Link that was requested (despite the fact the quotes were all cited by page number and document) https://www.nzcpr.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/He-Puapua.pdf [moderation isn't a pick n mix. We require links for good reasons (in this case, people reading ...
It would depend on what the changes were that were proposed. And it is unlikely that the wider public will be given the opportunity to make such a vote....as it is unlikely the public will have input into what is being discussed, unfortunately.
Bugs me too....it costs less to get a container from Shanghai to Auckland than it does for the same container from Auckland to Christchurch...go figure.
"Remember what happened when we were having an open and democratic debate on whether to switch to MMP? The powerholders in society that didn't want MMP threw shitloads of money at stopping it." And yet we have MMP "You also appear to be doubting that ACT ...
The transport industry will always be subsidised one way or another....if the RUC for heavy transport increases then those costs will be passed on into higher consumer prices. RUC and scale may go a long way to explaining why transport costs are so high in...
Chancing their arms there...the penalty for unpaid RUC is the back RUC and 3 times for non payment...nevermind the fines for no WOF or Reg. Of course there is a cohort that worry not about fines no matter the system.
Response to mod note "There is much room for improvement in the kāwanatanga sphere, as Māori remain a minority with their rights vulnerable to the majority and face disproportionate socio-economic disparities." vi exectutive summary HePuapua report "As the...
What the authors of He Puapua are saying is democracy is dead in NZ (assuming their proposal is enacted).....whether thats what the majority of Maori are saying is yet to be determined. Then theres the not insignificant issue of how the other 84% of the ...
"The Western mind, as typified by Seymour et al. cannot square circles. Indigenous cultures can and do.." If that is true then they are doing a poor job of it, or keeping it to themselves. Id suggest the former as that is pretty much the admission of the ...
@Robert Did I find He Puapua difficult to understand? Not at all Robert, it is quite clear in its proposals including the fact that they are to be developed as they progress, or after the fact and by Maori . The funding mechanism is also clear but not the ...
@ pb "This idea that keeps being trotted out that ‘no one knows what it means’ is simply untrue. It’s just a tactic to reexamine the Treaty to get to the space that each person or group using it wants to get to." By all means explain it then....because if ...
A selective quote?....The Maori King is at odds with the Waitangi Tribunal over Treaty Principles and you contend there is common understanding? This is the the governance and constitution of the country we are talking about....and why some may think it ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principles_of_the_Treaty_of_Waitangi "He didn’t make specific references to any proposed legislation but did indicate his strong condemnation for the Treaty Principles Bill, created by Act and agreed to in its coalition with ...
Confidence in the strength of an argument Robert....I believe Mickey is a lawyer. Devious players have been with us since time immemorial and power never voluntarily abdicates but we persist or we would never have made the progress we have. Embrace the ...
Yes, like a Treaty Robert....we have one from 180 years ago that no one seems to be able to agree what it means exactly other than it hasnt been adhered to all those years so now would be a good time to clarify that , especially if it is to be the basis of...
If you are so confident of your position then you should welcome the opportunity to put your case before the public....if Act (Seymour) is so blatantly racist and the clarification of the ToW role in 21st century NZ is crucial to the future of this country...
And it continues to progress Robert
"which problem are you talking about.' The problem of differing expectations of the ToW 'No, they don't. They're already in power, they have the majority in parliament, they can essentially do what they want for the next three years." Are the Government ...
Good....thats one group that have, only a multitude to go....and then there needs to be an agreement.
"..and all are preferable to extermination, imho." Well at least on that we can agree
That is the nature of politics....the problem dosnt disappear if we pretend it dosnt exist. Fortunately we live in a democracy so those with power still have to convince the majority of the benefits of their position....remembering that without the ...
Who were having those conversations Robert? Id suggest to you that you would be hard pressed to find 2 people who agree how the ToW is to be applied in 2024....indeed the previous Government appeared unable/unwilling to even explain co governance to the ...
As noted...the alternative to 'surrender ' ( negotiated cessation) is conflict until one side ceases to be. Which do you prefer?
You are obviously in the hate em camp Robert...as is your right. You cannot deny however the conversation has begun.
Some end with conditions imposed by the 'victors'....that could be described as a monologue perhaps...however for the cessation of hostilities there must be an agreement, whether that agreement is 'equitable' is not a requirement. The alternative is ...
Certainly not...the dialogue should be between everybody....the wider the discussion the better.
Love em or hate them one thing Act have done is forced a conversation about how ToW fits in 21st century NZ....as I have said before, this conversation was inevitable at some point due to future governance, constitutional decisions. Another outcome will be...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_are_either_with_us,_or_against_us. In an increasingly polarised world the solutions are not to be found in entrenched positions....all wars end with dialogue.
A second piece advocating 'localism' (subsidiarity) as opposed to centralisation for the day. (the first being..https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/the-prime-ministers-biggest-challenge) Brendon Harre "Left-wing progressives should relearn the lesson that has...
Good grief...tangent upon tangent
????....how is Brian Easton responsible for any of that?
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