Complaint over Key’s prison rape stunt upheld

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1. Nck 1

   25 August 2016 at 12:09 pm

   Raping NZ, one asset sale at a time, one bad law after another…… A criminal
   • Leftie 1.1

     25 August 2016 at 1:22 pm

     +1 Nck.
   • Stephanie Rodgers 1.2

     25 August 2016 at 10:22 pm

     Asset sales are not comparable to sexual assault.
2. Rosie 2

   25 August 2016 at 12:50 pm

   Onya BSA.

   You know, it was only after this stunt that I realised that the PM was a White Ribbon Ambassador. The worst possible choice for a white ribbon ambassador. He was also an white ribbon ambassador at the time he persistently harassed and then assaulted Amanda Bailey.

   I wrote to the White Ribbon Campaign and asked them why they continued to allow such an inappropriate person to hold such a position. I wrote several times and never got a response. I can only assume they didn’t want to upset the PM, but by doing so they supported his actions.

   I believe that the PM should have resigned over his treatment of Amanda Bailey. It would have been the most appropriate action for a leader of a country to take. He never apologised for actions towards her or towards rape victims he may have re traumatised during his participation in the radio stunt with creepy Tom Furniss.

   Now, in light of this ruling it, would be a good time for him to step up and make a genuine apology to all those he has hurt and offended. He needs to man up.

   Oh, and step down as a white ribbon ambassador. It’s not too late.
   • weka 2.1

     25 August 2016 at 1:02 pm

     I found the (non) response of the White Ribbon people really disappointing too.

     As for Key, I think we’re well into the territory of no ethical concerns so long as they keep power (“I”m comfortable with that”).

     I also think he has a high degree of supporting rape culture relative to the general population. The accusations shouted at the opposition about supporting rapists and murderers is another good example. Roastbusters. I think I started a list somewhere.
     • Rosie 2.1.1

       25 August 2016 at 1:10 pm

       And don’t forget his attitude towards Tania Billingsley, his lack of apology and his arrogance at a time when she needed the support of the government given the circumstances with the Malaysain diplomat. He was more interested in saving face in the botch up with letting the diplomat go than caring for the experience that had.

       I fully agree with you that the PM demonstrates a high degree of supporting rape culture. There are far too many examples, some of which you’ve stated. It’s a very poor trait in a leader. Just shameful really.

       He gets away with this yet David Cunliffe got crucified for standing with women who have experienced abuse, assault and rape and asking men to take responsibility.
       • NZJester 2.1.1.1

         25 August 2016 at 1:17 pm

         Looks like I was typing my reply about Tania Billingsley at the same time as you wrote yours.
         • Leftie 2.1.1.1.1

           25 August 2016 at 1:24 pm

           Great minds think alike!!
       • Leftie 2.1.1.2

         25 August 2016 at 1:23 pm

         +1 Rosie.
       • srylands 2.1.1.3

         25 August 2016 at 1:25 pm

         “And don’t forget his attitude towards Tania Billingsley, his lack of apology and his arrogance at a time when she needed the support of the government …”
         ___________

         No. That is not the role of the Government. At all. It is the role of the police and the courts.
         • McFlock 2.1.1.3.1

           25 August 2016 at 1:29 pm

           …and, in this case, MFAT who “miscommunicated” the situation regarding diplomatic immunity, rather than explicitly requesting it be waived.

           And then the PM and ministers for bullshitting about it.

           So – government.
         • Rosie 2.1.1.3.2

           25 August 2016 at 1:39 pm

           srylands. There is no point in you replying to my comments. I know you are not interested in genuine discussion, and I will not respond to your attempts to provoke me into a reaction. This is how you operate with everyone on this site and I’m just not interested in playing.
         • Anno1701 2.1.1.3.3

           26 August 2016 at 12:41 pm

           “No. That is not the role of the Government. At all. It is the role of the police and the courts.”

           what you mean those organs of the state ?

           The “GOVT” you could almost say …..
     • reason 2.1.2

       25 August 2016 at 11:25 pm

       I see white ribbon as part of the problem and part of the pretend and extend when it comes to not doing anything meaningful regarding sexual violence or domestic violence ……

       Remember Key and the nats scuttled our Alcohol Law review and immediately ruled out recommendations which would have lowered Alcohol abuse and the crime wave that goes hand in hand with that abuse of this drug.

       Restricting Advertising of this drug was one recommendation ignored ….. and over $200 million is spent pushing booze at our young and others per year in ‘marketing’ …

       What does white ribbon and other similar outfits spend in comparison ??

       I think they exist so we can pretend something is being done …….. I bet Key gets a good laugh by being their ambassador.

       John Key is proud to be the type of man to twist the words and mock a person speaking out against our shameful rates of domestic violence ……………… when we hold the world cup for doing the most of it in the developed world.

       He’s probably never heard a rape joke that did not make him laugh …………..
   • NZJester 2.2

     25 August 2016 at 1:12 pm

     Don’t forget his statement that if he knew who the victim of an alleged sex attack involving a Malaysian diplomat was he would apologize to them.
     Then when the victim was brave and got her name suppression lifted he then changed his story and refused to apologize to her.
     That should have lost him his white ribbon ambassador status right there also!

     The only person Key has apologized to is the most lest deserving person in New Zealand who runs the blog I will just refer to as sleazeoil as its real name does not deserve a mention.
     • Leftie 2.2.1

       25 August 2016 at 1:25 pm

       +1 NZJester
     • Rosie 2.2.2

       25 August 2016 at 1:44 pm

       Oh, yes, thanks for reminding me of his “I would apologise if I knew the identity of the person” and his appalling callous flip flop when he was informed.

       With Key, there are often multiple points of lying, denying and general idiocy in any given timeline of his grand stuff up’s. It’s hard to keep up with them all.
       • Hanswurst 2.2.2.1

         25 August 2016 at 6:33 pm

         He is comfortably the most ham-fisted prime minister NZ has ever had. It’s a mystery how he managed to get re-elected after one term, let alone two.
         • NZJester 2.2.2.1.1

           25 August 2016 at 10:17 pm

           Actually, there is a book that explains how he was able to accomplish that.
           It’s by this guy called Nicky Hager a New Zealand investigative journalist that the right claims made up his entire book. ;-p
   • Leftie 2.3

     25 August 2016 at 1:20 pm

     If it had of been any other PM, that person would have been forced to resign Rosie. The msm played their part in keeping that abuser in his office.
     Completely agree with you also about White Ribbon, they have certainly lost my respect and support.
     • Rosie 2.3.1

       25 August 2016 at 1:50 pm

       Exactly Leftie. Ordinary people lose their jobs over such behaviour and as a leader Key should have set an example of demonstrating accountability and stood down.

       He always tries so hard to play the “ordinary bbq and beer guy” but the rules change to suit his whims. “ordinary guy” for photo op’s “extraordinary guy” when it comes to getting away with stuff.
       • TC 2.3.1.1

         25 August 2016 at 3:31 pm

         Key is accountable to their backers and has shown time and again the power he holds is to achieve their objectives.

         He is the classic lying bully when confronted with consequences.
   • srylands 2.4

     25 August 2016 at 1:24 pm

     “I believe that the PM should have resigned over his treatment of Amanda Bailey. ”

     Ridiculous. The guy did show poor judgement pulling her pony tail. But is the leader of the nation going to step down because of that? The rest of the world would be disbelieving.

     He behaved like a bit of a dick. He apologised to her.

     It was also a reminder to waiting staff not to have pony tails. It is unhygienic, apart from attracting dicks who like pulling hair. A French roll is a better choice.

     Anyway you are being OTT in my view. The PM was a dick but he was never going to resign over it.
     • framu 2.4.1

       25 August 2016 at 1:32 pm

       ” The guy did show poor judgement pulling her pony tail”

       repeatedly, over several months, even seeking her out after attempts were made to avoid him

       thats called stalking
     • Pat 2.4.2

       25 August 2016 at 1:34 pm

       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihReeJg08ns&noredirect=1
     • Andre 2.4.3

       25 August 2016 at 1:40 pm

       “It was also a reminder to waiting staff not to have pony tails. It is unhygienic, apart from attracting dicks who like pulling hair. A French roll is a better choice.”

       Outstanding bit of victim-blaming there. Maybe they should just wear burqas.

       Dick.
       • Draco T Bastard 2.4.3.1

         25 August 2016 at 2:33 pm

         +11111
       • Siobhan 2.4.3.2

         25 August 2016 at 2:40 pm

         Don’t worry…I suspect srylands may be some sort of neck pervert. French rolls are usually messy by mid morning.
         • Andre 2.4.3.2.1

           25 August 2016 at 6:06 pm

           I didn’t even know what a French Roll was until you made me curious enough to look it up. So that’s my “learnings” for today.

           Reckon you’re onto it, neck pervert it is.
     • Rosie 2.4.4

       25 August 2016 at 1:54 pm

       Like I said at 2.1.1.3.2 I’m not interested in your view. Or your victim blaming either.

       What happened to your ban anyway? It must have run out while I wasn’t looking. Shame.
       • te reo putake 2.4.4.1

         25 August 2016 at 2:31 pm

         You raise an interesting point, Rosie.

         If I was to ban srylands for a month just because I had the power and couldn’t control my urges, do you reckon I could excuse it as ‘poor judgement’? What if I made it six months coz I was ‘being a bit of a dick’?

         If I made it a permanent ban because Srylands didn’t wear his hair in a bun, dya reckon the world would be disbelieving?

         I don’t know the answer to these questions, but I think if he keeps defending the indefensible, we may very well find out.
         • Rosie 2.4.4.1.1

           25 August 2016 at 3:47 pm

           If he keeps prodding and poking like he incessantly does, then yes, he, and we will all find it. See if the shoe is on the other foot and he calls it “poor judgement”. See if he victim blames then. Your call TRP!

           One day the severe style of srylands twatism might just push you to press the ban button. And you can sing Galvanise by the Chemical Brothers as your finger hovers over that button.
         • Naki man 2.4.4.1.2

           25 August 2016 at 7:35 pm

           I dont think saying someone behaved like a bit of a dick is defending them.
           • In Vino 2.4.4.1.2.1

             25 August 2016 at 9:19 pm

             Of course it is. The implication is that behaviour on this occasion was temporary, and not reflecting his true noble nature , that we all have bad moments, and he is a man of the people – in fact maybe far superior to those who are unfairly blaming him so over-severely… Crap.
             “He behaved like the total, permanent dickhead that he is’ would qualify as not defending him.
       • Observer Tokoroa 2.4.4.2

         25 August 2016 at 5:45 pm

         .
         Hi Rosie – well done!

         . It is important that slimey Srylands be ignored.

         . Life is simply too short to waste time on the stink of underdeveloped objectionable school kids.

         We should all follow your lead Rosie.

         .
         • srylands 2.4.4.2.1

           25 August 2016 at 7:43 pm

           Why can’t you people debate issues without becoming vile and abusive? It is such a common trait here.
           • Paul 2.4.4.2.1.1

             25 August 2016 at 7:49 pm

             You don’t have to be here.
             A lot of people are heartily sick of the fact you would defend absolutely anything this government and your fanboy John Key has done to this country.

             You defend 305 000 children in poverty.
             You defend a surveillance state.
             You defend people living in cars.
             You defend foreign warships defend the PM abusing vulnerable workers.
             etc, etc, etc……

             Your views are frankly sociopathic.
           • reason 2.4.4.2.1.2

             25 August 2016 at 11:53 pm

             Srylands bragged once about donating money to whaleoil ……. I think he thought arseholes were about to become the new cool in NZ

             http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/201779410/dirty-politics-players-back-in-the-frame

             Why don’t you spend more time over there in the pooh pit you support srylnds ……. you’ve paid cash supporting Nationals previous epicenter for far worse vile and abusive behavior.

             https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_Politics

             ‘WhaleOil was hacked some time after he posted a blog post with the headline “Feral dies in Greymouth, did world a favour.”…….
             Three other children in this family had already been killed in accidents and the post provoked a ‘furious public reaction’.
         • Rosie 2.4.4.2.2

           25 August 2016 at 7:58 pm

           Hi O T. I don’t mind if folks with different views want to discuss those views and compare them, out of curiosity and in a spirit of genuine debate but srylands has never ever shown any respect to that value, in the years he’s used this site.

           Yeah, you’re right, life’s just too short and actually full of enough problems already to bother with such nonsense.
     • RJL 2.4.5

       25 August 2016 at 2:14 pm

       @srylands: “Ridiculous. The guy did show poor judgement pulling her pony tail. But is the leader of the nation going to step down because of that? The rest of the world would be disbelieving.”

       The bit that the rest of the world would be disbelieving of, would be that the person holding the office of PM could be such a complete and utter prat.
     • marty mars 2.4.6

       25 August 2016 at 2:51 pm

       The unhygienic thing is keys dirty little hand not a ponytail. A failure as a PM and a failure as a man.
       • whispering kate 2.4.6.1

         25 August 2016 at 4:20 pm

         Seriously who would ever want to shake hands with the man, god knows where they would have been. For me personally, it would be “thanks, but no thanks”.
     • Stuart Munro 2.4.7

       25 August 2016 at 7:42 pm

       He’s not the leader of the nation – he’s merely a public servant who doesn’t do his job and steals from his employers.
     • Paul 2.4.8

       25 August 2016 at 7:45 pm

       No, the PM should resign for his handling of the housing crisis and for his failure to tackle inequality in this country.
     • Anno1701 2.4.9

       26 August 2016 at 3:28 pm

       ” A French roll is a better choice.”

       you idiot

       you never fail to surprise me of the s#*t that comes out of your keyboard…

       i mean where do you even get this stuff from FFS…
     • mikes 2.4.10

       26 August 2016 at 9:42 pm

       “It was also a reminder to waiting staff not to have pony tails…”

       srylands = Fuckwit
   • Draco T Bastard 2.5

     25 August 2016 at 2:29 pm

     I believe that the PM should have resigned over his treatment of Amanda Bailey.

     I think he should have been convicted of assault. Such a conviction carries a possible sentence of more than two years jail which would have removed him permanently from government.

     He needs to man up.

     He needs to but he’s simply too weak and pathetic to take responsibility for his actions.
     • Rosie 2.5.1

       25 August 2016 at 3:50 pm

       I agree DTB, but doesn’t a complaint have to be laid by the victim of the assault to trigger an arrest and a charge? How does it work with the Polizei?
       • Draco T Bastard 2.5.1.1

         25 August 2016 at 4:12 pm

         but doesn’t a complaint have to be laid by the victim of the assault to trigger an arrest and a charge?

         I believe that there’s an exception on the case of sexual assault in that someone else can file the charge and I believe someone else did but don’t think it went anywhere.
         • Rosie 2.5.1.1.1

           25 August 2016 at 4:43 pm

           Oh, Ok, thanks. I think that Graeme McGreedy guy attempted a private prosecution and it failed.
   • Scott 2.6

     26 August 2016 at 2:04 pm

     “I can only assume they didn’t want to upset the PM…” ??

     I have an alternative explanation for you. They don’t care what you think. Why should they?

     Key was the butt of this infantile joke. It was not his joke. He plainly has nothing to apologise for in relation to the joke. If you cannot see that, the White Ribbon people did very well not to respond and point out the blatantly obvious.

     When I see people trying to make political mileage out of rubbish like this the only thing it does for me is to belittle their other opinions. I write them off as not worth listening too, much like the White Ribbon people may have done your correspondence.

     If anyone owes an apology over this joke and the related media reports and posts like this, it is you and the others attacking Key for no sensible reason over this joke.

     You “man-up”, it’s not too late.
     • One Anonymous Bloke 2.6.1

       26 August 2016 at 2:12 pm

       The Prime Minister is a servant. Extremely poor judgement has seen many a servant summarily sacked. This particular servant has form in this regard.
       • Scott 2.6.1.1

         26 August 2016 at 2:30 pm

         What aspect of his involvement in this infantile joke warrants an apology from him?

         None. He was the butt of the joke. End of.

         By resorting to criticisms of him over things like this people are begging to be written-off as shills and ignored. If they also have some other potentially valid things to say, well in the end people stop listening.

         As Little rightly said (but is having trouble sticking to), the opposition cannot be barking at every passing car. If they do, in the end all people do is wind up the windows.
         • One Anonymous Bloke 2.6.1.1.1

           27 August 2016 at 3:12 pm

           Have you heard of the comedic role commonly known as “the straight man”? Perhaps you can figure the rest out on your own.
3. Adrian 3

   25 August 2016 at 1:16 pm

   Yes well this is just indicative of the elephant in the room, namely, we have a prison system in which we all know extreme violence and rape occurs as a matter of course, yet we seem to be happy to let thousands of our citizens (men and woman) go through this system knowing they are being brutalized, year after year, generation after generation..
   Then the press will come out in some sort of moral outrage when prisoners are released and go on to reoffend.
   Now people get all upset at Key joking about it, but when has there been a serious conversation, let alone any serious action to end this contemptible situation we put or prisoners in, from the people I know in and working in this system, never.
   Prisoners deserve protection from violence, of any sort, as much as any other member of our society.
   I am not defending Key here, I am just saying that is not what this conversation should be about, there is a much more serious issue at the heart of this, which needs to be talked about.
4. Siobhan 4

   25 August 2016 at 2:06 pm

   It’s amazing how little coverage or activism there is around rape in Prisons, infact the only time it seems to be an issue is when the Trans activists (understandably) bring it to our attention.
   I know, and know of, people who have been in prison and good old fashioned smash’em round ‘borstal’, and people who work in prison…so I know it goes on.
   And here we all are, decent people outraged at rape jokes.
   But it’s time to ask our politicians what their policies are around lowering our incarceration rates. We could start with looking at our laws, marijuana convictions for one are what I call a gateway criminal charge.
   A lower prison muster would allow more money to be spent per prisoner on Drug and alcohol and general psychiatric counseling, literacy and job training, more money for building better facilities, more money for Guards and medical staff.
   If all this were to happen I suspect rape in prisons would be a far rarer thing.
   And that’s just for starters.
   • Rosie 4.1

     25 August 2016 at 2:11 pm

     +1 Siobhan
   • weka 4.2

     25 August 2016 at 2:54 pm

     +2 Siobhan

     I also think when you put humans in cages they’re going to act badly, especially the ones socialised into hierarchical violence. Some people think this is just. Some think it’s not just but reasonable. Me, I think it’s inhumane and cruel, and that removing people from society in order to protect society should be a last resort. If we seek to punish people cruelly, it’s pretty basic human psychology and group dynamics that they will pass that cruelty and punishment on to whoever is around them.
5. Macro 5

   25 August 2016 at 4:40 pm

   “Acshully I’m completely comfortable with that…”

   “wat me worry?”

   Am surprised the BSA had the balls! Now had it been Hoskin ………
6. joe90 6

   25 August 2016 at 5:39 pm

   Vile piece of shit masquerading as an adult says aww ref, it wasn’t me, it was some other bloke…,
   /

   “I think it’s the radio station, it’s nothing to do with me.”

   http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/83544220/PM-on-prison-rape-joke-Its-nothing-to-do-with-me
7. Observer Tokoroa 7

   25 August 2016 at 6:04 pm

   .
   .To: Draco T Bastard .

   I think you are correct.!

   “I think he (John Key) should have been convicted of assault .. Over his treatment of Amanda Bailey. Such a conviction carries a possible sentence of more than two years jail which would have removed him permanently from government.”

   We all know that if it had been you or me, we would have been severely punished.

   It is very interesting that the United Future Party has endorsed and encouraged J Key
   It is very interesting that the Act Party has endorsed and encouraged J Key

   The Maori Party idolises J KEY always and everywhere.

   The National Party have totally lost any sense of justice and morality and have degraded themselves with their slavish praise for their very flawed uncontrolled manchild.
   .
8. maninthemiddle 8

   25 August 2016 at 7:37 pm

   Key Derangement Syndrome is alive and well here.
   • Paul 8.1

     25 August 2016 at 7:39 pm

     Please could you repeat your cliches on another site.
     Your trolling is not appreciated.
     • In Vino 8.1.1

       25 August 2016 at 9:29 pm

       Maninthemuddle is actually suffering from that derangement syndrome, in that he does not realise that the tendency to forgive every bungle and deliberate deception by our beloved leader is what drives its proponents to keep talking about it. It is a malaise suffered by those who raise it as a topic, only to project it upon others.
       • reason 8.1.1.1

         26 August 2016 at 12:26 am

         100% In Vino ……………. Reddellusion let the cat out of the bag when he told me about Deranged Key Syndrome …… I’m sure its a real thing…..as surely no troll could be stupid enough to stuff up a three word parrot squawk ?????

         RedD was pretty tight lipped once he let it slip …… but I think it’s a disease which makes the infected lie, cheat and admire bad behavior …..

         In an ironic twist one of the revealing symptoms is to actually squawk out Key Derangement Syndrome when the host is under attack …. its like a modern version of being the village idiot ………. combined with a greedy sub prime mind 😉

         KDS KDS squawk squawk 🙂 ……… Trolls got a sub prime line 🙂

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