I hear what your saying re reviews but does the trauma/extent of the defeat change that? I'm guessing you think not. But if it holds that we needed to move forward instantly I still don't think it's unreasonable to expect that Cunliffe's decision making/...
Hyperbole from me yes, but that's how I read a lot of the support for Cunliffe. Claims about a lack of support are unsubstantiated beyond someone told me etc, at least in a forum like this, and are countered by equally unsubstantiated claims that Cunliffe ...
I agree that things needed to calmly allow to settle but Cunliffe's actions didn't allow that because they were seen as a maneuver. The only thing he was meant to do was be gracious and say that we need reflect on what the electorate has told us. Instead ...
He didn't compare with Kirk, he said since Kirk. The difference being that it's comparing with Rowling, Lange, Moore, Clark, and Cunliffe.
Cunliffe launching his bid to be re-elected in his concession speech. Cunliffe writing a letter the night of the election loss and sending it out to members. Cunliffe initially refusing to accept responsibility. Cunliffe trying to belittle Parker in front ...
Cunliffe's post election behavior was a tragedy. People need to get over believing that he is the messiah. Going into the last leadership contest the concern about Cunliffe was that despite his ability and intellect his lack of judgment could make things ...
Oh dear you are a little worked up aren't you. I am flattered by the attention. I hope you had time to put the kids to bed. Still a little disappointed though over the cherry picking of quotes without response to the wider argument, especially when sharing...
David Cunliffe would embarrass overseas just as he has embarrassed Labour in the last 2 weeks. He is not the messiah he's a very naughty boy.
I'm sure there's some wit in there somewhere but I just can't find it....clearly my failing not yours. Of course you could just offer what it is that I said you find vermin-like.
I'll offer something for you. Cunliffe's tanked it post election (and just wasn't good enough pre either). The biggest indictment is losing the confidence of David Parker. An alternative must be found. Grant's no guarantee of success and understand why ...
Cunliffe tried to roll Shearerbefore that - Mackay was running the numbers for him but when he came up short he pleaded, "who me? no you're mistaken." That's when Hipkins slapped him down in public.
I think the line often goes, "other people won't vote for a gay PM", as in, it's not me but the rest of the country. I think though that NZers are pretty fair, and recognise bs pretty quickly, and would recognise any prejudicial opposition arguments as ...
"necessary but not sufficient" is a good way of putting it. With a good election night speech and the right humility afterwards Cunliffe could've held the leadership. Not now.
I'm reasonably certain that this is a public forum for opinion. Opinion is what forms perception, perception is reality hence the reality of the election result based on the perception Labour were too far left and did not represent middle New Zealand etc ...
I haevn't either, but I have read it in plenty of places that you should resign when you handle the result as poorly as he has, and when your own colleagues, those who know you best and whose support you need, think so little of your ability to lead.
She attacked him, and he directed the reply not at her but him. Still not flash, but Cunliffe is all over the place and has become a menace. The arguments here fail to acknowledge the damage his actions have caused. Labour needs people to vote for them ...
Lprent, lets not lose sight of the fact that that family membered named Cosgrove in their attack on him. I am not trying to defend Cosgrove, I am attakcing your argument because it is woefully one sided and selective. Where was your defense of Labour MPs ...
Another example of Cunliffe supporters trying to fit the argument to suit their positions. "Nasty and vicious level of attacks on David Cunliffe." Did you see him on Campbell Live and the way he attacked his caucus? Cosgrove could've offered no comment ...
I would agree, but I think the first move in the counter direction as made by Cunliffe on election night and that has forced caucus and Robsertson's hand to prevent something even more damaging. I wanted Cunliffe over Robertson because I though he was the ...
Ambition is a problem when it's partnered, or fueled, with delusion and conceit. And as for Robertson failing miserably last time, isn't that exactly what just happened to Cunliffe?
I saw the reaction of caucus as a whole against David coming not from the result itself but his reaction to the result which was horribly poor. In those moments straight after New Zealanders need to hear that Labour had heard what they were saying and they...
Didn't see Henry but on Campbell live he blamed his caucus and said that some could argue that the election result was a sign that Labour was turning around the decline. More denial, this time bordering on delusion, while the first point is terrible for a ...
Never ending what I’m going down, so no I shouldn't, but what is National Lite? I mean there are many in National that argue they are Labour Lite. I don’t agree but what’s certain is that National can’t unpick Labour policies like Working for Families and ...
Thank you for proving my point. Labour needs to be inviting people in, not trying to shut them out. I would have thought that the line "I am a Labour voter who is interested in being a member..." would be responded with "We're always looking for people to ...
You weren't asking me Tracey but I've voted Labour for all 6 elections of my eligibility. Based on two policies, housing and Capital Gains Taxes, but not based on this party. We must expect that without a mood for change most people will not vote on policy...
And because of that we returned 25% of the vote? Read the result rather than cherry-pick the commentary. The customer isn't dumb. Labour needs to stop thinking they are so that they will want to vote for them.
New Zelnd see this sort of bitterness and are turned off by the Labour Party. It was the Party that was rejected, not the MPs. I mean their actions are motivated by wanting seat in Parliament, something tangible and at risk. Yours just by your desire for ...
I initially thought no to a leader from Wellington, ad I' from Wellington, but everytime Robertson speaks he hits what he's aiming for. Partnered with Ardern and the focus will be on clean politics and would see the electorate being attracted to that. ...
Thank you for proving my point. I mean I see you don't like Labour but again you're more interested hate. I hope it works well for you
Shearer's not going to stand but he is doing the right thing in sacrificing himself to show a more measured, humble side of Labour, sending a message to moderates. Is this what they call a "Stalking Horse"?
Oh dear. You don't get it. Those voted in, you know the Caucus, who you want to attack, were accepted by the electorate, the voters that Labour need voting for them. It was the Labour Party that was rejected. That is they don't support the party movement ...
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