Andrew Little eyes New Plymouth

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1. pete 1

   15 March 2010 at 6:18 pm

   Although Young has been away for 25 years, apparently people still remember him, which should be an advantage for Little.
2. SHG 2

   15 March 2010 at 7:40 pm

   Editorial suggestion: when making comments about David Farrar, speak in the third person. When you slip down the slope from talking about polling, to talking about David Farrar, to bitching about David Farrar, to bitching TO David Farrar, as if he was the only person you intended to read the article… you come off as kinda crazy.
3. Jenny 3

   15 March 2010 at 8:12 pm

   Does this mean that Andrew will stand down as the head of the Engineering Printing and Manufacturing Union?

   If so, who are the likely candidates to replace him?

   If Andrew decides to maintain his post at the EPMU, are there precedents for this from Labour’s history?
4. gingercrush 4

   15 March 2010 at 8:46 pm

   Farrar doesn’t assume all National voters will vote Young. All he does is question whether the National voters that voted for Dunyhoven which was about 13% would vote Little.

   Also no poll that I’ve seen showed National winning the party vote in Mt. Albert . Did any poll show it close either? You love to use Mt. Albert as an example. But doing so is poor since there were unique factors in that by-election. 1. It was a by-election. 2. Melissa Lee was a poor candidate. 3. The party vote for National was always behind Labour. 4. Waterview. 5. Labour ran a much better campaign.

   As for electorate MPs whose political careers are going no where. What does that have to do with anything? Doesn’t stop the likes of Sandra Goudie, Paul Hutchinson, Winnie Laban, Ross Robertson, George Hawkins, Shane Ardern, Lindsay Tisch from getting elected every time.

   Clearly Little has a chance in New Plymouth. Farrar says as much. But there is also a risk in choosing that as your electorate. The risk is he loses. You criticise Farrar on several fronts and for wrong assumptions. But at least he doesn’t bring up bullshit as you do.

   As for your suggestion he should just stand on the list. Any leader with real leadership aspiration wants an electorate seat. Of course its possible for someone to lead one of the major parties and only being a List MP. But there is more credibility given to those MPs who hold an electorate. Hence, why Little will want an electorate to stand for.
   • mickysavage 4.1

     15 March 2010 at 11:40 pm

     Come on GC. With the love in that the polls are showing for Key/National Mt Albert ought to have been a breeze. There should be very few seats that Labour would win, Mangere, Manukau East and bugger all else.

     The result shows that kiwis are not nodding automatons lining up in the booth for one party or the other.

     It also shows that on the ground activity is really, really, really important. The nats did none of this because their activist base is depleted. Labour did heaps of this because they have a dedicated group of people who want to get engaged in political activity.

     The nats were nowhere to be seen, even after 8 months of their rule.

     Things can change really quickly …
   • lprent 4.2

     16 March 2010 at 1:33 am

     Any leader with real leadership aspiration wants an electorate seat. Of course its possible for someone to lead one of the major parties and only being a List MP. But there is more credibility given to those MPs who hold an electorate. Hence, why Little will want an electorate to stand for.

     Is that a requiem for Don Brash, leader of the National party?
5. The Voice of Reason 5

   15 March 2010 at 8:56 pm

   I believe Little has already confirmed that he would quit if elected, Jenny. He certainly couldn’t do both jobs, though if you were to check the history books, there’d probably be Labour MPs back in the thirties who held union posts as well. His Labour party presidency is part-time, but I reckon pretty time consuming for all that.

   As for candidates for the Union job, most recent EPMU (and EU before that) leaders have come from within the organisation.
   • Jenny 5.1

     16 March 2010 at 8:48 pm

     Thanks for that VOR.

     You say that Andrew Little has “already confirmed that he would quit if elected”.

     I imagine Andrew Little would be put pretty high up the Labour list, so that even if he lost the New Plymouth seat, his position in parliament is guaranteed, ergo his resignation from the union leadership is guaranteed too.

     Why, if it was acceptable for union leaders to be MPs in the 30’s, it is not acceptable now?

     Is it against parliamentary rules or Labour Party rules, or what?

     Is it really a matter of workload, or are union leaders no longer PC in the modern Labour Party?

     Personally I would have thought, that for the 50,000 EPMU members to have their leader representing them in Parliament would be a good thing?
     • The Voice of Reason 5.1.1

       16 March 2010 at 9:57 pm

       Most union leaders in the thirties were still waged workers, not the fulltime professionals of today. The workloads of modern MP’s and union officials are completely incompatible. Also true, for the most part, of businesses MP’s might run prior to election.

       I reckon he’ll make a great MP, certainly compared to the one termer currently in situ.
       • Jenny 5.1.1.1

         16 March 2010 at 10:52 pm

         Hi VOR, your comment that, “Most union leaders in the thirties were still waged workers, not the fulltime professionals of today.” hides a contradiction.

         That these past union leaders were able to lead unions while continuing in full time jobs wasn’t any problem for them.

         On being elected; that they were then able to continue their union role as an MP would have been a doddle by comparison.

         I, probably like a lot of other people, are not convinced that MP’s workloads are as hard as, or as time consuming as the average low paid labourer, cleaner, factory hand or office worker, in fact compared to most people in work, they get a good deal, as well as long holidays they get to set their own hours and choose their days to go into the office, and even receive exemptions from parliamentary debates if they request them.

         However going on past records of ex union officials that have become MPs (except for a very few notable exceptions), I am inclined to agree with your second statement that, “The workloads of modern MP’s and union officials are completely incompatible.” In that on becoming MPs and abandoning their posts, they quickly forgot their union roots.

         Maybe if instead of just using the union movement as a stepping stone into parliament, and abandoning their posts on becoming elected. That instead they had maintained their positions, maybe it would have kept them more grounded.
         • The Voice of Reason 5.1.1.1.1

           16 March 2010 at 11:18 pm

           But don’t the members of the EPMU deserve a fulltime secretary? And how could any MP fully do justice to that job and hold down another position fulltime? Both jobs have changed out of all recognition from the thirties. The point I was making is that there is no real comparison between then and now. And I believe all but the worst of MP’s do actually work hard and anti-socially long hours too. It really is a prick of a job, despite the benefits.
           • Jenny 5.1.1.1.1.1

             17 March 2010 at 12:25 am

             The point I was making is that it would be a real poke in the eye of the right if he announced that he would maintain his post at the head of the EPMU. Such a move would really nail his colours to the mast as standing for working people.

             It would certainly be a point of difference between Andrew and every other MP in the house as being for working people.

             I would just love to see the contortions of the right trying to claim that there is a conflict of interest between being a Labour MP and a union leader. when so many of them hold interests in business.

             After all promoting the special interests of working people in parliament is what the Labour Party was founded to do.

             In practical terms it would mean that he would have to give up his union salary and probably a some if not most of of his day to day union responsibilities would have to be delegated, but this would not stop him giving a lead in union campaigns of the day, using the pulpit of parliament to do it, would make his leadership of the union more effective.

             And, if for nothing else except bringing prestige and acceptability of the EPMU to a wider audience, maybe it is nott too far fetched, a concept to explore.

             An intriguing possibility at very least.
6. Ms X 6

   16 March 2010 at 9:18 am

   It’s not a given that he would run – and if Duynhoven were to stand again, there is a good chance he could get back in, as there have been similar glitches before. I do hate newspapers peddling “news” that is only speculation and what if’s.
7. randal 7

   16 March 2010 at 10:53 am

   I think Andrew Little would be a great parliamentary representative for the people of New Plymouth.
   He is honest and forthright and knows how to deal with all the myriad problems that beset people in all walks of life.
   In fact he would be a wonderful mp for any electorate.
8. Zaphod Beeblebrox 8

   16 March 2010 at 1:34 pm

   I disagree about leaders having to have electorates. Out here in west Auckland, Key is the member and has hardly been seen since the election. Living in Parnell, I guess its not on the way to the airport. I’m really struggling to think of anything he has done for Helensville. Similarly English should have gone on the list years ago- he doesn’t live in Southland, hasn’t for years and has other priorities. It would be much more honest of them to admit they can’t be an effective member (and they don’t want to live there) and let someone else have a go. Cullen never had an electorate, never stopped him doing his job.
   • lprent 8.1

     16 March 2010 at 1:42 pm

     Cullen did have an electorate – one of the Dunedin ones. But as he had less and less time available to be in Dunedin, so he shifted to the list…
     • Zaphod Beeblebrox 8.1.1

       16 March 2010 at 2:54 pm

       My apologies for the omission. Perhaps the current Finance Minister could accept the inevitable and follow Cullen’s example. He could have saved himself a lot of grief had he done so previously.
       • Jenny 8.1.1.1

         16 March 2010 at 10:07 pm

         Yeah ZB, but then he wouldn’t be able to plunder the parliamentary accommodation grant.
     • Bright Red 8.1.2

       16 March 2010 at 2:58 pm

       St Kilda.

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