"Even that chickenshit version is still inconsistent with your comments that benefits must be conditional." No, but I'm not surprised you don;t understand the argument. "oh, and… pounds? Remember which country’s homeless you’re pretending to be caring ...
"The fact that the law breaches the Bill of Rights means they do so every day." You're backtracking faster than McFlock today. I'll let it slide.
"The sneered at (by the right) ” 19th century” technology will get the last laugh, I suspect. " HEV's (Heavy Electric Vehicles) are already in production, capable of hauling 40 foot containers, and some.
"I don’t know about you, but I’ve been asked to break the law a couple of times in my working life. On both occasions it (my flat refusal to comply) was a learning experience for my employer." You have no evidence whatsoever WINZ staff knowingly broke the ...
"It’s about the work tests that WINZ administer and it isn’t about them?" Before you waste any more of my time, read the thread. The conversation is about treatment by WINZ. WINZ staff administer the law. The law was at fault, but they were not to know ...
“Exactly.” Mmmm…sounds like a backtrack to me. I'll let it slide, I'm in a charitable mood. “lucky I’m not doing that.” That’s exactly what you’re doing. “So you think that the benefits that must be conditional might possibly (but not committing to a ...
"Depressingly easy." Third stuff up for you today. This discussion is about WINZ. Your reference isn't. It refers to unintended legislative consequence, which was quickly remedied, btw. "Mr Finlayson finds the discrimination cannot be justified under ...
Read Chris's post below. It includes a quote from Katipo's own link.
...and you still haven't admitted you screwed up on the GINI comparisons. You really are having a bad day.
"You’re posting cherrypicked data ..." You're just parroting talking points to use when proven wrong. There is no cherry picking. I am quoting directly from the MSD report.
"Oops wrong quote: that’s Bernard Hickey’s summary at Newsroom." Right, so you lied and then slagged off people with disabilities to have a crack at me for catching you out.
"As previously noted, straight after that it says..." The reference I quoted is at the end of a section, at the top of page 3 of the reference document from MY source. That does not contradict me, it supports me. Now where is the wording you are quoting? ...
“Firstly, I never said observations about an individual case “cannot” be similar to the aggregate level, I merely said you can feel free to show that relationship on the aggregate level.” Your wrong. In response to my comment “Household incomes, but ...
I'm posting data from an MSD report. If you think the data is wrong, prove it. Denying it is just delusional.
"As previously noted, your MSD source also says..." "AHC income inequality was also a little higher from 2011 to 2016 compared with the mid 2000s and earlier." https://www.msd.govt.nz/documents/about-msd-and-our-work/publications-resources/monitoring/...
“Savings from previous incomes can compensate for lower present incomes, and near future incomes can forestall bankruptcy and even enable access to credit today.” Not if there aren’t any savings! You’re position that an individual example cannot extend to ...
"Basically, you are quoting BHC – Before Housing Costs are deducted. The major divide/inequality shows AHC – After Housing Costs are deducted." Rubbish. I quote "AHC income inequality was also a little higher from 2011 to 2016 compared with the mid 2000s ...
"Basically, you are quoting BHC – Before Housing Costs are deducted. The major divide/inequality shows AHC – After Housing Costs are deducted." Rubbish. I quote "AHC income inequality was also a little higher from 2011 to 2016 compared with the mid 2000s ...
Rubbish. The report is absolutely clear. It rubbishes the false rhetoric you've been running, so you don't like it. Own up.
So you don't like the result, and therefore you accuse the MSD report of being "ideologically biased and flawed"? Yet you fail to support that assertion.
“GINI in the 80’s: less than 2.5 GINI today: more than 3. QED.” “The Gini measure of inequality is a popular one but, because it uses information on all household incomes, it is susceptible to showing large fluctuations because of sampling issues for very ...
"So, we have established that you are utterly unconcerned by fraud,..." No, what we have established is that I am utterly concerned with actual evidence. You know, like we have for Metiria's fraud, the illegal behaviour you are defending.
“Well, simple, anyway. Even naive. But logical?” Yes. You’re inability to understand it notwithstanding. “Yup. Like I said, it’s irrelevant.” Not to homelessness, no. Household incomes, but natural extension, must effect future homelessness. “And next you’...
"On an individual level? Maybe, sure." Indeed. "On an aggregate level? Feel free to show a relationship between household incomes and contemporary levels of homelessness. " If it works on an individual level, then it will work on an aggregate level. It's ...
"And you think He might have mounted a campaign of denigration against Metiria, as you have done?" What campaign? I am simply repeating what is in the public domain. And there is much in the public domain that I have chosen not to mention that makes this ...
So you trust a self confessed fraudster and liar? Then enjoy her company.
"Explain how my point failed please." Easy. You used an measure I showed to be inadequate. As it was moved to OM, I will repost (with source): There is no evidence of any sustained rising or falling trend in BHC household income inequality over the last ...
"Compare and contrast these two statements/..." Indeed. Scrutiny f an issue seems to be the best evidence of any wrongdoing presented so far. If that satisfies your burden of proof, well you're seriously lacking in intelligence.
And yet the MSD data shows: "Strong real income growth for most income groups from HES 2008-09 to HES 2015-16 …" "There is no evidence of any sustained rising or falling trend in BHC household income inequality over the last two decades using the Gini and ...
You make some good points. However Metiria only has herself to blame for the distraction from policy.
"that would be effectively “no” then." It is a yes. http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/06/live-updates-todd-barclay-recording-scandal.html.
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