Colin Craig is serious

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1. Tracey 1

   4 August 2015 at 7:35 am

   Interesting times.
2. Tiger Mountain 2

   4 August 2015 at 7:46 am

   surely not…
   “don’t call me Shirley”–Colin Craig
3. dukeofurl 3

   4 August 2015 at 7:51 am

   Craig is just the entree, the main course will be Little. With Peters to follow as a desert.

   Dirty politics never went away, and it will be back stronger.
4. tc 4

   4 August 2015 at 7:59 am

   go for it Colin Craig and all power to you as our law enforcers seem unable to do anything about admitted law breaches.

   Interesting times indeed as Colin has the funds and the innocent zeal to make an impression on this septic issue.

   Maybe shake the sheeple awake as to how their govt goes about its business on citizens that don’t conform to their agenda.
   • Chooky 4.1

     4 August 2015 at 7:46 pm

     +100…Go Colin Craig !
5. Save NZ 5

   4 August 2015 at 8:14 am

   Go Colin.
6. Matthew Hooton 6

   4 August 2015 at 8:20 am

   Serious is one word.
   Nuts is another.
   Distributing his “book” in Dunedin???
   Is that for real?
   • dv 6.1

     4 August 2015 at 8:27 am

     Where is Jason Eade Matthew?
     • Marvellous Bearded Git 6.1.1

       4 August 2015 at 4:05 pm

       @dv +1000
       • Chooky 6.1.1.1

         4 August 2015 at 7:58 pm

         +1001 Marvellous One and dv …where is Jason Eade?!… and Cactus Kate!….least we forget

         every so often you need a person to stand up and call it as it is…to make everyone else take notice…”DIRTY POLITICS” is what it is

         …and Colin Craig is saying “Enough is Enough!”
     • dukeofurl 6.1.2

       4 August 2015 at 5:03 pm

       hes either selling airtime on radio telephones ( as if) or working at 50 Manners St Wellington
     • DoublePlusGood 6.1.3

       4 August 2015 at 6:05 pm

       Probably tied up in Hooton’s basement.
   • Lanthanide 6.2

     4 August 2015 at 8:32 am

     It is pretty loopy. He’s throwing good money after bad; his political future as a candidate is completely shot. At best he could play some sort of party president role, but even then being associated with a fledgling party in that sort of role would be a kiss of death for the party.
     • Tracey 6.2.1

       4 August 2015 at 8:53 am

       misguided doesnt equate to nuts or loopy. it is possible he knows his mp days are gone forever but still wants to shine a light on what he considers low level behaviour which harms democracy and nz. by all means disagree but that doesnt mean he is nuts or loopy.
       • tc 6.2.1.1

         4 August 2015 at 9:02 am

         Agreed this assumption about his political carrier is pure conjecture and the right will play it up rather than talk about DP which is the issue here.

         IMO he’s driven by his Christian beliefs that the DP stylings are neither fair or legal and it’s his own crusade for some justice. Good luck to him I say he’ll need it given what he’s stacked up against.
         • Lanthanide 6.2.1.1.1

           4 August 2015 at 9:08 am

           “this assumption about his political carrier is pure conjecture”

           Given that his last public statements on the matter is that he would start another new party and lead it if he couldn’t be the leader of Conservatives, I don’t think it’s “pure conjecture” at all.
       • Anne 6.2.1.2

         4 August 2015 at 9:59 am

         tracey @ 6.2.1
         Yes. That’s always the line defendants take when they’re trying to hide the truth… brand the whistle-blowers/victims as loopy and nuts!
       • Hanswurst 6.2.1.3

         4 August 2015 at 8:20 pm

         I don’t see any reason to think that he’s concerned about democracy. The simplest explanation in my view would be that he’s simply affronted. He’s made plenty of money and obviously sees himself as a successful businessman; I doubt that he would even see it as the end of the world if his political career is less than a roaring success. I imagine he just wants to look people in the eye in years to come and say, “Yeah, sure, I was taken down, but it was by court-certified wankers.”
         • Anne 6.2.1.3.1

           4 August 2015 at 8:38 pm

           I agree. He wants to be vindicated from the apparent ‘trumped up charges’ leveled at him by the DP team. I’m sure that would be his primary objective. What effect it might have on his political aspirations is probably low on his list of priorities at this stage.
       • Stuart Munro 6.2.1.4

         4 August 2015 at 11:06 pm

         He may be eccentric – but eccentric beats the crap out of corrupt. He plays with his own money, good luck to him.
   • Tracey 6.3

     4 August 2015 at 8:51 am

     he is pursuing his interests with zeal… and you all him nuts. he is doing it in the open, is that what makes him nuts? if he did it under layers and thru conduits or companies and so forth, would that make him sane?
     • Lanthanide 6.3.1

       4 August 2015 at 9:09 am

       Politics is about selling yourself to the public. A lot of people already thought he was nutty and a bully with his legal tactics. These latest moves are only going to make that perception worse.

       So if he has any intention of future political involvement, yes, this is nuts.
       • Pascals bookie 6.3.1.1

         4 August 2015 at 11:10 am

         He’s not selling to you tho Lanth.

         he’s selling to people who think the liberal media are hella biased against conservatives/christians, as are the main politicial parties. No one is prepared to fight against that bias because they will be crushed and ridiculed, bla blah blah.

         What he’s trying is not disimilar to Trump, tho without US specifics, but it’s the same conservative populist stick that goes back to Goldwater and Nixon, who both played themselves off against the media elite who mock good people.

         Whether there is 5 % in that for NZ I doubt, but it’s not mindless
         • Lanthanide 6.3.1.1.1

           4 August 2015 at 12:17 pm

           The term ‘nuts’ used in this context is implying a value judgement, that the action being taken is out of step with social norms.

           Just like spending several million dollars on a solid gold bath tub would be considered ‘nuts’ by the general public; the person doing it may have perfectly valid (to them) reasons.

           Specifically in this case, I cannot see how these actions would engender him to reach the 5% party threshold for any future party that he had a serious contribution to; it would likely harm such future party. I also cannot see how it would help him run as an electorate candidate anywhere.
           • Hanswurst 6.3.1.1.1.1

             5 August 2015 at 3:23 am

             I suspect that you are right that it will bring no political gain for him. It may well end up denting Slater and co., however. If every party comes out the other side looking like a complete wally, I’ll be happy (not least because, to a man, that is exactly what they are).
           • Tracey 6.3.1.1.1.2

             5 August 2015 at 7:30 am

             standing up to bullies is outside social norms, I agree. perhaps we need to stop assuming that the primary motivation of his law suit is to become electable? See my comment to Hooton below.
             • Lanthanide …

               5 August 2015 at 9:35 am

               Except that Colin Craig has a record of being a bully by using his money to fund legal proceedings against anyone he disagrees with.

               “perhaps we need to stop assuming that the primary motivation of his law suit is to become electable?”

               I’ve never said his ‘primary motivation’ was so he could become electable. I don’t care what his primary motivation is, I’m saying that this action will endanger his future political career more than it can help it – maybe he doesn’t care about that, but based on his public statements, it does seem like he wants to run as a party leader again in the future.
     • Matthew Hooton 6.3.2

       5 August 2015 at 7:14 am

       The sensible course for him would be to ignore what Cameron Slater says about him, and focus on rebuilding his networks with his party and the media.
       • Tracey 6.3.2.1

         5 August 2015 at 7:27 am

         unless t one of the reasons he wanted in to politics was to shine the light on standards of behaviour. In this regard he might be putting that goal ahead of his self interest in getting elected. he may also think if he succeeds in his case he could actually erase some perceptions of him.

         “sensible” is relative and subjective. To you doing something you disagree with = nuts. Doing something you agree with = sensible. We are all entitled to our opinions of course but they are still just opinions.
   • tc 6.4

     4 August 2015 at 8:56 am

     Thanks for that considered analysis Matty, I look forward to such an intelligent response from your compliant MSM soapboxes complete with the nodding poodles agreeing with you.
   • Enough 6.5

     4 August 2015 at 8:57 am

     Detest his political views, but got to respect his actions going after those abhorrent sleaze-merchants. Good on you, Colin.
   • r0b 6.6

     4 August 2015 at 9:19 am

     Distributing his “book” in Dunedin??? Is that for real?

     He calls it a “pamphlet”. All I can say is there was one in my letterbox last night. Not addressed, so hand delivered.

     Other sightings:

     https://twitter.com/toby_etc/status/628036554288594944

     https://twitter.com/AnneliseJoy/status/628293404435349504

     https://twitter.com/LewSOS/status/628362118950207488

     https://twitter.com/someofmybest/status/628353359796285442

     https://twitter.com/secondzeit/status/628433730781057024
     • dukeofurl 6.6.1

       4 August 2015 at 9:37 am

       Imagine they have party stalwarts down south.
     • RedLogix 6.6.2

       4 August 2015 at 9:58 am

       Given Mathews crippled, short-term attention span (like most right wingers) – it probably does look like a ‘book’.
       • Tracey 6.6.2.1

         4 August 2015 at 11:20 am

         it wasnt about him so he skim read…. until someone employs hus services then it is a nutty book
     • Matthew Hooton 6.6.3

       4 August 2015 at 5:50 pm

       Received it at home in Auckland today. Looks like a nationwide letterbox dump. Cost must be hundreds of thousands. And it doesn’t say much more than these guys made some allegations about me on a blog that I say are wrong. His PMnakl dump only amplifies those allegations.
       • CnrJoe 6.6.3.1

         4 August 2015 at 9:48 pm

         chop chop
       • Tracey 6.6.3.2

         5 August 2015 at 7:35 am

         Slater hollers about the size of his audience… so on that basis posting stuff there goes to a large audience. craig could win but get next to nothing in damages. he is therefore unlikely to be doing this to make a financial hit on slater et al. i suspect that for craig this is foremost about the “principle” and not about getting elected to parliament. he is lucky to be able to afford to take the case. i am aware of people legally defamed and damage done but the cost of lawyer fees is higher than the potential award.
     • Tracey 6.6.4

       5 August 2015 at 7:31 am

       it has hit blockhouse bay but not mt eden.
   • Tricledrown 6.7

     4 August 2015 at 10:40 am

     Machevelian Henchman dog whistling nuts aye Mad Hater.
     For you to comment Matty boy their must be some truth in his claims.
   • dukeofurl 6.8

     4 August 2015 at 5:09 pm

     Well a copy has gone to Arkles Bay, home of the Oily Orca
   • Chromophore 6.9

     5 August 2015 at 6:44 am

     Book? Were you quoting someone or did you exaggerate to be sarcastic? “Booklet” was the word used.
7. Skinny 7

   4 August 2015 at 8:40 am

   I find it hilarious that the smart arse punk Williams from the Tax Evader Union gets a taste of dealing with a deep pocketed business man tying him up in what could be a costly legal battle.

   Keep it coming Col there is votes in it!
   • JeevesPOnzi 7.1

     4 August 2015 at 8:43 am

     None of them like it when their rules are applied to them……
     • Skinny 7.1.1

       4 August 2015 at 9:30 am

       Unions are an important part of society and in some countries being mocked like Williams does would get you a one way ride in a black Cadillac out into the desert.

       Reminding me of…Last year a Union leader friend of mine was telling me over dinner, that on a recent trip to the States for an international Union gig, he was traveling with a powerful American Union boss. Anyway as they were crusing along in the limo some where out in the country the union boss starts telling my friend how by coincidence a number of problematic people to his Union seemed to have vanished completely, and he was one of the last people seen with them. Suffice to say my friend was on edge till he got dropped back at his hotel.
       • dukeofurl 7.1.1.1

         4 August 2015 at 9:39 am

         Maybe for teamsters ?

         No need to go all the way to US, Australia has some tough ass unions and union bosses.
         • Skinny 7.1.1.1.1

           4 August 2015 at 10:01 am

           You got it brother. Personally I find some of the media hacks do the most damage. There are a number that would be on my ‘softening up/reprogramming list’ if I was still that way inclined.
           • dukeofurl 7.1.1.1.1.1

             4 August 2015 at 5:01 pm

             Dont worry their bosses do that that for you.
             Imagine the humilitaion when after 20 years experience they get the ‘talk’ and find you they are replaced by the likes of Peebles Hooper.

             The advertisers always called the shots, instead of Farmers or Harvey Norman getting their way before its how many 18-36 yr female demographic click bait they get now.
   • Tracey 7.2

     4 August 2015 at 8:54 am

     has williams commented publicly cos i can only recall stringer talking on camera and slater issuing a statement many many hours after the story broke?
     • dukeofurl 7.2.1

       4 August 2015 at 9:45 am

       “Cameron Slater and Jordan Williams says they are not at all worried about Colin Craig seeking defamation damages against them.”- NBR

       Williams is lying low but I have no doubt a lot of commentary against Craig has him as the puppeteer behind the names that are talking
       http://patbrittenden.com/category/jordan-williams/

       Williams doesnt seem to have a ‘proper job’ as when the dirty politics broke he was gone from Franks Ogilvie
       • Tracey 7.2.1.1

         4 August 2015 at 11:22 am

         no income traceable to its sources you mean 😉
         • dukeofurl 7.2.1.1.1

           4 August 2015 at 4:39 pm

           It seems like he uses his title as ‘executive director’ of the Taxpayers Union as his front organisation.

           Its like someone in ACT spat out an apple core and a little seed has grown into the Taxpayers Onion.
           Its still a dirty politics front for Nationals backers to hide behind. Im certain they will target Little or Peters in the next 12 months.
         • dukeofurl 7.2.1.1.2

           4 August 2015 at 4:51 pm

           It seems like he uses his title as ‘executive director’ of the Taxpayers Union as his front organisation.

           Its like someone in ACT spat out an apple core and a little seed has grown into the Taxpayers Onion.
           Its still a dirty politics front for Nationals backers to hide behind. Im certain they will target Little or Peters in the next 12 months.

           As an incorp society TU has to show its revenues for 2013 it spent $11,000 on salaries and staff expenses.
           Executive directors must come cheap
8. Tracey 8

   4 August 2015 at 8:55 am

   colin craig is getting the dotcom treatment. ..
   • tc 8.1

     4 August 2015 at 9:09 am

     With a sound media strategy that could work in his favour as people recall the dot com treatment……something along the lines of disagree with those in power and you could be next.

     Don’t like his politics but nobody deserves the crap that the DP crew dish up for the almighty dollar then hide behind the skirts of power.
     • RedLogix 8.1.1

       4 August 2015 at 9:55 am

       Where this could work is if people start to wake up to what happens to anyone, regardless of political stripeness, that this govt sees as a threat.

       First Goff and Cunliffe got the treatment. Most people would be fooled into thinking this was pretty much left-right tribalism as usual. Then Dotcom who most people could ignore as a nutty foreigner. But Craig was a target who is nominally on their side. That may well be a bigger lump to swallow.

       Now the sinister outlines of the dirty politics machine take on a much darker outline. This Key govt is about power at all costs. Mostly it’s the soft power of a compliant media propaganda machine; but the harder edge was always there.

       Damage Control Plan A will be to discredit Craig as ‘nutty’. Oh … too late.
       • tinfoilhat 8.1.1.1

         4 August 2015 at 10:32 am

         Oh for goodness sake, some on the political left must take responsibility for the electoral debacle.

         We could have sleep walked to a Green/Labour government if it wasn’t for the ego of Dotcom and the idiocy of Mana getting into bed with him, the absurd ‘Moment of Truth’ shambles in Auckland was the last straw for those wavering in the middle and all it served to do was obliterate Mana and drive swing voters from the Greens and Labour into the arms of NZ First and National.
         • RedLogix 8.1.1.1.1

           4 August 2015 at 10:45 am

           The whole Mana project was a folly from the outset. There I’ve said it.

           I can see why it’s underlying vision and principals were attractive. But as politics it was only ever going to look like fragmentation and divisiveness. And voters always punish everything touched by it.

           (Especially New Zealanders – they pathologically need ‘strong leaders’.)
           • Tiger Mountain 8.1.1.1.1.1

             4 August 2015 at 11:15 am

             don’t agree on this one, Internet Mana would now have two MPs but for the gang tackle in Te Tai Tokerau from Labour in particular, Greens, NZ1, conservatives and the Prime Minister again in particular
             • Colonial Viper …

               4 August 2015 at 11:26 am

               750 more votes in Te Tai Tokerau and we would have had both Hone and Laila in Parliament as advocates for child poverty and workers rights.

               If Dotcom had kept a low profile in the last 2 months and stopped being such a show pony we could also have had Annette Sykes in there as number 3 on the list.

               Harawira, Harre, Sykes. The contrast would have made Labour look pale red and ill.
               • Olwyn …

                 4 August 2015 at 11:37 am

                 The Dotcom phenomenon was a sobering lesson for both him and us. We all learned that money per se does not do what rich-man’s-club approval does. None of the parties apart from Mana were willing to be seen as spitting in America’s eye by letting Dotcom sail on unopposed.
                 • Clemgeopin …

                   4 August 2015 at 5:07 pm

                   The ‘moment of truth’ non event was one of the main reasons KDC lost some crucial credibility, benefiting Key & National. I suspect that KDC had good reasons in good faith for both , it as well as to decide against going ahead with it on the last day after legal advice.
                   Remember the strange email episode? I think he was set up by the Hollywood big wigs or the dirty politics crew.

                   Of course there were other reasons too why Nats somehow managed to win, though very narrowly.
                   • Molly …

                     5 August 2015 at 8:57 am

                     The Moment of Truth – was more than a political event, it was an informative one.

                     Unfortunately, given the time and intent of the media what was continually reported and discussed was Dotcom.

                     The important truths were shared by Greenwald, Snowden and Assange.
                   • Clemgeopin …

                     5 August 2015 at 11:55 am

                     @Molly:

                     Yes, you are correct. I phrased my comment very poorly.

                     The live cross with Greenwald, Snowden and Assange was outstanding, amazing, impressive and very important. Sadly, most of our media, being biased and of quite a low calibre, did not give it the publicity and importance it deserved. Greenwald is a superb journalist with a great intellect.

                     What diminished the evening was the absence of the ‘bombshell revelation’ about Key/Hollywood executives etc that KDC had hinted at. It was this big disappointment of the event I was alluding to in my above post.
               • Tiger Mountain …

                 4 August 2015 at 11:58 am

                 agree CV, in retrospect they should have taken KDC’s loot and kept him well out of sight, and as Colin Craig discovered hero to zero can be a quick trajectory
               • dukeofurl …

                 4 August 2015 at 4:35 pm

                 Why couldnt Hone win after being the local MP for 9 years, and $110k of KDC money.

                 Normally that would be impossible to beat.! The truth was Hone was worn out after 9 years and wanted out
         • Clemgeopin 8.1.1.1.2

           4 August 2015 at 10:55 am

           +0.5 Some partly good points.
       • Tiger Mountain 8.1.1.2

         4 August 2015 at 11:12 am

         agree RL on why Colin Craig might get some traction on this, interesting he stuck with the “brand”–“Dirty Politics”, still maintain Nicky Hager’s only mistake was not including “National’s” in the book title
   • Paulie 8.2

     4 August 2015 at 1:53 pm

     What do you mean by that?
9. Old Mickey 9

   4 August 2015 at 9:53 am

   As Slater said on Garners show last week, there is “nothing illegal with dirty politics”…..I can only hope that the publicity & outcome causes the public of NZ to actually say enough. We will not accept this sort of behaviour any more.
   • Tracey 9.1

     4 August 2015 at 11:24 am

     there is a civil wrong if the dirty politics is defamatory…
     • dukeofurl 9.1.1

       4 August 2015 at 4:31 pm

       Defamation is perfectly legal if its true ( or in some circumstances honest opinion)

       That is Slaters big hurdle, and as he tried with the Judith Collins affair, first he tries to say it wasnt me and then he tries plan B.
       It seems hes trying to go for plan C , now. Suing Colin Craig after saying sueing was for losers
10. Adrian 10

    4 August 2015 at 12:11 pm

    I thought the Dotcom thing was/is more about not giving the encryption codes to the FBI/CIA. ” How dare you boy! ”
    Yeah, go Colin. Never ever thought I’d hear myself say that.
11. NickS 11

    4 August 2015 at 1:40 pm

    The perfect gif for this:
    http://giphy.com/gifs/lol-wtf-anita-sarkeesian-l41lXPwHWohc2kxGg

    Here’s to Colin doing Slater and friends some serious damage.
12. Tigger 12

    4 August 2015 at 6:03 pm

    I see Hooten on here calling him ‘nuts’. Actually I think this is a smart move. The case may well throw up evidence that hasn’t yet seen the light of day.

    Also Craig’s money – he can do what he wants with it. Does the general public know who Slater is? No, they don’t. Or at least they didn’t. I question Craig’s methods but I think his general aims are fairly sound.
13. Alpha Z 13

    4 August 2015 at 7:40 pm

    Whale oil money begging cry says;

    “Any amount is fine. It all adds up”

    I weighted up sending about 1 cent. but on second thought i decided, nah. the dirty bugger don’t deserve nothing at all;
    surely his close mates key and collins will go to help him anyways.
14. b.frank 14

    5 August 2015 at 1:56 am

    Report the donation scam here,

    http://www.ird.govt.nz/online-services/keyword/advice-assistance/online-anonymous-info.html
    • Bob 14.1

      5 August 2015 at 1:15 pm

      As Anthony linked to above formal legal proceedings have begun: https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/colin-craig-sends-dirty-politics-brigade-legal-advice-q03716
      So how is Slater’s request for donations a scam? How is it any different to this: thestandard.org.nz/raising-money-for-good-works/ ?
15. Irascible 15

    5 August 2015 at 7:47 am

    Craig’s pamphlet distributed throughout Botany-Pakuranga yesterday. Such a positioning indicates a serious determination to be heard.
    • Visubversa 15.1

      5 August 2015 at 8:38 am

      Delivered in Torbay yesterday. Work colleague brought one in this morning. Not delivered in Kingsland yet.
      • Charles 15.1.1

        5 August 2015 at 8:44 am

        “…delivered in Kingsland…”

        Got mine yesterday, much further West.
        • Heather Grimwood 15.1.1.1

          6 August 2015 at 10:19 am

          delivered another Dunedin suburb 5th
16. Charles 16

    5 August 2015 at 9:11 am

    I’m confused by the pamphlet. Is it supposed to be “balanced reporting”, unlike what is seen on the scurrilous blogsites he denounces in the opening passages; attacks led by conscience, or lack thereof, as he says? Because in the end, the total effect appears to be what Mr. X confirms,

    “Forget the term “dirty politics”. This is about smart people, who know the game, making sure they get the outcome they want. How they get there doesn’t matter, the point is they get results.”

    (“…smart people…”, not sure that’s an accurate description. Certainly, capable, in what they do.)

    The preceding “interview” on the dissolution of the Board appears to (somewhat ambiguously) demonstate the above phenomenon. You’d have to have experienced something similar to fill in the gaps, I guess. It could be true, it could just be competent pulp-fiction. That’s the problem.

    So what is the point of it all – other than encouraging blogwars to jump onto the back of snail-mail? Proof that W.O. exists? That politics is nasty, or that Dirty Politics exists? It does not prove or disprove Dirty Politics, add to or subtract from, anything. Hidden agendas, yes, but isn’t that politics since forever? Is it his pre-manifesto material, for his next Party: Politics driven not by conscience, but by a direct communion with (his) God?

    …ahhhh now I get it. Colin Craig isn’t a politician, as far as national politics goes. Looks like he missed a “turn-off” at an earlier “intersection”. I was confused by the “external volume” issue for a sec. Well, best of luck to him.
17. JeevesPOnzi 17

    6 August 2015 at 7:24 am

    All praise the messiah!

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