz 1 hr1 hour ago
                      @kaupapa @publicaddress Little’s doing fine but Greens are really nailing this. RN speech yesterday, and MT in QT today provoked Key’s lie.
                  • weka …

                    26 November 2014 at 7:26 pm

                    no worries karol and thanks for the overview!

                    I don’t have a tv, so will have a look online.

                    I saw the Key defense earlier and thought how pathetic, all those Nat MPs cheering on their little liar using bluster that doesn’t fool anyone anymore, and them bamn! Little comes in with cut the crap. Perfect.
                    • Skinny …

                      26 November 2014 at 9:09 pm

                      Crap happy chappy Key is going to be weighted down with shit that finally sticks. Judy Doll seeks revenge and she will extract it. Collins is twice the man slippery will ever be!
                    • weka …

                      26 November 2014 at 9:58 pm

                      funny.
              • Bob …

                26 November 2014 at 6:17 pm

                Go and ask most people next week, at the end of the year etc no most people do not give a toss what happens in the house. It looks like children arguing most of the time which is what this looks like. The majority of people will get tired of this very quickly do not try and read much into this.
                • RedLogix …

                  26 November 2014 at 6:30 pm

                  Oh look the “I’m not interested defense” again.

                  Many of the big moments in political history start out as minor things in the Beltway – some get legs, some don’t. We’ve yet to see how this one plays.

                  I don’t think that on it’s own this will bring Key down – but it does have all the makings of an irreversible step along the way.

                  Because everyone knows Key has made an utter doofus of himself, he’s painted himself thoroughly into a corner where he cannot do the obvious and plain thing – and apologise.

                  Worse still his defense has been to insist that black is white, and then cover that up with one absurd red herring after another. In one sense it’s a masterly display of derailment, in another, every adult in the room can see what is happening. A Prime Minister who has gotten away with one form of deception after another for six years – has finally jumped the shark.

                  He’ll keep on going with sheer momentum for a while, but I suspect we’ll see this as the tipping point.
                  • Anne …

                    26 November 2014 at 6:48 pm

                    …but I suspect we’ll see this as the tipping point.

                    Yes, even if he manages to get away with it once again he will know now that fourth term is a mirage, so he’ll be planning his exit to Hawaii sometime with in the next two years.
                  • weka …

                    26 November 2014 at 7:29 pm

                    yep. If this is Key’s downfall, either now or further down the slope, it’s not middle NZ that will make it happen. It’s political players, journos, the people in power doing their jobs properly and the commentariat that will provide the push.
                  • Bob …

                    26 November 2014 at 8:55 pm

                    Sorry do not buy it. Labour and the Greens will probably bite down and this which will go no where and they will go around in circles thinking they have something really major when in fact they don’t.

                    Everyone else will move on yet Labour and the Greens will still try and go back to this. Winston Peters has not said much that shows what a big deal this really is as this is his bread and butter.

                    As you said we have yet to see how this plays out yet 75% of people here think this is the biggest most important thing in the world, hardly. Lower taxes will beat dirty politics every day of the week!
                    • mickysavage …

                      26 November 2014 at 9:42 pm

                      Bob you are reinforcing the “Im not interested defence” that RL mentioned.

                      You are falling into a trap. The Press corp hunt as a pack. During the campaign after dirty politics broke they realised that Key was lying to them. There was then a series of press interviews where Key realised they realised that Key was lying to them and they realised that Key realised that they realised Key was lying to them. It was always going to end in tears.

                      We are now seeing evidence of this.
                    • Anne …

                      26 November 2014 at 10:35 pm

                      Good one mickysavage. That’ll keep Bob busy for the rest of the night unraveling all the realisations and what each of them means. By the morning he should be able to reply.
            • weka 19.2.1.1.1.2

              26 November 2014 at 5:31 pm

              “the media is the conduit. Most voters will never hear or see Littles utterances today or yesterday.”

              Armstrong isn’t the media 😉

              In other words, which media are getting it right?
              • Tracey …

                26 November 2014 at 5:48 pm

                Fair comment. Herald has circulation of nearly half a million tho.

                Karol, I saw the clip on tv3 too, kept waiting for gower to finish with, ” Hager was right”… But so far no one in the fourth estate has the courage.
                • weka …

                  26 November 2014 at 6:23 pm

                  When we are at a tipping point like this I think the best strategy is to keep the pressure on proactively. Criticism of the media has its place, but at this point I see the most important thing as mass support behind Little and Norman and anyone else who has institutional power and is applying it ie the journos who are doing the right things.

                  Who else at the Herald is getting it right? What’s happening in the comments sections of Armstrong’s articles?
    • ianmac 19.3

      26 November 2014 at 5:35 pm

      You never know for sure with Winston but the Slater 8 days ago is strange. It raises the question of just which day was the report actually handed over to the Government. Yesterday? Last week? Mmmm.
      • ScottGN 19.3.1

        26 November 2014 at 5:57 pm

        I think all relevant parties have had the report since last week ianmac.
      • Anne 19.3.2

        26 November 2014 at 6:52 pm

        Sounds like he knows something about the “contact with Slater” a week or so ago that forced Key to return to the House just before the tea break and make a personal statement.
      • Murray Rawshark 19.3.3

        27 November 2014 at 1:06 am

        I’ve given up waiting for Winston to ever come up with anything significant. It usually seems to be nothing but hot air.
20. Chooky 20

    26 November 2014 at 4:22 pm

    Thanks for that…What a great speech from Andrew Little!….wow next Prime minister of New Zealand!

    …and it may happen sooner rather than later , because John Key is thoroughly disgraced
21. Andrea 21

    26 November 2014 at 4:27 pm

    And – thank you David Cunliffe for recommending Andrew Little.
22. Anne 22

    26 November 2014 at 4:40 pm

    Yes, and any suggestion David Cunliffe was just in the political game for himself has been scuttled.
    • Tracey 22.1

      26 November 2014 at 5:26 pm

      Yup.

      The labour mps around little during his general debate were the most animated in a long time…
    • ankerawshark 22.2

      26 November 2014 at 7:58 pm

      1000+ Andrea and Anne re David Cunliffe.
      • Olwyn 22.2.1

        26 November 2014 at 8:17 pm

        +1000 from me as well, Andrea and Anne.
23. Penny Bright 23

    26 November 2014 at 4:46 pm

    FYI folks.

    ______________________________________________________________________________________

    26 November 2014

    Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security
    Cheryl Gwyn

    ‘Open Letter’ to Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security Cheryl Gwyn: What is the procedure for laying charges against the (former) Director of the SIS and Prime Minister for breaching the NZ SIS Act 1969?

    Dear Inspector-General,

    I have spent some hours studying your “Report into the release of information by the New Zealand Security Intelligence Service in July and August 2011”, and am deeply disappointed that you have, in my considered opinion, effectively ignored the herd of mammoth elephants in the room, namely the role of the party political, highly partisan Office of the Prime Minister.

    You may recall that I sent you an email on 12 September 2014, asking:

    “This is a formal request for you to please ensure that your current “in-depth and robust inquiry” into claims Security Intelligence Service (SIS) information was used for political purposes covers the underpinning role of the Office of the Prime Minister. (if it does not already do so).”

    You chose not to so do, thus. in my considered opinion, your above-mentioned Report has not dealt with the underpinning problem, and does not provide recommendations that will solve the underpinning problem.

    Which is – that the politically partisan Office of the Prime Minister, whose role is that of covering the Prime Minister in his role as Leader of the National Party is not itself covered by statute, regulation, protocols or procedures, and is effectively, ‘out of control’.

    However, I believe that your Report, does provide clear evidence which proves that the New Zealand Security Intelligence Service Act 1969 s. 4AA Political neutrality of New Zealand Security Intelligence Service, has, in my considered opinion, been clearly breached:

    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1969/0024/latest/DLM391813.html

    4AA Political neutrality of New Zealand Security Intelligence Service

    (1)The Director must take all reasonable steps to ensure that—
    (a)the activities of the Security Intelligence Service are limited to those that are relevant to the discharge of its functions:

    (b)the Security Intelligence Service is kept free from any influence or consideration that is not relevant to its functions:

    (c)the Security Intelligence Service does not take any action for the purpose of furthering or harming the interests of any political party.

    (2)The Minister may not direct the Security Intelligence Service to institute the surveillance of any person or entity or any class of person or entity within New Zealand.

    (3)The Director must consult regularly with the Leader of the Opposition for the purpose of keeping him or her informed about matters relating to security.

    (4)Subsection (2) prevails over section 4(1).

    Section 4AA: inserted, on 1 September 1999, by section 4 of the New Zealand Security Intelligence Service Amendment Act (No 2) 1999 (1999 No 91).

    ______________________________________________________________________________________

    What are the ‘offences and penalties’ for alleged breaches of the New Zealand Security Intelligence Service Act 1969?

    I want charges to be laid against :

    A) John Key, in his (then) capacity as Prime Minister responsible for the SIS, and Leader of the National Party, thus responsible for his Office of the Prime Minister.

    B) Warren Tucker, former Director of the SIS.

    Please advise me of the process to be followed, and to whom I should make this request for such charges to be laid.

    Yours sincerely,

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption whistle-blower / Public Watchdog’
    …………………
    • Chooky 23.1

      26 November 2014 at 5:36 pm

      +100…be interested in the reply Penny…
    • Sans Cle 23.2

      26 November 2014 at 7:15 pm

      Keep up the good work Penny. I appreciate your tireless and selfless efforts.
24. rhinocrates 24

    26 November 2014 at 5:23 pm

    Hopefully it marks a definite end to the Stockholm Syndrome of the Goff and Mumblefuck era: “We need to be just like them but fluffier, sweeter and stickier”.
25. vto 25

    26 November 2014 at 5:31 pm

    absolutely brilliant

    little has in spades what goff shearer and cunliffe had in thimbles

    you can feel the honest passion.

    key is being exposed

    go man go
26. Ben Adam 26

    26 November 2014 at 5:46 pm

    When Andrew said ‘cut the crap’ it applies not only to Key to stop talking utter #%&t, but also an admonition to his National party caucus members to cut Key off as their leader because Key has been arrogant and coming across as nothing but a dirty stinky crap himself! I think English is eagerly waiting to get rid of this contemptuous money trader masquerading as an innocent honest PM!
    • ankerawshark 26.1

      26 November 2014 at 8:00 pm

      BEn A @ 26. Yes I think that is very smart of Andrew Little. He is sowing the seeds of dissension in the mind of the National MP’s. Splitting them.
27. Manuka AOR 27

    26 November 2014 at 6:02 pm

    Fantastic! NZ has a real Opposition once again.

    Bit of a miracle – There really is Hope for the future for Aotearoa. Best thing that’s happened in a long, long time.
28. whateva next? 28

    26 November 2014 at 6:18 pm

    Absolutely cutting through the crap, Andrew Little…and as for trying to focus on Phil Goff now, well hadn’t he waited long enough to hear what he already knew, and for crying out loud, at least he has admitted it, unlike Peter Dunne and the Kitteridge report, which Key didn’t seem that fussed about at the time? Credit to Goff for not lying I say.
29. dad4justice 29

    26 November 2014 at 6:19 pm

    John Key and that insane Whaleoil text each other. Both of these filthy mongrels should be in a prison cell. What a sick country New Zealand has become!
    • whateva next? 29.1

      26 November 2014 at 6:23 pm

      …and Key goes running back to parliament to “correct” his response to question “have you had contact with whaleblubber?”….after speaking with Crosby Textor no doubt, and if Labour ever tried to “correct” what hey had earlier stated, in the same day, imagine the fall out from that!!!!!!!
      Misunderstood the question AGAIN? Still cannot believe his flippant, arrogant response to Smith’s escape. Play it again John
      • dad4justice 29.1.1

        26 November 2014 at 6:29 pm

        Key has been caught out lying big time. His relationship with the insane fat mental Whaleblubber should be his downfall but New Zealanders are happy with corrupt politicians eh suckers!
30. repateet 30

    26 November 2014 at 6:19 pm

    He’s told to cut the crap on a day where he has to come back and correct the fact that he’d been talking crap? Is that some sort of record?
    • phillip ure 30.1

      26 November 2014 at 8:53 pm

      @ repateet..

      ..heh..!
31. meconism 31

    26 November 2014 at 6:28 pm

    Has anyone asked Mr Key if he has read the IGIS report ? Because he may not have. You know he does have form on this.
    • GregJ 31.1

      26 November 2014 at 6:45 pm

      The Prime Minister’s Office may have read it, and Mr Key can’t recall receiving it, Cameron Slater’s friend probably has and Bronagh’s husband has probably glanced at it. Max & Stephie Key’s father was unavailable for comment. 😈
    • karol 31.2

      26 November 2014 at 6:48 pm

      He has quoted from specific parts of the report in The House.
32. Ad 32

    26 November 2014 at 6:49 pm

    Now, I watch a bit of UFC.
    This felt like Werdum v Emelienko.

    Werdum has learnt a huge amount over recent years.
    Whereas Emelienko was just straight genius, for over a decade.
    Werdum would not have been in his class just two years ago.

    Werdum got hit real hard, but choked Emelienko out pretty unexpectedly.

    I love the viscera and fight of Little. EPMU brung him up right. The left haven’t have that kind of fight for decades – maybe we haven’t seen this kind of brawler since Semple.

    LIttle is fully stepping Key out here.
    And Key actually said he’s looking forward to the debates.
    Key no longer has to deal with a light-heavyweight moving up a class.

    Little is the heavyweight he promised us he would be.
    But he will need to keep up this work rate, with consistent big TV hits, to really take the belt off this astonishing master.
    • Ad 32.1

      26 November 2014 at 7:15 pm

      Key has now admitted he text-exchanged with Slater about the Gwyn Report.
      This is a sizable self-inflicted injury on Key.

      TV 1 and 3 will now amplify this all week.

      Not a great start term.
      Still, if Brown can recover, anyone can…
      • BM 32.1.1

        26 November 2014 at 7:57 pm

        You might find this interesting
        http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/11/labours-dirty-politics-scam-busted/
        • lprent 32.1.1.1

          26 November 2014 at 8:15 pm

          Ah that would be that slightly left of centre guy. You notice that he isn’t on our feed?

          I have no particular idea who he is. His site seemed ‘odd’ when I looked at earlier in the year. So I asked and didn’t get a particularly favourable response. So I left him off.

          He felt like an attention seeker rather than being really interested in either politics or blogging. It usually doesn’t work out. When I later heard that Cameron was mentoring him, I just smiled and waited for the inevitable betrayal and ‘scoop’.

          From what I have seen of his work, I suspect that Cameron was looking at a mirror… It was exactly the kind of crap Cameron would get up to in the early days. But I doubt it had anything more to do with Labour than this guy mouthing off.
          • BM 32.1.1.1.1

            26 November 2014 at 8:22 pm

            Do you think this story may have legs?
            Dirty politics, labour pointing the finger, but they’re doing it as well.

            Media likes nothing better than some one getting hoisted by their own petard.
            ————————————————
            Seem to be always going into moderation, also noticed none of my posts over the last day or so are showing up in the search.
            More db issues?
            • lprent 32.1.1.1.1.1

              26 November 2014 at 8:46 pm

              Nah. I thought he was likely to be a dingbat. I think that Cameron got suckered by a blabbermouth.

              Of all the people I’d least expect a dirty politics thing from in Labour, Annette King would be at the top of my list. I have simply never seen her do it. She just does real nitty gritty clean leverage politics. I think that any journo would laugh their socks off at the suggestion.

              If she was was involved at all, it would have been because it was already general knowledge in parliament and the gallery. ie a blabbermouth trying to be a player. I have seen a few of the boring fools before. Like Cameron.,.
            • lprent 32.1.1.1.1.2

              26 November 2014 at 9:03 pm

              There appears to be a plugin conflict. I know what the problem is, but can’t isolate it. It is kind of hard when the site is running hot and the only time it happens is when it is running hot with comments, and I can’t afford the after midnight sleepless nights except on weekends or for emergencies. Most comments don’t hit it, but we tend to get 4 or 5 at a time.

              I suspect we will have to limp to the weekend with it.
              • RedLogix …

                26 November 2014 at 9:08 pm

                Doing my best to keep up Lynn. It doesn’t seem to hit logged in members like myself or DtB. And some users get hit harder than others. That’s the only pattern I can see so far.
              • BM …

                26 November 2014 at 9:18 pm

                That’s a bit of a pisser, trying to debug someone elses code sucks arse.
                • lprent …

                  26 November 2014 at 9:22 pm

                  In this case, it looks like a combination of many people’s code.

                  But I do that a lot at work as well. Even on Greenfield projects you have to lean on a lot of libraries.
                  • BM …

                    26 November 2014 at 9:35 pm

                    Yeah, that seems to be part and parcel of software development, without 3rd party libraries I doubt most projects would ever get completed.

                    From experience, support and documentation are my two biggies when it comes to choosing 3rd party libraries.

                    Nothing more annoying than getting let down by others code.
                    • lprent …

                      26 November 2014 at 9:50 pm

                      I usually just check for actively solved solutions on the net and what the issues were. Tells me almost everything I usually need to know. Open source helps a lot. I only use closed source for some very specialized application needs like game level rendering. It has been a bit weird heading back into legacy code on windows and looking at absurbities like the Microsoft descriptions of cabwiz for a windows mobile. A bit short on useful docs….
            • Weepus beard 32.1.1.1.1.3

              26 November 2014 at 9:06 pm

              That’s cute. You troll the site 24/7 then complain your comments are auto-moderated. That’s the kind of arrogance John Key would be proud of.
              • BM …

                26 November 2014 at 9:13 pm

                😈
                • Weepus beard …

                  26 November 2014 at 9:15 pm

                  So you admit you are a troll, and arrogant, and proud of it?

                  Good to know.
          • Draco T Bastard 32.1.1.1.2

            26 November 2014 at 8:34 pm

            That slightly left of centre dick is about as left of centre as I am right of centre.
          • karol 32.1.1.1.3

            26 November 2014 at 8:43 pm

            Dim Post’s analysis of the Forman leak and his Slater connections:

            Slater claims Forman is in cahoots with Labour, but especially with Annette King.

            danylmc concludes:

            What the hell is going on? I don’t know. But based on the premise that everything Slater says is a lie, my guess is that Slater had Forman leak the details of his text conversation with Key, and that this ‘falling out’ is a sham to make Forman look like a slightly less obvious sock-puppet of Slater’s.
            • weka 32.1.1.1.3.1

              26 November 2014 at 8:48 pm

              Various twitter speculations about Forman as Slater’s sock puppet (or half actual person half sock puppet). Vance, gtiso etc,

              https://twitter.com/gtiso/status/537496189021597697

              https://twitter.com/avancenz/status/535628535847596032

              https://twitter.com/secondzeit/status/537171516002037760
            • RedLogix 32.1.1.1.3.2

              26 November 2014 at 8:59 pm

              Sheesh – Danyl has surpassed himself with that one.

              If any of this devious dipshittery proves true – it will make Key look like an even bigger numpty for having anything to do with it.
            • weka 32.1.1.1.3.3

              26 November 2014 at 11:06 pm

              Forman has switched his blog to private.

              https://twitter.com/mizjwilliams/status/537545240932917249

              http://slightlyleftofcentre.co.nz/
          • Murray Rawshark 32.1.1.1.4

            27 November 2014 at 1:27 am

            He’s an ex Real Estate agent who says he does something with IT and has expertise in property investment. Doesn’t seem like an obvious Labour person, going from his LinkedIn profile.
33. Tim 33

    26 November 2014 at 6:55 pm

    He’s doing well already. At the very least we’ve got someone who can vent a bit of our anger for us.
34. Clemgeopin 34

    26 November 2014 at 7:03 pm

    47% of people voted for Key/National just eight weeks ago. Now I doubt if even half of those have any respect and trust left for John Key any more! He has disgraced himself and his party. It is all down hill from here for him no matter how much spin and crap he may try to spread. He has been exposed. Only complete sycophants, crooks and fools will not see that.
    • weka 34.1

      26 November 2014 at 7:43 pm

      <30% of people voted for Key eight weeks ago 😉
35. TheContrarian 35

    26 November 2014 at 7:14 pm

    Little was awesome.

    Goff never fired up, Shearer was too dozy, Cunliffe was…well, Cunliffe but Little could well swing me back to Labour
    • Lanthanide 35.1

      26 November 2014 at 10:25 pm

      I still feel like Cunliffe was hamstrung by caucus, and ridiculous smears that stuck (Donghua Liu, and the out-of-context “sorry for being a man”). Only getting ~1 year to prepare for the job because of fuck-up Shearer being the ultimate liability, of course.
36. Anne 36

    26 November 2014 at 7:27 pm

    Good to hear it TC.
37. Ad 37

    26 November 2014 at 7:30 pm

    Let’s call this a bad week for Key. Granted.

    But let no one be under any illusion that Key is anything but total king of caucus, standing astride all. He dominates his party with reach, power, and precision. All those who got recent promotions owe him total fealty.

    National’s legislative agenda – such as it is – has the complete assurance of the majority.

    His massive majority of supporters know which side their bread is buttered, and donate as if their interests were at stake.

    Polls will remain meaningless to him.

    His staff are entirely expendable – by definition they serve at the pleasure.

    He will come back with a big series of openings over 12 months:
    – The LA Premier of Lord of the Rings, and further deals
    – The commencement of construction of the National Convention Centre
    – The great Gallipoli nationalist surge
    – Wrapped in the flag contest
    – The start of Auckland’s City Rail Link
    – Further stages of the Christchurch Rebuild
    – The early completion of Waterview SH20 tunnel
    – More Treaty of Waitangi settlements

    Key is undisputed champ for a reason – because he is top of the game, none have really touched him, and he has won and won again for his supporters and donors. Good shot Little, but you need to up your work rate in the ring week after week.
    • cogito 37.1

      26 November 2014 at 10:10 pm

      “He dominates his party with reach, power, and precision. All those who got recent promotions owe him total fealty”.

      Every bit the dictator…. or DIC for short.
38. Atiawa 38

    26 November 2014 at 7:33 pm

    Big thank you to the affiliated unions of the NZ Labour Party for delivering us Andrew .

    Stand Tall.
    .
39. Paul 39

    26 November 2014 at 7:43 pm

    Fearfax .
    ‘Key misled parliament.’
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/63570264/John-Key-misled-Parliament

    Are his corporate sponsors losing their confidence in Key?
    • ScottGN 39.1

      26 November 2014 at 8:18 pm

      Great work from Megan Woods with this question. She has managed to pull the rug out from Key on one his main counter-attack lines over the Gwynn Report (Goff leaking, Labour is just as bad etc) and get him to mislead The House. I think she’s starting to really find her feet in Parliament.
    • Weepus beard 39.2

      26 November 2014 at 8:52 pm

      “It shows that we have a prime minister who has no ethical bottom lines at all, no integrity, no moral fibre. He carried on as if there is no difference. This is disturbing. New Zealanders should be worried”.

      – Andrew Little

      Bloody hell, that is some serious language there. Go Andrew Little!

      Also, I’m stunned that Key would still converse with Slater. Seems like political suicide to me.
40. Sanctuary 40

    26 November 2014 at 8:15 pm

    Watched the general debate speech.

    One word sprung to mind.

    YAY!!!!!
41. ankerawshark 41

    26 November 2014 at 8:26 pm

    Just wondering where Audrey YOung and Claire Trevitt are in all the of this/??

    The Chief Political Editor and the Deputy Political Editor of The NZ Herald???? Couldn’t find anything they have written to date about the report and about Little really owning it in parliament. Perhaps they only report what they like, little Audrey’s article on Bronagh and the panda’s in China.

    Psst, by the way Audrey was in the house yesterday. I saw her.
    • RedLogix 41.1

      26 November 2014 at 9:28 pm

      Well spotted. Often the best clues come from what is missing.
42. karol 42

    26 November 2014 at 8:32 pm

    Brook Sabin has tweeted a (redacted) copy of the leaked Slater text that resulted in catching Key out in misleading the House.
    • Murray Rawshark 42.1

      27 November 2014 at 1:35 am

      Only a moran would want Slugboy on their side. He makes a total mess of anything he tries. Key is showing the ultimate in hubris and narcissism by still communicating with him. He really does think he’s made of teflon.
43. Tom Gould 43

    26 November 2014 at 8:58 pm

    Are others sick and tired of Corin Dann covering up for Key every night on One News, or is it just me? They get away with it by claiming they get complaints from both sides. A bit Key’s defence of his running covert ‘black-ops’ out of his office that ‘they all do it’? Tonight’s herculean effort was to set up Goff to take the fall for the whole sleazy Tory mess, which really should be worth an award of some sort.
44. Redzone 44

    26 November 2014 at 9:19 pm

    On fire Little!

    At last some passion and conviction, and taking the fight.
    Already Little is showing he is the master of the of the one liner . Loved “2 doors down Ede” that will stick as will CTC. Some of the best oratory skills witnessed in the house for ages.

    Folks you are witnessing the start of the comeback.
45. Clemgeopin 45

    26 November 2014 at 10:31 pm

    STUFF: KEY ADMITS HE MISLED PARLIAMENT ABOUT CONTACT WITH SLATER!

    Prime Minister John Key has acknowledged he misled Parliament earlier today about his contact with WhaleOil blogger Cameron Slater.

    This evening Key was forced to return to the debating chamber to make a personal statement admitting he had given an incorrect answer to Labour MP Megan Woods during Question Time today.

    Woods had asked the prime minister whether he had had any contact with Slater about the reports into then-Justice Minister Judith Collins’ supposed attempts to undermine former Serious Fraud Office boss Adam Feeley, or the report of the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security (IGIS) into information from the SIS.

    At the time, Key said no.

    This evening, during the second reading of the Parole Amendment Bill, Key made a statement acknowledging the statement was wrong. He claimed that he believed Woods was only talking about one of the reports, when in fact she had asked about both.

    “On Monday the 24th of November I received an unsolicited text message from Mr Slater with a reference to the IGIS report. There was a very short exchange where I briefly acknowledged that text message.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/63570264/John-Key-misled-Parliament

    Meagan Wood’s Q 4 Today in parliament:
    http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/34994
46. venezia 46

    26 November 2014 at 10:42 pm

    Clemgeopin…Lets get this correct. Less than 30% of NZers eligible to vote actually cast their vote for John Key’s National Party.
47. RedLogix 47

    26 November 2014 at 11:12 pm

    Interesting in Stuff:

    But hours after questions about his statements were submitted, a spokeswoman released what she said was Key’s text conversation with Slater.

    The exchange sees Slater claim that a journalist, the name of whom has been withheld, “gave it away to me…Goff leaked the SIS report”.

    Key replied: “It’s a joke isn’t it. They will attack Jason [presumably Ede] for talking to u and they break the confidentiality agreement. Classic lab [Labour Party].

    Slater: “Yup…I’m very angry over it…Goff is the one who leaked oravida stuff too.”

    And then Slater writes: “They still have standard bloggers on staff”.

    The prime minister replied to Slater: “Hopefully it will all come out in time”.

    The conversation ended with Slater saying: “I wish they would hurry up…they played the real dirty politics…even tried to kill me…I have evidence of.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/63570264/PM-reveals-Slater-texts

    Goff has denied categorically giving anyone an actual copy of the report – other than the Leader and Whip. So here is Slater insinuating that it was ‘given away to me’. by a journo. A very ambiguous statement that could be read in a number of ways.

    And then there is the “They still have standard bloggers on staff” line. Presumably Lynn might want to say something about this.

    If nothing else there must be more than a few serious people in this country, legal and civil service, who must be getting pretty concerned about the Prime Minister’s very cosy relationship with the slug.
    • Weepus beard 47.1

      26 November 2014 at 11:18 pm

      C’mon. Out with it. Who here at The Standard attempted a hit on Slater?

      Also, I cannot believe our prime minister says “u” in text messages.

      It’s been quite a day.
    • McFlock 47.2

      26 November 2014 at 11:48 pm

      lol

      so the guy who claimed an sis source gave hime something when it was ede is claiming a journo gave him something that the journo claimed came from goff?

      And who tried to kill slater other than “ferals” and cantabs?
48. North 48

    26 November 2014 at 11:37 pm

    The media are a strange, facile, largely meagrely intelligent, overpaid, cafe society bunch. Sluts for ‘celebrity’. In themselves or in the ‘star’ a nod from whom on the way into the building in the morning makes their day. Have a good friend been involved in the media (TV) for decades.

    Possessed he is with the imperative of ‘balance’. Which actually means – everything’s got to end up 50/50. Regardless of anything. 50/50 is ‘balance’. If that means weighing-in to distort a reality, then so be it. That is their earnest aspiration. These people are the guardians of ‘balance’, which is 50/50. You can see how thus John Key is not a practised liar who virtually always goes unchallenged, rather he is a master of his game.

    Of course they’re always accommodating of their betters, the narcissistic, the brazen, the ‘looked-after’ outliers like Hosking and Henry. In which case, out of respect for the company ‘asset’ and the need for that uplifting morning nod from the ‘star’, 60/40 even 70/30 quite naturally becomes 50/50.

    Very sad that our democracy is inevitably badly impacted by this strange, facile, largely meagrely intelligent, overpaid, cafe society bunch.
49. Lloyd 49

    26 November 2014 at 11:55 pm

    Remember how “Nanny State” was the phrase that put the nail in Helen’s government? “Crap Government” could be just the phrase to get rid of Donkey.
    • NZJester 49.1

      27 November 2014 at 1:44 am

      How dare you.
      Crap can be recycled and made useful such as being made to produce power by extracting methane gas from it or turned into fertiliser to help crops grow.
      What can this current National government be recycled into to make something useful of it?
      You are tainting the usefulness of crap by associating it with National!
50. Clemgeopin 50

    27 November 2014 at 12:39 am

    Damien O’Connor ‏@DamienOConnorMP 2h2 hours ago
    “Key misled Parliament. Key denied twice texting Slater about report
    STAND DOWN KEY”

    Clarabelle ‏@AucklandIsland 2h2 hours ago
    “Why r Slater, Key and Collins texting after N Hagers book?
    Is it defiance/arrogance or both?”

    Damien O’Connor ‏@DamienOConnorMP 2h2 hours ago
    @AucklandIsland
    “BOTH”
    • alwyn 50.1

      27 November 2014 at 9:45 pm

      Well Damien has obviously made his peace with the Union side of the Labour Party organisation now that Little is the leader.
      I wonder whether he gets on with Grant?
      Damien was of course the man who complained about the “self serving unionists and the gaggle of gays”.
      That was when the list was chosen in 2011 and

      “Labour yesterday handed former president Andrew Little, who heads the powerful EPMU (New Zealand’s biggest private sector union) a certain seat in Parliament, and has given other union-backed candidates winnable slots in its party list for the November 26 election.

      Little this morning rejected O’Connor’s claims, while Robert Martin, chairman of the Gay Business Association of Christchurch, said the comments were inappropriate and ”redneck”.”
51. logie97 51

    27 November 2014 at 1:05 am

    Just a thought, but how come Slater has Joky Hen’s cell phone number and is able to text him?
52. NZJester 52

    27 November 2014 at 1:32 am

    Actually I wonder if it would be good for Goff to be taken to court and them have John Key called to answer questions about his texts to Slater on the same report as well. I would love for John Key to have to say something in court under oath that if later found to be false would allow him to be prosecuted for perjury.

    I get a feeling that Mr Slater is stating to seriously loose the plot.
    I could see someone on the right putting a hit out to shut him up for what he knows about what is going on behind their back room doors with all the secret deals, but no one in Labour or on the left for that matter gives a shit about if he lives or dies so he has no worries about anyone on the Left putting a hit out on him.

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