Good call from Ardern

Written By: - Date published: 9:46 am, October 3rd, 2017 - 86 comments
Categories: election 2017, greens, jacinda ardern, labour, nz first - Tags: ,

I have very mixed feelings about a Labour Green NZF government. I certainly don’t think that Labour should “pay any price”. So I’m pleased to see Jacinda Ardern acknowledging the Greens (even though dumping on them would smooth the path with Winston):

Labour leader Jacinda Ardern won’t sideline Greens in coalition negotiations

Labour leader Jacinda Ardern has rejected leaving the Green Party on the crossbenches as part of negotiations to form a government.

Asked whether she would entertain a hypothetical request for the Greens to be locked out of government position, Ardern on Tuesday told Newshub’s The AM Show she opposed the idea.

“I have had it suggested to me that they could simply sit on the crossbenches because they’re easier to deal with. I’ve said I don’t think that is a fair way to treat their support,” she said.

But she would not confirm whether that meant she excepted Green MPs to have ministerial positions in Cabinet, outside Cabinet or just a confidence-and-supply agreement.

“Just because the Greens have indicated where their support will go, does not mean we should disrespect the vote and support they bring,” Ardern said. …

If a Labour Green NZF government is formed in October I hope to see the Greens as an equal and active part of it.

86 comments on “Good call from Ardern”

  1. Stephen Doyle 1

    Julie Anne Genter as Minister of Transport, yes please!

    • cleangreen 1.1

      Julie Anne was sitting next to Winston at the North Auckland rail debate last month and they both supported regional rail restoration so yes this would be good to see Julie Anne in the rail portfolio.

      Though I am demused since after the last labour lead Government re-nationalised our rail system so I would like to see the return of a stand alone “Minister of Rail” as we had when we owned it last in pre-1992?

      Winston or another strong rail advocate within NZF could assume this portfolio?

      • Skinny 1.1.1

        Few people know National were set to go down the privatisation route again with our Railway. It would have been business as usual. Pity the MSM haven’t done an OIA on talks between the Reserve & the Kiwi Rail board.

        That is however effectively dead now since either NZ First or Greens will be needed by National.

  2. Yes I like what Jacinda is saying – true and smart.

    ‘Dumping’ on the greens would not smooth the negotiations but actuate the worst fears of Green supporters and there would be no good things to come from that, I promise.

    • Wensleydale 2.1

      True. The only thing the Greens would offer Labour after that would be contempt, and justifiably so. And Labour, for the sake of political expediency, would find themselves in National’s uneviable position — frantically casting about in desperate search of friends they no longer have. Because they burned them all.

  3. Bearded Git 3

    I’m sure Winston could coexist with Shaw and Genter in the Cabinet….whether Shaw/Genter enjoy the experience of being in a Cabinet with Winston is another matter.

    • Shona 3.1

      Who cares?/ Really is it feelings that matter now??? Labour are fucking lucky they have a shit show of gaining power thanks to NZ First. All respect is due to Peters and his party needs to be shown.Labour needs to get over itself. They suck and we the public know this!

      • r0b 3.1.1

        You seem very angry Shona. Is it a nice day where you are? Maybe try a walk outside in the fresh air?

      • cleangreen 3.1.2

        10000% agree with Shona.

        We really need to show the thee Coalition groups equal respect now as we get coalition talks going forward.

        • red-blooded 3.1.2.1

          So how does saying Labour “suck” and “need to get over themselves” help to promote respect then, cleangreen? Because that’s what Shona said. She wasn’t saying all 3 parties need to respect each other, but that “all respect” was due to Peters – a very different message.

        • tracey 3.1.2.2

          How does respecting Green on 5.8% of votes disrespect NZF with 7.5%. Genuinely want to understand.

          • red-blooded 3.1.2.2.1

            Sorry, tracey, was that query aimed at me? Because I don’t understand how my comment could be interpreted as meaning that any of the 3 parties should be disrespected. Care to clarify?

      • Anne 3.1.3

        All respect is due to Peters and his party needs to be shown.Labour needs to get over itself. They suck and we the public know this!

        This part of your comment is codswallop Shona.

        Are you getting Labour confused with National? They are the ones who have consistently tried to bring Peters down and have spread wildly inaccurate rumours about him – the latest being the superannuation faux scandal. Labour, as far as I can tell, has always been friendly with NZ First (except perhaps in 1996) and treated Peters with the utmost respect.

        Get your facts right before you go off the deep end!

    • cleangreen 3.2

      Yep Bearded Git.

      I would love to see the greens work with Winston as he has the most senior experience that is need to get our team through the minefields National leaves behind?

      I agree.

      • Bearded Git 3.2.1

        @clean green fair enough, perhaps I was too negative above… it may well be that Winston will work positively to keep a stable and progressive government working for the next three years.

        Let it be so.

  4. Sacha 4

    Sidelining the Greens now would weaken Labour’s hand in negotiations with Winston, no matter how Ardern or her advisors feel about it. Not taking it as a sign of anything more at this stage.

    • red-blooded 4.1

      How would it weaken their hand, Sacha? If anything, it may well be easier to deal with Winston if he knew Labour were prioritising NZF and he didn’t have to consider dealing with the Greens in some sort of power-sharing arrangement. (We all know how he’s spoken about and treated the Greens in the past.)

      I hope Labour are able to negotiate a 3-way coalition. I wouldn’t want to see the Greens locked out of cabinet or relegated to confidence and supply. I certainly acknowledge that Winston may have different ideas, though, and I think it’s great to hear Ardern acknowledging the Greens and making it clear that she wants them included meaningfully.

      BTW, Anthony, your link takes us to a different Herald article (about Ardern finding Peters “in good spirits”).

  5. Robert Guyton 5

    I listened to Jacinda talking with Garner and batting him about most satisfactorily, with panache and humour and I thought, “she’s good”. Her “fair to the Greens” comment was encouraging, but she was keeping the expectation levels down and not saying something that would need to be unsaid later. She says, “50-50” in terms of Labour and National’s chances and that was the only time I felt she was hedging politically. I reckon the proportions are strongly in favour of the Left 🙂

    • Wensleydale 5.1

      I have to say, Jacinda’s mastered the art of the ‘mild reprimand’ — where she makes it clear she thinks you’re a muppet prone to asking stupid questions, but with a smile. Always with a smile.

  6. veutoviper 6

    IMHO Jacinda Ardern is handling this whole situation/hiatus with great skill – to date anyway.

    Her silence for the last week followed by her very short succinct press statement yesterday re the fact that she had spoken to Peters with a meeting planned for later this week has been in sharp contrast to the diatribe/diarrhoea of opinions, conjecture etc emanating from the press and retired politicians etc on possible coalition options.

    The interview with Duncan Garner this morning on the AM show is well worth watching for Jacinda’s good hearted but firm handling of the leading questions.
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/10/jacinda-ardern-it-s-not-winston-peters-fault.html

    As well as her clear position on the Greens as per your post above, her references to the position Winston finds himself in at present not being his fault per se show much better diplomacy etc than we have seen from the other side (eg English, Bennett – where’s Joyce ???). That approach should go down well with Peters.

    • Anne 6.1

      You beat me to it veutoviper. Her responses reminded me of the pre-Muldoon era when politicians were generally respectful of one another and played the game fair and square.
      And look at how the two women (I don’t know any of their names) responded so positively when Jacinda gently reprimanded Duncan for asking a pointless question.

      “God loves a trier” she said. She won him over!

      • veutoviper 6.1.1

        Amanda Gillies is the woman with the short blonde hair; don’t know who the other one is. Amanda and Mark Richardson are the two usual presenters on with Duncan. The faces of the two women in the first glimpse of them this morning in the interview are quite skeptical; but as you say Jacinda won them over. Loved her remark that the call was not like a call after a first date – and so did the two women!

        I am not sure whether Jacinda won Duncan over. He blows with the wind.
        Jacinda has appeared with Duncan many times and he is all friendly etc when she is on but can be scathing about her when interviewing others such as English. Last week he had a particularly nasty rave after the preliminary election results were known. Bascially threw his toys because National had not had an outright win.

        But Jacinda is well versed in communications (her degree is in Communications) and not naive as to people like Duncan – and I understand she knows many presenters, press etc not just through her work, position but also on a different level through her relationship with Clarke Gayford and his many years of working and mixing with people in TV, radio etc.

        • Anne 6.1.1.1

          I am not sure whether Jacinda won Duncan over.

          I was thinking more in terms of the interview. Well aware Garner is one of those who hunts with hounds and runs with hares. He has a checkered back history.

        • Ed 6.1.1.2

          The blonde woman in that shot is the weather reporter Ingrid Hipkiss.
          Wonder if Mark Richardson was removed after his shaming by Ardern before.

    • CHCOff 6.2

      Good Grief, that AM show style of interviewing makes for terrible listening.

      When did interviewing become ‘interrogating’?

      The only thing informative about that interview was that it was about fishing for controversy and got none. The actual information in it, had no time to breathe and little to none of it would stick with the average listener apart from the afore mentioned point, that is if they hadn’t already switched channel.

      Who on earth has ‘mutual intelligible’ conversations’ like that????????? !!!

  7. ianmac 7

    Rob, “I certainly don’t think that Labour should “pay any price”.
    Agree totally. Time is on the Labour/Green side as they have prospects for 2020. National are desperate but if going for broke they could self destruct. I hope.

  8. Michelle 8

    I for one would like to see our Greenies have some form of power why ? because they have more social policies that align with helping our people ( Maori) and our Pacific peoples and our poor Pakeha whanau + some of our refugees and our immigrants that are being treated badly. ( taken advantage of ) Many in the above groups are marginalized they are also over- represented in bad statistics. But the gnats are not keeping true stats and they are minimizing issues by hiding social problems and victim blaming. Hence why we have such a divided country = a divisive government = the gnats.

  9. Carolyn_nth 9

    Like you, Anthony, I have mixed feelings about an NZF-Lab-GP government.

    It probably all depends on the kind of coalition it is – there are various options of ministers inside and outside cabinet to C&S – and the way it is managed.

    It also depends on the numbers of MPs for a Labour-led coalition – there does need to be a cushion against loss of an MP or 2 – or deflections from NZF to the Nats.

    In contrast a Nat-NZF government would also be as strong as the numbers, the kind of deal and how that is managed. And it is questionable whether it is an alliance that would hold for any length of time.

    It would be interesting to see how NZF weakened neoliberal capitalism in a Nat-NZF government.

    Plus some NZF MPs seem to me to lean right (Shane Jones & possibly Ron Mark). Whereas the likes of Tracy Martin always seem to me to be very like some Labour MPs.

  10. Sparky 10

    A lot of us have mixed feelings too. I had hoped to see the Greens get a bigger slice of the vote and Labour support shrink. Especially given the latter’s mostly uncommitted stance on the TPPA. Good to see the Greens and NZF as potential partners as there is no doubt where they stand.

    • red-blooded 10.1

      Sparky, you must be pretty much the only person who has no doubts where NZF stands! After all, if they are so anti the TPPA, then there’s no chance they’ll buddy up with the Nats. And yet..?

    • Sabine 10.2

      i would assume that many that usually vote Greens might have given their party votes to Labour just to assure it a greater slice of the cake. It would not be the first time this happened, it did under Clark – i think it was the third term?

      • I definitely ran into this doing a lot of volunteer campaigning for the Greens. It is a sad misunderstanding of MMP and it was relatively easy to talk genuine supporters out of that behaviour, but some people “went back to the mothership” for more nebulous reasons. It’s reasonably likely that most of the Greens’ loss of fortune was actually due to this effect, not the party’s recent internal struggles, but We’ll Never Know™ because there’s very little polling info separating them out.

  11. Stuart Munro 11

    The challenge, it seems to me, is not so much how to cobble a coalition together, but how to optimize it so that it works strenuously to reverse the long decades of massive governmental underperformance.

    I hope Labour is relatively generous with ministerial and associate positions, for several reasons. It will make the coalition more stable. It will improve the talent coverage of some ministries. And there is by golly a lot of work to be done – sharing the load will in some areas be prudent.

  12. tracey 12

    If the 11000 who signed that petition had voted Green how much, if any, would Green vote share percentage shift?

    • Craig H 12.1

      About 0.5% or so.

    • If they were Green voters and wanted to influence the coalition decisions maybe they should have joined the party and been part of discussions. It is a democratically run party and if the bluegreens really care about the environment but want a future National-Green coalition we are open to their ideas, so long as they support the party’s fundamental values.

  13. Carolyn_nth 13

    James Shaw categorically rules out going into government with the Nats – he says it’s all boring noise & his job is to try to form a government with Labour.

    RNZ reports a couple of minutes ago:

    But Mr Shaw said that speculation was getting a bit boring.

    “Our job is to form a government with the Labour Party, that’s what I said on election night, that’s what I campaigned on for the last 18 months and that’s what we are busy working on.

    “I said on election night that I think the numbers are there for a new government and that’s what we are working on, so everything else frankly is noise and no signal.”

    Mr Shaw said talk of a ‘Teal Deal’ is all being fed through proxies and is all PR and fluff, saying there was no substance to it.

    Asked whether he believed it was a paid campaign to promote the idea of a National-Greens deal, Mr Shaw said he did not know, and he did not care.

    “I’m busy trying to form a government with the Labour Party and presumably with New Zealand First as well, and I said on election night if Bill [English] wants to call, I’m happy to take the call and to have a conversation with him, but he hasn’t called, so as far as I’m concerned, everything else is pure speculation.”

    • red-blooded 13.1

      Well said by Shaw. He’s worked helluva hard and strikes me as someone with firm convictions, strong leaderships skills and a well-developed team ethos. He and Ardern both impress as the right people to be handling this situation and trying to make things work both for their respective parties and for the benefit of NZ.

      • AB 13.1.1

        Yep – Shaw and Ardern seem like real NZers – actually I could imagine BM having a beer with them.

        • Wayne_2 13.1.1.1

          They should make Shaw PM, and Ardern can stay at her lets save the world lets save the kids and cry on TV minister of altruism or whatever, and carry on cultivating her fan base of kindergarten and primary school children.

          Shaw has actually worked in real jobs and had a successful career pre-politics. Ardern has not.

          Little was a better leader and did far more for Labour than Ardern ever will. Ardern was put in just to attract the thickest 10% of the population into voting for labour. It was an appeal to the lowest common denominator who identify with her because she is one of them

          • Matthew Whitehead 13.1.1.1.1

            Sure, before going into Parliament Shaw has had a pretty successful career. But Ardern has been immersed in politics her entire life. Neither approach is more valid than the other, but all governments need both types of people, IMO.

            • Wayne_2 13.1.1.1.1.1

              That’s complete and utter BS. Immersed in politics? Immersed in self-promotion you mean —its all about promoting herself as a ‘nice’ person.

              Ardern has 9 years of parliamentary experience.
              So what? Someone with experience in the real world and perhaps a year or two of parliamentary experience easily trumps 9 years of being a lazy and ineffectual MP – only thing she is not lazy at is self promotion

  14. Wayne_2 14

    Ardern is a lightweight. Cliches and platitudes and completely devoid of any substance. A simple minded, naive schoolgirl.

    Compared with Kirk, Lange, Palmer, Clark, how far have Labour fallen.

    • Ed 14.1

      Who did you vote for?

    • Ma Rohemo 14.2

      That second to last paragraph is the most cliche riddled that I have read since Ardern took over.

    • Robert Guyton 14.3

      Wayne_2 is a lightweight. Cliches and platitudes and completely devoid of any substance. A simple minded, naive troll.
      I don’t find your comments to be genuine, Wayne_2.
      2 ticks Green?
      I doubt it.

      • Ed 14.3.1

        The two tick green claim seems at odds with much she/he posts here…..

      • Wayne_2 14.3.2

        Only because I want National out. I could not bear to vote Labour under such a skank, so voted Green.

        I realise this will help her become PM, but am confident her weaknesses will show sooner or later, and she will be rolled by Robertson, Parker, or even Twyford.

        • Stuart Munro 14.3.2.1

          You seem to be confused – only the other day you were giving the Gnats a B+.

          Jacinda is new to the role certainly, but she is a skilled communicator. She might do very well, especially with a bit of wily support from Winston, the Green’s research skills, and the institutional heft of old Labour.

          Let’s not count her out just yet – it’s not hard to be better than the outgoing government.

        • tracey 14.3.2.2

          Anyone but a woman ay Wayne 2.

    • AB 14.4

      “Ardern is a lightweight. Cliches and platitudes and completely devoid of any substance. A simple minded, naive schoolgirl.”
      That was John Key – you should have gone to Specsavers eh?

      • Wayne_2 14.4.1

        Agreed, John Key was a detestable knob, and his son Max is even worse.

        Key made his money purely through speculation, not from doing anything productive for society. His bloodlines no doubt helped him get ahead in the banking financial and world.

        • tracey 14.4.1.1

          Sexism followed by anti semitism. What a charmingg piece of work you are.

          • Stuart Munro 14.4.1.1.1

            And he still got it wrong. Max is a mere young entitled lout – he never ripped off the people he was paid and sworn to defend.

    • tracey 14.5

      Could you take your thinly veiled sexism and pop it up your arse with your head? TIA

  15. Ma Rohemo 15

    I did mean Wayne-2’s opening paragraph #14

  16. Stuart Munro 16

    Had he claimed to be a TOP supporter no-one would’ve been particularly surprised.

    • NewsFlash 16.1

      Wayne 2 is a Nat nut, just pushing another angle of the G/Nat combo, remember, National will sink to any depth to retain power, and atm, they’ve pushed the panic button.

      • Wayne_2 16.1.1

        Are you saying that all Green or left voters have to conform to a stereotype, a cookie cutter template?

        • Hanswurst 16.1.1.1

          No, I think they’re identifying you as conforming to a fairly obvious troll stereotype with your unsubtle baiting via misogyny and anti-Semitism.

        • tracey 16.1.1.2

          No but you are the first sexist, anti semetic green supporter I have ever encountrred.

          • tracey 16.1.1.2.1

            Snap

          • alwyn 16.1.1.2.2

            ” I have ever encountrred.”.
            Really? You must have led a very sheltered life.
            On second thought I have met quite a number who were anti-Semitic but they weren’t sexist as well.
            Mostly these people rail against the Rothschild family and how they rule the world.

            • tracey 16.1.1.2.2.1

              Perhaps it is just that I am mostly surrounded by National supporters who are the first in spades and the second when drunk.

        • Stuart Munro 16.1.1.3

          Holy smokes he’s tumbled us! Quick, hide the cloning vats…

        • NewsFlash 16.1.1.4

          No, I’m saying you fit the “cookie cutter template” of a NAt nut, had you actually criticized National for being the party YOU don’t support, I might have believed you, But, you didn’t, did you………..

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    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    5 days ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    5 days ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    5 days ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    5 days ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    5 days ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    5 days ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    6 days ago
  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
    Hi there, just call me Tim.We face tough problems, and I’d like to help, because there are solutions.An Auckand District Health Board member has nominated me for as a candidate for the ADHB, because her MS-related pain and fatigue is reduced with hemp products from Rotorua.  Nothing else helped her. If I ...
    6 days ago
  • Good little vassals
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
    6 days ago
  • The Politics of Opposition
    For most of the time I was a British MP, my party was out of government – these were the Thatcher years, when it was hard for anyone else to get a look-in. As a front-bencher and shadow minister, I became familiar with the strategies required in a parliamentary democracy ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    6 days ago
  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
    1 week ago
  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh On August 29th a video in which veteran FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) commander Iván Márquez announced that they had taken up arms again was released. There was no delay in the reaction to it, from longtime Liberal Party figure and former president Uribe, for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
    Air New Zealand couldn’t believe its luck that this seemingly ideal piece of real estate had so far gone entirely unnoticed. Air New Zealand’s search for a site to build a second Auckland Airport may have made a breakthrough this afternoon, after employees scanning Google satellite imagery spotted a huge, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Labour’s failure
    When National was in government and fucking over the poor for the benefit of the rich, foodbanks were a growth industry. And now Labour is in charge, nothing has changed: A huge demand for emergency food parcels means the Auckland City Mission is struggling to prepare for the impending arrival ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
    Gayford, pictured here on The Project, before things got wildly out of control. A bold public relations move by the Government to encourage parents to vaccinate their children has gone horribly wrong. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern appeared on tonight’s episode of Three’s The Project, where the plan was for her ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Cleaning up the water
    Today the government released its Action Plan for Healthy Waterways, aimed at cleaning up our lakes and rivers. Its actually quite good. There will be protection for wetlands, better standards for swimming spots, a requirement for continuous improvement, and better standards for wastewater and stormwater. But most importantly, there's a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
    Anti-fluoride activists have some wealthy backers – they are erecting billboards misrepresenting the Canadian study on many New Zealand cities – and local authorities are ordering their removal because of their scaremongering. Many New Zealanders ...
    1 week ago
  • Democracy – I Don’t Think So
    So, those who “know best” have again done their worst. While constantly claiming to be the guardians of democracy and the constitution, and respecters of the 2016 referendum result, diehard Remainers (who have never brought themselves to believe that their advice could have been rejected) have striven might and main ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • Government says it will now build just one really nice home
    Following publication of this article, the Ministry has requested it to be noted that this supplied image is not necessarily representative of what the final house will look like, and it “probably won’t be that nice.” As part of today’s long-anticipated reset of the Government’s flagship KiwiBuild policy, Housing Minister ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Imperialism and your cup of coffee
    Over the next week or two we will be running three synopses of parts of the opening chapter of John Smith’s Imperialism in the 21st Century (New York, Monthly Review Press, 2016).  The synopsis and commentary below is written by Phil Duncan. Marx began Capital not with a sweeping historical ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Still juking the stats
    The State Services Commission and Ombudsman have released another batch of OIA statistics, covering the last six months. Request volumes are up, and the core public service is generally handling them within the legal timeframe, though this may be because they've learned to extend rather than just ignore things. And ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Hard News: Time for a New Deal: 25 years on
    In 1994, I was editing an ambitious street mag called Planet, from a fabled office at at 309 Karangahape Road. The thirteenth issue of the magazine was published in the winter of that year and its cover embodied a particularly ambitious goal: the end of cannabis prohibition.I wanted to do ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Not impressed
    KiwiBuild was one of the Ardern government's core policies. The government would end the housing crisis and make housing affordable again by building 100,000 new homes. Of course, it didn't work out like that: targets weren't met, the houses they did build were in the wrong place, and the whole ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Solar beats coal
    As the climate crisis escalates, it is now obvious that we need to radically decarbonise our economy. The good news is that its looking easy and profitable for the energy sector. Wind is already cheaper than fossil fuels, and now solar is too:The levellised cost of solar PV has fallen ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • A Step Too Far.
    A Crown Asset? For reasons relating to its own political convenience, the Crown pretends to believe that “No one owns the water.” To say otherwise would re-vivify the promises contained in the Treaty of Waitangi – most particularly those pertaining to the power of the chiefs and their proprietary rights ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Where Money Comes From
    Most people would say, no doubt, that they have a pretty good idea of what money is. They live with the reality of money every day. It is what is needed to buy the necessities of life and to maintain a decent standard of living. You get money, they would ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Banned by the Green Party leadership: Jill Abigail on women’s rights and trans rights
    The article below was an opinion piece that appeared in the Spring 2019 issue of Te Awa (the NZ Green Party’s newsletter) and on the Greens website.  In keeping with their policy of hostility to women defending women’s right to female-only spaces, Green bureaucrats have since removed the opinion piece.  ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The fallacy of the proximity argument.
    Longer term readers may remember my complaining that, as a political scientist, it is burdensome to have non-political scientists wanting to engage me about politics. No layperson would think to approach an astrophysicist and lecture him/her on the finer details of quarks and black holes, but everybody with an opinion ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago
  • Where We Stood: Chris Trotter Replies To Stevan Eldred-Grigg.
    Joining The Fight: Stevan Eldred-Grigg's argument for New Zealand staying out of the Second World War fails not only on the hard-headed grounds of preserving the country’s strategic and economic interests; and not just on the soft-hearted grounds of duty and loyalty to the nation that had given New Zealand ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Universities back the climate strike
    On September 27, School Strike 4 Climate will be striking for a future to pressure the government for meaningful climate action. This time, they've asked adults to join them. And now, Lincoln University and Victoria University of Wellington have signed on:Victoria University of Wellington has joined Lincoln University in endorsing ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Another constitutional outrage
    Another day, another constitutional outrage in the UK. This time, the government is saying that if parliament passes a law to stop Brexit before being prorogued, they may just ignore it:A senior cabinet minister has suggested Boris Johnson could defy legislation to prevent a no-deal Brexit if it is forced ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Ending dairy in Canterbury
    Environment Canterbury has finally proposed nitrogen limits to stop dairy farmers from poisoning Christchurch's water supply. And naturally, farmers are whining about it:A proposed move by Environment Canterbury (ECan) to protect Christchurch's drinking water by setting tough – some would say, draconian – nitrate reductions in the decades ahead and ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Is National the party of climate arson?
    The Zero Carbon Bill is currently before select committee. While its targets are weak, its a generally sensible bill that promises to establish a long-term framework to guide emissions reductions. But National hasn't made up its mind on whether it will support it - and according to Andrea Vance in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Experts warn Harold the Giraffe “well past” typical giraffe life expectancy, may not have long
    Dum-de-doo. Children across New Zealand have known him for generations as the lovable giraffe who tells them to exercise, hydrate and not to shove lit cigarettes up their nostrils. But a world renowned giraffe expert says we shouldn’t be getting attached to Life Education’s Harold the Giraffe, as he is ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • August ’19 – NZ blogs sitemeter ranking
    Image credit: 22 BLOGGERS WITH ADVICE FOR RESEARCHERS AND EVALUATORS, ILLUSTRATED I notice a few regulars no longer allow public access to the site counters. This may happen accidentally when the blog format is altered. If your ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Bye, bye to the collusion lie
    Sums it up, really. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Opinion: Treat your car by buying extra petrol to snack on while you aren’t driving
    By Mike Hosking. Yesterday morning, I waltzed into work, and as I walked past the drones aggressively typing out news on the computers I’ve repeatedly asked to be moved further away from, I caught a glimpse of the words “climate change”, and noticed that suspiciously they weren’t in condescending quotation ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago

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