Which hat John?

Written By: - Date published: 7:02 am, March 22nd, 2016 - 42 comments
Categories: Abuse of power, accountability, john key - Tags: , , , ,

Looks like Key’s backdown and payout to Bradley Ambrose over the “teapot tapes” is going to run for a while in the media. This TVNZ piece is a typical summary: John Key paying for teapot tape saga out of taxpayer’s pocket. See also: Why John Key’s backdown on the teapot tapes is a bigger deal than you think. Graeme Edgeler asks: The Teapot Moan Scandal Ends; or Who will Broadcast the Teapot Tape?

Key is obviously on the back foot, his lines are the last refuge of the cornered rat. He doesn’t want to “get into the rights and wrongs” of whether the taxpayer should pay for his settlement. Yeah I bet he doesn’t. It’s “within the rules” he says. Andrea Vance disagrees: “Speaker’s rules show definitively that leaders fund can’t be used for damages or payments used to settle legal action”. Graeme Edgeler isn’t sure. John Drinnan asks: “The police e prosecution. The media raids, The court prosecution. The payout. How much has obsession with Teapot-Tape cost taxpayers?”. Good question.

As is often the case, Winston Peters gets to the nub of the matter. Key was at the teapot meeting with his Leader of National hat on. He’s paying for the legal consequences of his own personal mistakes and obsessions with money that comes to his PM’s hat. Clearly Key is keen on distinguishing between his various hats when he’s trying to dodge responsibility, and just as keen on ignoring the differences if it lets him dip into public money.

42 comments on “Which hat John?”

  1. gsays 1

    What a difference a year makes.
    The tone and directness aga:nst key from our 4th estate is refreshing.

    Also, as a side issue, perhaps this shows that Winston is the real leader of the opposition.

    • roy cartland 1.1

      I’ve been waiting for the worm to turn too – I thought it would happen last term, but for the first time this government, I’m feel in’ it.

    • gez the rev 1.2

      bang on gsays

    • Lanthanide 1.3

      +1

    • aerobubble 1.4

      There is a very good reason for Labour to pay incompetent.

      As for Keys victim play that is now shown up for the self abuse it was.

      Key should pay the compensation, not parliament (not happening as then we’d all know how much). Not the party, since every candidate is likewise tainted, instead of letting democracy debate, the dotcom and now keys of the world distract elections with their fake lies for their own pecular ends. Imagine history writing this era, of politics reduced by politicians to farce, exemplified by Key’s double barrel characteristic of the turd blossom, a fake meeting with a managed crisis that turns the pm into a victim and the media twist and take every turn in the ongoing police raids.

      Key should not only pay the compensation, he should resign in shame that he was so easily caught, how are future cynical politicians going to go to work and pass lies of as truth, when the populsus are so aware of their tricks and so appreciative of their inability to fall in their swords. The nats are going to pay out of the leadership party fud, oh joy, they cant keep the rotting stench of ethical corruption from smearing their whole loo pants party. John Key leader of the wad lad loo party pants.

      NZ party politics is joke when the opposition cant take Key out because the Nats, nasty pooh panty, have stacked media wih yes sir how far do you need us to bend ver for Mr Loo key.

    • mosa 1.5

      Dont get your hopes up
      They didnt bother with Labours work confrence untill much later in the bulletin -TVNZ
      They wont turn on the great Messiah

  2. burt 2

    So if using the leaders budget is against the rules I’m picking that you will be calling for him put parliament into urgency and retrospectively validate his spending. You’ll be claiming it shows strong leadership and that it’s the correct thing to do – surely…

    Or perhaps because he wasn’t warned ( in writing ) that it’s a corrupt practice to use the money for that purpose you might not be so quick to defend him, after all he may have made a mistake rather than a deliberate decision to be corrupt and that wouldn’t be nearly as special as our previous dear leader and therefore worthy of criticism rather than praise.

    • I think anyone with a degree of sense can tell that unlike using the leader’s budget to promote party policies, using the leader’s budget for a payoff related to the PM’s private legal liabilities can’t even be confused for a reasonable use. At least when Clark screwed up, you could arguably see the logic for why they thought they were in the right. Key just doesn’t seem to give a fart about ethics, political convention, or even legality, so long as he thinks he can get away with it.

      edit: To be clear, I agree with you that they shouldn’t have retroactively legalised what they did. But these are very different cases of abusing the leader’s budget in my view.

      • burt 2.1.1

        At least when Clark screwed up, you could arguably see the logic for why they thought they were in the right.

        Yes, they only had a written warning from the Chief Electoral Officer telling them it would be viewed as a corrupt practice. Of course with a written warning prior to the event they thought they were right because they are entitled to do what the hell they want.

        • mickysavage 2.1.1.1

          Ah good old Burt. Can always be trusted to raise the pledge card which was money set aside for Labour to communicate with the electorate and which was used for this actual purpose.

        • aerobubble 2.1.1.2

          So because Key has conceded but no crime was committed, it was all a civil matter, that the party had no hat in, Key has to pay himself. Like a person whose working for a company, slanders a passerby. It was his campaign not the parties.
          His company setup the hustle, hired the situation manager. So i suppose my question is, where is the white line, when does a employee going to far loose the protection of his employer. The truck driver taking drugs to keep his job due to the excessive hours turns into the truckie doing drugs. So for the party to pay out surely they need to show Key was their responsibility, not a MP going on a spendup on the credit card, or hazing a waiter while drunk. Does the National party want the smear that it will raid media without justificatiin just because Key thought he was under attack unfairly. Key will retire sometime, probably soon, the Nats have to ask themselves do they want to be the party of John Keys leavings.

  3. Incognito 3

    I fully expect the Taxpayers’ Union to blast Key for misappropriate use of taxpayers’ money.

  4. grumpystilskin 4

    He was very clearly wearing his national party leader hat so I expect the party needs to cover this one. listen to the audio, link posted in teapot tapes thread.

    • Anne 4.1

      My comment from teapot tapes thread:

      Excerpt from audio link:

      Banks: He’s a horrible fellow, that candidate. Nasty, nasty.
      Key: He is, ooh, nasty. They’re a nasty party in a lot of ways.
      Banks: Yeah, well, you know they’ve been putting stuff in letterboxes about me. Shocking stuff.
      Key: Yes, that’s nasty. That’s what they do, they play the person the whole time. We never do that stuff.

      Talk about projecting their own behaviour on to the Labour Party!

      1) I presume “He” is Michael Wood – thoroughly decent guy… honest, upstanding, intelligent and literate.

      2) The stuff in the letter boxes was someone who did it independently of any political party. Nothing to do with the Labour Party.

      3) Listen to who is talking? John Key has spent 7 years playing the person and not the issues.

      And then of course he chose to believe the recording device was deliberately left there because it was politically advantageous in the middle of an election campaign.

      • Draco T Bastard 4.1.1

        2) The stuff in the letter boxes was someone who did it independently of any political party. Nothing to do with the Labour Party.

        And all it did was quote what John Banks had said. Apparently that’s nasty.

        3) Listen to who is talking? John Key has spent 7 years playing the person and not the issues.

        As I say. The right-wing have to lie because reality doesn’t conform to their delusions.

        • gez the rev 4.1.1.1

          oh yes they live in reality all right, that’s why they lie
          they rip off nzders as they like, because they can, this is reality
          they play the man and woman as they like, because they can, this is reality
          they play dirty politics, because they can, this is reality
          they fuck over anyone who exposes them(nzders), this is reality
          they use the msm to fuck over nzders, this is reality
          they allow mass immigration to line their pockets and fuck over nzders, this is reality
          they allow immigration scams to bring down wages and fuck over nzders , this is reality
          they allow banks to fuck over nzders, this is reality
          they allow housing bubbles to fuck over nzders, this is reality
          they give our(nzders) money away to foreign corporations, this is reality
          they are selling our(nzders) country underneath us, this is reality
          they fucked over the dairy farmers(nzders, most of them) this is reality
          they fuck over chch(more nzders) this is reality
          they fuck over beneficiaries(not all are nzders) this is reality
          they are fucking our health system for nzders, this is reality
          they TRIED to fuck over me and my wife(nzders) , failed thank you
          NZDERS please fucking wake up to your REALITY

          • Mike Bond 4.1.1.1.1

            It is comments like this from gez the rev that turn most honest and decent people away from the left. So glad it makes you feel empowered to see the filth you posted on line.

      • Chuck 4.1.2

        Ambrose accepts it was Key’s genuine belief that he thought the recording device was deliberately left on the table. And Key likewise accepts Ambrose version of events (it was a mistake).

        Key was the defendant in the proceedings, Ambrose did not have to settle and could of stuck to his guns and taken it to court…However Ambrose did the sensible thing in backing down and settling for his current legal costs.

        • the pigman 4.1.2.1

          “Ambrose did the sensible thing in backing down and settling for his current legal costs.

          In better days, someone would have called you up for a link to justify your claim.

          Of course you have no idea what the settlement amount was because it was a confidential settlement.

  5. gez the rev 5

    his little [r0b: deleted – no need for that] firemans helmet, that’s what hat

    • joe90 5.1

      Go fuck your bigoted self, quietly.

      • gez the rev 5.1.1

        yep joe 90, what a fucking hero he is
        working for those bankers in USA, oh yeah who owns them?
        supporting Israel, who the fuck are they
        circumsized penis because of religion
        whos the fucking bigot

        • joe90 5.1.1.1

          Bigot, conspiracy nut, semi-literate cretin, congratulations, you’ve hit the trifecta.

          • gez the rev 5.1.1.1.1

            bigot, cool, if the cap fits I will wear it
            conspiracy nut haha you are joking eh, I live in reality man, travelled and worked a lot of the world, so my eyes are open, seen a lot, especially from the people you say im bigoting
            semi literate … yes, left school at 14 because of my abusive violent father(national voter, cop)no school C, but didn’t stop me from getting good jobs, and now a successful business, raising good kids and getting a lovely wife
            don’t let those three things stop you
            what else ya got
            oh yeah cretin, seems like a quadrella to me, whats it paying?
            well your opinion means jackshit to me bro

    • gez the rev 5.2

      sorry rob

      [Just looked through all of your comments and you really need to tone down the violently toned vitriol if you want to be allowed to continue commenting here] – Bill

      • gez the rev 5.2.1

        I havnt advocated any violence, just telling the truth,
        anyway i will sign off then
        see yas tomorrow

  6. ianmac 6

    Was Key exercising good judgement in having a tea-party?
    Given the recent nit-picking aimed at Andrew, you would think that there would be burst of even handed nit-picking aimed at Key.

  7. Enough is Enough 7

    Key is a brilliant politician. A scoundrel – but brilliant politician.

    He will take the hit on this now rather then let the story run for the next 12 months with negative headlines for him.

    He will take the nasty medicine now and trust the compliant media to forget about it by the easter break (which they will).

    • crashcart 7.1

      It would have been slightly more brilliant to pay for the settlement himself. He would have still worn some flack for the loss but at least it would have removed the attack about who is paying and it’s not like he can’t afford it.

      • Enough is Enough 7.1.1

        Agreed – but as I said he’s a scoundrel.

        He didn’t get rich spending his own money on anything.

      • AB 7.1.2

        True – but wait for the token tut-tutting from the tame media to stop after a short time. Then it will be, “Key’s enduring popularity has allowed him to shrug off the teapot tape issue with no impact”.
        Of course they are complicit in creating that popularity and in ensuring there is no impact. It is a circular, self-reinforcing process that works very well for them.

  8. Jester 8

    I cant see what all the fuss is about. Its not as is there is no previous examples of the use of taxpayer money to settle court cases involving the Prime Minister of the day.

    • gez the rev 8.1

      that’s the bloody problem

    • mickysavage 8.2

      Clark clearly made her comment while acting as PM. And the suit was a nuisance suit. I scratch my head at the agreed level of payout.

      Key here was clearly acting as National leader.

      One other difference. Clark did not go around and terrorise the media immediately after the incident occurred.

  9. aerobubble 9

    When a PR team is bidding for a contract, and in order to gain the contract orcastrate police to raid media and si throwup smoke, and now we find that the parties deem compensation payable, exposing thir how decrepidand torrid campaign

    Shock horror PM wasn’t a victim of media, no he slandered the poor cameraman! Used the police to raid off a misunderstanding of his own mind. Weak and callous, he had Police run around media looking for the tape!!! Thats not their job. Media censureship. Key was wrong to slandar the cameraman but if he hadn’t would Police have looked for the tape. So is that to be the new norm, you have a fear that a tape maybe expose you, though you managed the event invited the press, even invited them to film while lip readers watched, all on the prepostuous notion that all the negoiations had not already happened, that there was nothing to do but be seen together!
    Do police now protect politicians ineptly constructed farces speach. Surely its the prpose of an election to expose politicians to rigious tests, like inapprioate statements less they gain power and expose national security secrets.

    The Police should have stayed out, this was a test of Key’s ability to shutup, and instead he used it to pkay the victim, mess with press freedom. crap on demicracy.

  10. ianmac 10

    Funny timing:
    “Prime Minister John Key will not pay his “teapot tapes” settlement with public money, his office confirmed this afternoon…….
    However, his office said today that after taking advice from Parliamentary Service, this would no longer take place.”

    But: “The legal costs which Mr Key had incurred so far in the case had already come out of his leader’s budget….
    It was not known how much he spent on his legal defence.”
    1000s of thousands? Legally? For a personal Vendetta?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11609923

  11. Chuck 11

    It should come out of the National Party bank account, as Key was there to shore up support for the National Party.

    On a different note: Winston Peters owes John Key an awful lot…after all Winston’s bluster on what was on the tape (reference to degrading the old folk as I recall) propelled Winston back onto the gravy train that is the beehive. Winston does also wear a few different hats, for example when he is collecting donations off wealthy individuals like Owen Glenn.

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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
    When National was in power, they were very keen on Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) - basicly, using private companies to finance public infrastructure as a way of hiding debt from the public. They were keen on using them for everything - roads, schools, hospitals. But as the UK shows, that "service" ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    1 week ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    1 week ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    1 week ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    1 week ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    1 week ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

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